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You know that saying something like this is a moot point, right? 2016-08-21 16:23 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > The mistakes you cite are imaginary. > > >

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Daniel Rocha wrote: Yes, seriously. But, that's expected since I see all IH claims with many > mistakes, inaccuracies. > No, you do not. You yourself do not believe I.H., but you have not found any mistakes or inaccuracies. You don't believe them because you do not want

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Yes, seriously. But, that's expected since I see all IH claims with many mistakes, inaccuracies. So, for me, it's the other way around. I see clearly ""We must excuse IH at any cost, with any fairy tale we can think of". And I pointed many of these. I don't have the parrot skill like Jed to repeat

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/Seriously?? /I knew people in college who would pull stunts like that, along with writing a bunch of made-up stuff on their resumes, but calling it "normal" and treating it as honest business-as-usual is just bizarre. The policy of "We must excuse Rossi at any cost, with any fairy tale we

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Could well be but I think Rossi originally stumbled on something by himself - that caused him too seek out Focardi. AA On 8/20/2016 8:39 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 7:22 PM, a.ashfield > wrote: Did it strike you

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I really thought of those. But I don't think they are in he correct path (Rossi is not in the right path at all too), which contains in the theory cracks. Akito's material does have cracks, at least he tries to make them when preparing the material, which he calls fractal structure. 2016-08-20

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 7:22 PM, a.ashfield wrote: Did it strike you as strange that Brillouin came up with a design very like > Rossi's after meeting with IH? > Not too strange! (1) People have been "replicating" Rossi for several years now. (2) Rossi learned from

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Did it strike you as strange that Brillouin came up with a design very like Rossi's after meeting with IH? AA On 8/20/2016 7:55 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Daniel Rocha > wrote: What are those? Peter

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: What are those? > Peter Hagelstein, Dennis Letts, Brillouin, perhaps others [1]. Eric http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/DardenInterview.pdf

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They can do a shoddy work on purpose, like they did with Rossi, claim they saw nothing and get the technology. Which would prompt these guys to sue them. But since they are small, they are pretty much screwed. 2016-08-20 19:18 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > Since they

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Daniel Rocha wrote: As usual. I hope though they are not duped by IH. > Since they actually have been given money, they were not duped. - Jed

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As usual. I hope though they are not duped by IH. 2016-08-20 18:33 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > That is not for me to say. >

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Daniel Rocha wrote: What are those? > > 2016-08-20 17:48 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > >> It is funding CF research. I know some of the researchers and projects it >> is funding. >> > That is not for me to say. If I.H. and the researchers wish to go

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What are those? 2016-08-20 17:48 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > It is funding CF research. I know some of the researchers and projects it > is funding. > >

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Daniel Rocha wrote: IH is not funding any CF research. > It is funding CF research. I know some of the researchers and projects it is funding. - Jed

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IH is not funding any CF research. 2016-08-20 15:53 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > You are saying that we should take $100 million away from cold fusion > research funding, >

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Daniel Rocha wrote: So, I Rossi deserves the money since they did not even care to bother with > the tests. They got to the point of misreading the type of flowmeter used. > They lack responsibility. They should indeed punished with 100 million, > even so because we have

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So, I Rossi deserves the money since they did not even care to bother with the tests. They got to the point of misreading the type of flowmeter used. They lack responsibility. They should indeed punished with 100 million, even so because we have in play a very important technology. 2016-08-19

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Perhaps. Or (1) perhaps that 11.5 million for the IP will have been worth the price if it helped to clear up a matter that had been continuing on in obscurity for some time and could have dragged on for many more years. Or (2) perhaps the IP is seen as a form of insurance, in that IH continue to

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Daniel Rocha wrote: That's just a turned off fan. > It is falling off the ceiling! It is not functional. It is the only fan that was there the whole time. There was no ventilation capable of dealing with 100 kW, never mind 1 MW. > If there wasn't anything during the

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That's just a turned off fan. If there wasn't anything during the test, IH is made of really, really stupid people with lots of money. 2016-08-19 22:42 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Oh, and after he removed it, he put up a broken old fan. > > Sure. > > - Jed > > -- Daniel

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Daniel Rocha wrote: after the test was over > Yes, yes. And it was invisible during the test. No one saw it or heard it. Oh, and after he removed it, he put up a broken old fan. Sure. - Jed

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On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06138749/filing-history > > A chinese company incorporated in england. > That is a different company, with a different name, and different people in charge. Nothing to do with Rossi's

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after the test was over 2016-08-19 18:32 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > He removed the equipment after the test was then. Then, much later, > someone from IH took a picture. > > 2016-08-19 15:04 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > >> >> You are saying he removed

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He removed the equipment after the test was then. Then, much later, someone from IH took a picture. 2016-08-19 15:04 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > You are saying he removed the ventilation equipment whenever anyone > visited, because no one saw it. >

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beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06138749/filing-history A chinese company incorporated in england. On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > That is an inactive corp with similar name. > Very interesting. > So or it is a lie that company was

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That is an inactive corp with similar name. Very interesting. So or it is a lie that company was created for the test or it is a weird coincidence there exists a company that was incorporated 20 years ago with basically the same name of the company Rossi's lawyer incorporated. You see, more and

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I think the name is JM chemical products llc. http://florida.intercreditreport.com/company/jm-chemical-inc-k92251 Date Of Incorporation 5/28/1989 On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Daniel Rocha

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On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > He would leave his equipment idlying there while he has better stuff to do? > You are saying he removed the ventilation equipment whenever anyone visited, because no one saw it. And yet the room did not become hot,

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He would leave his equipment idlying there while he has better stuff to do? 2016-08-19 12:16 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > No, he just removed his equipment after the test was done. The photo was > taken much after the test was done. He likely stuff instead of buying, > which

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No, he just removed his equipment after the test was done. The photo was taken much after the test was done. He likely stuff instead of buying, which is much cheaper. He won' 2016-08-19 11:25 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > Okay. So, do you think Rossi removed the ventilation

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Daniel Rocha wrote: It is surely disassembled facility. The hole is closed and the fans are > off. If Rossi were a scammer, he'd at least put some fake tubes going to > that hole. He did that before, in the 2011 test. > Okay. So, do you think Rossi removed the ventilation

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One more thing. The container and the room seem to be not connected. On the last page, notice the lack of tubes and a sign of infiltration just bellow a empty tube.

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It is surely disassembled facility. The hole is closed and the fans are off. If Rossi were a scammer, he'd at least put some fake tubes going to that hole. He did that before, in the 2011 test. 2016-08-18 22:37 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Look at the photos in Exhibit 26.

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Daniel Rocha wrote: So, IH was allowed to enter the room during the test? This must be fantasy, > then. > Look at the photos in Exhibit 26. The ceiling was above the test area and the reactor. They did not have to enter the room to see the vent and fan. - Jed

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So, IH was allowed to enter the room during the test? This must be fantasy, then. 2016-08-18 21:51 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > I think it was during the test. > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

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Daniel Rocha wrote: That company was opened with the objective of testing the device. Was the > picture taken before or after the test was made? > I think it was during the test. But what are you suggesting? That Rossi deliberately installed a beat up, non-working fan

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That company was opened with the objective of testing the device. Was the picture taken before or after the test was made? 2016-08-18 16:06 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > Your calculations prove there was no heat release of 1 MW, or anything > close to that. Look at the

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Daniel Rocha wrote: You have to check the calculations Allan Fletcher and I did. > Your calculations prove there was no heat release of 1 MW, or anything close to that. Look at the photo of the vent and fan in Exhibit 26. You see that the fan is inoperable, and even if it

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Or IH's! 2016-08-17 15:23 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene : > Rossi’s attorney arises >

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Yes, that's a problem. So much that IH issued a patent with one of their people. 2016-08-17 12:09 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi : > > How in the right mind IH could offer to find a customer if the plant > didn't work? > >

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If you guys are right… there is another looming problem which could end this case before it gets underway. No one seems to have mentioned this but a serious difficulty for Rossi’s attorney arises once he is informed or realizes that his client has been dishonest in the complaint – such as

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You have to check the calculations Allan Fletcher and I did. 2016-08-17 11:43 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > > It is not big enough for 1 MW, or even 100 kW. > > >

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Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > IH accusation are so precise both in context and timing that it should > easy to show they are full of shit. > Yes. For example, if Mr. Bass actually exists they can have him testify. But they do not even need to rebut the specific

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*Daniel:Yes, let's wait for the judgment. Though I think JM was a company only made to test the product, since IH would not offer one to Rossi test. So, I don't think they are working anymore.* Daniel, or you not familiar with the entire story or you are very selective with your memory. When

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Daniel, It doesn't work in that way. You are coming up with conspiracy theory, after conspiracy theory. Again Occam Razor. One theory explains everything about Rossi, your way to explain away IH evidence is to say they are fabricating business cards, they are not giving away all the emails

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Daniel Rocha wrote: There's a vent on google maps. > It is not big enough for 1 MW, or even 100 kW. > And, IH not wanting a test? That's characterizing them as too much of > imbeciles, which I don't believe. > No one said they did not want a test. They did not ask for

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There's a vent on google maps. And, IH not wanting a test? That's characterizing them as too much of imbeciles, which I don't believe. 2016-08-17 11:12 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > As you see from the photos and other evidence, there are no vents or > coolers. There were

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Daniel Rocha wrote: Yes, let's wait for the judgment. Though I think JM was a company only made > to test the product, since IH would not offer one to Rossi test. > It was never part of the agreement that a company should test the product. That was Rossi's idea. JM did

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Yes, let's wait for the judgment. Though I think JM was a company only made to test the product, since IH would not offer one to Rossi test. So, I don't think they are working anymore. 2016-08-17 10:51 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Exactly. Suppose Bass is a real person. J.M.

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This is what the lawyers are being paid off. To make filthy rich people look like Little Red Riding Hood and Rossi, the Wolf. Regarding the emails, are you sure it's all in there? Were the servers containing the emails apprehended? 2016-08-17 10:17 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi

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Eric Walker wrote: > If IH have knowingly entered a fake business card as an exhibit before a > US federal court, and this is shown to be the case, it will be very bad > news for them, and perhaps for Jones Day if they also knew. It would be a > horrible legal

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As we mentioned before the only IH fault that can be deduced from the legal papers from both sides (a some common sense) is that IH was too naive and they didnt do enough due diligence (maybe enough for normal type of business but not enough for what was required in dealing with Rossi). While

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Either not obvious to me or you are biased against Rossy and are seeing things. 2016-08-17 2:15 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker : > Perhaps they're not obvious to you. > >

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: And you are pretty sassy. The most relevant parts, the physical ones, I > addressed already. > Not sassy -- just pointing out the obvious flaws in your reasoning. Perhaps they're not obvious to you. Eric

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And you are pretty sassy. The most relevant parts, the physical ones, I addressed already. 2016-08-17 2:09 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker : > The amended Answer is 64 pages, not including exhibits. You haven't > addressed all of it. You haven't addressed a fraction of it. Now

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I did it already. Look for it. > The amended Answer is 64 pages, not including exhibits. You haven't addressed all of it. You haven't addressed a fraction of it. Now you really are arguing for the sake of arguing.

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I did it already. Look for it. 2016-08-17 2:01 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker : > In order to make the case you want to make, you'll need to address each > and every point in the Answer. :) > >

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: I don't think they have a good legal case. Their arguments, as I posted > severak, do not hold well at all at to (at least my) scrutiny. So, they are > like hanging to the tip of their fingers to fall to an abyss. >

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*posted in several occasions 2016-08-17 1:53 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > I don't think they have a good legal case. Their arguments, as I posted > severak, do not hold well at all at to (at least my) scrutiny. So, they are > like hanging to the tip of their fingers to fall

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I don't think they have a good legal case. Their arguments, as I posted severak, do not hold well at all at to (at least my) scrutiny. So, they are like hanging to the tip of their fingers to fall to an abyss. They already have a good legal case; why risk it unnecessarily? > >

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Both of them. There is an assumption that Rossi is scaming, but not the > contrary. And your suggestion, it's like "my son would never rob/kill, he > was so good". > No -- my suggestion is not that IH are good

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Both of them. There is an assumption that Rossi is scaming, but not the contrary. And your suggestion, it's like "my son would never rob/kill, he was so good". 2016-08-17 1:43 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker : > >> Is your thought that it is a credible suggestion that IH entered in

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Yes, because there are many politicians that are just like this. > Is your thought that it is a credible suggestion that IH entered in a falsified business card, or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Eric

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Yes, because there are many politicians that are just like this. 2016-08-17 1:39 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker : > Do you disagree? > > >

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Entering with a suit against IH would also be bad for Rossi, from the > beginning, with so much holes and faults in their conduct. So, what I am > claiming it is that if Rossi is not in his right mind, why not IH

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Entering with a suit against IH would also be bad for Rossi, from the beginning, with so much holes and faults in their conduct. So, what I am claiming it is that if Rossi is not in his right mind, why not IH people? 2016-08-17 0:32 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker : > It would be a

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: The card [entered into evidence in a US federal court by IH] can be nothing > more than a falsification. Is there any testimonies if anyone from JM > offered the card, at least? Or that it was printed by anyone from JM

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There is doubt about the authenticity of the engineer by Planet IH, so I will push further, there is proof that is a card offered by JM. The card can be nothing more than a falsification. Is there any testimonies if anyone from JM offered the card, at least? Or that it was printed by anyone from

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I believe these photos were taken by Takahiro Bessho. See: http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/11/12/japanese-photographer-brings-out-the-beauty-of-airports-and-factories-in-gorgeous-night-images/ Here are some that include Japanese text: doseng.org/foto/55450-yaponskie-zavody-34-foto.html The

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So, there's A Planet IH. 2016-08-16 20:46 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > I.H. says, and I trust them. >

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Daniel Rocha wrote: How do you know that? [Mr. Bass does not exist] > I do not know it for sure, but that is what I.H. says, and I trust them. They say that in the Answer: "Despite diligent search, Counter-Plaintiffs have not been able to identify or locate “Bass,” for

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How do you know that? 2016-08-16 18:09 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > In any case, Mr. Bass does not exist >

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With Rossi is never just one item but the entire sequence of lies, misdirections, excuses, bs of any kind. We are already dealing with something most scientists says it should not happen (let's please break one physics law at the time) but when you add all this misbehavior in business, human

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Daniel Rocha wrote: Yeah, I think it's normal. > Your notions of what is normal are different from mine. If someone gave me a business card with a photo of a factory, I would assume that is his companies factory. If I found out his company consisted of one room in a

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Yeah, I think it's normal. Chemical plants are pretty much generic. It's like using stock photos on ads. 2016-08-16 18:03 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > >> Do you think it is normal to give someone a business card with a stock >> photo of a chemical plant in another country;

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Daniel Rocha wrote: Just a coincidence. There is no association between market segments. > Don't you find it a little suspicious that the business card shows a chemical plant in Japan? That plant has nothing to do with JM Chemicals. Do you think it is normal to give

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Just a coincidence. There is no association between market segments. 2016-08-16 15:29 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi : > But purposefully misleading. >

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I wrote: > I don't think so. This is just a random picture. >> > > I think it is a stock photo of a large chemical plant. > Ah, ha! Someone found the image. It is here: http://acidcow.com/pics/16423-plants-in-japan-35-pics.html So . . . Mr. Bass is from Japan. Interesting . . . - Jed

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But purposefully misleading. Like the name "A derivation of Johnson Matthew platinum sponges". Rossi misspelled it. Sloppy and amateurish, like the card. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > I don't think

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Why not? 2016-08-16 15:14 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi : > It happened randomly. >

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Daniel Rocha wrote: I don't think so. This is just a random picture. > I think it is a stock photo of a large chemical plant. - Jed

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Right, and random name too, just a "w" instead of "y" identical to a well known company that deals in platinum products. It happened randomly. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > I don't think so. This is just a random picture. > > 2016-08-16 14:45

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Also it is obvious that Rossi made an initial mistake in calling "JM Products" a derivative of Johnson Matthew Platinum Sponges. He was trying to give the impression to IH that JM was associated with Johnson Matthey (with a y) and he did a sloppy thing, Rossi being sloppy as usual and he wrote

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I don't think so. This is just a random picture. 2016-08-16 14:45 GMT-03:00 Giovanni Santostasi : > So comical. > Even the business card is misleading. >

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and this is everything the poor guys have, world wide? peter On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > So comical. > Even the business card is misleading. It shows a huge chemical plant when > all the operations were done in a small 6000 sqr ft

[Vo]:JM Products misleading business card.

So comical. Even the business card is misleading. It shows a huge chemical plant when all the operations were done in a small 6000 sqr ft warehouse in a commercial and not industrial zone. Everything Rossi's related is always misleading, false, fake and full of smoke and mirrors. See IH lawsuit