Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Bob, the products they make available are not to be compared with consumer end-products. It's a limited batch of prototypes. For such a test batch 1 year of guarantee is not too bad. I agree that the term 'never dying battery' is probably wrong for these test products, since the electret module

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Ron, this patent application requires an energy source by means of a Van de Graaf generator to generate voltage output by means of a high electrical field provided. Van den Graaf generators do not run without input energy. Steorn claims are based on a charge generator that does not have a

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Alsoperhaps mere ..triboelectric charging. Electrets are diode like. There is a patent that uses electrets to rectify radio-radar waves by Rhines circa 1950. On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Teslaalset wrote: > Ron, this patent application requires an energy

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

The most likely radio wave source would be a WiFi router. In Europe, Wifi routers are restricted to 100 mW RF output. The energy harvesting Steorn demonstrated with their USB hub is 0.4 Watt. That would suggest they fake their demo's with a dedicated focused RF source. But since they roll out test

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

So there's some reason Teslaalset ignores that Steorn have claimed that it works within a Faraday cage? --- | Esa Ruoho | +358403703659 | http://fi.linkedin.com/in/esaruoho | | http://lackluster.bandcamp.com |

Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery

Such collected ions as Robin describes are most likely to be attracted to plates that would provide a net neutralization of the electret. In other words, this ion current from the air would be a leakage path for the electret and not a benefactor. Such ion current leakage exists, yet electrets

RE: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Observers should overlook the Steorn claim of Faraday cage testing as essentially meaningless… with a history. Steorn was saying the exact same thing about the other Orbo incarnations, going back 8 years. Look it up - it’s still online - same old BS then, as now. Even if they “got religion”

[Vo]:relatively good LENR news, mainly from Russia; The rarity of NAE not fatkl

It is encouraging to see how active are the Russian LENR'ists; LENR supporters or adherents at the TV http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/01/jan-26-2016-lenr-rarity-of-nae-not.html -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Jones, A Faraday cage requires no ground. It just requires a continuous metal box enclosure. The Orbo test would be simple. Put the Orbo and the phone inside the box with its charging cable connected totally within the box. No cables enter or exit from the box. Close the box for XX hours and

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: Jones, > > A Faraday cage requires no ground. It just requires a continuous metal > box enclosure. The Orbo test would be simple. Put the Orbo and the phone > inside the box with its charging cable connected

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Putting the Orbo in a vacuum would probably destroy it. There is nothing that says that Steorn's particular electrets or the internal lithium battery would survive outgassing in a vacuum. The Faraday cage would also prevent atmospheric ions from being attracted to the device. It would be easy

RE: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Bob, Well – I looked this up online, specifically wrt Wi-Fi which is primarily the RF of interest for recharging since the end use is cell phones. This frequency will be around 2-3 GHz. In the video below - it was 2.4 GHz. As this video shows, a single Faraday cage reduces the RF signal

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Cant we just take it to The wilderness like a proper desert etc and see what it does. Steorn havent marketed it as a "dude faraday cage woah buy now" type thing at all. It was just an interesting comment from em because everyone is all "RF Harvester LOL" as a way of ignoring their device. Sent

RE: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

From: Esa J. Ruoho Ø Cant we just take it to The wilderness like a proper desert etc and see what it does. Steorn havent marketed it as a "dude faraday cage woah buy now" type thing at all. It was just an interesting comment from em because everyone is all "RF Harvester LOL" as a way of

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

RF shielding enclosures are a technology all of their own. I worked for a major manufacturer of communications equipment for 37 years, and we had many of these, including enclosures that you could work in ("screen booths"). The trick is in the door - you must keep the contact periodicity in the

RE: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Assuming that Steorn really are shipping a product soon, and the Oz-Reds as well - it should not take long to find out most of what is going on. Actually, I doubt that the device operates by rectifying RF and I doubt that it is overunity. There could easily be a major breakthrough in

Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery

In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:19:32 -0700: Hi, >Such collected ions as Robin describes are most likely to be attracted to >plates that would provide a net neutralization of the electret. I agree. >In other >words, this ion current from the air would be a leakage

[Vo]:electrostatic finite element software

Does anyone have access to electrostatics software package and have time to do a finite element analysis on a 3-D part to determine the electrostatic field potential? Specifically the JPEG in the link below shows a grouping of protons and neutrons. I mainly need to figure out which protons have

RE: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

For those who want to believe in magic…. There is a new form of (proved) energy harvesting … without RF, and it is a field where electrets are actually essential (in combination with piezoelectrics):

Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery

In all the unusual systems mentioned I would be extremely surprised to find a significant amount of energy being harvested. It would be astounding to find more than 1 milliwatt of power available to charge the main battery. Also, a well constructed shielded room like Bob is describing would

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Perhaps they got lucky (they are Irish, after all) but in the end – Orbo is > not overunity, even if it could be a valuable advance. I'm curious -- is Steorn claiming overunity? Eric

Re: [Vo]:electrostatic finite element software

Jeff, I think you will have trouble with finite element analysis of that structure, and the results will likely depend a lot on some of the assumptions. The first problem is how you are going to model the charge of the proton. For example, will you presume the charge is concentrated at the

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

"Never charge battery". Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa. > Eric Walker kirjoitti 26.1.2016 kello 23.45: > >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >> Perhaps they got lucky (they are Irish, after all) but in the end – Orbo

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Esa J. Ruoho wrote: "Never charge battery". > That sounds like an easy statement to wiggle out of if you're harvesting RF, while having the benefit of catching people's attention. The natural conclusion one draws is that it means perpetual

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

It only has a 1 year guarantee. So, perpetual charging is not guaranteed. Seems like that if you were going to make the claim that it NEVER needs charging, then you should at least offer a 10 year guarantee so as to make it better than the best lithium battery. Reality is that even if the

[Vo]:Re: electrostatic finite element software

Bob and Jeff-- If you believe the standard model, the charge is tied to quarks which have values of -1/3 and +2/3. Who knows where those charge centers are at any given time and even if they are deterministically placed in a coherent system. The charge density may be randomly oriented in

Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

Here is a good video that shows he slot antenna effect and how some cheap aluminum tape can fix it up for a massive improvement in shielding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3S2KDuVxaU On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > It only has a 1 year

Re: [Vo]:electrostatic finite element software

I agree, this is going to be a trial and error thing. I've done a lot of stress/strain and thermal finite element modeling (I'm a mechanical engineer) but never electrostatic.The main thing is just to see what happens and keep on trying different assumptions. First thing is to try all the