On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
In short, Mizuno’s new work could be extremely important to the future of
LENR, especially if Rossi falters. In neither case is helium relevant. In
neither case is palladium relevant.
***Yikes. I am not quite ready for
I will ask him if they looked for helium.
***I LOVE first hand sources. Keep up the good work, Jed.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
1) If deuterium were to fuse to helium in LENR providing the excess
*The LeClair Effect explains excess heat and transmutation observed in
electrolytic cells (Pons, Fleischmann others) and by hydrodynamic means
such as the Griggs pump or sonofusion (ultrasound), cavitation is present
in all of them.*
*Please help me disabused myself of this nagging belief that
So, you wanna get into UFO's...
No doubt, there are few subjects that will throw a discussion group into
the weeds better than UFOs. UFOs are the 2nd most searched item on
Google. Nacherly, xxx sex is the first.
Look upthread at my electrogravitics approach to the NASA proposals. Then
do a
few bad point for the test are :
1- the thrust is much weaker than EmDrive
2- the blank reactor works too.
the 1 is probably linked to the bad Q compares to EmDrive
the 2 maybe is simply that Fetta does not understand well his reactor, and
that it worsk for another reason than the one he imagine.
Dear Axil,
The best way is to discuss directly and friendly with Mark or with his,
more communicative associate Serge Lebid.
Peter
PS Re cavitation, do not forget the Yusmar of Potapov however max COP was
1.8 so it failed commercially.
There is an Ukrainian company manufacturing cavitation based
Alain, where did you read that the blank/dummy control drive also worked?
From what I read it seemed to indicate that it passed (got negative result)
on that drive.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
few bad point for the test are :
1- the thrust is
See Please:
Why is the Sun's atmosphere so much hotter than its surface?
Nanoflares:
*http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140801171124.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_technology+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Technology+News%29
It looks like I can answer my own question.
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20140006052.pdf
Thrust was observed on both test
articles, even though one of the test articles was designed with the
expectation that it would not produce
thrust. Specifically, one test article
However, apparently a dummy load produced zero thrust...
And I think the other designs need to be better understood, should they
really be null?
http://i.imgur.com/daNmDty.png
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 10:09 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
It looks like I can answer my own
Different, but this made me think of Borbas Miklos, a simple ion free
anomalous thrust experiment:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090902150248/http://bmiklos2000.freeweb.hu/unipolar.htm
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 10:16 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
However, apparently a dummy load
More on the null test...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/2c8xah/nasa_validates_impossible_space_drive_wired_uk/cjdg3bh
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 11:21 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
Different, but this made me think of Borbas Miklos, a simple ion free
anomalous thrust
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Why is it that LENR researchers never go after simple or prosaic things
like replications, proof of helium-to-heat-output, running the same
experiment with dozens of different palladium vendors (or nickel vendors,
for that matter) . . .
They have
I wrote:
See his Table 10, which I reproduced on p. 6 here:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJlessonsfro.pdf
Let me know if this appears in an odd color. The color could be my
Chromebook acting up. It is quirky.
- Jed
This could be very important if they were really talking about “nanometer” as a
dimension, and not using “nano” in the way that “micro” was once used – i.e. to
indicate anything which is smaller than expected.
The video does not clear up this point, but you have to watch it to even get a
From: John Berry
More on the null test...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/2c8xah/nasa_validates_impossible
_space_drive_wired_uk/cjdg3bh
They say the null test was designed to be null, and yet it
still showed thrust.
LeClair's experiments produce all sorts of nasty radiation. All he's doing
is achieving hot fusion at room temperature with laser-induced
cavitation. There is some suggestion that jet-ejecting bubbles near the
surface, in certain contexts, can act as a cold fusion catalyst of sorts,
but they are
What a surprise : Jennifer Ouellette comes out against it
Physics Week in Review: August 2, 2014
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2014/08/02/physics-week-in-review-august-2-2014/
Perhaps your interest was piqued by the news that a Fuel-Less Space Drive with
Apparently, many of the observers of LENR, especially among those who did
not attend, are unwilling to give due credit to the paradigm shift which
happened earlier this year at the MIT colloquium - in the Clean-Planet
presentation of Yoshino, based on Mizuno's work. This is arguably the most
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf
Here is what LeClear is producing. It is those plasmoids that you like to
reference. These are the objects that bombarded the walls and trees around
LeClairs Lab, These are what Ken Shoulders produced in spark discharge.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014
as the comment says, it rather says that the theory of fetta is wrong...
that fetta cannot design a reactor that don't work by changing what he
consider a key detail.
it is a theory failure, not a practical failure.
the resonance is important, and this enough let me consider something is
real, at
part of the current tragedy of science is all kind of mainstream media
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf#page=4
first of all scientific journalists, then science tabloid (science, nature,
Cells), then influential mainstream media (NYT)...
don't look further, consensus is
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
What is the next highest energy output for a single run (using deuterium,
not hydrogen) to compare against this 100 megajoules? My suspicion is that
it is at least 500% lower.
As far as I know, the record for Pd-D is 294 MJ, Roulette et al.:
From: Jed Rothwell
As far as I know, the record for Pd-D is 294 MJ, Roulette et al.:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf
Good information to contrast here, Jed.
Roulette was basically seven excellent experiments, of low power input, of
which 5 failed with little
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
1) Deuterium does not convert into helium
Never since the advent of Bacon and the scientific method did a single
experiment or set of experiments overturn a whole body of previous
*experimental* results. When there's a
Final note: To compare apples to apples, Mizuno saw 108 MJ of gain over 30 days
at COP of 1.8 so the net energy was about 240 MJ, or about 8 per day, on
average.
For Roulette, the 294 MJ is net energy over 152 days at COP of 1.5, or about 2
MJ per day.
Therefore, the Mizuno experiment
From: Eric Walker
1) Deuterium does not convert into helium
Never since the advent of Bacon and the scientific method did a single
experiment or set of experiments overturn a whole body of previous experimental
results.
Wait a minute, Eric.
That is not what is being
I have a few observations that are not being discussed here (and I may be
missing something) from the slides from the MIT Colloquium.
- *The report for the control experiment with no excess heat also showed
the decline of the M/e=4 species and rise of the M/e=2 3 species*. The
two
Axil -- Do you believe the LeClair Effect produces radiation or not? Even
the radiation that is associated with LENR almost never leaves the
apparatus, and doesn't create anything radioactive (except tritium).
LeClair claims huge bursts of neutrons that almost killed him.
I know Moray King argues
The EVOs that LeClair generates are producing gamma radiation because there
is no BEC to thermalize them. In the Rossi reactor, a BEC of solitons
readily forms that distributes the gamma energy to all the members of the
BEC. Photons flow readily between solitons which produce a global BEC to
form.
From: Bob Higgins
I have a few observations that are not being discussed here (and I may be
missing something) from the slides from the MIT Colloquium.
* The report for the control experiment with no excess heat also showed
the decline of the M/e=4 species and rise of the M/e=2 3
My dear readers.
Volens-nolens we have to agree that LENR is in a state of Crisis.
I am convinced that only Homo Faber can save Homo Sapiens
who is missing some tools and cannot solve alone the problem in this
extremely difficult case..
However, Homo sapiens must come with new ideas and
Jones,
Your explanation below seems really a stretch, but it certainly is a
mystery.
The quadrapole mass spec RGA will have a front end ionizer to extract an
ionized sample for measurement. I think this front end is likely to only
extract positive ions and there will be no f/D+ because there is
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have a few observations that are not being discussed here (and I may be
missing something) from the slides from the MIT Colloquium.
- *The report for the control experiment with no excess heat also
showed the
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Mizuno/Yoshino was basically a 75 watt gain experiment that saw gain from
start to end, and ended after 30 days due to fuel depletion.
I doubt the fuel was depleted. I realize you say the mass 4 species are
gone, but that does not mean they are used up
IMHO, the transmutation of D into H is a minor endothermic side reaction
that uses energy from the primary nickel hydrogen reaction which is gainful
on the average.
Hydrogen serves as a plasmonic dielectric and is not always the primary
source involved in the production of energy.
On Sat, Aug
From: Bob Higgins
The quadrapole mass spec RGA will have a front end ionizer to extract an
ionized sample for measurement. I think this front end is likely to only
extract positive ions and there will be no f/D+ because there is no such thing.
AFAIK - Mass specs can be run in
Folks, I am asking this question because I truly do not know the answer and
clearly, I am not qualified to even begin to answer it. Maybe those who have
actually studied Mills GUTCP book can help answer this question. (Mike and
Robin? up for some calculations.)
This is a bounce off the
Most Pd/D systems produce heat through cavitation.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote:
Folks, I am asking this question because I truly do not know the answer
and clearly, I am not qualified to even begin to answer it. Maybe those
who have actually
By cavitation, I presume you mean that the cavitation would cause Deuterium to
slam to each other and fuse ala Hot fusion?
If so, where are the gammas?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Can the
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf
Here is what cavitation is producing. These are what Ken Shoulders also
produced in spark discharge. Sparks in water always produce cavitation.
Only cavitation in water produces gamma because no BEC can be produced.
Sparks in a gas do not
Despite extensive analysis, Fermi bubbles defy explanation
Aug 01, 2014
(Phys.org) —Scientists from Stanford and the Department of Energy's SLAC
National Accelerator Laboratory have analyzed more than four years of data
from NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope, along with data from other
Hi,
I remember that there was in the early time an analysis of the reason why
the experiments of LENr have failed, identifying if the minimum
requirements on loading, current density were met ..
I could not find it (I forgot the name, and dunno if the author is Ed
Storms, Miles or McKubre?)
~;^) CHEERS BUBBLES! ! ! * * * QUANTUM-COMPUTATION/TORSION WAVE QUANTUM
ENTANGLEMENT: ACTUALLY THIS OBSERVED PHENOMENON is it's functional basos.
INGRESS AexoDarkEnergy/Axial Hyper-Gravionic jets-lobes. . . .
* * * The centre of the galaxy is a 'grey-hole' balanced singularity hub
that allows
You forgot crop circles...
On Saturday, August 2, 2014, JackHarbach O'Sullivan alset9te...@gmail.com
wrote:
~;^) CHEERS BUBBLES! ! ! * * * QUANTUM-COMPUTATION/TORSION WAVE QUANTUM
ENTANGLEMENT: ACTUALLY THIS OBSERVED PHENOMENON is it's functional basos.
INGRESS AexoDarkEnergy/Axial
From 2003, perhaps this Ed Storms article in LENR-CANR.ORG
Storms, E. *What Conditions Are Required To Initiate The Lenr Effect?*
in *Tenth
International Conference on Cold Fusion*. 2003. Cambridge, MA:
LENR-CANR.org.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-08-03 0:48 GMT+02:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com:
*What Conditions Are Required To Initiate The Lenr Effect?*
this article is nice but positive.
I had in mind a detailed list of failed experiment with estimated reason of
the failure... my mind is not clear...
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
I remember that there was in the early time an analysis of the reason why
the experiments of LENr have failed, identifying if the minimum
requirements on loading, current density were met ..
You probably mean McKubre's work. See the histogram on p. 7
In reply to Jojo Iznart's message of Sun, 3 Aug 2014 05:23:47 +0800:
Hi,
Shrinkage to H[n=1/4] yields 204 eV / atom (starting out from an H atom in the
ground state). If you can find out how much energy was produced, and how much
Hydrogen was consumed, you can work out for yourself whether or
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.7905.pdf
In the summary, the microwave and gamma radiation is caused by the
interaction of protons and electrons in a fairly weak magnetic field.
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Despite extensive analysis, Fermi bubbles defy
It just dawned on me that cavitation produced by a pump will produce gamma,
whereas cavitation produced by a spark does not produce gamma. Cavitation
produced by a pump does not have the power to produce nano particles, but
an arc is hot and energetic enough to produce nano particles from plasma
Also Cravens and Letts 2008 : The Enabling Criteria Of Electrochemical Heat:
Beyond Reasonable Doubt
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CravensDtheenablin.pdf
Jones,
From what I have read, you are correct that some QMS RGA instruments can
read negative ions (such as potentially f/D-), but it must have a dual mode
ionizer front end. In normal mode the ionizer has fast electrons that will
not produce significant negative ions, and in fact the high speed
All excellent papers- very scientific. The cause of failed experiment is
actually trivial- only surfaces free of adsorbed gases can work - initiate
LENR. Deep degassing is a must- and in an electro-chemical cell it is
impossible- almost. Piantelli (see his EU Patent) and DGT (see the ICCF-18
demo)
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