Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
I am sure he will after you, Jed, Jojo, Lomax, Johnson at least 6 more lame brains who childishly produce written diarrhea about how to avoid paying taxes, comic science fiction, insults, etc. place the following on an open web site: copies of birth certificate, drivers license, SS card, all school transcripts, resume listing all employment stating salaries(10 years), all real estate tax bills (10 years) and a complete financial statement listing all current assets and bank accounts. How dare you treat rights of privacy so lightly? Find yourself a bureaucratic job in DC minding other peoples business. Fart James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water.
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling
Without addressing anything else in this s message, I'll merely stay that all reference to Islam and Muhammad is no sensual and reflects a degree of ignorance that exceeds expectations. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2012, at 1:32 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: He he he. yeah I'm all you label me. I'm all that and more. And yes, I have a repressed childhood. You can believe whatever it is that tickles your fancy. Yes, I'm a turd; but whose more pathetic? The turd or the man playing with the turd knowing it's a turd? The turd has no choice, but the man playing with a turd has got to be some maladjusted retard. LOL... But at least. at least I am smart enough to graduate with a engineering degree; but sensible enough not to boast that I am some kind of expert.. And I am wise enough not to worship a 2nd rate moon god preached by a sex-perverted 9 year-old child molesting prophet. Somebody doing this must be some maladjusted individual. The sexual pervert prophet would have tipped any sensible man to stay away from that moon god; but our expert worships him. LOL OH my, I've really done it this time. I'm done for.. You will now really call for my banning. Since I just insulted your great moon god and his holey loving prophet. I'm done for; you will now go to your imam and issue a fatwah against me and have me killed. LOL BTW, for those of you just reading this. I have done nothing more than tell the truth. Allah is the moon god of muhammed's tribe; and muhammed is a sex-perverted prophet with dozens of wives and concubines including a 9 year-old little girl barely out of diapers. And muslim imams do indeed issue a fatwah for the assasination of anyone who they consider have insulted their prophet. I speak the truth if you care to research it yourself. Even muslims acknowledge these truths and this is a source of great embarassment for many a moon god worshipper; and you will see our expert trying to spin this away. Jojo PS, Don't even pretend that you don't read what I write. Everyone know that you read it. LOL. But, as for me, I honestly only read the first part of your posts. It's tiresome to read your verbal diarrhea. So, if you really really really want to insult me; make sure you do so in the first few sentences. That would really be effective in getting me and hurting me with your insults. LOL So, Go ahead, continue the insults. I will give as much and much more than I can get. Christmas period is a slow time for me so I'll play along with your games. But come January, you can play with yourself. - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling Hah! I see that when I added the tag to the subject, I mispelled Jojo Jaro At 04:14 AM 12/8/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, this libtard from Wisconsin claims that I do not have emotional maturity and that I am 10 or that I did not get feedback and all that crap. O well, if I am a turd, what do you call somebody who keeps playing with a turd knowing full well its a turd. Someone who is not willing to give up on the idea that a turd is a human being. Foolish, perhaps. Jojo is giving us plenty of evidence that he wants us to think he's a turd. Libtard claims that I am emotionally volatile, so why does he keep on provoking me other than to elicit a strong reaction from me. Jojo would not understand the reason, but there are many possibilities. 1. It's so much fun. 2. We like watching Jojo make an idiot out of himself. 3. We have a hope (foolish?) that the pimple will finally pop. 4. We have nothing better to do at the time we write the post. 5. We have something better to do and we are avoiding doing it. 6. Just because. 7. We care. 8. ??? This behavior from libtard seems to be what is classically defined as trolling. It could be, were it not clearly provoked. Responding to trolling is not trolling. However, not all insult is trolling. The essence of trolling is an attempt to provoke outraged response. The sequence here began with something other than that, but Jojo responded to it as an insult. It could be argued that it was mildly insulting, but it clearly was not, from context, trolling. It was just a comment on what had just happened, and it did not insult, beyond calling Jojo a bible fanatic. Is that an insult? It can be so. Am I a cold fusion fanatic? Someone who said so would not necessarily be insulting me. They might just be describing how my behavior looks to them. It is a clear pattern with this individual that he would say something to provoke me for the fun of it. And then we might need to look at what fun means. Why would it be fun to poke at
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
lenr4power, Lucky Saint's privacy does involve a LENR technology, that he has already disclosed. A video needn't disclose anything more about Lucky Saint than what he has already disclosed save evidence that technology works. So this is not a matter of privacy, lame brain. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM, lenr4po...@gmail.com lenr4po...@gmail.comwrote: I am sure he will after you, Jed, Jojo, Lomax, Johnson at least 6 more lame brains who childishly produce written diarrhea about how to avoid paying taxes, comic science fiction, insults, etc. place the following on an open web site: copies of birth certificate, drivers license, SS card, all school transcripts, resume listing all employment stating salaries(10 years), all real estate tax bills (10 years) and a complete financial statement listing all current assets and bank accounts. How dare you treat rights of privacy so lightly? Find yourself a bureaucratic job in DC minding other peoples business. Fart James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/**search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com* *q=from:%22James+Bowery%22http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/** search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com**q=date:20121219http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water.
[Vo]:[OT] Everyone Needs a Hobby
These quadrotors look like fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-DeybxBpY
[Vo]:VSG-Overlooked Free Energy?
I'm looking for a little help here. Some years ago, J. Naudin published the Synergetics theory of a French scientist. His models of this theory appeared to offer overunity. Unfortunately, the stuff is mostly in French and Babblefish is kinda approximate. The scientist claimed that Tomakak experiments proved free energy but were never published to avoid trouble. Then, there was a guy who replicated the device, repeatedly: www.intalek.comhttp://www.intalek.com I'd like to build this device but I can't understand the triggering part of the theory. High voltage? Alpha particles? Naudin isn't very clear. Help, help..(Thanks)
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
At 05:08 PM 12/19/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder mailto:hveeder...@gmail.comhveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions? If so then it is more evidence that the Celani doesn't produce excess heat. Incorrect. Most cold fusion devices that produce excess heat do not produce measurable gamma or neutron emissions. Cold fusion is not plasma fusion. If it were, I would be dead. Variation on the dead graduate student effect. The dead philanthropist or dead editor/translator effect.
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
At 03:43 PM 12/19/2012, Harry Veeder wrote: STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus: http://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/coherence%2014%20dicembre%202012%20Celani%20wire.pdf On page 2 it says over a couple of charts: Neutron and gamma continuous recording in ST lab. No difference for spectra during experiments showing extra heat and background Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions? If so then it is more evidence that the Celani doesn't produce excess heat. Jed already replied to this, I've seen, but I wanted to add my two cents. Lack of gamma/neutron emission was considered evidence against cold fusion, initially. Reports of neutrons, in particular, cluttered the landscape, and were generally, if high-level (no reports were really high in an absolute sense), found to be artifact, in some prominent cases, or were low-level and thus subject to doubt about whether or not they were simply unusual events as to background radiation, i.e., cosmic rays. The evidence for radiation never became truly strong and confirmed, such as it was. Storms is now reporting X-rays from certain experiments, but that's not confirmed. However, the evidence is very strong, now, I consider it rebuttably conclusive (with it being difficult to even imagine a rebuttal), that the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect is due to the conversion of deuterium to helium, for the heat/helium ratio, based on results from a dozen research groups, is consistent with the right value, and the correlation between heat and helium is so clear as to be quite solid, chance-in-a-million artifact. Or less than that, really. Yet there is no detectable gamma radiation, generally, and similarly with neutrons; any asserted contrary findings, so far, have been at ridiculously low levels, and probably represent, if real -- as they seem to be, see the SPAWAR neutron findings -- very minor, rare side-reactions, reactions with rare cell constituent elements, or sequelae, i.e, some occasionally hot products, like hot alphas, prodice some secondary reactions. At extremely low levels. So the lack of radiation from any experiment is not evidence against excess heat. It is the absence of a particular kind of evidence that could confirm excess heat. That's all. To think otherwise is to repeat the error of 1989-1990, where absence of expected nuclear products was considered reason to doubt the heat results. In 1989-1990, it was expected that if cold fusion were occurring, it would be d-d fusion, nothing else. That assumption was behind much criticism. Pons and Fleischmann knew that what they were observing was not ordinary d-d fusion, that's why they called it, in their original paper, an unknown nuclear reaction. But they also had found, they thought, neutrons, and they dedicated way too much space, in hindsight, to speculating on an obvious possible source, some kind of d+d - He-3 + n reaction as a rare branch. But He-3 was not detected, except at very low levels, as expected from tritium found -- at levels 10^6 or so below the level expected if the reaction was d-d fusion, which branches 50% to T + p, and 50% to He-3 + n. T decays, slowly, to He-3 + e. The PF finding of neutrons was quickly exposed as artifact. Yes, many people thought that, then, no neutrons = heat artifact. It was a total error. The reaction is clearly, almost entirely, 2 * N * d - N * He-4, where N is as low as 1, but could be higher, and if higher (N = 2 has been studied), could explain the neutron-free reaction, through, for example, 2 D2 - Be-8 - 2 He-4. The problem with this, as stated, and with a naive analysis, is that this would be expected to produce very hot alpha particles, and a recent Hagelstein study placed an upper limit on *common* charged particle energies of 20 KeV. So theorists continue to labor with the problem. But deuterium is being converted to helium, mechanism unknown, that is a real scientific consensus at this point. Yes, there are lots of scientists who doubt it, but they have not published under peer review for roughly a decade. It's actually over, in the journals. That news simply has not gotten around, has not penetrated completely the fog of the anti-cold fusion cascade that occurred over 20 years ago. It can take time. Cascades create an impression of scientific consensus where there is none (or, more accurately, there is a kind of consensus, but it's not based on the scientific method, it's a social phenomenon). I got the term from http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 It's ironic. Gary Taubes helped create the cold fusion cascade, but he's now spent more than a decade debunking two: positions on salt in the diet, and fat, similarly.
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
I'm trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories... any historical background? Fran From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:26 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat lenr4power, Lucky Saint's privacy does involve a LENR technology, that he has already disclosed. A video needn't disclose anything more about Lucky Saint than what he has already disclosed save evidence that technology works. So this is not a matter of privacy, lame brain. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM, lenr4po...@gmail.commailto:lenr4po...@gmail.com lenr4po...@gmail.commailto:lenr4po...@gmail.com wrote: I am sure he will after you, Jed, Jojo, Lomax, Johnson at least 6 more lame brains who childishly produce written diarrhea about how to avoid paying taxes, comic science fiction, insults, etc. place the following on an open web site: copies of birth certificate, drivers license, SS card, all school transcripts, resume listing all employment stating salaries(10 years), all real estate tax bills (10 years) and a complete financial statement listing all current assets and bank accounts. How dare you treat rights of privacy so lightly? Find yourself a bureaucratic job in DC minding other peoples business. Fart James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water.
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
Karabut also found signs of x-rays, before Storms announced, since 2005, presented in ICCF12: Karabut A. *Research into Energy and Temporal Characteristics of X-ray Emission from Solid State Cathode Medium of High-Current Glow Discharge*, *Proc. ICCF12* (2005), www.iscmns.org/iccf12/Karabut_2.pdf See more from Karabut: http://www.iscmns.org/library.htm See the papers concerning the same subject, even in the JCMNS vol. 6, where Karabut published with Hagelstein: http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf 2012/12/20 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com The evidence for radiation never became truly strong and confirmed, such as it was. Storms is now reporting X-rays from certain experiments, but that's not confirmed. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
At 05:09 PM 12/19/2012, lenr4po...@gmail.com wrote: How dare you treat rights of privacy so lightly? Find yourself a bureaucratic job in DC minding other peoples business. Fart Fart produced, as the name might indicate, more gaseous emissions, perhaps single-handedly contributing to the greenhouse effect. Or not. Maybe it's insignificant. James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water. The alleged device in question is claimed to have been boiling water for five years. It's a sealed cell, two pieces of copper bonded, and small. That could be shown, and, if it is actually boiling water, without revealing *at all* what is inside, and it is not necessary. If this small thing keeps boiling water for a few hours, if observers can examine the beaker thoroughly, and maybe replace the water, and water keeps boiling, we'd have a conclusive demonstration of an astounding heat effect. One could easily fake this in a video, it would be trivial. It could be done with, indeed, induction heating of the copper, that could be invisible on the video, and *anything* can be faked in a video. But this could be extremely difficult to fake with an in-person demonstration, where observers could check everything -- except, to preserve privacy -- i.e., intellectual rights, if those matter -- the contents of the copper cell. If that much energy can be produced from a small copper cell, it's revolutionary, and worth billions or more, even much more. So the lack of independent confirmation is *telling*. It doesn't prove that the effect is absent, but that the person claimng the effect is ... weird. And therefore cannot be taken as reliable. That's all. Look, there are conspiracy theorists who believe that anyone who finds something like this *will* be suppressed. But that leads to a conclusion that it should not be publically announced. And here it is, announced. No, the pieces don't fit together, it doesn't make sense. We have seen countless free energy announcements, and none of them have been confirmed. Yet there would be ways for a genuine inventor to deal with the problems of, say, some suppressive conspiracy. It merely takes patience and time. If he's got that boiling device, he's got the ticket out of the trap. But he's not using it. Hence ... the default conclusion is that this is just one more of these phony announcements, there are many possible motives for such. Sometimes the person announcing is simply crazy, sometimes it's a prank or hoax. If the latter, the guy is laughing every time someone takes this seriously. In this case, his point would be how gullible people are. Well, are we? By the way, I haven't told the inventor what to do. I'm not even in communication with the inventor. I've merely written on the high likelihood here, given known facts, that this is quite unreal. There is no such device, boiling water for the last five years. I would *absolutely love* being wrong on this. But what I would love is irrelevant. It only means that my motive here is not to win through ridicule. Generally, I'm known for pointing out the obvious. Look, thinking about falsifying my own theory, here: suppose this device is real. Suppose there is some conspiracy of major interests to suppress free energy ideas. They have an agency that investigates possibilities. They aren't a serious conspiracy if they don't! So they would track this guy down, there are ways. They would find out where he's getting internet access, where his computer is located, and they would start to watch him. If this thing is boiling for five years, it needs constant maintenance. He's got to be watching it, somehow. They would figure it out, and, say it's in his house. There would be a break-in to the house, stuff would be trashed to make it look like the burglars were ordinary thieves, and the piece of copper would be missing. And then it would be handled with extreme care. They'd want to know what is powering it, and they would have the resources to figure it out. If this is truly a serious conspiracy, the guy would be kidnapped or just plain killed. Hence my conclusion: this is a hoax, if there is a conspiracy, they know that, so they won't bother killing him. They *like* there being people like him, because it will divert attention from real technologies. If it's real, there is no conspiracy, then, and the inventor is merely crazy. Unfortunate. Being a crazy inventor can easily lead to the loss of one's invention. Crazy people die, and crazy ideas often die with them. Whether those ideas are sound or not. Consider Papp, where there are
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Everyone Needs a Hobby
Wow! I am surprised the recoil from the machine gun does not make the helicopter go completely out of control. The guy who made that video is nuts. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
At 07:34 PM 12/19/2012, Harry Veeder wrote: I meant that if the excess heat is real and whatever the cause of the excess heat, the excess heat might force a limited number of transmutations and emit a small amount of gammas and neutrons. Sure, the FPHE appears to do that, but the small amounts are difficult to detect, and the apparatus and approach used in this case would be expected to come up empty. One must consider background radiation, which is ubiquitous, and, as well, the inverse square law that has radiation decline in intensity as the square of the distance from the source. SPAWAR has detected low levels of neutrons by using solid state radiation detectors which are very close to the source, and they can accumulate radiation over weeks. They are, under those conditions, apparently observing roughly ten times background. This is extremely low level. You would not see this with detectors outside the cell, unless the reaction site is next to the cell wall, and the detectors are right next to the cell wall on the outside, and even that will reduce the signal. It's easy to look for radiation as they did, and cheap. But negative findings mean nothing, beyond setting an upper limit on radiation. We have not found LENR effects that produce much prompt radiation, or much of any radiation. That's quite an interesting observation, itself. There may be something about LENR mechanisms that suppresses unstable products, that takes the reaction all the way to stable products (like helium) while non-photon/phonon emissions remain at low levels. And the photons cannot be high-energy, or they would easily be detected. Storms takes this and runs with it, postulating a series of photon emissions at low energies, instead of one big photon dump. He's proposing a specific mechanism for this that seems shaky to me, but the basic idea is sound. There are, very likely, a series of emissions that are not individually large. For example, Be-8, if formed from 4D fusion, will first exist as an excited nucleus. That excited nucleus will start to emit photons in a series of emissions down to the ground state. If it reaches the ground state, eventually it will fission and we would expect two alphas at roungly 45 KeV each. That's above the Hagelstein limit, but *not far.* So call me, maybe. The fly in this ointment is that Be-8 has a normal half-life of a femtosecond. It doesn't seem like it would have time to decay as described, so the alphas would have *much* higher energy, and that *would* be observed. You don't have 20 MeV alphas zipping around with no observable effects. Even if there is no prompt gamma, there will be secondary radiation, and plenty of it. So something else is happening. Maybe a fusion product being formed inside of a condensate remains stable for a while. I still don't get it. I'd think that if a condensate started radiating photons, it would uncondense, very rapidly. But ... we do not know. That's the central message about cold fusion at this point. We don't know what it is, and I suggest a healthy dose of skepticism for *any theory* that, at this point, proposes to explain it. This mystery has survived for twenty years, with some very powerful minds having worked on it. Almost certainly, we need more information about the conditions of cold fusion before theory will start to catch up. Of course, if someone has a theory and uses it with success to predict CF behavior *quantitatively* -- or qualitatively under new, unexpected conditions -- the *experimental results* should be respected and confirmed. Not to do this wouldn't be skepticism, it would be pseudoskepticism.
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
BTW, as someone pointed out, It seems other people have also detected x rays even earlIer. Just check the paper by Ed Storms, JCMNS, nov. 2012 2012/12/20 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Karabut also found signs of x-rays, before Storms announced, since 2005, presented in ICCF12: Karabut A. *Research into Energy and Temporal Characteristics of X-ray Emission from Solid State Cathode Medium of High-Current Glow Discharge*, *Proc. ICCF12* (2005), www.iscmns.org/iccf12/Karabut_2.pdf See more from Karabut: http://www.iscmns.org/library.htm See the papers concerning the same subject, even in the JCMNS vol. 6, where Karabut published with Hagelstein: http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf 2012/12/20 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com The evidence for radiation never became truly strong and confirmed, such as it was. Storms is now reporting X-rays from certain experiments, but that's not confirmed. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:OT: December 21, 2012
Good news: I'm in Japan right now, and it's 4:43am. Armageddon has yet to kickoff.The world hasn't been stick by an asteroid yet, the magnetic poles haven't reversed, and dogs and cats still don't get along.
Re: [Vo]:OT: December 21, 2012
If it is a big orbital black hole traveling 500 miles/sec you won't see it coming. You might hear a quick swish...:) On Thursday, December 20, 2012, Robert Léguillon wrote: Good news: I'm in Japan right now, and it's 4:43am. Armageddon has yet to kickoff.The world hasn't been stick by an asteroid yet, the magnetic poles haven't reversed, and dogs and cats still don't get along.
[Vo]:Greenyer and Valat (MFMP) Interview at 9 PM (EST)
Unless there is a schedule change - Bob Greenyer and Mathieu Valat of The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project will be interviewed at 9PM(EST Dec20 = 2:00 GMT) at URL: http://smartscarecrow.com/ I believe there will be a live QA session. Also, for those who missed it the Swedish SVT TV show on Rossi's E-cat is available with English subtitles at: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/swedish-svt-e-cat-program-with-english-subtitles/
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
At 01:47 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Im trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories any historical background? Look, Fran, you are perfectly welcome to waste your time purusing will-o-the-wisps. You are actually performing a community service if you do. And I've certainly wasted a lot of my own time, in a sense, checking out, say Orbo, or the Obama fake birth certificate claims, or any of many such things. Tell us what you find, this particular one is definitely on topic here (as with Orbo, MAHG, etc.) I hope, however, you don't regale us with endless theories about what you think might actualy be happening, when it's highly unlikely that anything is happening out of the ordinary at all. The default something unknown is generating heat is actually quite adequate as a working hypothesis. If you find *specific evidence* for some serious theory, then call me, maybe. So to speak.
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
Finding X-rays from a glow discharge (plasma, basically) is one thing, finding them from a low-energy environment is quite another. This is not to denigrate the research cited. It's just not relevant to what had been mentioned, Storms finding of X-radiation *without* a glow discharge. Yes, there had been lots of reports of X-rays before, see Storms' book. However, the circumstances of X-ray production, and association with other LENR evidence, is important. Correlated reports are rare. Rather, someone runs an experiment, say, and has some X-ray film sitting there, and it ends up with some exposure, and then people argue about causation and possible artifacts. Correlation with other, independent effects, cuts through this noise. At 02:04 PM 12/20/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: Karabut also found signs of x-rays, before Storms announced, since 2005, presented in ICCF12: Karabut A. Research into Energy and Temporal Characteristics of X-ray Emission from Solid State Cathode Medium of High-Current Glow Discharge, Proc. ICCF12 (2005), http://www.iscmns.org/iccf12/Karabut_2.pdfwww.iscmns.org/iccf12/Karabut_2.pdf See more from Karabut: http://www.iscmns.org/library.htmhttp://www.iscmns.org/library.htm See the papers concerning the same subject, even in the JCMNS vol. 6, where Karabut published with Hagelstein: http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdfhttp://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf 2012/12/20 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com The evidence for radiation never became truly strong and confirmed, such as it was. Storms is now reporting X-rays from certain experiments, but that's not confirmed. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ mailto:danieldi...@gmail.comdanieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Everyone Needs a Hobby
At 02:16 PM 12/20/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Wow! I am surprised the recoil from the machine gun does not make the helicopter go completely out of control. The guy who made that video is nuts. Actually, a quick review of the video showed no sign of recoil. Further, the dummies being attacked don't look like they were hit with ordinary machine gun rounds. It looks like ordinary rounds hit the ground, maybe, but when the dummies are hit, they explode. Like they have a charge placed in them, detonated. Spectacular. It's a hell of a lot safer, and cheaper, to make a video like this, simply faking it, than it would be do do the real thing. That recoil problem could be severe, and, yes, it might lead to some, ah, inaccuracy. I'd not want to be near one of those things, if it were real. Much more likely: this is entertainment. The quadrorotor may be real. So he had some fun with it. Actually setting up the quadrorotor with a machine gun (carrying a lot of rounds!) and designing the control system to anticipate recoil when the gun is fired, maintaining attitude and targeting control, that would be difficult and very, very expensive to do. Easy to fly a remote control quadrorotor around, I think you can buy those, and you might be able to borrow one. After all, this video could sell these devices.
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
Abd, My interest was piqued because I suspect It might be my own theories being fed back to the vort.. the bit about milling the powder in inert gas and then submerging the finished reactor immediately in a heat sink directly from the glove box sounded awful familiar :_) hopefully some troll isn't trying to feed me my own tail but that is one suspicion that occurred to me.. anyway, nothing came up on google and think whoever labeled this an urban legend was probably closest to the mark.. sorry my long winded theories appear to annoy you .. as a Christmas present I'll skip my annual nod to limestone blocks and ambient gases trapped inside :_) Fran -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat At 01:47 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: I'm trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories... any historical background? Look, Fran, you are perfectly welcome to waste your time purusing will-o-the-wisps. You are actually performing a community service if you do. And I've certainly wasted a lot of my own time, in a sense, checking out, say Orbo, or the Obama fake birth certificate claims, or any of many such things. Tell us what you find, this particular one is definitely on topic here (as with Orbo, MAHG, etc.) I hope, however, you don't regale us with endless theories about what you think might actualy be happening, when it's highly unlikely that anything is happening out of the ordinary at all. The default something unknown is generating heat is actually quite adequate as a working hypothesis. If you find *specific evidence* for some serious theory, then call me, maybe. So to speak.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Everyone Needs a Hobby
That is exactly what I was thinking. Perhaps this guy is not aware of software glitches? No one should try this at home. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 2:16 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Everyone Needs a Hobby Wow! I am surprised the recoil from the machine gun does not make the helicopter go completely out of control. The guy who made that video is nuts. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/**search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com; **q=from:%22James+Bowery%22http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/** search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com**q=date:20121219http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water. One could easily fake this in a video, it would be trivial. It could be done with, indeed, induction heating of the copper, that could be invisible on the video, and *anything* can be faked in a video. But this could be extremely difficult to fake with an in-person demonstration, where observers could check everything -- except, to preserve privacy -- i.e., intellectual rights, if those matter -- the contents of the copper cell. Induction heating would require a visible device nearby. If Lucky Saint is sincerely attempting to help the world by releasing this technology, as he has presumably attempted by disclosing the fabrication technique, then it would be a small additional effort to post a video of a beaker of water containing the boiling device, with the beaker elevated on some sort of stand that would not plausibly contain an induction heater. Faking that video would be difficult enough to motivate a Russ type of fellow, who has access to the requisite resources, to proceed to replicate the recipe.
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling
Which part of what I said do you think is untrue? Note, I am willing to discuss it as long as you do not throw insults. If you are so convinced that I am wrong and find it necessary to insult me to prove a point, then it is best that we stop the discussion. I stand 1000% behind what I said about allah and muhammed. Allah is the moon god of the tribe of muhammed; and muhammed did indeed have dozens of wives and concubines. And he did indeed have a 9 year-old little girl that also served as his concubine. Heck, modern islamic countries today condone the marriage of even 3 year-old girls as long as sex is postponned until puberty. That means 10-12 years-old. So, in modern islamic countries, you can marry a 3 year-old little girl and postpone sex until she is 10. That my friend is also true. Many people find it offensive and insulting and many muslims are quite embarrassed by it but it is a true part of their heritage. I believe, islam is the only religion that has this practice. Somebody may correct me on this. But, you don't have to believe me. Research it for yourself. Jojo PS, Note that I have not insulted you in any way. If you think that I am insulting because I am speaking the truth; then tell me how I can say these truths without being insulting. There is just no way. The truth is offensive to muslims; but it is the truth. - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling Without addressing anything else in this s message, I'll merely stay that all reference to Islam and Muhammad is no sensual and reflects a degree of ignorance that exceeds expectations. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2012, at 1:32 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: He he he. yeah I'm all you label me. I'm all that and more. And yes, I have a repressed childhood. You can believe whatever it is that tickles your fancy. Yes, I'm a turd; but whose more pathetic? The turd or the man playing with the turd knowing it's a turd? The turd has no choice, but the man playing with a turd has got to be some maladjusted retard. LOL... But at least. at least I am smart enough to graduate with a engineering degree; but sensible enough not to boast that I am some kind of expert.. And I am wise enough not to worship a 2nd rate moon god preached by a sex-perverted 9 year-old child molesting prophet. Somebody doing this must be some maladjusted individual. The sexual pervert prophet would have tipped any sensible man to stay away from that moon god; but our expert worships him. LOL OH my, I've really done it this time. I'm done for.. You will now really call for my banning. Since I just insulted your great moon god and his holey loving prophet. I'm done for; you will now go to your imam and issue a fatwah against me and have me killed. LOL BTW, for those of you just reading this. I have done nothing more than tell the truth. Allah is the moon god of muhammed's tribe; and muhammed is a sex-perverted prophet with dozens of wives and concubines including a 9 year-old little girl barely out of diapers. And muslim imams do indeed issue a fatwah for the assasination of anyone who they consider have insulted their prophet. I speak the truth if you care to research it yourself. Even muslims acknowledge these truths and this is a source of great embarassment for many a moon god worshipper; and you will see our expert trying to spin this away. Jojo PS, Don't even pretend that you don't read what I write. Everyone know that you read it. LOL. But, as for me, I honestly only read the first part of your posts. It's tiresome to read your verbal diarrhea. So, if you really really really want to insult me; make sure you do so in the first few sentences. That would really be effective in getting me and hurting me with your insults. LOL So, Go ahead, continue the insults. I will give as much and much more than I can get. Christmas period is a slow time for me so I'll play along with your games. But come January, you can play with yourself. - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling Hah! I see that when I added the tag to the subject, I mispelled Jojo Jaro At 04:14 AM 12/8/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, this libtard from Wisconsin claims that I do not have emotional maturity and that I am 10 or that I did not get feedback and all that crap. O well, if I am a turd, what do you call somebody who keeps playing with a turd knowing full well its a turd. Someone who is not willing to give up on the idea that a turd is a human being. Foolish, perhaps. Jojo
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
At 04:29 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Abd, My interest was piqued because I suspect It might be my own theories being fed back to the vort.. the bit about milling the powder in inert gas and then submerging the finished reactor immediately in a heat sink directly from the glove box sounded awful familiar :_) hopefully some troll isn't trying to feed me my own tail but that is one suspicion that occurred to me.. anyway, nothing came up on google and think whoever labeled this an urban legend was probably closest to the mark.. sorry my long winded theories appear to annoy you .. as a Christmas present I'll skip my annual nod to limestone blocks and ambient gases trapped inside :_) Don't take my comment too far out of its intended application, which was specific. I really don't have a strong judgment of your general theories, particularly when you are attempting to explain observed phenomena with some level of serious credibility behind them. This incident could indeed be an attempt to feed your theories back to you, through a pretend confirmation. It's a possible explanation. It would be an extraordinary coincidence that such a major confirmation -- doing something that you haven't done -- would be accomplished by some wing nut. Yes, one has to have some, shall we say, ego strength, to buck the alleged scientific consensus, so we expect people on the fringe to be a bit unraveled, so to speak. However, that only goes so far. Serious researchers on the fringe are only particularly fringe as to what they investigate, not as to the techniques used. Mmmm maybe we are missing out on something here! Has anyone used a ouija board with a cold fusion replication? Why not? How are you feeling today? F I N E Going to show us some XP? NO T R Y A G A I N T O M O R R O W How about some helium? S E E A B O V E Y O U I D I O T GOODBYE The possibilities are endless.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
Hi Francis, Lucky Saint is, in my opinion, the same person who posts on vortex and elsewhere under a dozen or more pseudonyms, including Chen, phen, chan, Puppy, Lucky, ny@aol.com, d...@inbox.lv, Mint, quickly.. and now mole4l...@gmail.com. add them to your kill file.. or read it for entertainment. A magic penny boiling water for 5 years? And still can't afford a spell checker. Uh, yeah.. No video needed. The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. - Brad On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Abd, My interest was piqued because I suspect It might be my own theories being fed back to the vort.. the bit about milling the powder in inert gas and then submerging the finished reactor immediately in a heat sink directly from the glove box sounded awful familiar :_) hopefully some troll isn't trying to feed me my own tail but that is one suspicion that occurred to me.. anyway, nothing came up on google and think whoever labeled this an urban legend was probably closest to the mark.. sorry my long winded theories appear to annoy you .. as a Christmas present I'll skip my annual nod to limestone blocks and ambient gases trapped inside :_) Fran -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat At 01:47 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: I'm trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories... any historical background? Look, Fran, you are perfectly welcome to waste your time purusing will-o-the-wisps. You are actually performing a community service if you do. And I've certainly wasted a lot of my own time, in a sense, checking out, say Orbo, or the Obama fake birth certificate claims, or any of many such things. Tell us what you find, this particular one is definitely on topic here (as with Orbo, MAHG, etc.) I hope, however, you don't regale us with endless theories about what you think might actualy be happening, when it's highly unlikely that anything is happening out of the ordinary at all. The default something unknown is generating heat is actually quite adequate as a working hypothesis. If you find *specific evidence* for some serious theory, then call me, maybe. So to speak.
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
At 05:06 PM 12/20/2012, James Bowery wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water. One could easily fake this in a video, it would be trivial. It could be done with, indeed, induction heating of the copper, that could be invisible on the video, and *anything* can be faked in a video. But this could be extremely difficult to fake with an in-person demonstration, where observers could check everything -- except, to preserve privacy -- i.e., intellectual rights, if those matter -- the contents of the copper cell. Induction heating would require a visible device nearby. If Lucky Saint is sincerely attempting to help the world by releasing this technology, as he has presumably attempted by disclosing the fabrication technique, then it would be a small additional effort to post a video of a beaker of water containing the boiling device, with the beaker elevated on some sort of stand that would not plausibly contain an induction heater. Faking that video would be difficult enough to motivate a Russ type of fellow, who has access to the requisite resources, to proceed to replicate the recipe. Aw, c'mon. That level of fake would be trivial. Sure, the video might be made so that it would be difficult. But it would still be quite possible with video editing software. Look, it's a lot of work to replicate something like this. I would *not* invest that work unless: 1. The researcher is credible, behaves as if sane. 2. The claims are credible. A small disk that boils water for five years, not credible. 3. Something that could be confirmed, easily, has been confirmed. All three tests fail, here. Absolutely, we can't claim that failing these tests *proves* that there is no effect, or that the fellow is actually lying. It merely makes that probable enough that investing the resources to verify the recipe is likely doomed to find nothing but a failed replication. And what would that prove? The guy is claiming five years. Great! If he really is out to help the world, *share that*. Show it to someone. Let someone credible and independent make that video. I'd trust Stewart Allen, assuming he were willing to do some simple tests. It is not necessary to open the device. Just to verify that it, sitting there with no input, is boiling water in a beaker. Steward should be able to pick up the beaker and move it around, so he'll need appropriate gloves or the like. Someone should figure out the chemical limits from a sealed cell like that, and the video should then be on long enough to take the heat out of any reasonable chemical explanation. Look, this is trivial to verify, compared to the trouble of doing a replication. Replication of what? Here is your replication, quite the same as what you already have: I made one of these, and it's been boiling water continuously now for days. There. That is an exact replication of the original claim. Except I'm lying. I just made that up. But suppose someone else makes a claim like that? Is the claim therefore *any more credible*? Not unless the person is a credible researcher, known for honest testimony, or the research is independently observed, etc. The whole field of cold fusion, with hundreds of independent researchers verifying the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect, were not able to produce a simple device like this. The NiH workers, including Rossi, have not produced the kind of evidence we would need, and the other companies working on it are keeping their results largely secret. A device that does what is being claimed would truly be revolutionary. But Sagan was right: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Okay, maybe not extraordinary evidence, just ordinary evidence. What is the evidence here. When someone claims something considered as possible, even remotely, we don't out of hand reject it. But when it's considered impossible, something *never before seen* -- and nobody credible has reported seeing any thing like this, sustained for so long -- we *do* note lack of supporting evidence and make investment decisions accordingly. Sure if you have some spare time and have the resources, you can check it out. As I mentioned, someone who does that is performing a public service, albeit one with relatively low expected utility. Reporting the attempt, accurately, adds to the body of things that
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 05:06 PM 12/20/2012, James Bowery wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto: a...@lomaxdesign.coma**b...@lomaxdesign.com a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/** search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com**q=from:%22James+Bowery%22http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 http**://www.mail-archive.com/**search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com** q=from:%22James+Bowery%22http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/** search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com**q=date:20121219http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 http://www.**mail-archive.com/search?l=**vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:** 20121219http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water. One could easily fake this in a video, it would be trivial. It could be done with, indeed, induction heating of the copper, that could be invisible on the video, and *anything* can be faked in a video. But this could be extremely difficult to fake with an in-person demonstration, where observers could check everything -- except, to preserve privacy -- i.e., intellectual rights, if those matter -- the contents of the copper cell. Induction heating would require a visible device nearby. If Lucky Saint is sincerely attempting to help the world by releasing this technology, as he has presumably attempted by disclosing the fabrication technique, then it would be a small additional effort to post a video of a beaker of water containing the boiling device, with the beaker elevated on some sort of stand that would not plausibly contain an induction heater. Faking that video would be difficult enough to motivate a Russ type of fellow, who has access to the requisite resources, to proceed to replicate the recipe. Aw, c'mon. That level of fake would be trivial. Sure, the video might be made so that it would be difficult. But it would still be quite possible with video editing software. Look, it's a lot of work to replicate something like this. I would *not* invest that work unless: You aren't a Russ kind of guy, though, are you? He's put quite a bit of work into replicating the Papp piston all with even less direct information about how to build one. Am I advising people to go out and build this device based on the current or even the proposed video evidence?
[Vo]:HolocaustPhysics CT,3rdREICH,Columbine,etc.PER Rabbi Dr.YeshuaBenYusef
byline: Jack Harbach Jr.//Washingon-DC_USA PER Rabbi Dr. Yeshua Ben Yusef GODSPACE: The Hyper Speed-Dense outer DarkSpace is the Virtually 'Infinite-Eternal' spacial medium containing myriad (virtually infinite in number) whole bubble universes. There is a centre to Hyper DarkSpace. In physics, if the 'medium' is a contiguous 'membrane/M-Brane' (which it is) then the 'characteristics' of any given point-coordinate upon said membrane are then continuous/contiguous upon the entire 'M-Brane.' CASE IN POINT OMNIVERSAL SENTIENCE: Sentience, being an aspect of identifiable point-coordinates upon the Omniversal HyperDarkSpace Super M-Brane indicates that ALL TIMELESS ETERNITY is indeed an INFINITE SENTIENCE; hense then 'ALL-that-is' IS FROM, OF, SUSTAINED by the ENERGEY-SUBSTANCE-STUFF of GODSPACE(indulge me some here). . . Hense GODSPACE is expressable as a Dynamic Super-M-Brane of HYPER COMPRESSED LIVING-DATA unfolding as the Atomic-Biologic-'DNA'-Template of the ongoing continuous development of ALL UNIVERSEs within HyperDarkSpace/GODSPACE. HOW FAST IS THE SPEED of GOD THOUGHT: Einstein articulated a 'thing' called 'SPOOKY ACTION at a DISTANCE' that Hyper DarkSpace/GODSPACE is the SUSTAINING ENERGETIC FABRIC of ALL ENERGETIC PHENOMENON. And Prof. Einstein articulated that the SPEED-DENSITY of HyperDarkSpace/GODSPACE as moving across VIRTUALLY INFINITE DISTANCES at the VIRTUALLY INSTANTANEOUS SPEED rate of VIRTUAL-NO-DISTANCE/VIRTUAL NO-TIME eg. LIMITLESS SPEED of TIMELESS-ETERNITY: ergo, God thought is pretty darn quick! EINSTEIN ROSEN BRIDGE: Einstein Rosen 'virtual worm holes' are MYRIAD FACT and 'singularities/white-or-black holes are their 'ends.' By the VOLITIONAL DIRECT DECISION of the UNIVERSAL OMNI-SENTIENCE, Einstein Rosen Connections to ANY POINT in TIME /or timeless SPACE within HyperDark Space /or coordinates within any Bubble Universe such as our own at the SPEED OF GOD's THOUGHT are possible establishable to the very 'physical' OMNIVERSE-HUB-CENTRE of 'GOD's MIND-WILL' instantly. And hense the HYPERVERSAL SENTIENCE can likewise connect with OMNIVERSAL AWARENESS to ANY EVERY POINT in either SPACE or TIME instantly constantly. HENSE: Only SMALL-MINDS would deign to limit the INFINITE-ETERNAL OMNIVERSAL SENTIENCE. * * *PER: THE MOST EMINENT PHYSICIST in HUMAN HISTORY-Rabbi Dr. Yeshua Ben Yusef. WITHIN OMNIVERSAL TIMELESS ETERNITY: There is NO DEATH but only LIFE. . . the accurate humanly articulated 'LAW' of the 'Conservation of Mass Energy' realizes that mass/energy is NOT DESTROYED but merely TRANSFORMED. The Omniversal Sentience long since revealed that for His direct parental sponsorship of Mankind that he would project his FOCALIZED Point-Focused perfection into our HISTORIC STREAM as the 'MESSIAH.' The Messiah would thus be an 'humanized' EINSTEIN-ROSEN INSTANEOUS-CONTIGUOUS PORTAL direct to the OMNIVERSAL SENTIENT CENTRE of GODSPACE eg. the 'Pantokrator' ALMIGHTY-GOD//YHWH etc. The MESSIAH-PORTAL would thusly be able to ACT-PERFORM as a PSYCHO-SPIRITUAL SINGULARITY-BlackHole; and as a COLLAPSING STAR literally ABSORB the ENCAPSULATED-HYPER ALONE PARANOID HIDEOUSLY ANGUISHED BLINDERED CORRUPT HOLOCAUST NATURE of ALL HISTORIC MANKIND's ENERGY and then in WOMB-LIKE METAMORPHOSIS/BIRTH eject us as a TRANSMUTED-RECREATED HUMAN(New Species of Collective Humanity) with our CONSCIENCENESS(both individual collective) now in VIBRANT CONCERT CO-RESONANT FUNCTION within the MIND/HEART/SOUL/SPIRIT/PERFECT LOVE of the OMNIVERSAL PARENT SENTIENCE aka YHWH. This in point of fact was done in PERFECT COMPASSIONATE EMPATHY @ the CROSS(over Portal) of the MESSIAH of Bethlehem @ Judea circa CE-One. There are simply ONLY TWO STATES of existence for ALL EVERY Sentient Being within TIMELESS-ETERNAL OMNIVERSAL EXISTENCE. Those states are simply passed INTO THE MESSIAH UNIVERAL PORTAL; or; WITHOUT the MESSIAH UNIVERSAL PORTAL. We collectively demonstrate daily that OUR BEST EFFORTS severally individually are VIRTUALLY IMPOTENT to improve ourselves and our collective human species. Our 'best' plans solutions are demonstratably inadequate and the FATHER allows our free will for us to simply demonstrate this to ourselves. LIBERTY FREE WILL to CHOOSE OUR DIRECTION is SACRED to the FATHER but so is our FREEDOM to LIVE BY OUR CHOICES. . . ouch. . . and HE nor we WOULD EXCEPT IT ANY OTHER WAY for our WILLS are made of his VERY NATURE/ENERGY. . . we have become ADAM LANZA that REFUSE to COME TO LOVE and thus STRIKE OUT SOCIOPATHICALLY in BITTER ANQUISHED ANGRY-AGONY against ALL THAT IS PURE INNOCENT. . . which is the inevitable human collective nature of HOLOCAUST-SEPARATED-CONSCIENCE from THE INFINITE LIFE SOURCE. By the way this is the very same HOLOCAUST ESSENSE by which we NONCHALANTLY utilize the brutally discompassionate term COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Jesus said: I AM the TRUTH, the LIFE, the WAY, and NO PERSON
[Vo]:Higgs Boson is back
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/04/higgs-boson-stephen-hawking/
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. It is not quite as bad as that. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Is there any flaw in the experimental method in this procedure?
Axil, It would seem to me that the heavy metals making up the popper mechanisms would not sink the heat evenly. The popper spark being a point heat source would probably sink heat differently than the heater, which I presume would be some kind of coil. And we know that if we get uneven heating, it would be very easy to mistake that as OU heat. It seems to me that this is the lesson we are learning with Celani cell replication attempts. We probably need some fan to distribute the heat. But I could be wrong. Also, a spark heat source would take a long time to heat the entire popper mechanism. It seems to me that it would be very easy to prove OU operation with the popper. Simply compute the amount of energy imparted on the piston as it is poppped upwards and compare that with the amount of energy inputted into the popper cylinder by the electrical spark. Using the capacitive banks to create a spark, it is a straightforward thing to compute the amount of energy in the capacitive bank. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: [Vo]:Is there any flaw in the experimental method in this procedure? This is a first pass at a possible way to test the Papp popper for over-unity energy production using the KISS method. Energy Calibration stage. 1 - Equalize the temperature of the popper at a fixed arbitrary temperature Tc. 2 - Place the popper in a insolated box in which the internal temperature of the box can be measured. 3 – Use resistive electrical heating to increase the popper to a fixed elevated arbitrary temperature Tf. Remove the input electric power to the resistive heater when the temperature just reaches Tf. 4 - measure the electric energy in watts(Ec) that is required to achieve the temperature rise of the popper from Tc to Tf. Over-unity energy production test 1 - Equalize the temperature of the popper at a fixed arbitrary temperature Tc. 2 - Place the popper in a insolated box in which internal temperature can be measured. 3 – Run the popper using spark discharge until the until a fixed elevated arbitrary temperature Tf is achieved. Remove the input electric power to the popper when the temperature just reaches Tf. 4 - Measure the electric energy in watts(Es) that is required to achieve the temperature rise of the popper in spark discharge mode from Tc to Tf. Over-unity check If Es Ec, then the popper operates at over-unity energy production. Es/Ec is the COP of the popper. Is there any flaw in the experimental method in this procedure?
[Vo]:[OT] Digging out in Wisconsin
We knew it was coming. Yesterday hoards descended grocery stores, making sure we'd make it through the next 24 - 48 hours. I was one of them. I went to bed last night when barely a grounded snowflake could be seen anywhere in the city. It was above freezing. By 7:30 this morning I woke up to a fast accumulating six inches. It was coming down something fierce. Big gobs of white stuff. Wet very heavy. Perfect for making snow forts and throwing snowballs with. It was an interesting introduction to my first day of a much anticipated year-end vacation. After a hearty breakfast consisting of oat hulls and wheat chaff (Raisin Bran) I headed to the garage and fired up my trusty Toro snow blower. This was going to be a cinch! I love plowing through thick blankets of white stuff - shooting jets of snow everywhere! Unfortunately, ten minutes into demolition derby my Toro died on me. What is this! It's only 20-plus years old! Actually I don't know how old the damned thing is as I inherited it from my dad. I just filled it with a fresh tank of gas purchased from the station a couple of months ago, so I knew it wasn't bad fuel. It's probably a gummed-up spark plug or maybe a clogged fuel line, neither of which were accessible without doing some serious disassembly, the kind of disassembly that in my heart I knew my own hands would not be able to reassemble. It was time to face the music. My Toro was dead, and was going to stay dead for the remainder of this freaking snow storm. Time to break out the back-breaking shovel. Suddenly all this white stuff doesn't look so much like fun anymore. * * * * * * It's now mid-evening as I send this post off for the Collective's review. I'm happy to report that the neighborhood pitched in, helping each other dig out. Despite my grumpiness it was nice to see community come together in times like this. Despite all this heroic community effort my aching muscles and back have endured three labor intensive shoveling sessions. I also raked 18 inches of the #% heavy wet stuff off of the northern slope of the house. It was a miracle I didn't induce a mini avalanche and end up buried suffocated under one of my incessant tugs. The weatherman sez the carnage will cease later tonight. We can then expect very windy conditions and temperatures falling through the roof into the single digits by Friday night. All this heavy wet snow... by tomorrow we're going to be stumbling about like drunken sailors stranded on top of a craggy glacier. I suspect I have one more major session scheduled late this evening when the snow has hopefully ceased for good - before things begin to solidify. What's also on the evening agenda: tackling a ten-foot long berm recently deposited at the base of my driveway, for the second time today, complements of our city's quick and efficient snowplow armada. Sigh... I've already gone through several shirts (from sweating profusely) and two pairs of soggy gloves. Thank god my snow boots have held up through it all. Needless to say, I'm sore from all this exertion. No need to run 2 miles for exercise tonight. Everything is closed down in Madison. It's deceptively quiet outside, except for the distant mutter and scraping of snowplows desperately trying to stay ahead of the game. * * * * * Dear Santa: I've been a very good boy this year. Could you see it in your heart to send me a set of wiki-waterproof cold-fusion powered electric gloves and socks for Christmas? My favorite are the ones sold in the Lands End catalogue... see page 37, the A'OK Lumberjack combo, plaid electric green, but red or blue works for me too. I'd also ask you for a brand new TORO cold fusion powered snow blower, but I probably haven't been that good. BTW, I've been meaning to ask you, what do you think about AGW? Has it affected your supply chains? I'll leave some milk and cookies out for you. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Digging out in Wisconsin
Piccys!!! Are the cats warm?
RE: [Vo]:[OT] Digging out in Wisconsin
Terry sez: Piccys!!! Are the cats warm? Yes they are, all nice a cozy! But Charm just HAD to go out for a spell. I just shot this 20 minutes ago on the back porch. We constructed an insulated Styrofoam box for her hole up in. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks attachment: IMG_3105_cropped.jpg
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Digging out in Wisconsin
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Yes they are, all nice a cozy! But Charm just HAD to go out for a spell. I just shot this 20 minutes ago on the back porch. We constructed an insulated Styrofoam box for her hole up in. Aaaaw. How considerate! You wouldn't want a 58 yr old son, eh? :-) Happy b'ak'tun 14! I understand that, at 5 am tomorrow, we will all be able to communicate via ESP and levitate. I feel lighter already. http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-agers-end-mayan-calendar-herald-cosmic-dawn-150016975.html
Re: [Vo]:some reviews on my books coming out
I got 4 stars. I would have received if it were not for those typos following me around like a swarm of bees. http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Antigravity-Znidarsic-Science-ebook/dp/B00AD6ARD6/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1356062169sr=1-1keywords=frank+znidarsic+science+books -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2012 6:02 pm Subject: [Vo]:some reviews on my books coming out http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread904811/pg1 I know not everyone agrees with me. I do have a peer reviewed paper in the pipeline, however I am now 60 years old and don't have forever for the Journal Editors to agree with me. My book gets the word out quickly Amazon is doing a good job. It would cost more that $10 to photo copy and bind this material. I sorry that I can't please everyone. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Everyone Needs a Hobby
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Actually setting up the quadrorotor with a machine gun (carrying a lot of rounds!) and designing the control system to anticipate recoil when the gun is fired, maintaining attitude and targeting control, that would be difficult and very, very expensive to do. No doubt such a system is under active development. You would want a very reliable gyroscope in this instance. Eric
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: We have not found LENR effects that produce much prompt radiation, or much of any radiation. That's quite an interesting observation, itself. There may be something about LENR mechanisms that suppresses unstable products, that takes the reaction all the way to stable products (like helium) while non-photon/phonon emissions remain at low levels. And the photons cannot be high-energy, or they would easily be detected. Note that there are multiple findings of collimated x-rays, which adds an interesting twist to the trail of evidence. The fly in this ointment is that Be-8 has a normal half-life of a femtosecond. It doesn't seem like it would have time to decay as described, so the alphas would have *much* higher energy, and that *would* be observed. You don't have 20 MeV alphas zipping around with no observable effects. Even if there is no prompt gamma, there will be secondary radiation, and plenty of it. This leads one to suspect that some of the momentum of whatever reaction is occurring is being shared with the heavier lattice atoms. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
At 06:24 PM 12/20/2012, James Bowery wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 05:06 PM 12/20/2012, James Bowery wrote: Induction heating would require a visible device nearby. If Lucky Saint is sincerely attempting to help the world by releasing this technology, as he has presumably attempted by disclosing the fabrication technique, then it would be a small additional effort to post a video of a beaker of water containing the boiling device, with the beaker elevated on some sort of stand that would not plausibly contain an induction heater. Faking that video would be difficult enough to motivate a Russ type of fellow, who has access to the requisite resources, to proceed to replicate the recipe. Aw, c'mon. That level of fake would be trivial. Sure, the video might be made so that it would be difficult. But it would still be quite possible with video editing software. Look, it's a lot of work to replicate something like this. I would *not* invest that work unless: You aren't a Russ kind of guy, though, are you? Actually, I am. It's a lot of work, though, so I pick my battles. He's put quite a bit of work into replicating the Papp piston all with even less direct information about how to build one. Yeah. So far, though, he hasn't done the most obvious things to measure what is actually going on. And it is not apparently a replication. It's a resemblance, which can be very different. Am I advising people to go out and build this device based on the current or even the proposed video evidence? I didn't think so. Are you? I was pointing out that the evidence you suggested would not sensibly make much difference. There are some simple things that would. If someone reputable, for example, made the video, it could make a big difference. We've already seen faked videos that got, as an example, Sterling Allen going. I think we are starting to get a little wiser. Allen exposed what he found that showed the videos were faked. That increased Allen's credibility, and he's done the same thing with other situations. Naudin's MAHG replication, however, totally trashed his reputation, or should have. Really. Awful. What did he do when his gross calculation error was exposed? Nothing. The web site still sits there with the blatant error, and he simply stonewalled the criticism. And then the naive look at the site, don't notice the error, and believe his results were amazing. Obviously, there must be a conspiracy to suppress free energy. Come to think of it, though, Allen never followed up on his MAHG page maybe he'll notice this and do something about it. http://pesn.com/2005/06/26/9600116_Naudin_MAHG/
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
At 05:56 PM 12/20/2012, Brad Lowe wrote: The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. Well, close, but not quite. We don't have any clear independent confirmation for those latter devices, but the claims, first of all, are not quite so extreme. There is circumstantial evidence that *something* is happening and the likely delays are due to unreliability, not total deceptions. Yeah, there is a similarity, but heat from NiH has long been reported. It's also never been truly clearly and openly confirmed. It's somewhat like the status of cold fusion, before heat/helium was found, though my impression is that there was more circumstantial evidence for cold fusion back then, and there were wider reports. But with NiH, we have no evidence adequate to establish the ash. It might turn out to be difficult. It is the known and heat-correlated ash from PdD cold fusion that makes the reality of it a scientific certainty. It's still difficult to reliably demonstrate. My opinion is that if Rossi or Defkalion really have *anything*, they should sell demonstration devices. Essentially toys. And they should patent them as such, with energy generation as an additional claim. This is along the lines of the popper kit that was promised and that apparently has never worked. If it had worked, if it had shown real energy release, that would be the kind of demonstration that would break the Papp field open. The same would be true for NiH devices. Make them cheap and sell them! Small is beautiful. But Rossi wants to go for megawatt plants. He can't make a megawatt plant if he can't make a kilowatt, or, for that matter, 100 watts. 10 watts. In any case, I'm not ready to toss Rossi in the same can as this magic penny guy. But, Brad, you have a point. Look, Brillouin is at SRI, setting up to run tests with expert support. We may see something soon. PdD is definitely real, but highly unreliable, still. And expensive even if it works. NiH is nowhere near as solidly established, but is very attractive because of far cheaper materials, and because of some interesting research history, from lots of people. So there is lots of reason to encourage efforts to replicate prior work with NiH, or to explore it more thoroughly. There is no reason to do that with the magic penny.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age
I am not going to respond to your spin anymore. The reader only needs to research this to confirm I am speaking the truth. It's funny how after knowing the history of wikipedia and its authorships, you still cling to it as an authoritative source. Something must be wrong when you have to depend on wikipedia and claim it as an authoritative source. LOL Everyone knows that wikipedia is a politically correct agenda driven site. You should know that by now and yet you appeal to its authority. My goodness, do some real research man. Go to a real library. Look at the history books written by muslims. Study real books, not blogs on the Internet. No wonder you can't graduate with a degree. You don't know how to research and do your own thinking. Wikipeida ... here we come LOL Spins and lies will not help your case. A simple and quick research effort will definitely reveal allah to be the moon god of muhammed's tribe. And muhammed did have dozens of wives and concubines including a 9 year old little girl. Spin it all you want. I just hope people are wise enough to see thru your lies. To my other friends reading this, One other thing is true; islam only spreads by 2 means: By force and by deception. By Force: Anyone who reads the koran will see that it is commanded for a muslim man to kill someone who will not convert to islam; and show that his conversion is real by paying alms. Yes, by force, by crashing 2 airliners into the heart of the Great Satan. Yes, by force, by issuing fatwah to kill all the enemies of muhammed. My friends, if you are reading this, let me tell you a true story that you can research also. There was a flight full of muslim men on board getting ready to fly to mecca for the ramadan. You know that annual thing muslims do where they walk around that big black meteorite stone. Before taking off, the plane suffered engine trouble and had to be delayed. The muslim men on board were so incensed by the delay, that they would be late for this walking around the meteorite thing, that they rose up in a mob and killed the pilot and his co-pilot for conspiracy to prevent them from reaching mecca. Needless to say that the delay would not have made them late; and furthermore, if I remembered correctly, the pilot and co-pilot were also muslims. This my friends is the violence of islam. This my friends, is one way islam spreads, by force of terror. No other religion go about their recruiting will so much violent gusto. Heck they even go after each other to prove which of their prophets is right. No 2 groups go after each other's throats like sunnis and shiites. Yes, this is the trademark of islam. Conversion and expansion thru violence. (BTW, this walking around the meteorite stone Kaaba, is a tradition dating back to their worship of the moon god allah on the kaaba.) And by deception: exactly Lomax is doing right now. He spins the facts and say it's more complicated than that. What's complicated about molesting a 9 year-old little girl barely out of diapers. As far as I know, islam is the only religion that condones and promotes this. This is so repulsive to the sensibilities of man, that we shriek back in horror of the thought of molesting a 9 year-old girl. Even in prison, child molesters are the second class outcasts that have to be separated from the general prison population for fear that other inmates would kill them. Yes, even prison criminals shriek back at the crime of child molestation. But not islam. They celebrate it, justify it or lie about it. Our children are the most precious things in our lives and we do everything to protect them. But not in islam. Women, especially little girls, are just objects to satisfy the lusts of powerful men. History is replete with these examples. And people like Lomax have to lie about it because he is so embarrassed by this retrograde heritage. Either that, or he condones and practices this himself and has to spin it away and justify it. I can show you proof of many statements by islamic leaders about this, but people need to do their own research to prove me wrong. A simple research effort will reveal the truth. JUST DO IT. Don't relay on Lomax's spin and lies, unless of course you want to convert to islam by deception. And one more thing. Do not rely on what I say also. Find out for yourself. That is the only way to convince you of these truths. Not any posts or blogs or lies from self-proclaimed experts who did not graduate. Jojo - Original Message - From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 12:11 PM Subject: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age At 05:51 PM 12/20/2012, a certain author wrote: Which part of what I said do you think is untrue? Note, I am willing to discuss it as long as you
