On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:01:17PM -0400, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
I tried all kinds of gasses on all sorts of filaments Got nothing then
something happened with ammonia on tungsten filaments.
Can you please describe the detail of your experiment, and
what exactly happened?
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
just delusioned and selectively blind like what roland benabou describe
I think groupthink is a much better explanation for belief in cold fusion
than it is for skepticism. Mainstream science is an extremely diverse
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Cude not only fails to see this pattern, he mixes up two numbers:
The claim that high loading is correlated to claims of excess heat was made
early on, but that bit of alleged intelligence has done nothing to help
with
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The role of correlation and real-world control factors is often
overlooked, even by supporters. This is critically important. Cold fusion
heat with the Pd-D system is correlated with several control factors,
including:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Cude: I missed the obligatory tritium is claimed to be
detected, and no even if it's detected, there could be contamination,
accidental or deliberate.
That is an absurd cop-out. There are dozens of
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Cude wrote:
After 24 years, there is still not an experiment that anyone skilled in
the art can do, and get quantitatively predictable positive results,
whether it's excess heat, tritium, or helium (or an
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
plate tectonics evidence where overwhelming much before they were
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Doesn't answer the question.
***Of course it does.
The question was why don't intelligent people believe cold fusion.
If the mainstream
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:35 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
interlab reproducibility is still a bitch.
***True enough, but that doesn't make it a pathological science. It makes
it a difficult one.
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
That's a reflection of what mainstream science thinks of cold fusion. It
doesn't answer the question of why, if the proof is so obvious,
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Mainstream does not believe the evidence for cold fusion. Therefore, it is
not credible.
***What a ridiculous line of reasoning.
It's what the
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
So, Pons Fleischmann were careless researchers, eh?
Yes, sadly.
Then how is it that their findings have been replicated 14,700 times?
They weren't
How did they become 2 of the most preeminent electrochemists of
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
At least I know how to spell his name.
***Gee, that's about as semantically irrelevant as an argument can get.
Lighten up. It was a gentle poke, since you were chiding me on not being as
great as Arata.
He
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
It's self evident that there are images of an unknown physical entity.
***Wow, you put more credence into bigfoot than cold fusion.
Who can
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Again with the semantics. I don't really care what word you use. To me,
both polywater and cold fusion are almost certainly bogus phenomena,
Frank, tungsten has a very high melting point that is lowered by
addition of any element to its structure. Tungsten forms a nitride
that melts at a much lower temperature than the metal. Why not
consider that you simply changed the melting point of the wire, which
cause a break in the
Walker wrote:
Yes, definitely -- conflation is a critical mistake, but it is most
likely to occur when it is convenient for one's position. Throw perpetual
motion machines, homeopathy, polywater and cold fusion all into the same
category. It does not matter that there appear to be basic
Rothwell wrote: Cude and others conflate many different assertions and
issues. They stir everything into one pot. You have to learn to
compartmentalize with cold fusion, or with any new phenomenon or poorly
understood subject.
That's nonsense. It's the believers who are forever using tritium
For what it's worth:
http://pesn.com/2013/05/09/9602311_LENR-to-Market_Weekly_May9/
http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Whats-Happened-to-Andrea-Rossi-and-his-E-Cat.html
QUOTE from latter:
What Rossi and the enthusiasts have learned is it’s a very long path from
the lab
Another quote, from:
http://pesn.com/2013/05/07/9602310_Interview_with_Andrea_Rossi_About_1-MW-E-Cat-Plant_Delivery/
. . . Early in the interview, Rossi explained that the 1 MW plant that I
saw demonstrated on October 28, 2011 was not delivered to the confidential
military customer. There were
Given that the topic is phrases that should be abandoned, can we do away with
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence ?
This repellent remark is glibly repeated to justify the bias of whoever happens
to be using it. It should be asked, extraordinary to whom? There are large
This is easy to understand: it is a long way from the discovery
of an enhanced form of excess heat to a stable, well controlled
commercial energy source. A long way with many obstacles, barriers
and problems that must be solved.Mainly engineering, technology,
materials science.
However enhanced
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
Given that the topic is phrases that should be abandoned, can we do away
with extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence ?
Amen.
Here is what Melich and I wrote about this:
[DoE 2004 review] claim 1.5. “As many have said, extraordinary
Frank,
Look at the SEM image of a tungsten filament - 2nd image here
http://www.google.com/url?sa=irct=jq=esrc=ssource=imagescd=cad=rjadoc
id=Ox10wVsW9nbjvMtbnid=9CZnSD4v8IRcxM:ved=url=http%3A%2F%2Fion.asu.edu%2F
descript_depth.htmei=awCNUZ7uIKakiQKglIHgBQbvm=bv.46340616,d.cGEpsig=AFQj
On 2013-05-10 15:53, Peter Gluck wrote:
However enhanced excess energy is the first, sine qua non step.
Rumors circulating about the Professors' Hot Cat report pre-publication
text on the Web accessible for very selected persons. Not confirmed yet.
I'm not asking for nor expecting any further
Going back to my corner of LENR, if it were not credible then the
replication of Dr. Arata's work would not have been published in Physics
Letters A.
You are not credible.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:48 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Kevin O'Malley
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Who can deny that some of those photos are not explained? Therefore they
are images of an unknown physical entity.
***You're trying to twist the original dispute, which is that National
Instruments could have gone
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Sue me. I'm an anti-semantic.
I'm not saying cold fusion is bad because it's pathological.
I call it pathological because it's bad.
***Now you're back to your own Humpty Dumpty definitions. On top of that,
I have not mentioned it till a second friend has not alluded
to the fact that there are people who know what I have
asked re the Professors in my blog writings
. It can be pure fantasy, but not mine.
I think you have better connections in this case.
It could be triggered by the optimist
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
Given that the topic is phrases that should be abandoned, can we do away
with extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence ?
That phrase (or some form of it) is usually attributed to Truzzi, but the
No, an increase in resistance effects the damping in the tuned circuit not the
frequency. I adjust the frequency with a high voltage tuning capacitor. I got
it from a from a very old transmitter years ago. I shock excite the tuned
circuit with a spark to get it oscillating.
Yes, I can
Lots of methods work, not well, not every time, and to such a small degree that
the calamity is always in doubt.
Supplying atomic hydrogen from the dissociation of ammonia is just another
approach. It was worth trying and I got local hot spots.
I, like noone else, have been doing experiments
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
That's a reflection of what mainstream science thinks of cold
Sidenote:
I'm reminded of one of the great one-liners (and I believe it was uttered
by someone on this list if I;m not mistaken:
The difference between connecting the dots and conflation is spin
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Rothwell wrote: Cude
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The question stands. If the evidence is so compelling, why don't
intelligent people accept it?
Why are some intelligent people racist?
Has to do with self-interest, I think. But it is in nearly everyone's
or rather, why do nearly all intelligent people reject it.
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote:
The question stands. If the evidence is so compelling, why don't
intelligent
Andrea Rossi
May 9th, 2013 at 8:18 PM
Dear Tom Conover:
We are testing low temperature tigers, for now, of 100 kW. All our reactors now
have activator and E-Cat, allowing us an activator with a COP more than 1 and
E-Cat with COP in the hundreds.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
- - -
Andrea Rossi
May
I believe there are documented, well attested cases in which some opponents of
cold fusion actually refused to read or consider the evidence - or said that
they would disbelieve anything reported in its support. This is not unusual.
Sheldrake politely reports the same sort of behavior in
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
.
But it's difficult to come up with a phenomenon on the scale of cold
fusion that was rejected for decades and was later vindicated. There is, as
described in Hagelstein's essay, Semmelweis, and to a lesser degree
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=frsl=autotl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pravda.ru%2Fscience%2Ftechnolgies%2F26-04-2013%2F1153327-termo_cold-0%2F%3Fmode%3Dprint
Nice find by Alain Coetmeur, lenr-forum
In order to see things the way you do, you ask that 2 of the most careful
electrochemists made fundamentally careless measurements. That the
physicists who tried the experiments and had no colorimetry experience were
able to be more careful than these 2 careful dudes. And that the effect
has not
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:40 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote:
Mainstream does not believe the evidence for cold fusion. Therefore, it
Cude wrote:
That's nonsense. It's the believers who are forever using tritium and
neutrons at ridiculously low levels to prove PF were right.
You just conflated two unrelated things!
No one says that tritium proves that PF's claims of excess heat is
correct. Tritium cannot prove that
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Hume said: A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence.
***Hume also wrote the following, which applies to Joshua Cude, who
absurdly claims that Pons Fleischmann were not careful electrochemical
experimenters and
It is well that you bring up the subject of medical procedure (transfusions)
because this area is loaded with egregious examples of verifiable facts that
are ignored - often due to prejudice and moneyed interests.
My doctor marvels at my dramatic improvement in blood chemistry but denies that
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote:
The question stands. If the evidence is so compelling, why don't
intelligent people accept it?
Why are some intelligent people
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The question stands. If the evidence is so compelling, why don't
intelligent people accept it?
Why are some intelligent people racist?
Indeed. Willful ignorant often plays a role, as it does in cold fusion.
Many of the people most stridently opposed
Then there's Dr. Simoncini ( cancerfungus.com ) that cures cancer with
baking soda, but that's too cheap to be credible :-) .
From: Chris Zell [mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 11:27 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Hagelstein's editorial
It is well
Cude wrote:
Has to do with self-interest, I think. But it is in nearly everyone's
self-interest for cold fuison to be real. And in any case, my question was
really why don't *all* intelligent people accept it.
In 1941, U.S. Adm. Stark said to the Japanese envoy Nomura:
If you attack us we
It usually transpires that, if some treatment is natural ( unpatentable) or
inexpensive, it will never be investigated or established as factual within the
medical community.
I first caught on to this while reading thru Pub Med and Index Medica
documents. It was suggested that polyunsaturated
finding of david to be honest, I relayed.
2013/5/10 Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=frsl=autotl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pravda.ru%2Fscience%2Ftechnolgies%2F26-04-2013%2F1153327-termo_cold-0%2F%3Fmode%3Dprint
Nice find by Alain Coetmeur, lenr-forum
And now some dark Lovecraftian creature from lightning:
http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/04/hell-it-bizarre-organism-appears-lightning-strike/
I wrote:
The fact that the war could only end with that kind of disaster (or
earlier with an unconditional surrender) should have been obvious to every
Japanese leader from the Emperor down to every town mayor.
I would like to explore this dreadful history a little more, because I know
a
Apparently, you have presented a true example (Park et al) of pathological
science !
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Thu, 9 May 2013 20:49:04 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 6 May 2013 18:21:16 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
If that fails, because, for example, Robin shows
overwhelming evidence
DARPA first attempt at quantum teleportation via dark energy of a human
volunteer...
On Friday, May 10, 2013, Terry Blanton wrote:
And now some dark Lovecraftian creature from lightning:
http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/04/hell-it-bizarre-organism-appears-lightning-strike/
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/may/01/how-nanocrystals-squeeze-through-nanotubes
[snip] Researchers in the US have made a remarkable discovery about how an iron
nanocrystal moves through a carbon nanotube that does not have a uniform
diameter. They found that if the crystal meets
Interview with Yuri Bazhutov -- ICCF-13 chairman
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In short, very roughly, a 1 W unshielded power source would double the
background rate.
Thank you for the numbers. Twice background doesn't sound like all that
much; presumably this is near the threshold of detection, and a signal
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
There are differences of course. Identical analogies serve no purpose.
I think they're the most powerful. :)
I assume we all agree that homeopathy and polywater and perpetual motion
are bogus. And so when someone
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
To the Japanese in 1941, Americans seemed outlandish. To the skeptics who
agree with Cude or Close, we are the ones disconnected from reality. We are
illogical and even mentally ill thinking that we can fuse hydrogen in a
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