Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Axil Axil
http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/antibiotic-overuse-may-give-bacteria-an-evolutionary-boost/ *Are humans increasing bacterial evolvability?* This subject is more important than religious doctrinaire; it is literally a matter of life or death in this world today. During the time of

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:58 Freitag, 25.Mai 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Kuhn understood that scientists are

[Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)

2012-05-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
There appears to be some interest in this subject, so I will continue discussing it as long as people want to discuss it by responding. Apoligies to Bill in advance if this is inappropriate. First, let me make something very clear. My goal in brining up this discussion is to try to draw a

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
re 'Yeomen'   -- Eric and James   2nd take   Yeomen, as I understand the term, are a group of people having enough material and educational resources to be 'free thinkers'.   The question is: Are these people decisive wrt the advancement of humanity?   I think not. They play a certain role, but

Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR)

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 11:17 Samstag, 26.Mai 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) There appears to be... # Jojo, ...My goal in brining up this

[Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
This was featured in Slate magazine. I read it years ago. It is a damning critique of the Space Shuttle written before the first Shuttle flew: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/8004.easterbrook-fulltext.html Many people consider the Shuttle a technical triumph. I always had my

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Ransom Wuller
Jed: The leap too far point is incorrect. That had little to do with the shuttle's issues. The main problem was that it was designed to be everything. A truck, a car, a lab all rolled into one. You wouldn't design a passenger carrier and add a large truck carrier to it. It makes both

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
The Soviets won the space race. They installed a communist bureaucracy over the most critical of all areas to US culture: Frontiers. Very few of ushttp://web.archive.org/web/20090901150614/http://www.geocities.com/jim_bowery/NssEthicsAward.htmlwere fighting against this communist system of

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Chemical Engineer
Condemning the shuttle program is like condemning jet fighter aircraft bombers now that we have drones to do the dirty work. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/08/secret-air-force-x-37b-space-plane-mission-pectacular-success/ Without the shuttle crew Hubble would be a piece of space junk.

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Randy Wuller
You could have replaced the Hubble many time over for the cost of the Shuttle and its operation. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Condemning the shuttle program is like condemning jet fighter aircraft bombers now that we have

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread LORENHEYER
Most people who used a horse or a horse-drawn carriage back at the turn of the 20th Century had a initial negative reaction to the first gas powered vehicles, and usually shouted to it's driver to Get A Horse!!!.

[Vo]:Ernest Yeager Center adds LENR-CANR to their on-line resources

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
The folks at the Ernest Yeager Center at Case Western U. informed me they added LENR-CANR to their on-line resources guide: http://electrochem.cwru.edu/estir/pdi.htm Top page: http://electrochem.cwru.edu/ http://electrochem.cwru.edu/estir/ My response to them: That's great! Thanks. It is an

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: You could have replaced the Hubble many time over for the cost of the Shuttle and its operation. That is true. See the book Hubble Wars. The cost of the Shuttle mission to repair the Hubble was greater than the cost of launching a new Hubble would have

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: In the early middle ages it was the church-builders, which advanced the art of empirical construction of large buildings by trial and error. Lots of churches had to be repaired or collapsed altogether. Those

Re: [Vo]:Can HAARP Alter Spacetime?

2012-05-26 Thread Harvey Norris
Here's the actual paper from which the authors draw their conclusions; http://users.elo.com.br/~deaquino/ELF%20Earthquakes I was able to wade through the math to grasp his essential points, some very interesting theoretical data... I had formerly made objections to what Aquino made known back in

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Condemning the shuttle program is like condemning jet fighter aircraft bombers now that we have drones to do the dirty work. No, it is like condemning the F22 Raptor because that airplane was too ambitious, it tried to do too many different

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Chemical Engineer
If that was the only accomplishment of the shuttle i might give your argument some weight On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'rwul...@freeark.com'); wrote: You could have replaced the Hubble many time over for the cost of

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Randy Wuller
I'm sorry but the Shuttle and the ISS have simply gobbled up funding with very little real purpose. When you lose sight of a real goal, government funding turns into a jobs program. There were a lot of better alternaives for funding space development. I was involved in lobby groups for years

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
The Hubble data information management structure reminds me of the Dilbert character Mordac, Preventer of Information Services: http://dilbert.com/strips/?CharIDs=15After=01/01/1996Before=08/20/2008Order=s.DateStrip+DESCPerPage=50x=23y=9CharFilter=Any A lot of that goes on in industry. In

Re: [Vo]:Bizarre -- torsional physics

2012-05-26 Thread Harvey Norris
Guess what, if relativity itself was prooved by Einstein using an eclipse, and it is the eclipse itself is what brings on these torsional effects: that also precludes special laws of physics taking place, then Einsteins observations were not made in the ordinary world we live in where

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, Jed, I suggest you remove all of those Hubble screen savers and wallpapers off your PC. It cost way too much to produce them On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: If that was the only accomplishment of the shuttle i might give your argument some weight On Saturday, May

RE: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Douglas Hill
Now that the shuttle is gone, how do we keep kids interested in STEM? What inspiration does a teenager get from cargo drone launches? What would get you pumped up and want to spend your future doing science? *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, May 26, 2012

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: If that was the only accomplishment of the shuttle i might give your argument some weight No one denies that the Shuttle was a major improvement. So was the IBM Stretch computer. If they had made one Shuttle, learned lesson from it, and then tried

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Chemical Engineer
Hell, Obama skipped right by basic research and gave billions to green energy companies to rush out products destined for failure On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: The Hubble data information management structure reminds me of the Dilbert character Mordac, Preventer of

[Vo]:Localized time- space curvature demonstrated from 3 phase alternator powered 666 machine

2012-05-26 Thread Harvey Norris
64 views before announcement... beforeitsnews.com/story/2177/069/Localized_time-_space_curvature_demonstrated_from_3_phase_alternator_powered_666_machine.html This measurement showed in the video is the most important measurement ever made regarding relativity, besides that of the eclipse of the

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Chemical Engineer
Like i said, the new shuttle drone has spent almost two years in space and is doing great and so is the SpaceX drone. Go USA! On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Chemical Engineer wrote: Hell, Obama skipped right by basic research and gave billions to green energy companies to rush out products

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Randy Wuller
Open space to the people so they participate in reality not vicariosly through others. Being personally involved is a great motivator. How to do it, lower cost access to space. How do you achieve lower cost access? Building a private commercial transportation industry. You do that with

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Hell, Obama skipped right by basic research and gave billions to green energy companies to rush out products destined for failure That is nonsense. All of the technology the government has assisted has been conventional, long established, proven

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
___ Von: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com Paracelsus whose motto was: Let no man belong to another that can belong to himself. James, I understand this as a typical statement of a renaissance mind. But: Paracelsus was not a Yeoman. He was driven by his

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Chemical Engineer
You call spending billions on gigawatts of CSP power towers proven and conventional? Do some more research Jed. On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote: Hell, Obama skipped right by basic

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 8:32 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: It is incredible to watch the folks here in Vortex speak about obscenity like NASA in any other terms. It was born of a Manhattan Project-style centralized government program an and, like the Manhattan Project, spawned a

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: It was not a Gregg Easterbrook-like character, but Stanley Pons and his financial independence (along with Fleischmann's retirement independence) that allowed for an escape route for cold fusion. Yet, we see 2 decades later, the monster spawned of

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
This argument is not right. It is not valid also to compare it to a computer or aircraft projects. The development of Hubble led to a unique architecture, not to mass production. It would take a long time to build another one. So, fixing it in space, even if required a lot of money, was necessary

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: This argument is not right. It is not valid also to compare it to a computer or aircraft projects. The development of Hubble led to a unique architecture, not to mass production. It would take a long time to build another one. So, fixing it in space,

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
The definition of Yeoman is at issue. Its modern degeneration has virtually nothing to do with the original notion. Basically there was, once upon a time, recognition of the foundation of civilization -- primarily because civilization had only recently arisen. This is particularly true of

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jed, Hubble must have a very accurate focusing and detection than any spy satellite because it gets very few photons. Its production is much more expensive and slow, to correct defects. 2012/5/26 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: This argument is

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com This argument is not right. It is not valid also to compare it to a computer or aircraft projects. The development of Hubble led to a unique architecture, not to mass production. It would take a long time to build

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
The optics was not replaced, it was corrected by COSTAR, http://hubblesite.org/the_telescope/nuts_.and._bolts/optics/costar/ That was a set of small mirrors that corrected the focal point. 2012/5/26 Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com -- *Von:* Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Harry Veeder
I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Harry On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:42 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The definition of Yeoman is at issue.  Its modern degeneration has virtually nothing to do with the

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
James, thank you for Your sensible comment. I did not know about the term 'allodium'. looking after the term, I read: ... True allodial title is rare, with most property ownership in the common law world—primarily, the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Terry Blanton
It took 3 months for the mirror glass to cool down and two years to grind it. There were actually two mirrors, the one with the spherical aberration made by Perkin Elmer and the likely unflawed one still in storage made by Kodak. T

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: There were actually two mirrors, the one with the spherical aberration made by Perkin Elmer and the likely unflawed one still in storage made by Kodak. I did not know they had another one. That surely would have reduced the cost of building a

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I did not know they had another one. That surely would have reduced the cost of building a replacement, instead of repairing the one up there. Yes, built by two different contractors in the event one was destroyed in

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Terry Blanton
Contact with Jodie Foster: S.R. Hadden: First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price? T

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread Chemical Engineer
The US currently has two X-37 OTV shuttle drones. A third was recently approved. Design for this began in1999, more than 10 years prior to retiring the shuttle. Much was learned from the original shuttle program. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37 On Saturday, May 26, 2012, Terry

Re: [Vo]:Critique of Space Shuttle written in 1980

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: It was not a Gregg Easterbrook-like character, but Stanley Pons and his financial independence (along with Fleischmann's retirement independence) that allowed for an escape

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Is sexual notion of identity and integrity. You know nothing of animal behavior.

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote: James, thank you for Your sensible comment. I did not know about the term 'allodium'. looking after the term, I read: ... True allodial title is rare, with most property ownership in the common law

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread David Roberson
Guys, this thread has gotten very far off the subject. I request that you rename it and continue. I would really appreciate a discussion concerning tritium associated with Ni-H LENR. Dave -Original Message- From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com To: Guenter Wildgruber

Re: [Vo]:Tritium in Ni-H LENR

2012-05-26 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I would think the idea that one can take land to support a mate is agricultural notion of identity and integrity. Is sexual notion of identity