[Vo]:FW: [Starfleet Command] Puthoff's Casimir model vs. Jack's ZPE dark matter model: it's dark matter's gravity not dark energy's antigravity that stabilizes the electron

2011-06-02 Thread francis
Interesting email from Puthoff to Sarfatti Yahoo group. From: sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JACK SARFATTI Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:58 PM To: puth...@aol.com Cc: Creon Levit; jfwoodw...@juno.com woodward;

[Vo]:Cold fusion not discovered

2011-06-02 Thread fznidarsic
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/01/no-italian-scientists-have-not-discovered-cold-fusion/

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion not discovered

2011-06-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Frank: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/01/no-italian-scientists-have-not-discovered-cold-fusion/ Old news. Check the date. The Gizmodo article was published back in January 26, 2011 - less than two weeks after the initial January 14 test was conducted. Popular Science, the on-line version,

Re: [Vo]:Many Worlds and Multiverse are the SAME THING (?)

2011-06-02 Thread Rich Murray
Joel Goldsmith: God is the substance of all being. Individual being-awareness is God-Being-Awareness. Each of us already being all of single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity, always shimmering along all possible corridors of meaning, the putative present, the constantly evolving

Re: [Vo]:Many Worlds and Multiverse are the SAME THING (?)

2011-06-02 Thread Rich Murray
A Course in Miracles: Creation is the holy Son of God, for in creation is His Will complete in every aspect, making every part container of the whole. Its oneness is forever guaranteed inviolate; forever held within His holy Will, beyond all possibility of harm, of separation, imperfection and of

[Vo]:Is this our Mirror Twin ?

2011-06-02 Thread Jones Beene
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2011/06/milky-way-t win-staggers-skywatchers/1 In Shadowlands, Quest for Mirror Matter in the Universe Robert Foot describes a mirror universe. In his conception, every particle and force is a reflection of our own ordinary particles (they

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion not discovered

2011-06-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:48 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Frank: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/01/no-italian-scientists-have-not-discovered-cold-fusion/ Old news. Hey, you don't suppose that the reason AR has new found success in energy production

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-06-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Joshua: ... I have no idea about any of that. Whether Rossi believes it, whether he is deliberately cheating, who else could be in on it. I have no idea. I just know I haven't seen any evidence the thing is real. And I know that if the claims were real, it would not be hard to show

Re: [Vo]:Is this our Mirror Twin ?

2011-06-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2011/06/milky-way-t win-staggers-skywatchers/1 In Shadowlands, Quest for Mirror Matter in the Universe Robert Foot describes a mirror universe. Maybe one day we

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:33 PM 6/1/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: (a comment that is diagnostic as to his condition and extreme bias.) On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Cude ... as long as Rossi uses his own designates to report measurements,

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:pesn.com: Cold Fusion #1 Claims NASA Chief

2011-06-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:36 AM 6/2/2011, you wrote: Not being very competent or informed, I searched Google to find expert critiques of Widom-Larsen theory: Well, no theories should be rejected completely, because it's always possible that a theory is merely incomplete. I've never seen an explanation of W-L

Re: [Vo]:pesn.com: Cold Fusion #1 Claims NASA Chief

2011-06-02 Thread Jones Beene
Abd, ...you may have missed the most obvious counter-point of all. The study of ultra cold neutrons is mainstream and well-known; yet it bears no resemblance at all to the wild-eyed claims of W-L. Ergo, how does one distinguish between ultra cold neutrons and ultra low momentum neutrons - and

RE: [Vo]:Cold fusion not discovered

2011-06-02 Thread Jones Beene
Doubt it ! There could be a connection, however - between ANY kind of LENR and increased solar neutrino output, and the E-Cat would be no exception - but is there any evidence from anywhere else that the same experiment performs better this year than a few years ago? (much less hundreds of times

Re: [Vo]:pesn.com: Cold Fusion #1 : Rossi Invitation

2011-06-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi June 2nd, 2011 at 9:09 AM Dear Mr Paul Esteban: 1- I did not meet Dr Dennis Bushnell 2- I think Dr Bushnell explained his point of view with equilibrium and candor. I appreciate his honest interview. I do not agree upon the theoretical issue, I do not think we have a beta decay,

Re: [Vo]:Many Worlds and Multiverse are the SAME THING (?)

2011-06-02 Thread MJ
Which god would be that? There are so many true gods around... MJ On 02-Jun-11 11:11, Rich Murray wrote: A Course in Miracles: Creation is the holy Son of God, for in creation is His Will complete in every aspect, making every part container of the whole. Its oneness is forever

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion not discovered

2011-06-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:ssentially Quetzalcoatl notwithstanding. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1392797/Unseen-1-800-years-Archaeologists-120m-tunnel-leading-funeral-chambers-deep-ancient-Mexican-city.html Both here and in Egypt

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-06-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:15 AM 6/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: I just know I haven't seen any evidence the thing is real. This is typical pseudoskepticism. Instead of I haven't seen evidence that convinces me, it's a denial that evidence exists. It's very obvious that there is evidence the thing is real, or

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: CudeMaybe, but Rossi OK'd them. Lomax Yes, he did. However, the point was that this was not simply what Cude claimed, using his own designates. OK. I used the wrong word. I don't think my message is

Re: [Vo]:pesn.com: Cold Fusion #1 : Rossi Invitation

2011-06-02 Thread Axil Axil
The entire Rossi nation is fixated on how nickel becomes copper. There is no Rossi theory on how a dozen low Z elements are transmuted from Nickel (they are not). Nickel cannot fission because it is the most stable of elements. If Rossi does claims fission of nickel to light Z elements, he must

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-06-02 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Cude I just know I haven't seen any evidence the thing is real. Lomax This is typical pseudoskepticism. Instead of I haven't seen evidence that convinces me, it's a denial that evidence exists. I agree that's

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Joshua Please answer the message re our Protocol. Let's focus on future- we are not historians and cannot change the Past. Peter On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-06-02 Thread Rich Murray
reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re electrolytic cells -- metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of polyethylene insulation power cable, T Kumazawa et al 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.02 Last year I sent some long posts to Abd Lomax and Ed

Re: [Vo]:Is this our Mirror Twin ?

2011-06-02 Thread Drowning Trout
*Parallel Universes * Mainstream science: The idea of multiple universes is more than a fantastic invention—it appears naturally within several scientific theories, and deserves to be taken seriously *LENR* Mainstream science: Now that's just ridiculous! On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Terry

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:06 PM 6/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: CudeMaybe, but Rossi OK'd them. Lomax Yes, he did. However, the point was that this was not simply what Cude claimed, using his own designates.

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-06-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:28 PM 6/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: And I know that if the claims were real, it would not be hard to show clear evidence that it is real. That's correct. But Joshua draws a conclusion from that which is simply a leap of faith. If it were not hard to show, therefore, it would be

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:04 PM 6/2/2011, Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Joshua Please answer the message re our Protocol. Let's focus on future- we are not historians and cannot change the Past. If we were, perhaps we would change it cheerfully?

Re: [Vo]:pesn.com: Cold Fusion #1 : Rossi Invitation

2011-06-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:07:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] The entire Rossi nation is fixated on how nickel becomes copper. There is no Rossi theory on how a dozen low Z elements are transmuted from Nickel (they are not). Nickel cannot fission because it is the most stable of

[Vo]:Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2011-06-02 Thread frank znidarsic via LinkedIn
LinkedIn frank znidarsic requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- michael, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - frank Accept invitation from frank znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Rossi isn't in the least interested in pleasing Joshua. True. But he's doing demos. And I'm free to explain why they don't convince me, and what would. Which, by the way, would include opprobrium and even

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude at it

2011-06-02 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Cling to my belief? What belief? I've been pointing out that Rossi has very sound reasons to avoid convincing many at this point. You're suggesting Rossi makes his demos deliberately unconvincing. Yet he does

Re: [Vo]:pesn.com: Cold Fusion #1 : Rossi Invitation

2011-06-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I have already explained this several times. You continue to ignore my explanations, and pretend they don't exist. AA has perfected the art of ignore. T

[Vo]:New BLP commercial - On You Tube

2011-06-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I think this is fairly new. (May 29, 2011?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KP7lhVa0hg Possible prelude to new presentations or demonstrations? Inquiring minds want to know! Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: So, the best evidence you have for CF is from an experiment in 1994, in which the excess heat is a few per cent . . . A few percent of what? The error margin? Look at the bottom. One problem I have with those results. When the current shuts off,

Re: [Vo]:New BLP commercial - On You Tube

2011-06-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:03 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I think this is fairly new. (May 29, 2011?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KP7lhVa0hg Possible prelude to new presentations or demonstrations? Inquiring minds want to know! The source is from

RE: [Vo]:New BLP commercial - On You Tube

2011-06-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Terry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KP7lhVa0hg Possible prelude to new presentations or demonstrations? Inquiring minds want to know! The source is from Switzerland. Can't find anything on the BLP web site. I noticed that the You Tube link was posted by someone with a

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Cude So, the best evidence you have for CF is from an experiment in 1994, in which the excess heat is a few per cent . . . Rothwell A few percent of what? The error margin? Look at the bottom. A few percent of the

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Rothwell A few percent of what? The error margin? Look at the bottom. A few percent of the input (5 to 10), and total of about 1/2 watt. Well, I would not call 10% a few, but okay. McKubre observed 300% in other cases, which I would definitely not

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:17 PM 6/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: Reputable scientists won't even look at the evidence! Most looked a long time ago, No. Most never actually looked at it, after enough evidence had accumulated to allow some kind of reasonable decision. That didn't happen until something like the

Re: [Vo]:New BLP commercial - On You Tube

2011-06-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
That is WEIRD. What is the point of airing it? Did BLP pay for it? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:test

2011-06-02 Thread Harry Veeder
After studying so hard I was expecting a B. sigh. Harry - Original Message From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 8:56:46 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:test On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: this is

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 11:05:32 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion At 07:17 PM 6/2/2011, Joshua

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: CudeIn slide 7 of that pdf that Lomax pointed to, the current density is shut off at about 610 (units?) and the excess power immediately goes to zero. Rothwell This cell is not in heat after death. Other cells have been.

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and a discussion of the chimera of cold fusion

2011-06-02 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Lomax Reputable scientists won't even look at the evidence! CudeMost looked a long time ago, LomaxNo. Most never actually looked at it, after enough evidence had accumulated to allow some kind of reasonable

Re: [Vo]:Many Worlds and Multiverse are the SAME THING (?)

2011-06-02 Thread Rich Murray
In an actual multidimensional creative fractal infinity, the tiniest point, uniquely individualized, is of the same order of infinity as the whole or any subset of the whole. The whole is beyond expression in words or concepts. God , the word, serves in our daily dream to point out the whole