On 12/04/2009 06:45 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote:
(If it's a little poisonous to humans, well, what's it doing in a
food crop to start with? And if it's not even a little poisonous to
humans, why are there restrictions on how much of the toxin can be
present in the plant if it's to be sold
Yeah, it wasnt the most rousing of harrison novels (im a huge
stainless steel rat fan, myself)
oh, well, perhaps I'm just paranoid. yeah, pretty much.
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 12/04/2009 06:45 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote:
(If it's a
alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:53 PM
* Happens to be. He
happens to be black. Like it's a fucking
accident
--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 8:24 AM
Its a comedy bit
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ (mad cow) and go on from there. There's
something wrong with eating your own stuff. There's genes in there. Code for
proteins that don't fold properly. Other stuff. Yuck. In fact eating pork
(chimpanzee, etc.) might have similar drawbacks due to
On 12/04/2009 09:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ (mad cow) and go on from there. There's
something wrong with eating your own stuff. There's genes in there.
Code for
proteins that don't fold properly. Other stuff. Yuck. In fact eating
pork
But the mad cow prions are only found in the brain and spinal cord.
just dont eat that part!
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 12/04/2009 09:32 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Well, let's start with KJ (mad cow) and go on from
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
DNA is destroyed by cooking.
But prions aren't, and that's where mad cow comes from.
Ah yes. Good point. However, as Abd points out you can avoid this by
not eating the brain or spinal chord. And remember, this is cultured
meat, which has big advantages in this
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
Do you know how much of the human genome is of recent (and ancient) viral
and bacterial origin? Are you aware of
But... your stomach acid dissolves it down. the genes from the meat
don't enter your body.
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Rick Monteverde r...@highsurf.com wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
If this is a comment about any kind of cultured meat -- beef, pork or
human -- then it
Rick Monteverde wrote:
We are now living in the golden age of self determination,
free market competition, and freedom from government interference.
That's changing, and fast.
That is true. The trend is accelerating. People can educate their
children at home, which would have been against
Alexander Hollins wrote:
But... your stomach acid dissolves it down. the genes from the meat
don't enter your body.
True, obviously. That's the whole point of digestion.
Wrangham makes this point in his discussion of the raw food
movements in the U.S. and Germany, which he thinks are
Jed wrote:
Many right-wing commentators believe the trends are opposite,
and that freedom and self determination is decreasing.
These people don't know much about history.
What I wrote was a right-wing comment, precisely because I, as do these
people, know enough about history to know how
I agree that the raw food movement in terms of some claims (that the
natural enzymes are needederr what? you digest them into
amino acids..) is wrong headed, but... losing nutrition from NOT
cooking it? enh?
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
Many right-wing commentators believe the trends are opposite,
and that freedom and self determination is decreasing.
These people don't know much about history.
What I wrote was a right-wing comment, precisely because I, as do these
people, know enough about history .
Alexander Hollins wrote:
I agree that the raw food movement in terms of some claims (that
the natural enzymes are needederr what? you digest them
into amino acids..) is wrong headed, but... losing nutrition from
NOT cooking it? enh?
Yes. That is a counter-intuitive conclusion,
So then Jed sez: Ah, then you know the wrong history, or you misinterpret
it, you poor dears.
I'm well aware there was far less freedom in all categories in the past, not
to mention elsewhere in the world today. My regret is that we are willingly
giving up what we have now to return to a form of
On 12/04/2009 01:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
DNA is destroyed by cooking.
But prions aren't, and that's where mad cow comes from.
Ah yes. Good point. However, as Abd points out you can avoid this by
not eating the brain or spinal chord. And remember, this is
On 12/04/2009 02:29 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Sure it's propagated from a clean tested starter batch, etc. The problem is
that what you don't know can kill you, and there's so much that is unknown,
and so much that can kill you.
Do you know how much of the human genome is of recent (and
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I think I read that a single cell could produce a significant
fraction of the world supply of meat, although it runs out
eventually. (Stops dividing.)
It shouldn't, not if it's a stem cell. Stem cells express telomerase.
Yes. I do not know why there is a limit,
More about the limits to how much you can make from one cell:
Is cultured meat genetically-modified?
There is nothing in the production of cultured meat that necessarily
involves genetic modification. The cells that can be used to produce
cultured meat are muscle and stem cells from farm
(If it's a little poisonous to humans, well, what's it doing in a
food crop to start with? And if it's not even a little poisonous to
humans, why are there restrictions on how much of the toxin can be
present in the plant if it's to be sold as food? Hmph.)
because people screamed franken food
If we are what we eat wouldn't eating sapien flesh make us more human(e)?
Terry
See comments below...
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory
(Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com, vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 3:02
, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Kyle Mcallister
kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
See comments below...
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory
(Follow-up)
To: vortex-l
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory (Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:53 PM
* Happens to be. He
On 12/04/2009 10:48 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
Just one more thing, apologies to Columbo: Stephen, you stated your feelings
against laboratory grown meat, as it would lower the price potentially further,
putting it even more in the price range of the 'poor.' If that was not your
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Scientists grow pork meat in a laboratory
(Follow-up)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:55 PM
It wasn't; I was mostly thinking
Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples'
palates.
as for the metaphysical resistance. What a maroon.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:50 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Alexander Hollins wrote:
Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples'
palates.
I read somewhere that they do work the muscles, and if they do not it
comes out like mush rather than meat.
I expect
Steven V Johnson quoted someone:
Being grown on a dish does not remove it from it's biological origins
having been acquired from an animal... Metaphysically will continue to
be an extension of the donor, and give for very warped outcomes in
post biological existence/after life. . . .
I love
Jed sez:
...
Just imagine what this guy will say when meat from the cells of homo sapiens
comes on the market.
I think that is inevitable. See Arthur C. Clarke's short story, Food of the
Gods.
aka long pork.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/long_pork
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez:
Just imagine what this guy will say when meat from the cells of homo sapiens
comes
on the market.
I think that is inevitable. See Arthur C. Clarke's short story, Food of the
Gods.
I must confess that my first reaction was one of revulsion. Me??? A
practicing cannibal That’s
Yeah, I commented before reading the article, my bad.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alexander Hollins wrote:
Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most peoples'
This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could long pig be far behind?
Soilent is...
R.
Rick Monteverde wrote:
This is rather scary. If they can do pig, could long pig be far behind?
Seriously, so what? I honestly don't find anything scary about it. I
admit I might hesitate to try the stuff myself. But I am not an
adventurous eater.
I do not see any moral problem with this,
agreed. even better, that same technology would mean growing
replacement meat, skin and wait for it
ORGANS!
and remember, its boil a bicep, fry an organ.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rick Monteverde wrote:
This is rather scary. If they
Jed sez
Seriously, so what? I honestly don't find anything scary about it. I admit I
might hesitate to try the stuff myself. But I am not an adventurous eater.
I'm curious. Why do you suspect you might hesitate to sample it? Is it
still a cultural issue, like it might be for me? Do you suspect
Alexander Hollins wrote:
agreed. even better, that same technology would mean growing
replacement meat, skin and wait for it
ORGANS!
And it doesn't stop there. As Jon Stewart recently pointed out, your
organs can organize against you. They conspire against you! See:
The 11/3
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually
killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT eating your dear aunt was
considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit. Very tight family
dynamics.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
You are flashing on the foodstuff known as 'Soylent green' correct?
Tagline :) It's the year 2022... People are still the same. They'll do
anything to get what they need. And they need SOYLENT GREEN.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Monteverde
This is rather scary. If they can do pig,
Hollins sez:
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly
are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT
eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting
to her spirit. Very tight family dynamics.
They must have read Stranger in a Strange Land.
Regards
Steven
Steven V Johnson wrote:
I'm curious. Why do you suspect you might hesitate to sample it? Is it
still a cultural issue, like it might be for me? Do you suspect there
might be some part of your psyche that still believes it would be like
eating people . . .
Maybe slightly, but I tend to have a
On 12/01/2009 03:56 PM, Alexander Hollins wrote:
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually
killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT eating your dear aunt was
considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit. Very tight family
dynamics.
Right -- google kuru for
Alexander Hollins wrote:
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly are ritually
killed, and served up to their tribe.
Oh come now. I have never heard that before! Which tribes?
NOT eating your dear aunt was considered dreadfully insulting to her spirit.
As I mentioned, this
On 12/01/2009 04:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chimpanzees love to eat other primates, so evidently primates like the
taste of primates, and we probably would too. Chimpanzee and other
primate meat is popular (among people) in Africa. That's terrible,
because many of them are endangered.
It
Are you sure that wasn't an episode of Better off Ted?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alexander Hollins wrote:
Unless they artifically work the muscles, it will likely be similar to
veal, softer, less gamey meat. IE, higher quality to most
Hey, Bob was never above stealing from human cultures, heh.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hollins sez:
There are cultures where, at a certain age, the elderly
are ritually killed, and served up to their tribe. NOT
eating your
Jed sed: I read somewhere that they do work the muscles, and if they do not
it comes out like mush rather than meat.
Are you sure that wasn't an episode of Better off Ted?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Alexander Hollins wrote:
Unless they
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