I agree too that most of incentive in Science is status (science in real
life is very like political in a way as my dear MP secretary explained to
me).
about removing older people from decision, I think it can be evil too.
From decision maybe, but from discussion no.
I see that older people
The scientific approach, of course, would be two establish two groups, one
a control group and the other a treatment group where the treatment is
the proposed change, in this case the age limit.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
I agree too that most
Fusion on Wikipedia japanes and chinese
I agree too that most of incentive in Science is status (science in real life
is very like political in a way as my dear MP secretary explained to me).
about removing older people from decision, I think it can be evil too.
From decision maybe, but from
Being one of the old people, I would like to share my impression of
this issue.
Most young people are ignorant, self-centered, and without much
imagination. When they become old people, most remain ignorant, self-
centered, and without imagination. Growing old simply gives a person
who
Hi I signed up for this newsletter a few days ago. I guess I am answering
the wrong way. Let me know the right way and I will do it correct.
Just could not sit and listen to some of the the comments. Read Edmund
Storms comment a couple of times. I am a rather old guy and I am working in
the field
MARKET YOURSELF AND YOUR IDEAS
It seems to me that a LENR system is a jigsaw puzzle make up of 10,000
pieces. How do you hold the interest of a customer of the LENR concept long
enough for them to endure the hard job of learning about all those
thousands of obscure pieces? Especially when the
will
be understood and we will all look back and see how the evidence was there
the entire time.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion on Wikipedia japanes and chinese
we can discuss on intrinsic qualities linked to age, and I would mostly
agree. interpersonal differences are more important that the average
changes in character with age...
Experience, and time in the system have more impact than age... experience
, and lack of experience have respective
Regarding: Experience, and time in the system have more impact than age
Brian David Josephson, is a Welsh physicist. He became a Nobel Prize
laureate in 1973 for the prediction of the eponymous Josephson Effect.
You would normally assume that this fine and clever fellow would have some
@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2013 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion on Wikipedia japanes and chinese
I agree too that most of incentive in Science is status (science in
real life is very like political in a way as my dear MP secretary explained
to me).
about removing older people from
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Being one of the old people, I would like to share my impression of this
issue.
Most young people are ignorant, self-centered, and without much
imagination. When they become old people, most remain ignorant,
self-centered, and without imagination. .
I think this is inverted in the LENR community.
TG
On Wed, 25 Sep
2013 16:49:57 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
Being one of the old people, I would like to share my impression of
this issue.
Most young people are ignorant, self-centered, and without
much imagination.
Ooh! That was an anser to Jeds post. Not to Storms post.
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 01:27:04 +0200, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote:
I think this is inverted in the LENR community.
TG
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:49:57 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Being one of
Obviously originality in physics is age related, but that is just a side
effect when it comes to the gate keepers being tiresomely set in their ways.
The reason for that is explained by Jerry Pournelle's iron law.
Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic
To get back on track:
Yes the Jasons started out as a way for young men to breakthrough the
bureaucratic types and yes the Jasons has now been occupied by the likes of
Nate Lewis, who was listed as third author of the Jasons report: Reducing
DoD Fossil-Fuel
I agree.
You make choices from the one available, from your data...
and what you can do beyond you own person, of often null...
the question is how much evil can do motivated people defending a Cause...
Some says that since people are more dangerous than bandits.
Milgram experiment show that
By the way trying to get biographical data on Rossi, I found that
newenergytimes is cited many times against rossi...
it seems Fringe site have a different meaning when it attack rossi...
LENR-CANR is never cited, while there is no comparison about which is the
most Fringe.
so much lack of
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a similar unenlightened self-interest at work in preventing the
proper development and deployment of LENR. It is intelligent in that
sense and it has no incentive to
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There is also opposition from many ordinary people and many stupid people
at places like Wikipedia
In all of these cases we're dealing with the incentives of social status
more than authority structure.
I agree. I would say it is ordinary primate
Ironically:
*JASON* is an independent group of scientists which advises the United
States
governmenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States
on
matters of science and technology. *The group was first created as a way to
get a younger generation of scientists*—that
Something else from the Jasons Wikipedia
articlehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JASON_(advisory_group)
:
In 2002, DARPA decided to cut its ties with JASON. DARPA had not only been
one of JASON's primary sponsors, it was also the channel through which
JASON received funding from other sponsors.
Looking around for information on which Jasons might be more interested in
LENR and national security than peer pressure, I found the study Reducing
DoD Fossil-Fuel Dependencehttp://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/fossil.pdf.
Clearly the author(s) of this study would be great candidates to
Did you notice that Cold fusion was treated much more in a balanced way in
Chinese and japanese .
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E6%B8%A9%E6%A0%B8%E8%9E%8D%E5%90%88
translated:
Years ago some Americans opposed to cold fusion tried to change this
article, and they tried to ban LENR-CANR.org. A Japanese moderator asked
them not to.
- Jed
Of course LENR is denied by the West. The technology is a real and
profound danger to the West. It would undermine the economics of the
energy industries, on which the West is built, and it would give the
Third world, including China and India, great advantage. The people in
charge in the
It is hard for me to imagine that it is an intelligent desire to protect
economic rent for few against the western population...
Having worked in finance, in Internet bubble, I would rather blame it on
individual weakness (selfishness, ambition, greed, self delusion,
submission to easy) sewed to
The homeostatic mechanisms of these systems embody a kind of intelligence
that is all-too-frequently attributed to conspiracy. This is complicated
by the fact that genuine conspiratorial behavior is sometimes involved. It
is further complicated by the vague definition of conspiracy as the word
I agree, stupidly is certainly at the core of the problem. I think
the atom bomb provides a useful example of the situation. Early
during WWII, scientists understood that Germany was working on the
atom bomb and if they were successful, the power structure of the
world would change.
James, I have no idea what you mean to say here. No conspiracy is
involved or implied. The effect of LENR on the world's economy is
obvious to anyone who understands economics. This is reality, not some
proposed crazy idea.
On Sep 23, 2013, at 10:46 AM, James Bowery wrote:
The
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Of course LENR is denied by the West. The technology is a real and profound
danger to the West. It would undermine the economics of the energy
industries, on which the West is built, and it would give the Third world,
including China and India, great
Sorry, Ed, I should have clarified that I wasn't referring to you as having
posited a conspiracy theory. My abstractions may have been a bit too for
the present conversation...
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
James, I have no idea what you mean to
I wrote:
These improvements have been drastic in some cases. LED lighting takes
only about one-fifth of the electricity of incandescent lights.
Illumination is a large fraction of total energy use. See:
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=99t=3
QUOTE:
How much electricity is used for
I agree Bob, the world is not managed in order to increase everyone's
benefit. Jed tends to be an optimist about the future while I and
apparently you as well are more of a realist. The world is in a mess.
The West has created an unstable and unsustainable economic structure
and many parts
my sad vision is there is no vision...
some people think they are right, using bad heuristics.
some follow them by selfish interest to get chocolate medal or to earn
their life
some follow just because they feel right when they follow
some get convinced because they have no culture
some shut up
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
For example, although the US is self-sufficient in energy, the cost is
controlled by the world market.
The U.S. is not self-sufficient in energy. We consume 97 quads. We import
24 quads (mainly oil) and export 10 quads (oil and coal). See:
I agree with your description when applied to the details, Alain.
However, the system is influenced by certain people based on their
self interest and wisdom, or lack thereof. We see this situation play
out throughout histoery. Some people use their power to improve while
others use it to
Good... perhaps I can try my approach from the angle opened up by the
problem of writing off capital investments in a debt saturated western
economy:
The bailout of the large financial institutions was an example of the kind
of 'panic' that results when a massive write-off of capital investments
Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
Dear Jed,
On 23-9-2013 20:13, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Furthermore, decreasing the cost of energy is likely to improve first
world economies sooner than it improves third world countries or China,
since we have more high tech, we have more ways to grow
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a similar unenlightened self-interest at work in preventing the
proper development and deployment of LENR. It is intelligent in that
sense and it has no incentive to become enlightened about its
self-interest.
There are therefore two
Dear Jed,
On 23-9-2013 20:13, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Furthermore, decreasing the cost of energy is likely to improve first
world economies sooner than it improves third world countries or
China, since we have more high tech, we have more ways to grow the
economy, and we import more energy per
40 matches
Mail list logo
