Yeah, it wasnt the most rousing of harrison novels (im a huge
stainless steel rat fan, myself)
oh, well, perhaps I'm just paranoid. yeah, pretty much.
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>
> On 12/04/2009 06:45 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote:
>>
>> (If it's a little pois
On 12/04/2009 06:45 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote:
(If it's a little poisonous to humans, well, what's it doing in a
food crop to start with? And if it's not even a little poisonous to
humans, why are there restrictions on how much of the toxin can be
present in the plant if it's to be sold as
--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Alexander Hollins wrote:
> From: Alexander Hollins
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 8:24 AM
> Its a comedy bit by george carlin,
> about "
t;> From: Alexander Hollins
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:53 PM
>> * Happens to be." "He
>> happens to be black." Like it's a fucking
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> From: Stephen A. Lawrence
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory
> (Follow-up)
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:55 PM
>
> It wasn't; I was mostly thinkin
On 12/04/2009 10:48 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
Just one more thing, apologies to Columbo: Stephen, you stated your feelings
against laboratory grown meat, as it would lower the price potentially further,
putting it even more in the price range of the 'poor.' If that was not your
implication,
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Alexander Hollins wrote:
> From: Alexander Hollins
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:53 PM
> * Happens to be." "He
> happens to be
s openly white. He just "happens to be" black.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Kyle Mcallister
wrote:
> See comments below...
>
>
> --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> From: Jed Rothwell
>> Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a labo
See comments below...
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> From: Jed Rothwell
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory
> (Follow-up)
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 3:02 PM
> Ric
If "we are what we eat" wouldn't eating sapien flesh make us more human(e)?
Terry
(If it's a little poisonous to humans, well, what's it doing in a
food crop to start with? And if it's not even a little poisonous to
humans, why are there restrictions on how much of the toxin can be
present in the plant if it's to be sold as food? Hmph.)
because people screamed "franken food
More about the limits to how much you can make from one cell:
Is cultured meat genetically-modified?
There is nothing in the production of cultured meat that necessarily
involves genetic modification. The cells that can be used to produce
cultured meat are muscle and stem cells from farm animal
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I think I read that a single cell could produce a significant
fraction of the world supply of meat, although it runs out
eventually. (Stops dividing.)
It shouldn't, not if it's a stem cell. Stem cells express telomerase.
Yes. I do not know why there is a limit,
On 12/04/2009 02:29 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
Do you know how much of the human genome is of recent (and ancie
On 12/04/2009 01:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
DNA is destroyed by cooking.
But prions aren't, and that's where mad cow comes from.
Ah yes. Good point. However, as Abd points out you can avoid this by
not eating the brain or spinal chord. And remember, this is cul
So then Jed sez: "Ah, then you know the wrong history, or you misinterpret
it, you poor dears."
I'm well aware there was far less freedom in all categories in the past, not
to mention elsewhere in the world today. My regret is that we are willingly
giving up what we have now to return to a form of
Alexander Hollins wrote:
I agree that the "raw food" movement in terms of some claims (that
the natural enzymes are needederr what? you digest them
into amino acids..) is wrong headed, but... losing nutrition from
NOT cooking it? enh?
Yes. That is a counter-intuitive conclusion, b
Rick Monteverde wrote:
>> Many right-wing commentators believe the trends are opposite,
>> and that freedom and self determination is decreasing.
>> These people don't know much about history.
What I wrote was a right-wing comment, precisely because I, as do "these
people", know enough about hi
I agree that the "raw food" movement in terms of some claims (that the
natural enzymes are needederr what? you digest them into
amino acids..) is wrong headed, but... losing nutrition from NOT
cooking it? enh?
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Alexander Hollins wrot
Jed wrote:
>> Many right-wing commentators believe the trends are opposite,
>> and that freedom and self determination is decreasing.
>> These people don't know much about history.
What I wrote was a right-wing comment, precisely because I, as do "these
people", know enough about history to kno
Alexander Hollins wrote:
But... your stomach acid dissolves it down. the genes from the meat
don't enter your body.
True, obviously. That's the whole point of digestion.
Wrangham makes this point in his discussion of the "raw food"
movements in the U.S. and Germany, which he thinks are mis
Rick Monteverde wrote:
>> We are now living in the golden age of self determination,
>> free market competition, and freedom from government interference.
That's changing, and fast.
That is true. The trend is accelerating. People can educate their
children at home, which would have been agai
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
If this is a comment about any kind of cultured meat -- beef, pork or
human -- then it
But... your stomach acid dissolves it down. the genes from the meat
don't enter your body.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
> Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
> that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is u
Jed Wrote:
>> We are now living in the golden age of self determination,
>> free market competition, and freedom from government interference.
That's changing, and fast.
R.
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
Do you know how much of the human genome is of recent (and ancient) viral
and bacterial origin? Are you aware of ho
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
DNA is destroyed by cooking.
But prions aren't, and that's where mad cow comes from.
Ah yes. Good point. However, as Abd points out you can avoid this by
not eating the brain or spinal chord. And remember, this is cultured
meat, which has big advantages in this r
But the mad cow prions are only found in the brain and spinal cord.
just dont eat that part!
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>
> On 12/04/2009 09:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>
>> Rick Monteverde wrote:
>>
>>> Well, let's start with KJ ("mad cow") and go on from there.
On 12/04/2009 09:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ ("mad cow") and go on from there. There's
something wrong with eating your own stuff. There's genes in there.
Code for
proteins that don't fold properly. Other stuff. Yuck. In fact eating
pork
(chi
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ ("mad cow") and go on from there. There's
something wrong with eating your own stuff. There's genes in there. Code for
proteins that don't fold properly. Other stuff. Yuck. In fact eating pork
(chimpanzee, etc.) might have similar drawbacks due to
day I check out.
- R.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:19 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
Rick Monteverde wrote:
>This
Jed sed: I read somewhere that they do work the muscles, and if they do not
it comes out like mush rather than meat.
Are you sure that wasn't an episode of "Better off Ted"?
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> Alexander Hollins wrote:
>>
>> Unless they artifically wor
Hey, Bob was never above stealing from human cultures, heh.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
wrote:
> Hollins sez:
>
>> There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly
>> are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT
>> eating your dear aunt was cons
Are you sure that wasn't an episode of "Better off Ted"?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Alexander Hollins wrote:
>
> Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
>> veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples'
>> palates.
>
On 12/01/2009 04:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chimpanzees love to eat other primates, so evidently primates like the
taste of primates, and we probably would too. Chimpanzee and other
primate meat is popular (among people) in Africa. That's terrible,
because many of them are endangered.
It
Alexander Hollins wrote:
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually
killed, and served up to their tribe.
Oh come now. I have never heard that before! Which tribes?
NOT eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit.
As I mentioned, this
On 12/01/2009 03:56 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote:
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually
killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT eating your dear aunt was
considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit. Very tight family
dynamics.
Right -- google "kuru" for
Steven V Johnson wrote:
I'm curious. Why do you suspect you might hesitate to sample it? Is it
still a cultural issue, like it might be for me? Do you suspect there
might be some part of your psyche that still believes it would be like
eating "people" . . .
Maybe slightly, but I tend to have a
Hollins sez:
> There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly
> are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT
> eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting
> to her spirit. Very tight family dynamics.
They must have read "Stranger in a Strange Land".
Regards
Stev
You are flashing on the "foodstuff" known as 'Soylent green' correct?
Tagline :) It's the year 2022... People are still the same. They'll do
anything to get what they need. And they need SOYLENT GREEN.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Monteverde
This is rather scary. If they can do pig
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually
killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT eating your dear aunt was
considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit. Very tight family
dynamics.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
wrote:
> Jed sez
>
>>
Alexander Hollins wrote:
agreed. even better, that same technology would mean growing
replacement meat, skin and wait for it
ORGANS!
And it doesn't stop there. As Jon Stewart recently pointed out, your
organs can organize against you. They conspire against you! See:
The 11/3 Proje
Jed sez
> Seriously, so what? I honestly don't find anything scary about it. I admit I
> might hesitate to try the stuff myself. But I am not an adventurous eater.
I'm curious. Why do you suspect you might hesitate to sample it? Is it
still a cultural issue, like it might be for me? Do you suspec
agreed. even better, that same technology would mean growing
replacement meat, skin and wait for it
ORGANS!
and remember, its boil a bicep, fry an organ.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Rick Monteverde wrote:
>
>> This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could lo
Rick Monteverde wrote:
This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could long pig be far behind?
Seriously, so what? I honestly don't find anything scary about it. I
admit I might hesitate to try the stuff myself. But I am not an
adventurous eater.
I do not see any moral problem with this, o
This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could long pig be far behind?
Soilent is...
R.
Yeah, I commented before reading the article, my bad.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Alexander Hollins wrote:
>
>> Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
>> veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples'
>> palates.
>
>
Jed sez:
> Just imagine what this guy will say when meat from the cells of homo sapiens
> comes
> on the market.
>
> I think that is inevitable. See Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "Food of the
> Gods."
I must confess that my first reaction was one of revulsion. Me??? A
practicing cannibal T
Jed sez:
...
> Just imagine what this guy will say when meat from the cells of homo sapiens
> comes on the market.
>
> I think that is inevitable. See Arthur C. Clarke's short story, "Food of the
> Gods."
aka "long pork".
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/long_pork
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
w
Steven V Johnson quoted someone:
Being grown on a dish does not remove it from it's biological origins
having been acquired from an animal... Metaphysically will continue to
be an extension of the donor, and give for very warped outcomes in
post biological existence/after life. . . .
I love it
Alexander Hollins wrote:
Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples'
palates.
I read somewhere that they do work the muscles, and if they do not it
comes out like mush rather than meat.
I expect t
Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples'
palates.
as for the "metaphysical" resistance. What a maroon.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:50 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
wrote:
> Steven Vincent Jo
Steven Vincent Johnson sez:
>Jed,
>
> You might enjoy the following article from Times OnLine:
>
> "Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory"
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece
> http://tinyurl.com/ycq7w86
Oh dear! I just HAVE to share one of the comments made b
Jed,
You might enjoy the following article from Times OnLine:
"Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece
http://tinyurl.com/ycq7w86
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
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