RE: [Vo]:Re: Progress to date

2014-02-27 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Bob, thanks for the refs – apparently Axil was correct that a magnetic field can increase production – at least in one dimension along the magnetic field, I had assumed this to be only directing the existing pairs but I stand corrected. You know I posit a relativistic explanation of Casimir

RE: [Vo]:My personal brilliant blunder

2014-02-27 Thread Roarty, Francis X
VERY INTERESTING! From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:20 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My personal brilliant blunder Mario Livio states as follows: In my own life as a scientist, there was one occasion when I felt that a deep secret of

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. Bitcoin's built-in deflation is its Achilles heel. James will surely disagree with me on this one, but I'm happy to go along with modern economics on the question of deflation. Keep in mind in this regard

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 7:51 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: I agree. Bitcoin's built-in deflation is its Achilles heel. James will surely disagree with me on this one, but I'm happy to go along with

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
I was at a Sheetz gas station and a woman approached me. She said she was in the military and trying to get back to base. Someone stole her purse. She had a check but they would not cash locally; it was good. Would I cash it for her? If I had an account in a local bank it would be no

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
I don't have a complete list of exchanges that, because they used best known practices with Bitcoin, were not vulnerable to the security problem that MtGox experienced. One such best practices exchange is https://www.kraken.com/ This is to emphasize the two-layered nature of the cryptocurrency

[Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
I am still working on my plastic detector. It can't discriminate between #1 and #5 plastic. The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed between two linear polarizes. The #1 does not. #1 randomizes the polarization and the light path and becomes clear. The effect is dramatic. I

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Here is video of the detector in operation. they are ready at the dump. I am not, as I had promised, ready. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticDetect.mp4 -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 9:49

RE: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
Can you use relative density as a parameter? Many plastics like PVC are relatively dense and will sink in water unless there is entrained air in the sample. This is because their solid density is higher than H2O. OTOH the most of common resins (cheap plastic) - which includes all the

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: Some important details: - There's no hard evidence at any point that anyone has lost their bitcoins. ... The details that are coming to light are somewhat different than I had understood them. I

[Vo]:OT: My Cryptocurrency Involvement

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
Full disclosure for vortex-l regarding my recent comments on cryptocurrency: I've been professionally consulting on cryptocurrency for the last year professionally and am NOT heavily invested in holding any cryptocurrency. Unlike my comments about cold fusion science, my comments on

Re: [Vo]:OT: My Cryptocurrency Involvement

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
I should also state why I find it necessary to emphasize this: Some have misrepresented what I have said about cryptocurrency and this could be professionally damaging if read by uninformed clients. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:24 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Full disclosure for

RE: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
From: James Bowery If Karpeles didn't notice something was going wrong when 50% of his Bitcoin assets were gone -- which should by extrapolation been at least a year ago -- then he wasn't the one running the show. I suspect foul play by some outside agency that saw Karpeles as a central

[Vo]:Small business attempts

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
I voted for Obama and I listened to what he said. He said to start a small business and hire someone. Its the thing to do after you have retired. I have tried. Cold fusion proved to be to hard of a nut for me to crack and I backed off. I next built a cell phone adapter for older cars. I

Re: [Vo]:Re: Progress to date

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Cook
Fran-- Don't thank me. Axil identified the reference about a month ago. I just happened to download it, read it, and understand some of it. I thought it was a very well written paper with nice data. It seems to me that there should be some good Nobel class research going on in this area

Re: [Vo]:My personal brilliant blunder

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Cook
Fran-- I am not sure I understand what Axil thinks was his blunder. Maybe he will explain further. Bob - Original Message - From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:08 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:My personal brilliant blunder VERY

RE: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
For conspiracy enthusiasts, it sounds as if it was the NSA deliberately trying to discredit cryptocurrency ( but it will fail at that. ). Hoyt From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000

Re: [Vo]:Is there an echo in here?

2014-02-27 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:51 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: There have been a few occasions where it was clear you hadn't read my prior messages, since you repeated what I had already said but without attribution, One doesn't need to attribute something to someone if it's a

[Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
The primary issue that the LENR theorist faces is to judge how much is enough or how far do we need to zoom in. The reason why there are so many cold fusion theories is that most theorists have not approached the essence of the LENR issue. To illustrate the situation that LENR faces as a huge

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
This is one of the better insights I've read about cryptocurrency on vortex-l -- in part because it is so obvious that the Japanese mafia are the prime suspects; although they could be doing the dirty work of powerful allies in the US -- allies to whom a billion dollars are crumbs they leave

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed. All of the intact bottles float. They arrive dirty, crushed flat, and with the labels on and off. Large recyclers have methods to do this. These methods are expensive at $100,000. There are a lot of small

Re: [Vo]:My personal brilliant blunder

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Like all of his colleagues, Mario Livio does not understand that LENR can exist, the conditions that cause it to exist and reasons why it comes into being. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Mario Livio states as follows: In my own life as a scientist, there

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
I can't find a futures market for bitcoin. ;-) Yakuza might be the tool but the operators are the Rothchilds since VCs would wrench control of humanity from their tight grip. As will FE.

RE: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
I'd say the same thing about socialism or fascism: Wouldn't it be nice if human nature were different than it is, then this would work. The trouble is it isn't and isn't changeable either. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:56 PM

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Look into modifying this type of device as a value added modification. http://www.olivermanufacturing.com/products/color-sorter.php Wash and then mill the plastic into particles that can be sorted at high speed. software can react to optical characteristics to of particle sensors to air blast

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, after considerable thought and examination of the literature, I can say with certain that the various theories are flawed because they do not acknowledge the chemical conditions in which LENR occurs. Too often various esoteric quantum processes are applied that are in basic conflict with

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Yakuza might be the tool but the operators are the Rothchilds since VCs would wrench control of humanity from their tight grip. A suspect has been identified http://imgur.com/6m1Nocw .

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed. Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread leaking pen
terry, HIGH SPEED is the key. very interesting project. good luck! On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed.

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread H Veeder
Terry, Are you being funny? With barcodes and scanners cashiers don't need to read to price labels. He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without the need for labels. The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code. Harry On Thu,

RE: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
Wait l-p . hodedo. there is a fix for everything. At least 15 years ago - a friend of mine helped design a zip code reader for USPS which operated at blinding speed even then. Now it the improved device reads everything on the address but at one time it only searched for zip codes.

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
This is a systems integration project. All the parts of the system that he wants have already be developed and exist in the marketplace. It is always better to intergrade that to develop from scratch. Total automation is the key with not humans to pay. Customers of this system do not like to

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Need Ideas. video linked below 3mb type mp4. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4 Conditon #1 Two opposed circular polarizers block the light. Condition #2 #1 PET plastic between the polarizers lets in the light. The effect is dramatic and easily detectable.

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
If you serialize the flow of plastic particles, each particle is analyzed based on it own optical characterization. To get high speed throughput, Process a 1000 particles a second one at a time. Multiple parallel particle paths can provide any level of desired throughput. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Cook
Ed-- You stated-- If the limitations imposed by chemistry are applied to what is actually observed, the explanation becomes much clearer. What limitations do you have in mind? Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms

Re: [Vo]:My personal brilliant blunder

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Cook
Fran-- On further reflection and careful reading, I do not think Axil considers he has blundered--only Mario. Mario's blog does not say boo about LENR as far as I can tell. He is interesting, nevertheless. Here is one of his statements: Some fallacies are very seductive, and avoiding them

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread Alain Sepeda
for people interested there is a french (and italian translated) book by a famous architect Yona Firedman : feasible utopia http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=autotl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.esprit68.org%2Futopies.htmlsandbox=1 http://www.esprit68.org/utopies.html one key analysis is that

Re: [Vo]:[OT] 740,000 Bitcoins Missing

2014-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Can you spell “Yakuza”? I can’t, but my spell-checker helps J やくざnowadays, but supposedly it comes from 八九三 which are the numbers 8, 9 and 3. (That would be yatsu, ku, san but it could ya-ku-zan or za in card-shark lingo, as 2 in English is deuce.)

Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light

2014-02-27 Thread John Berry
BTW I should note that while General Relativity predicts time dilation from acceleration, this is apparently not so. Of course this merely means the main cause of disagreement will not be the different rate the clocks keep time, but the path the see the light to take to be straight. This might

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Could this kind of reader be adapted with Kurtzweilian robotics to do the grunt job... ? Sure. But there are high speed plastic sorters already available.

Fwd: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Edmund Storms
Begin forwarded message: From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Date: February 27, 2014 2:15:33 PM MST To: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room, Bob, While what Axil describes are not unconventional

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
I know. I am looking for a robust low cost solution. I have found that if you look at the number #5 though a opposed circular polarizers you get an array of colors with light and dark spots. ref the video. If you look at the same plastic with the second circular polarizer reversed (+ for -)

Fwd: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle? Thank you Terry. The bottles arrive crushed flat in the garbage truck. I have to make another video of the reversing of the colors its neat. I am still thinking and why not, its to cold to go outside. Frank

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Thank you Harry. The polarizing technique almost works. I don't need a robot. A vacuum hose sucks up one bottle at a time from a bin. The vacuum in the blocked hose retracts the hose. We then test it and spit it one way of the other with another blast of air. Upon release of the bottle the

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Foks0904 .
Bob, Not to speak for Ed, but I believe he means that if a nuclear process were to take place within an empty lattice vacancy (i.e. the chemical environment of the cathode; either in bulk or on the surface) that we would see a number of chemical changes within the system well before a nuclear

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Edmund Storms
Exactly right John. The site of the nuclear process MUST occur outside of the chemical structure. Once the correct location is identified, QM can be applied in ways that are consistent with this environment. Trying to fit QM to the lattice is a waste of time. Ed Storms On Feb 27, 2014, at

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread AlanG
On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors. Use a cheap camera sensor and look at the color counts. Assuming the light source is broad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high range of color delta compared to the others. AlanG It's

Re: [Vo]:Small business attempts

2014-02-27 Thread Lennart Thornros
I did not vote for Obama. I do not like his politics very much. The problem is that I dislike most of everything out of the mouth of a politician. Therefore I will defend Obama a little. It is not his fault. Reality is that it is hard to start a business. Even worse it is 25 times harder than

Re: [Vo]:Small business attempts

2014-02-27 Thread Ken Deboer
SMALL Lennart, I couldn't agree more with your take. As a serial biotech entrepeneur, a couple of which went fairly big for a while, the NEED to get rather large too quickly doomed 3 of them. I always said that we had a million dollar appetite on a beer budget. Small is good. ken On Thu,

[Vo]:OT: (sort of): Senator calls on the US government to ban Bitcoin.

2014-02-27 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Regarding recent discussions concerning the legitimacy of Bitcoin, or lack of. See: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/26/5450640/senator-calls-upon-the-us-governme nt-to-ban-bitcoin Title: Senator calls on the US government to ban Bitcoin. Excerpt: Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) just

[Vo]:Teslafy Feb 2014 flicker jpegs

2014-02-27 Thread Harvey Norris
Some vector subtraction amperage 19.1 ma predictions for the noted low 129 volt, 4 inch neon discharge noted this month. Now the car alternator 465 hz resonant device  termed a 666 machine by its one sixth cycle equal mutual inductance effect on 3 phase producing a rotating time vector of 24

Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light

2014-02-27 Thread H Veeder
That is clearer. The thought experiment designed to test GR looks like solid paradox to me. So does the thought experiment designed to test SR. You should illustrate that as well. harry On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:20 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go:

Re: [Vo]:OT: (sort of): Senator calls on the US government to ban Bitcoin.

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
The clear ends of centralized government power to serve those who have acquired enough benefits from the government to afford to defend their interests via politics, while the rest of us try to survive the results, makes me weary of its existence. It should be banned as a public menace. On Thu,

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Axil, after considerable thought and examination of the literature, I can say with certain that the various theories are flawed because they do not acknowledge the chemical conditions in which LENR occurs. Axil: I

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Ed: While what Axil describes are not unconventional theories in physics, they have no relationship to LENR. That is the problem in physics these days, any idea can be applied to LENR no matter how unrelated to reality it might be. The justification being that QM is a world unrelated to common

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Cracks when generalized are an instance of a broad category of phenomena in condensed matter physics called topological defects. This concept is also found in quantum chromodynamics (QCD). We can gain great insight into LENR by studying the generalized characterization of cracks in all the

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Ed: Trying to fit QM to the lattice is a waste of time. Axil: No Ed, this is a critical mistake. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the Pauli Exclusion Principle are critical in understanding what the electrons and photons are doing and where they get their great power from.

Re: [Vo]:OT: (sort of): Senator calls on the US government to ban Bitcoin.

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:38 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: It should be banned as a public menace. What, centralized government or bitcoin? :-)

Re: [Vo]:Small business attempts

2014-02-27 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.comwrote: Think about any project you have been involved in. Is it not true that there were just a few individuals that took on the job and whole horde of bureaucrats who wanted to have their say for reasons hard to determine

Re: [Vo]:OT: (sort of): Senator calls on the US government to ban Bitcoin.

2014-02-27 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: “Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) just sent a letter to federal regulators calling for a ban on the virtual currency Bitcoin. The senator says Bitcoin attracts and enables criminals even as its value

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Cook
Ed-- You said-- Trying to fit QM to the lattice is a waste of time. I would note that the lattice is a QM system and, although complicated, obeys the various laws of QM including separate and unique energies for all like femions in the system and angular momentum for each particle at any

Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Cook
Ed-- I agree with Axil. I just wrote some other comments regarding this item. They basically say the same thing about HUP and PEP. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The elephant in the room,

Re: [Vo]:OT: (sort of): Senator calls on the US government to ban Bitcoin.

2014-02-27 Thread James Bowery
Sen. Manchin (D) of West Virginia passes his w̶i̶n̶d̶ judgement on Bitcoin: The clear ends of Bitcoin for either transacting in illegal goods and services or speculative gambling make me weary of its use.

Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light

2014-02-27 Thread John Berry
I very much appreciate your saying so Harry! You give me faith in humans! Which SR experiment are you saying I should illustrate? On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: That is clearer. The thought experiment designed to test GR looks like solid paradox to me.

Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light

2014-02-27 Thread H Veeder
The linear example you describe below. Harry On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:09 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I very much appreciate your saying so Harry! You give me faith in humans! Which SR experiment are you saying I should illustrate? On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, H

Re: [Vo]:Another attack on the constancy of the speed of light

2014-02-27 Thread H Veeder
On second thought, I am not so sure about the linear example. I will need to see it illustrated to be sure. harry On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:14 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The linear example you describe below. Harry On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:09 AM, John Berry