What may be best is for several of us to discuss/decide off-list and present
our recommendation to Bill; perhaps myself, Terry, Jones and Robin. I would
include Horace as well, but he has more serious challenges in his life at
the moment. or we can ask Bill to give us that authority should he not
Jones and Robin are acceptable to me, though Terry seems to involve himself in
too much off-topic noise. If we can get an agreement from Jed and SVJ to honor
the decision of Mark, Jones and Robin, that would be acceptable to me.
Their job would be to monitor and moderate all off-topic posts as
Jones and Robin are acceptable to me, though Terry seems to involve himself in
too much off-topic noise. If we can get an agreement from Jed and SVJ to honor
the decision of Mark, Jones and Robin, that would be acceptable to me.
Their job would be to monitor and moderate all off-topic posts as
Dave:
Thanks for your rational comments on the issue.
One other thing. this forum is NOT only for discussions about LENR, although
for obvious reasons it has, up until a few weeks ago, been the main topic of
discussion. As explained in the forum's website, it's main purpose is for
discussing
Fair enough. I will abide by your suggestion.
In return, I want 2 things from you.
1. I need you to call for the termination of excessive off-topic posts. I
will leave it to your judgement what constitutes excessive off-topic posts.
2. I need you to call for the termination of insults and
I have developed an inferiority complex due
to the fact that I am not contributing to the most
popular subjects here as young pigs and young girls etc.
However see please:
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/01/how-is-the-calorie-content-in-food-determined/
Calorimetry is very important
I find that if I ignore my kids when they act up, it usually goes away. It
is usually them looking for attention. I was taught that from a PhD family
psychologist and it works. You might try the same. It has a lot to do
with maturity.
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Jones and Robin are acceptable to me, though Terry seems to involve
himself in too much off-topic noise.
Black!
He he he Sorry my friend, you do involve yourself with a lot of off-topic
noise.
But I still owe you lunch if you are still interested when I get back there.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:49 PM
Now they say they have one:
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.mx/2012/12/breaking-quantra-team-may-have-captured.html
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.mx/2012/12/ed-smith-daisy-has-been-moved-to.html
On 3 January 2013 08:16, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them over
and over is beginning to wear on me.
Exactly. My lockscreen and gmail screens are just screaming leave
vortex-list at me. and it's sad, because i joined
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Oh, I'm quivering, shaking with the possibility that *Jed Rothwell* might
filter me out.
Okay, out you go.
I'll check back in a few months to see if you have stopped posting this
garbage.
I am not going to subscribe to VortexB-l. This is
This is depressing. See:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/nuclear_power/2013/01/fusion_energy_from_edward_teller_to_today_why_fusion_won_t_be_a_source_of.html
For one thing, the history of fusion energy is filled with crazies,
hucksters, and starry-eyed naifs chasing after
It was against all kinds of fusion, Jed. And he called Eric Lerner an idiot.
2013/1/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
This is depressing. See:
All good will be attacked. It is a human condition.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This is depressing. See:
Even more depressing. I am locked out of Slate, unable to respond to this
article. Maybe everyone is?
Here is the response I was trying to post. If someone else could post it I
would appreciate it.
I have a collection of papers on cold fusion. It includes 1,200
peer-reviewed papers from
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
It was against all kinds of fusion, Jed. And he called Eric Lerner an idiot.
I see that. That's what Seife always writes. Still, it is depressing.
- Jed
Good morning, Abd ur-Rahman
My apologies on the name spelling. I guess I was going on the literal spelling
rather than the common pronunciation (al vs. AbdU) Of course, ar-
(rather than al) is pronunciation also. And then we come to the (western)
hyphen and capitalization! I'll follow your
Hi, Eric,
My motive for posting in Jojo's trolling is not quite the same as Abd
ul-Rahman's. I worry about the campaign of disinformation that Islamo-phobes
are spreading as widely as they can. It affects the ability of the American
people and Europeans to understand issues pertaining to the
Jojo again is entirely incorrect in these assertions.
On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:12 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Lomax and Bivort, why is it that you consider the work of scholars who lived
1600 years later better than the testimony of the person herself as recorded
by your own muslim scholars. I find
Dr. Toor has said the speed of light in superconductor is (1/300) the speed of
light. Does anyone have a reference to this? I can't find one.
Frank Znidarsic
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
the certificate of https://id.slate.com is expired
my best method with firefox is to browse
https://id.slate.com/
when it warns me about the certificat,e I ask it to get the certificate
and add an exception...
Strange. Ed Storms reported the same
I appreciate your decision Jojo. I look forward to a return to the good
science related discussions that we once shared.
May I make a couple of requests to the Vortex members that are totally
reasonable:
Lets all terminate any off topic posting that gets to be too long as it may not
be of
I simply referred him to:
The DoE committment to very large fusion concepts (the giant magnetic
tokamak) ensures only the need for very large budgets; and that is what the
program has been about for the past 15 years - a defense-of-budget program
- not a fusion-achievement program. As one of
That tends to be the way things work. I just want to see all the egg upon the
faces of those that are so confident that fusion will never work when the proof
is going to be impossible to deny very soon. On second thought, the definition
of fusion might be modified to protect the innocent!
At 02:43 PM 1/2/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Do you consider muhammed to be an infallible person?
No, explicitly not.
Is muhammed considered perfect and sinless by muslims like how
Jesus Christ is consider perfect and sinless by Christians?
Definitely not, by the majority of Muslims. There are
The article is just a promotion for Seife's book. I didn't know Slade lends
itself for that.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:23 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
That tends to be the way things work. I just want to see all the egg upon
the faces of those that are so confident that fusion
On 2013-01-03 15:03, Peter Gluck wrote:
Defkalion's E-Cat is launched in Italy too:
http://www.nextme.it/scienza/energia/4914-e-cat-defkalion-italia
They have a website - coming soon:
http://www.mose-energy.com/
Additional information from user Renzo of E-CatWorld blog:
The Defkalion
Perhaps there is a problem with the spread of disinformation that you speak of,
but did you consider that every time a response is generated, it just gives the
subject more publicity? I have come to the conclusion that this is one of the
problems within the US that leads to more violence being
Maybe the journalism professor is merely writing this to demonstrate to his
students a keen example of poor journalism?
On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
It was against all kinds of fusion, Jed. And he called Eric Lerner an idiot.
James, how important do you consider the continued investment in hot fusion
research? Do you consider LENR as more likely to bear fruit at this point?
I tend to believe that research tends to pay off in ways that are unexpected
and that much is to learned by studying plasma behavior within
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/join
If you join, enter a note that shows you know what the list is about,
this is only to discourage spambots. It can be very simple. Be
patient, it might take a day for a subscription to be active, until
we get more moderators.
I have started this
Hi, Dave,
Yes, this is the problem that plagues those harmed by mis- or disinformation.
If one ignores it, there will be a substantial number of people who believe it
on the grounds that it was not refuted. If one does not ignore the
disinformation and instead refutes it, by, of necessity,
The National Science Foundation exists to advance basic scientific research.
Development is another matter as it results in intellectual property. It
is reasonable to tie publicly funded prize awards to public domain status
for resulting technology development.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM,
At 10:16 AM 1/3/2013, Daniel Rocha wrote:
It was against all kinds of fusion, Jed. And he called Eric Lerner an idiot.
2013/1/3 Jed Rothwell mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.comjedrothw...@gmail.com
This is depressing. See:
Sorry but I am not keeping up with this stuff as I long ago set my Gmail
filter to delete all vortex-l messages that contain the string jojo.
I would guess that Abd is a muslim and Jojo is anti-muslim or something.
I invite them, and anyone else who wants to politicize vortex-l to
contribute,
there's a big difference between disdain for having a view, and suggesting
that because you belong to a group, you must be a murdering pedophile bent
on the destruction of other groups.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Eric, I forgot to mention.
What
At 01:02 AM 1/3/2013, Eric Walker wrote:
I am starting this as a new thread because many
people are starting to skip entire threads. Â See my questions below.
I wrote If that's the best we can do for now,
how to address Abd's pressing concern about
having his background and religion subject
At 01:16 AM 1/3/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
OK, why can't the President of the United States make a special
request to get his long form. You say there was no legal way, but
in fact there is. Abercrombie has enough authority by himself as
governor to do this. Obama could make a 2 minute phone
At 02:06 AM 1/3/2013, Jojo Jaro wrote:
I believe this proposal of mine is fair and equitable and good for
the community. How about it Jed and SVJ?
Jed won't see this because he's filtering out Jojo -- and me, now,
because of my responses to Jojo.
SVJ won't see this unless someone
At 01:16 AM 1/3/2013, David Roberson wrote:
Abd, is it possible for you to discuss these issues with him in private?
No. Why?
I find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them
over and over is beginning to wear on me.
Indeed. They are. That's the point, in fact.
I have a
At 01:41 AM 1/3/2013, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
I too, as one who has been on and off of Vortex
over ten years, and consistently for the last 4
years, tire of this ridiculous banter between
JoJo and Abd
Both of you have lost sight of the
main purpose of this forum, and I will be
emailing Bill
At 03:06 AM 1/3/2013, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
What may be best is for several of us to
discuss/decide off-list and present our
recommendation to Bill; perhaps myself, Terry, Jones and Robin.
If you find out that he's okay, how about telling
us. Do you realize that others, long-time members
Red. Blue. YELLOW! Chartruese.
That has been your color commentary, we now return you to the action.
Alex Hollins
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Jones and Robin are acceptable
At 04:19 AM 1/3/2013, Peter Gluck wrote:
I have developed an inferiority complex due
to the fact that I am not contributing to the most
popular subjects here as young pigs and young girls etc.
However see please:
Slate cleared up its problem and the messages appeared.
- Jed
Dear Abd,
I don't care much about calories in foods and I am a convinced carnivore.
My weight is 80+/-2 kg for at least 40 years.
You know that Polish proverb/saying: If you don't eat much, drink much and
don't love much, you will die healthy
Food and diets and nutritionists - this is the realm
At 07:07 AM 1/3/2013, ChemE Stewart wrote:
I find that if I ignore my kids when they act up, it usually goes
away. It is usually them looking for attention. I was taught that
from a PhD family psychologist and it works. You might try the
same. It has a lot to do with maturity.
Stewart,
You can see Mark, this is the kind of abuse that Lomax likes to throw at
people. You made a perfectly valid criticism of both parties and I accept
my part in the mess; but Lomax grows defensive and hostile.
I have not responded to him, by my estimate close to 12 hours now. I said I
was
Actually, the PhD's next advice if ignoring did not work, is to leave the
room, which is what you guys are driving many to do...
On Thursday, January 3, 2013, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 07:07 AM 1/3/2013, ChemE Stewart wrote:
I find that if I ignore my kids when they act up, it usually
David, in this response you can clearly see who the unreasonable party is.
You made a reasonable suggestion and I honored it because you showed
objectivity. I have stopped posting, but the cycle of insults directed my
way continues, with this fresh post with fresh insults.
My friend, I am
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 2 Jan 2013 14:33:11 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
The Rossi claim may not be similar to the new Mills' CIHT device, but it is
similar to an old Mills' device - the one known as the reverse gyrotron.
That's true, but I think Mark was referring to Mills' latest work,
Because you have shown your disdain for me and my views, I will now treat your
views with equal disdain.
Insults to my faith started from multiple members of this group long long long
before I started insulting Lomax by telling the truth about his religion.
You might say there is nothing that
Please have a little more patience Jojo. The way these posts are coming now
reminds me of a signal being filtered by a multi pole system with lots of
delay. You have been true to your word and I thank you for that. Some folks
have a difficult time realizing that it is time to calm down and
Why would muslims consider the truth about their prophet to be an insult.
Muslim scholars acknowledge this truth and yet somehow, I am considered a liar
with disinformation because I mention these things. How can truth be
considered propaganda? By definition, propaganda is a lie. The truth
I'm pointing out an inconsistency in a particular simile you made. Please,
tell me if I have misrepresented your views
Alex Hollins
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Because you have shown your disdain for me and my views, I will now treat
your views with
At 10:04 AM 1/3/2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Oh, I'm quivering, shaking with the possibility that *Jed Rothwell*
might filter me out.
Okay, out you go.
I'll check back in a few months to see if you have stopped posting
Ordinarily, the chemical potential mu is close to the Fermi energy E(F) and
the conduction electrons move at speeds v(F) corresponding to kenetic
energies .5mv^2 close to E(F)=k(B)T(F). v(F)=~10^6m/s for good conductors,
which is 1/300 the speed of light..
-- page 4 of Superconductivity By
At 10:41 AM 1/3/2013, de Bivort Lawrence wrote:
[...]
Anyway, this is what I posted back on December 24, 2012 regarding
Islam (and contemporary Jewish, Christian and pantheistic) and pre-
and post-Islamic marriage practices and rules. Your corrections are welcome.
His post was basically
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
and a few others that just can’t help but make snide remarks or try to
psychoanalyze someone else… which is a major sign of immaturity and lack of
self-awareness. I learned that lesson over 20 years ago...
Here's the response from Cold Fusion Now:
http://coldfusionnow.org/charles-seife-confuses-reality-and-myth-with-attack-on-discoverers-of-cold-fusion/
Let's invite him to Cold Fusion 101!
On 1/3/13 7:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This is depressing. See:
do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult 1 Pet. 3:9 NIV
From: leaking pen [mailto:itsat...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:something to consider
I'm pointing out an inconsistency in a
It's too bad you see insults in simple statements of fact. in addition,
many of the comments were replys to earlier posts , and because of the
thread it's in, your statement that you will stop may not have been seen by
everyone. I would suggest making a new thread, with an appropriate title,
Recently I have been simulating the time domain response of the Celani
replication cells that are being tested by the MFMP and am getting excellent
results. My purpose is to detect any excess power that may emanate from the
cells as the temperature sweeps upwards due to power increases. I
At 10:53 AM 1/3/2013, de Bivort Lawrence wrote:
Hi, Eric,
My motive for posting in Jojo's trolling is not quite the same as
Abd ul-Rahman's.
My motive has been, actually, quite the same as Lawrence's.
I worry about the campaign of disinformation that Islamo-phobes
are spreading as widely
At 10:57 AM 1/3/2013, de Bivort Lawrence wrote:
Jojo again is entirely incorrect in these assertions.
Not quite so.
If a person says 1+1=2, and therefore X, is he entirely incorrect?
No. In fact, this kind of error can be the most pernicious, because
it contains *elements* of truth. We have
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
On many tests, I find it difficult to detect an indication of the
underlying transient curve that is many times greater than the noise
surrounding the ideal response.
Say again? I don't quite follow your conclusion. Your grammar is a little
The reader's responses to the article are typical of the public. Most
people have no knowledge of cold fusion.
- Jed
Greetings Vortex,
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23042-cloud-of-atoms-goes-beyond-absolute-zero.html
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
So far, I do not detect any significant excess heating, but that will come
later with the proper loading I hope.
Sorry about the insane grammar. My solution to the differential equation
follows a curve in time that very nearly matches that of the real life cell. I
take the difference
At 03:58 PM 1/3/2013, David Roberson wrote:
Please have a little more patience Jojo. The way these posts are
coming now reminds me of a signal being filtered by a multi pole
system with lots of delay. You have been true to your word and I
thank you for that. Some folks have a difficult time
At 04:32 PM 1/3/2013, Zell, Chris wrote:
do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult 1 Pet. 3:9 NIV
My teacher used to say, quoting the Bible, his interpretation, Speak
softly and have loud ears. I seem to remember it's from Timothy, but
don't recall the original wording so I couldn't
The only one that is offending, at least it is offending my patience, is
Jojo. I support Abd's enlightening posts since they are directed against
someone that would love to see some genocide of muslims and catholics. You
mention the list being destroyed? I'd be happy if that is the case if Jojo
is
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Vortex,
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23042-cloud-of-atoms-goes-beyond-absolute-zero.html
Take that, Feynman!
Jed, I wanted to mention one additional item. Last week I saw the pattern that
suggested additional power was being generated but it was small. Most likely
less than 1.5 watts was all that I could squeeze out of the shape. I mentioned
this to the MFMP gang but did not receive any reply. Of
Dear RPF... I strongly recommend that you put the lemon and cream in your
tea. Also..
brush on organic chemistry. Surely Mr Feynman I am not joking.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Most likely less than 1.5 watts was all that I could squeeze out of the
shape.
That sounds insignificant.
I mentioned this to the MFMP gang but did not receive any reply. Of
course, I requested information about the exact test that was being
I sent a mail from two different domains of mine (but hosted on the
same host) to
vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
with subscribe in the subject header, blank body.
They both came back,
vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
host 208.83.209.7
At 09:50 PM 1/3/2013, Harry Veeder wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
At 04:32 PM 1/3/2013, Zell, Chris wrote:
do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult 1 Pet. 3:9 NIV
My teacher used to say, quoting the Bible, his
At 09:08 PM 1/3/2013, you wrote:
First things first. Is anyone getting a response from vortex-L-request?
I tried sending a test mail from this email address (abd@lomaxdesign)
to the request address. I got the expected reply. So the listserve is
operating, receiving request mail, and it
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry, fill us in.
Did Feynman regard the concept of a negative temperature meaningless?
http://www.openseti.org/Docs/HotsonPart1.pdf
Be sure to read the sidebar:
“Isn’t angular momentum energy?” he asked a
The other day I phoned Bill Beatty's number, the one given in the
welcome message. The voicemail was operating and I left a message. He
did not call back.
I just called it again. The number has been disconnected.
I found another number for him, -3818, called it, got his voice mail,
left a
I just left him a voice msg as well... let's hope he's ok and will respond
to one of us soon.
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Bill Beatty's phone
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
I just left him a voice msg as well... let's hope he's ok and will respond
to one of us soon.
We're screwed:
That must have been his father?
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:47 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bill Beatty's phone disconnected
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:
I just left
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Defkalion's E-Cat is launched in Italy too:
I didn't know Defkalion had an e-cat. Who else does too?
Eric
At 10:30 PM 1/3/2013, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Harry Veeder
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.comhveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry, fill us in.
Did Feynman regard the concept of a negative temperature meaningless?
At 10:47 PM 1/3/2013, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint
mailto:zeropo...@charter.netzeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I just left him a voice msg as well... let's hope he's ok and will respond
to one of us soon.
We're screwed:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
That does involve, sometimes, shutting up for a while.
One would wish.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
Not him, for sure.
sigh
At 10:51 PM 1/3/2013, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote:
That must have been his father?
No. The obit lists children. Not him (wrong age and location) and not
his father (no Bill as a child).
The most worrisome thing here is the disconnected phone (-3320) that
is given for list contact. I expect we
At 10:51 PM 1/3/2013, Eric Walker wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Peter Gluck
mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.competer.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Defkalion's E-Cat is launched in Italy too:
I didn't know Defkalion had an e-cat. Â Who else does too?
I don't know that *anyone* has an e-cat, but
Terry. still master of the one-liner!
;-)
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Negative K Temperature
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
That
Recent back-injury takes it out of me, so I need ages to get into
'saint mode' to see both sides of troll battles without normal human
revulsion.
I'll shut down the list to cool off all threads.
(( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) )))
William J. Beaty
Welcome back Bill! No need to shut things down at this time since it appears
that we have resolved our issue.
Thanks,
Dave
-Original Message-
From: William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 2:14 am
Subject: [Vo]:out w/health issues,
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