Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Nick Palmer wrote: http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/ This organisation actually works on new economic models that include the environmental and social costs of economies onto the bottom line of the balance sheet. That is all one has to do to solve so many seemingly intractable problems. A

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Nick Palmer wrote: Horace said I think we ought to see this email. OK, here is the email in its entirety at the bottom with just a few asterisks to protect the niceties. It's not that shocking. Remember who set the tone first with their green crowd and bigmouth cracks. FWIW I agree

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-20 Thread Nick Palmer
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/ This organisation actually works on new economic models that include the environmental and social costs of economies onto the bottom line of the balance sheet. That is all one has to do to solve so many seemingly intractable problems. A business/country that

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-20 Thread Nick Palmer
Gorbals Phil wrote:- I think that means your worm is dead., not drunk. LOL! Pax?

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-20 Thread Terry Blanton
Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models On Nov 19, 2007 9:08 AM, R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stick with cactus juice... it's the bottle with the little dead worm floating . My worm is at the bottom of the bottle. Is that a problem? Terry

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-19 Thread Nick Palmer
Richard Macaulay wrote: Most everyone in Vortex excepting the really dense understand that the Dime Box Saloon does not allow English gentlemen inside unless accompanied by a Scots. So make friends with Philip of Glasgow. I'm married to a Scot Richard! So, if it's all right with you,I won't

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-19 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
LOL - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:27:41 PM Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models Nick Palmer wrote.. This topic was started off by Richard Dime box Macaulay looking

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-19 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Nick Palmer poster excerpt.. The panel, which was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize last month, said the world would have to reverse the growth of greenhouse gas emissions by 2015 to prevent serious climate disruptions. Howdy Nick, Some suspect this panel has a few loose hinges. Your concern for

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-19 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
loud laughter Richard, I think you could easily vie with Yogi Berra for quotable quotes... P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:08:12 AM Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models Nick Palmer poster excerpt

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Nov 19, 2007 9:08 AM, R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stick with cactus juice... it's the bottle with the little dead worm floating . My worm is at the bottom of the bottle. Is that a problem? Terry

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-19 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
I think that means your worm is dead., not drunk. P. - Original Message From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:00:16 PM Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models On Nov 19, 2007 9:08 AM, R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stick

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-19 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Nick Palmer posted.. and going even further back yet, before the energy greedy consumer society was even defined... even before Silent Spring was published Many of the scientists involved with this marathon effort (the IPCC - NP) have spent more than half their lives trying to clarify what

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-18 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
has his own problems to contend with without our adding to them. And I'm not easily bullied. P. - Original Message From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:44:39 AM Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models On Nov 17, 2007, at 3:29 PM

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-18 Thread Nick Palmer
Horace said I think we ought to see this email. OK, here is the email in its entirety at the bottom with just a few asterisks to protect the niceties. It's not that shocking. Remember who set the tone first with their green crowd and bigmouth cracks. I am sick to death of self

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-18 Thread Nick Palmer
And this was Philip Winestone's original reply to me (asterisks replace letters in words which are extremely common currency in Glasgow...) I don't know what the f**k you are talking about; not a word... And I can swear better than you because I'm from Glasgow. Assuming you can read

Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war

2007-11-18 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Jack Smith wrote: Also, push now for commuter rail so we have some way to get around when the Straits of Hormuz are blocked and every pipeline in the Middle East is blown up... Hoyt Stearns wrote: Push now for PRT (Personal Rapid Transit):

[VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread R.C.Macaulay
BlankHowdy Vorts, Watching the world financials try to function can give one pause. There is a problem. The world has been operating on model based on a quasi-Keynesian theory of economics since FDR's New Deal of the 1930's. That model served until JFK paid his debt to big labor and LBJ used

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Are you having as good a weekend as I think you are Richard? P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:35:29 AM Subject: [VO]: Economic models Blank BODY { MARGIN-TOP:25px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:25px

RE: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Eric Beinhocker examines a new model for economics in THE ORIGIN OF WEALTH: The Radical Remaking of Economics and What It Means for Business and Society. Pretty provocative and it may answer Richard's criterion. Good weekend, all. image001.gif

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Jones Beene
Well, I ordered the book based on the less than enthusiastic (first) review on the Amazon site. The economic ideas seems rather logical, but perhaps too idealist and remote for use in actual decision making, as opposed to practical solutions to present problems. Speaking of practicality - has

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:23:04 AM Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models Well, I ordered the book based on the less than enthusiastic (first) review on the Amazon site. The economic ideas seems rather logical, but perhaps

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:42:16 PM Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: You don't even have to convert coal to methanol... When you consider how much energy is used by many manufacturing processes, to name but one major energy using sector, converting

Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war

2007-11-17 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Jones wrote: ``... Of course the same process can be taken a step further, to produce methanol on a large scale. Not only are the emissions of this syn-gas plant on Florida well below regulatory limits - it is one of the cleanest coal-based power plants in the world - since the sulfur content of

Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war

2007-11-17 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
their bank balances substantially, but those who (apparently) do, sure stand out. P. - Original Message From: Taylor J. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:51:47 PM Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war Jones wrote

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Nick Palmer
Philip Winestone ranted The main problem, as I believe we all know, is that the green crowd don't want us burning ANYTHING, so the proposal to dig up coal and use if for ANYTHING will be met with fierce resistance, mostly by bigmouths. See the very latest report from the IPCC released a day

RE: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war

2007-11-17 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
-Original Message- From: R.C.Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [VO]: Economic models -- Kondrateiff peak war Jack Smith wrote.. Also, push now for commuter rail so we have so way to get around when

Re: [VO]: Economic models

2007-11-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 17, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Nick Palmer wrote: Philip Winestone ranted The main problem, as I believe we all know, is that the green crowd don't want us burning ANYTHING, so the proposal to dig up coal and use if for ANYTHING will be met with fierce resistance, mostly by bigmouths.