Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-07 Thread Damon Craig
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Drop a stone into a pond to prove that this is wrong. Or check out a cool-mist humidifier. Turbulent boiling water also produces liquid droplets

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-07 Thread Damon Craig
I Wrote It takes only a one foot head of water to raise the boiling point of water to 101 C. I forgot to include the observation that liquid water would build-up in the exit hose. With the hose exist above floor level a head of water would obtain rendering a 101.1 reading completely meaningless.

[Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
July 6th, 2011 Dear interested party, You have received this email because you have shown an initial interest for commercial involvement with our company and our products based on Andrea Rossi’s e-Cat invention (exothermic reaction between Hydrogen and Nickel). Many have signed non disclosure

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
Can I borrow $58M? T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Rock_nj
Exactly the way free energy inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by selling dealerships. Why would Defka​lion need to sell dealerships to raise money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really starting to smell bad. On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Terry Blanton

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:54 AM 7/7/2011, Rock_nj wrote: Exactly the way free energy inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by selling dealerships. Why would Defka​lion need to sell dealerships to raise money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really starting to smell

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rock_nj rockn...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly the way free energy inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by selling dealerships. Why would Defka​lion need to sell dealerships to raise money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really starting to smell bad. This is

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry Sez: Can I borrow $58M? Well... according to my unorthodox Witch Doctor source, Rossi Associates are still in need of a lot of cash in order to finish basic RD. Despite certain misgivings already expressed here it seems to me that offering up dealerships might be a reasonable/legitimate

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Rock_nj
Jed. Time will tell. I sincerely hope I am wrong with my cynical view of the way Rossi and Defka​lion are doing things. I have been waiting as long as everyone to see a cold fusion related product reach the marketplace. We need it now more than ever with oil prices over $100 barrel and peak

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone else have any thoughts on the current status of Defkalion's piggy bank? The story is that they are funded by expat Greeks living in Canada to the tune of €400M. The funds are

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Terry: The story is that they are funded by expat Greeks living in Canada to the tune of €400M. The funds are allegedly committed but the actual status is not public, AFAIK. They have been approached with offers of more funding; but, they have smiled and said no thanks. That would

RE: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Iverson
Damon: What do you mean by this statement??? Water at 100 C does not boil and magically get 0.1 degree hotter as steam. What were they thinking? The temperature of steam can be anywhere from boiling point on up to hundreds of degrees... it all depends on pressure. -Mark _ From:

Re: [Vo]:Suppose the DoE were testing a device instead of the Greek Min. of Energy

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd's response strikes me as a lot of verbiage the obscures the point about these tests. I do not think there is any chance the Minister will allow people to blatantly lie about what his Ministry is doing. More to the point -- Defkalion says the government will issue reports and a license to

Re: [Vo]:Suppose the DoE were testing a device instead of the Greek Min. of Energy

2011-07-07 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: There is not the slightest chance the government will make a mistake measuring 450 W in and 20,000 W out. No engineer or scientists on planet earth could make a mistake on that scale. Perhaps not, but if it's true,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:01 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: That would seem to suggest that Defkalion will probably be able to pay salary utility bills through the end of the year... at least through October. ;-) I don't expect to see any IPOs any time

Re: [Vo]:Suppose the DoE were testing a device instead of the Greek Min. of Energy

2011-07-07 Thread Rich Murray
If I had been an ideological skeptic, certain all CF claims were bogus, erroneous, delusional or fraudulent, I would have been much quicker to see the obvious unproven aspects of the January 14 Rossi demo, and the consistent pattern of unproven claims in all the demos since. (I've always been

Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Alan J Fletcher
[ This message is delayed from yesterday's prison foo ] The defkalion search is working pretty well for me. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/search.php?keywords=terms=allauthor=Defkalion+GT A couple of goodies : Re: Who are we communicating with @ Defkalion GT

[Vo]:OT: Economic Disruptions of the Global and Domestic Kind

2011-07-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
In lieu of the potential disruptions to the global economy corporations like Defkalion might eventually unleash across the planet, I have a more personal story to tell of the economic disruptive kind. ...Another sign-of-the-times. A couple of weeks ago I bought an Apple i-Pad for, ahem...

RE: [Vo]:OT: Economic Disruptions of the Global and Domestic Kind

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Iverson
Steven wrote: Sigh... guess I'll have to get my own. Come on Steven, 'fess-up... that was your plan all along!!! ;-) Now you won't have to share... -Mark

[Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
Take a look at this video, simulating steam production at 1200W with a 4m long hose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVwINedGR_Q It does look like the swedish's magzine video, NyTeknik, including the weird sounds, around 1200W: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SeOteFPtM What do you think?

Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Re: Unban Stella_Nokia Recognize the anagram? T

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Take a look at this video, simulating steam production at 1200W with a 4m long hose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVwINedGR_Q It does look like the swedish's magzine video, NyTeknik, including the weird sounds,

RE: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Iverson
Nikola Tesla... -Mark _ From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:36 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Re:

RE: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Iverson
Josh wrote: Surely someone so brilliant to find the solution to the world's energy problems, should be able to design an airtight demonstration of it, that the galloping gourmet can't dispute. I'm sure Rossi could if he wanted to... he just doesn't have the time, and has stated that

RE: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:54 PM 7/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Nikola Tesla... Ahhh .

[Vo]:This is a hard-luck country-western ballad ISP?

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Good grief! Terry Blanton reports that this discussion group is being hosted on an ISP afflicted with the problems of a country-western hard-luck ballad; i.e., the dog died, Robert is in prison, and the singer's best friend left with the truck and the wife: That would be Carl. He's

Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:54 PM 7/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Nikola Tesla... Ahhh . It can't be him. He's dead. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
It is hard to tell, but that does look similar to NyTeknik's video. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Iverson
He also uses: Tinsel Koala -Mark _ From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:04 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff At 12:54 PM 7/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Nikola Tesla... Ahhh .

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
The woven works at 1700W.

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Jouni Valkonen
If considered that in E-Cat there is constantly flowing cool water to replenish boiled water, then it is quite obvious that 2.5 kilowatt is very much possible with Mats' E-Cat. However Steven's E-Cat was malfunctioning while video was shot. That stove was quite modern, therefore it is likely that

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
The original post is here: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.energikatalysatorn.se%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D143

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:48 PM 7/7/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: There's a Test 3 I haven't watched yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ser9_tGiU Oops -- that's a different one -- Mr Powerpuff. But it DOES show how water collects in the hose.

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Alan J Fletcher
[ Delayed by jail-house-mail -- should be BEFORE my comment on test3 ] At 11:16 AM 7/7/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: Take a look at this video, simulating steam production at 1200W with a 4m long hose: . What do you think? Not enough controls. But THIS guy's interesting TinselKoala

Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: He also uses: Tinsel Koala Yes, the same dude who allegedly made a self running whipmag motor based on a dream by a member of the Steorn forum. T

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: If considered that in E-Cat there is constantly flowing cool water to replenish boiled water, then it is quite obvious that 2.5 kilowatt is very much possible with Mats' E-Cat. I disagree. Heating the constant

Re: [Vo]:This is a hard-luck country-western ballad ISP?

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
Yeah, uh, a bit disconcerting. Just in case of a catastrophic failure of the Vortex-l list. I have created a yahoo group called Vortex-l Backup. The homepage is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vortex-l-backup and the email address is: vortex-l-bac...@yahoogroups.com Right now it is wide

RE: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Iverson
T: You mean a 'dream' like the one of the snake and carbon-ring structure? Did it work out? Was it another example of the unconscious mind solving the problem before the conscious mind became aware of it? -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent:

[Vo]:Defkalion comments on the role of the electric heater

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
This sounds like the heater is used only to bring the cell up to the operating temperature to trigger the reaction. I think they said the method of regulating the reaction is to vary gas pressure, rather than Rossi's method of changing the auxiliary electric heater power. There appear to be

[Vo]:Vortex-l Backup Resend

2011-07-07 Thread Terry Blanton
(Sorry if this shows up more than once) Just in case of a catastrophic failure of the Vortex-l list. I have created a yahoo group called Vortex-l Backup. The homepage is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vortex-l-backup and the email address is: vortex-l-bac...@yahoogroups.com Right now it is

[Vo]: Time-lapse of massive dust storm hitting Phoenix...

2011-07-07 Thread Mark Iverson
Amazing video (time-lapse) of massive dust storm in Phoenix, Arizona... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYnuzoH5oBAfeature=related Note the sky above the leading edge and how clouds form... Temperature and pressure must be changing quite dramatically. -Mark

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion comments on the role of the electric heater

2011-07-07 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:18 PM 7/7/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: This sounds like the heater is used only to bring the cell up to the operating temperature to trigger the reaction. I think they said the method of regulating the reaction is to vary gas pressure, rather than Rossi's method of changing the auxiliary

RE: [Vo]: Time-lapse of massive dust storm hitting Phoenix...

2011-07-07 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Yes, amazing looking. I've been in the middle of several of these and they can be really weird -- it can be dead calm as a cloud of dust slowly moves over. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011

Re: [Vo]: Time-lapse of massive dust storm hitting Phoenix...

2011-07-07 Thread Harry Veeder
How often does the city experience dust storms like that?   (Been having trouble posting all day) Harry From: Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 6:41:20 PM Subject: [Vo]: Time-lapse of massive dust storm hitting Phoenix... Amazing video

[Vo]:proposed electric heat only scheme for Rossi demos re heat and explosions: Rich Murray 2011.07.07

2011-07-07 Thread Rich Murray
proposed electric heat only scheme for Rossi demos re heat and explosions: Rich Murray 2011.07.07 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_07_01_archive.htm Thursday, July 7, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/89 [ you may have to Copy

[Vo]:the simulations of the e-Cat

2011-07-07 Thread Harry Veeder
The simulations are ironic because they suggest that the issue of steam quality was/is overblown.  The hose diameters are too small in both the stove demo and Tinsla Koala's demo, and Koala's hose is too short. From the Krivit video I would estimate the inside diameter is 2 to 2.5cm. Over all

[Vo]:E-Cat Commercialization in the Americas

2011-07-07 Thread Harry Veeder
E-Cat Commercialization in the Americas 27 June 2011, 13:18 New York – AmpEnergo Inc. along with Leonardo Corporation and the inventor Dr. Andrea Rossi are working on commercializing the E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) technology in the Americas, including North America, Central America, South