Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Axil Axil
The dimethyl siloxane type of polymer will confine hydrogen since oxygen carbon and silicon all keep hydrogen from escaping. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Lithium Aluminum Hydride was not added to the fuel mix for its good looks. The Hydride had a

Re: [Vo]:How do ya' like THAT COP?

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
it is open peer review. Pomp start to propose critic. he is desperate. he should join 9/11 truthers. (sorry guys). as Beaudette stated we should focus on heat, not nuclear ashes. this is the key even if physicist don't understand heat, engineers, thus investors, do understand heat. my bet is

Re: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-09 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
I thought I read that the analysis was for the surface of the grain. Also the result differes from grain to grain, it would have been nice to see some ranges of the values found in the surface. I got the feeling that the presented sample was chooses just to make a statement of how different the

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
this is an old tactic that Beaudette debunked. the physicist ignore voluntarily that heat above chemistry level is a nuclear ash. maybe Jed can make a better historical perspective than me. as I've read, the chemist were so bad in particle detection, and physicist so bad in calorimetry, that

Re: [Vo]:X-rays, IR, RF the Rossi effect

2014-10-09 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: In recent months my bet has been on transmutation from one isotope of nickel to another, but I will need to read the report to see how I continue to feel about that. I just read over the report, and I feel greatly confirmed in the hypothesis that neutron stripping of deuterium is

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
bad logic even a fraudster cannot change the physics of heat. a fraudster need to control his environment. he makes pony show. he ensure condition for his fraud. he does not let people play with his reactor, choose methods... the fraud hypotheis are empty... they don't even consider the

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
tthe isotopic shift observed is probably only a side effect of the real reaction. from others LENR experiments one can suspect that hydrogen is the fuel, and that Ni is just modified. that the surface of the powder is pure Ni62 maye be simply that it is cooked by the reactions, stay stable, and

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
beware of the streelight effect. we have no isotopic evidence about hydrogen and helium one of my hypothesis is that hydrogen is fused with symmetric p-e-p d-e-d t-e-t and fission, and anecdotal fusion with heavy compounds like Li or Ni, or Fe, of even number of hydrogen as iwamura observed...

Re: [Vo]:Intermediate products of isotope shifting reaction appear to be absent

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
moreover the various methods gave different result, suggesting that surface is very different from deeper. it is expected as it happen the same for others LENr experiments ... there are very complex transmutation in the craters of LENR electrodes 2014-10-09 9:20 GMT+02:00 Stefan Israelsson Tampe

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Craig Haynie
Two things: On 10/08/2014 11:07 PM, Robert Lynn wrote: The uniformity of the Ni ash concerns me, the burn mechanism somehow converts all natural Ni isotopes (smaller and larger!! so fusion and fission in evidence) to Ni62, but with miraculously no radioactive isotopes produced? Patterson,

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
And being a 3rd part test I would assume Rossi does not have access or opportunity to switch out anything. From: Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:26 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Jed, perhaps someone

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Craig Haynie
On 10/09/2014 07:00 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: And being a 3^rd part test I would assume Rossi does not have access or opportunity to switch out anything. From page 7 of the report: The dummy reactor was switched on at 12:20 PM of 24 February 2014 by Andrea Rossi who gradually brought

[Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Where did al the C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn go?

2014-10-09 Thread Teslaalset
Axel addressed this in earlier threads, but I too wander what happened with the C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn that was observed in the 'virgin' fuel? 0.011 grams of Li, 0.55 grams of Ni, so the remaining elements should not have been ignored in the analysis.

[Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Teslaalset
I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has this not been mentioned?

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Peter Gluck
Rossi says on his blog the test was planned for 35 days. Peter On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of

RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
OTOH… If it wasn’t new physics then it would have been solved long ago. There is enough information disclosed now for knowledgeable researchers to gather their own data. There is almost certainly efforts to borrow design and material property disclosed in this report by Rossi’s competitors and

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Jack Cole
Maybe it took a few days to set up/tear down all the equipment. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi says on his blog the test was planned for 35 days. Peter On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: I find it

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Steve High
A point of clarification if I might. The siloxane was never present in the reactor. It was the adhesive used to fix the ash particles, after removal from the reactor, so they could be analyzed for isotopic composition. The odd thing about the isotopic analysis: if you read the appendix you will

Re: [Vo]:Lithium Aluminum Hydride

2014-10-09 Thread Sunil Shah
http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/323403?lang=en for example .s Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:50:36 -0400 From: janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Lithium Aluminum Hydride Did you notice that the temperature that the Lithium Aluminum Hydride decomposes is 150

RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil The dimethyl siloxane type of polymer will confine hydrogen since oxygen carbon and silicon all keep hydrogen from escaping. No, that is incorrect. As Steve High says, this material was never in the reactor. This is a high temperature polymer

RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Jones Beene
That is true, Fran - but as of now – this is looking more unbelievable to me than the very first Rossi demo – the “steam or hot-air” version. This is no longer a hydrogen reactor. That is a huge change in focus. As someone else has commented, at least now Rossi has now backed himself into a

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 08:20 AM 10/8/2014, Alan Fletcher wrote: Releasing the report during Nobel week means that all the scientific journalists will be busy on that and/or won't have space for it (print versions). Still no media mention -- not even NyTeknik. So it can't go in the wiki article yet. (Also, as a

RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 05:46 PM 10/8/2014, Jones Beene wrote: Many things do not add up here, especially the drastic changes from the original E-Cat. I don't have any problem with the design evolution. The original warm cat went from a large tube boiler to a small tube boiler to a kettle. The hotcat went from a

Re: [Vo]:A bombshell of a different type?

2014-10-09 Thread frobertcook
I for one consider a hot Li6 is inconsistent with no radiation. The enerrgy release must be by a different mechanism. Bob Cook Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneAxil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, you really can tell where that Li6 came from. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at

Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season

2014-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:26 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: How many ebola virus can you fit into a droplet in a sneeze or cough??? Does it matter? It takes only one. WHO contradicted CDCP by saying that you can get ebola from a sneeze:

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: The fraud hypothesis is an obvious option. If it is so obvious then please explain how it would be done. By Rossi, I mean. Obviously if Levi et al. wanted to commit fraud they could simply publish fake data. They could make up the whole thing without doing an

Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season

2014-10-09 Thread Craig Haynie
On 10/09/2014 10:40 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: WHO contradicted CDCP by saying that you can get ebola from a sneeze: http://www.naturalnews.com If it's in saliva, then why wouldn't it be in a sneeze? Craig

[Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
Elforsks CEO: Let's move on with research on LENR http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3854541.ece google translation of swedish: Elforsk takes now the initiative to build a comprehensive Swedish research initiative. More knowledge is needed to understand and explain. Let us engage more

[Vo]:Some Ni particles depleted, others not?

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
In this study they looked at only a few particles of nickel. They found that nearly all of the nickel had been transmuted into another isotope. Presumably this was the source of the energy in the experiment. People wonder how Rossi could have arranged to make the nickel deplete just as the

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
THIS is the kind of response I was hoping to see! Elforsk takes now the initiative to build a comprehensive Swedish research initiative. More knowledge is needed to understand and explain. Let us engage more researchers in searching coat phenomenon and then explain how it works. Ignore the

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Ron Wormus
--On Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:07 AM -0400 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: It does look like the system ran until its fuel was exhausted. The unused fuel shows the natural isotope composition from both SIMS and ICP-MS, i.e. 58 Ni (68.1%), 60 Ni (26.2%), 61 Ni (1.1%), 62 Ni

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Ron Wormus
They only looked at a few grains of the ash so to extrapolate the results to all of the remaining fuel is probably erroneous. --On Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:23 PM +0200 Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
the powder change seems quite simple... no complex procedure... surprising. 2014-10-09 15:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com: At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
yes, they probably choosed the most extreme sample to make a statement. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com wrote: --On Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:07 AM -0400 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: It does look like the system ran until its fuel was

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Report Leaked- Sweden

2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
NyTeknik just make an article about the Boss of Elforsk who play the cautious man, but say he will launche a research effor on that subject with partners... http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3854541.ece david made a translation

Re: [Vo]:X-rays, IR, RF the Rossi effect

2014-10-09 Thread torulf.greek
Is sounds unbelievable because the Ni58 and annihilation radiaton. but maybe something like that may work. At the start up D is formed from p threw Storms process PePD And then D reacts with Ni in a Oppenheimer-Phillips process. The new protons then recycle back to D. This may provide

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread David Roberson
Perhaps anyone that takes proper precautions associated with the use of micro sized particles can perform the task. The lack of needing controlled atmosphere for loading is fabulous. This technology has the potential of becoming extremely wide spread. Dave -Original

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 04:23 AM 10/9/2014, Teslaalset wrote: I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which would be the reason for shutdown. Why has

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, I think you have far insufficient data to jump to the conclusion that this is no longer a Ni-H reaction. Earlier, the hotCat used stainless, and it worked just fine. Before that, it was just added H2 gas. Just because alumina is used now does not mean it is beta alumina or even uncoated

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread torulf.greek
Thanks this looks fine. Rossi have to declare watt material he used. On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:41:33 -0600, Bob Higgins wrote: Jones, I think you have far insufficient data to jump to the conclusion that this is no longer a Ni-H reaction. Earlier, the hotCat used stainless, and it worked

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
Stephen Pomp asserts that it is possible to use commercially available isotopes to make an ash sample that gives the same values as measured in the report. Setting aside the issues of how Rossi would switch samples and his motivation for doing so, we should ask if Pomp is exaggerating the

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: There are so many transmutation threads going on that I'm not sure if this was posted : Rodney Nicholson October 8th, 2014 at 5:05 PM 2) It seems that in the ITP test the content of 58Ni was reduced almost to zero

[Vo]:Rossi Comment on Depletion of Li7

2014-10-09 Thread David Roberson
Rossi commented on his blog today that he was expecting to see the Li7 depletion from his research. He said that he also has seen Ni62 enhancement, but was surprised to see the latest conversion efficiency reported. It is encouraging to see that earlier testing revealed similar results to what

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
A statement about the report in Swedish and English on the Elforsk website: http://www.elforsk.se/LENR-Matrapport-publicerad/ Harry On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: THIS is the kind of response I was hoping to see! Elforsk takes now the initiative

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Foks0904 .
Thanks Harry. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:44 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: A statement about the report in Swedish and English on the Elforsk website: http://www.elforsk.se/LENR-Matrapport-publicerad/ Harry On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 09:44 AM 10/9/2014, H Veeder wrote: A statement about the report in Swedish and English on the Elforsk website: http://www.elforsk.se/LENR-Matrapport-publicerad/ This sentence is on the NyTeknik site, but not in the Elforsk release Elforsk takes now the initiative to build a comprehensive

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Lennart Thornros
I think this report was very good from many aspects. I understand from the comments that the Pomp's of this world now have one and only one way to deny the existence of Rossi's E-cat and that is to say that Rossi is an fraud and a magician. As much as I want to be critical and as much as it is OK

[Vo]:my first reaction to the Rossi Report

2014-10-09 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, I have published with a bit of delay: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/the-rossi-report-no-2-is-great-step.html I wish I could have been an incombustible fly inside that alumina vessel to see everything what happened there! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

[Vo]:ExtremeTech headlines with LENR success

2014-10-09 Thread Ian Walker
Hi all Cold fusion reactor verified by third-party researchers, seems to have 1 million times the energy density of gasoline Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat — the device that purports to use cold fusion to generate massive amounts of cheap, green energy – has been verified by third-party researchers,

Re: [Vo]:my first reaction to the Rossi Report

2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/the-rossi-report-no-2-is-great-step.html Without a decent hypothesis at least, a paper is not scientific. I strongly disagree with that. It's perfectly respectable and scientific to report an observation without an explanation.

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Robert Dorr
First off let me get this out of the way, I am not a physicists so this is probably completely impossible, but I'll throw it out here anyway. What if the conversion of Ni 58 and Li 7 happen relatively quickly so that very soon after the reaction is commenced there is almost a complete

Re: [Vo]:my first reaction to the Rossi Report

2014-10-09 Thread James Bowery
Dr. Gluck, please remove me from your Cc list. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/the-rossi-report-no-2-is-great-step.html * Without a decent hypothesis at least, a paper is not scientific. *I strongly disagree with

RE: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread Robert Ellefson
I don’t consider this a crazy idea at all. In fact, there is my nearly-identical conclusion from yesterday: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg98021.html -Bob From: Robert Dorr [mailto:rod...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:31 AM To:

Re: [Vo]:my first reaction to the Rossi Report

2014-10-09 Thread Peter Gluck
I agree with you but this is the custom for scientific publications. It is not my opinion. Peter On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/the-rossi-report-no-2-is-great-step.html * Without a decent hypothesis at least, a

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-10-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
http://rossiisreal.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/probability-is-now-45/ Based on http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3854541.ece Exciting times! On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: http://rossiisreal.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/probability-now-20/

Re: [Vo]:my first reaction to the Rossi Report

2014-10-09 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jemes Bowery, you are not an my cc list, but Vortex sends my messages to you I am a founding member of Vortex but you can ask Bill Beatty to exclude me from it. Peter On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:32 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Dr. Gluck, please remove me from your Cc list.

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: yes, they probably choosed the most extreme sample to make a statement. I do not think they chose the samples. I think they only analyzed two and they reported on both. If they had analyzed 10 or 20 I think they would've said so. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Chris Zell
I think a line is being crossed in regard to the accusations made. While there are many points to be debated, accusing professionals of being part of a fraud is something that should answered in a courtroom as defamation. -

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Mind blowing.This is a B.F.D. Exciting times!! On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:53 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Elforsks CEO: Let's move on with research on LENR http://www.nyteknik.se/asikter/debatt/article3854541.ece google translation of swedish: Elforsk takes now the

Re: [Vo]:my first reaction to the Rossi Report

2014-10-09 Thread James Bowery
My apologies. I saw the big Cc list and didn't notice I wasn't on it. Your contributions to the vortex-l are proper to the list so I have no complaints for Mr. Beatty. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Jemes Bowery, you are not an my cc list, but

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Axil Axil
This is correct thinking and a real path to truth. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: tthe isotopic shift observed is probably only a side effect of the real reaction. from others LENR experiments one can suspect that hydrogen is the fuel, and that Ni

RE: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season

2014-10-09 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Hi Terry! I was being sarcastic... I have a colleague who earned his PhD at UCLA in Biology back in the 80s... he used to have lunch with some of the virologists, at the time when HIV was in the news a lot... viruses are good at mutating, but the virologists said that what made HIV difficult

Re: [Vo]:my first reaction to the Rossi Report

2014-10-09 Thread Foks0904 .
I'll second your opinion Alan. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/the-rossi-report-no-2-is-great-step.html * Without a decent hypothesis at least, a paper is not scientific. *I strongly disagree with that. It's

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: I think a line is being crossed in regard to the accusations made. While there are many points to be debated, accusing professionals of being part of a fraud is something that should answered in a courtroom as defamation. I agree with your

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This is correct thinking and a real path to truth. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: tthe isotopic shift observed is probably only a side effect of the real reaction. from others LENR experiments one can suspect

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Axil Axil
From an electromagnetic point of view, nickel and lithium perform the same no matter how many neutrons are included in their nuclei. The testers should not have run the reactor at 1400C. That high operational temperature would have partially melted many of the nickel particles thereby reducing

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-10-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Blaze exhibits his wishy-washiness yet again. He also doesn't follow his own posted criteria, which was that if the report came out after September he would lower the probability to 25%, which he never did. He went straight to 20% yesterday and today he's at 45%. Because of ONE reaction to the

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The testers should not have run the reactor at 1400C. I do not think they knew it would get that hot. That high operational temperature would have partially melted many of the nickel particles thereby reducing the power output of the test reactor.

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

2014-10-09 Thread torulf.greek
To disprove it you must be more specific. Watt is the reactions between Ni 62 and Li 6? I am not a physicists to but have already proposed this cyclic reactions. And it may be easy to disprove. At the start up D is formed from p threw Storms process PePD And then D reacts with Ni in a

[Vo]:The obect of the TIP report is to get a patent

2014-10-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
The TIP report is out, and it is positive for Rossi. The next step for him is to challenge the USPTO rejection of his patent because their assessment is that it is not operable. Now he has 7 independent scientists saying it IS operable. But the patent office will still drag their heels because

[Vo]:Rossi comments on duration of test

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a comment from Rossi's blog. This seems to indicate there was only enough Ni to run for about a month. I am not sure what it means. See the word charge. - Jed Rodney Nicholson http://na/ October 8th, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on duration of test

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck already told us about this. I should pay closer attention. I do not know what to make of this. How could Rossi know what power level they would run at? It is a shame they did not try to run for 40 days. It is difficult believe Rossi can calibrate the amount of fuel so closely, given

[Vo]:Sintered Aluminia

2014-10-09 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
I find GoatGuy's comment interesting, how valid is his objection? http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/10/third-party-report-on-32-day-continuous.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29

Re: [Vo]:Sintered Aluminia

2014-10-09 Thread leaking pen
not. it still ignores the fact that the transmitted light was more than the power coming in. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: I find GoatGuy's comment interesting, how valid is his objection?

Re: [Vo]:Sintered Aluminia

2014-10-09 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
not, maybe but I wan't some more meat. Doesn't it depend if light get's through from the inner tube but the heat radiation is insulated within. Of cause if the layer is thin or if it conduct heat well the inner and the outer has pretty much the same temperature and hence the argument is moot, not

Re: [Vo]:The obect of the TIP report is to get a patent

2014-10-09 Thread James Bowery
Better would be a patent cooperation treaty country somewhere other than the US approving the patent and the US physics theocracy being paraded around for historic scorn and perhaps trials for crimes against humanity. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The

[Vo]:mysterious high concentration of the end product

2014-10-09 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
If we consider that the granules are different and react diferently, and it seams to be known how a particle that react well should look like, couldn't the testers have picked a biased sample for their expensive analysis e.g. a particle that have had the time to saturate in order to ne sure to get

Re: [Vo]:Sintered Aluminia

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: I find GoatGuy's comment interesting, how valid is his objection? GoatGuy's comments are always valid. Just be sure you reverse the truth value. X := Not(X); - Jed

Re: [Vo]:another Law breaker?

2014-10-09 Thread David L. Babcock
Thank you. Also, Noted that the 2nd law is not violated. Ol' Bab On 10/7/2014 1:34 PM, Ian Walker wrote: Hi David I did a search for good-bye-second-law-of-thermodynamics It came up in google with this

[Vo]:motls chimes in

2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
http://motls.blogspot.com/2014/10/fusion-dynomak-new-compact-rival-of.html On a new HOT fusion device, but the new hotcat test is mentioned in a couple of comments. The whole paper must be ignored because the authors put their units in square brackets : [W] etc He enthusiastically quotes

Re: [Vo]:The obect of the TIP report is to get a patent

2014-10-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Would Sweden qualify? The demo plant was originally stated to be in Sweden a couple of years ago. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:51 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Better would be a patent cooperation treaty country somewhere other than the US approving the patent and the US physics

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on duration of test

2014-10-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 9 Oct 2014 15:51:09 -0400: Hi, [snip] Peter Gluck already told us about this. I should pay closer attention. I do not know what to make of this. How could Rossi know what power level they would run at? It is a shame they did not try to run for 40 days.

Re: [Vo]:motls chimes in

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: The whole paper must be ignored because the authors put their units in square brackets : [W] etc Motl actually said that! Amazing. Quote: For example, these cranks haven't understood the concept of units in physics. All equations for dimensionful variables

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:01:38 -0400: Hi, [snip] THIS is the kind of response I was hoping to see! Elforsk takes now the initiative to build a comprehensive Swedish research initiative. More knowledge is needed to understand and explain. Let us engage more

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on duration of test

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If Rossi already knew the reaction mechanism, then it wouldn't be hard to weigh out exactly the right amount of chemicals. You can weigh them out with a milligram lab scale I suppose. I guess you could be plus/minus a week or two in fuel. But they describe pouring

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Sunil Shah
FYI, he's definitely NOT looking to engage research into coat phenomena : ) just looking to describe the phenomenon and then explain how it works /SunilElforsk takes now the initiative to build a comprehensive Swedish research initiative. More knowledge is needed to understand and

[Vo]:Lithium

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium Isotopes Naturally occurring lithium is composed of two stable isotopes, 6Li and 7Li, the latter being the more abundant (92.5% natural abundance).[3][13][23] Both natural isotopes have anomalously low nuclear binding energy per nucleon compared to the next

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on duration of test

2014-10-09 Thread Craig Haynie
On 10/09/2014 03:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: It is difficult believe Rossi can calibrate the amount of fuel so closely, given that a microscopic amount of fuel produces a huge amount of energy. I assume that Rossi simply put more than enough fuel into the cell to accommodate a 35 day

Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on duration of test

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: I assume that Rossi simply put more than enough fuel into the cell to accommodate a 35 day test, at whatever power level was chosen. That would be sensible. This may have nothing to do with the near total transmutation of the nickel. Still, if

[Vo]:NetworkWorld covers Report

2014-10-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2824558/infrastructure-management/could-ultra-cheap-clean-energy-be-just-around-the-corner-the-return-of-rossi-and-the-e-cat.html

Re: [Vo]:NetworkWorld covers Report

2014-10-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Our good friend mark gibbs! Click on it! Many times! On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:

[Vo]:Rossi and Matts Lewan on the Radio

2014-10-09 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/697-Tonight-we-listen-to-Sterling-Lewan-and-Andrea-Rossi/ Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:NetworkWorld covers Report

2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I find it disturbing that he wrote: The problem with Pons and Fleischmann’s claimed discovery was that no one could duplicate it . . . That is nonsense, and he knows it is nonsense. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com My guess as to how it works:- Hydrinohydride is a small heavy negative particle with a mass about 10 times greater than a negative muon. These form the equivalent of muonic molecules (Hydronic molecules?) with Ni Li, allowing them to approach

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
Maybe it can all be done with shrunken lithium... ...Lithino harry On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com My guess as to how it works:- Hydrinohydride is a small heavy negative particle with a mass about

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Axil Axil
don't you remember when Rossi said... He said that he tested a number of secret sauce element which all basically worked. Lithium is just one of a number of elements that do basically the same thing. Lithium is not unique. How does a family of element doing the secret sauce function fit into

Re: [Vo]:Experimental Test of a Thermodynamic Paradox

2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
Sorry, I did not reply sooner. Thanks for the interest. Except for my encounters with Maxwell's demon this field is all new to me. Unfortunately I don't know anything about semiconductor theory. I found Sheehan's proposed epicatalytic method for violating of the second law of thermodynamics

Re: [Vo]:NetworkWorld covers Report

2014-10-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
If Gibbs knows it's nonsense, why did he write it? It's frustrating that he unsubscribed from Vortex-L. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I find it disturbing that he wrote: The problem with Pons and Fleischmann’s claimed discovery was that no one could

Re: [Vo]:Magnus Olofsson , CEO Elfors

2014-10-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Lithium is not unique. How does a family of element doing the secret sauce function fit into your new theories? Neutron stripping. :) Eric

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