Re: Thanks V & Bill B & Donations?

2005-02-10 Thread Colin Quinney
Paypal donations to Bill Beaty for maintaining Vortex. Steven, that is an excellent idea. I live in Canada so to send Bill a donation I have to first look up his address on the Internet, then a trip to the bank to get in line for a US money order, then find envelope and stamp and a trip to the

RE: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi Mike, you write: >Labels are dangerous: We need some new labels, ones more descriptive rather than prescriptive. One might imagine from some posts here that liberals might be found sitting around the barbeque roasting unborn children, hot waxing their black helicopters and anxiously awaiting t

Earthquake Coincidence?

2005-02-10 Thread Colin Quinney
Vorts, From: Examine the collision damage from the Antarctic B-15a iceberg in the streaming video. That iceberg is the size of Long Island. Note the date of collision with the shelf. ( http://www.nasa.gov/mpg/105894main_crack_mo

Re: How to appear in the blogoshere?

2005-02-10 Thread Steven Krivit
Harry, Good idea. My guess is that they are not ready yet. I sent out a few press releases to some of the folks at Daily Planet a while ago. My sense is that they have peripheral knowledge of the subject, know where to go to find more info, but they just don't want to go there right now. Also,

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS _ Jared Diamond's "Collapse"

2005-02-10 Thread Mike Carrell
This post from Ed has roused me to comment. Everyone chewing on this problem should go to their bookstore and get Jared Diamond's book "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed". Ecology, resources, and how people react to them are very much part of the problem, and there are no glib ans

Using liquid air as a fuel source to tap ZPE?

2005-02-10 Thread Jones Beene
Several background items are useful to understand what will follow, hopefully, in pursuit of a scheme for a more eco-friendly transportation system. This is the preliminaries for continuing speculation. 1) LOEA = liquid oxygen enriched air = ~58% N2 ~40% O2 Cost to produce at home if everything i

Re: It is worse because it works better

2005-02-10 Thread Steven Krivit
It turned out they literally flew by the seat of their pants. That's profound! s

Re: How useful is liquid N2 if as a fuel source?

2005-02-10 Thread Frederick Sparber
Jones Beene wrote: > > Fred - what do you think about this > > Nitrogen is roughly 80% of air and has little value as an > oxidizer. Oxygen is a strong oxidizer. All strong oxidizers > can technically be called fuels, especially if they can be > enriched to the level of being able to superoxi

Re: How to appear in the blogoshere?

2005-02-10 Thread Harry Veeder
Title: Re: How to appear in the blogoshere? Persuade a program like the Daily Planet on the Discovery Channel to do a piece on the recent DOE review of CF and other developments in the field. As a service to their viewers they normally post links to related to the piece on their web site. Ha

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Eventually mankind will run out of carbon-based energy. At this point civilization will collapse unless a substitute is found. Why not start now to solve this problem rather than waiting until the last minute, as is the usual approach? Of course I agree. But this leads to an

Re: How useful is liquid N2 if as a fuel source?

2005-02-10 Thread Jones Beene
Mike wrote, > In short, liquid N2 is not a FUEL source. At best it is an energy transfer medium, like a battery or compressed air. Yes, but we can muddy the water somewhat by proposing a liquid air hybrid. Liquid air can be a fuel, of sorts. Fred - what do you think about this Nitro

RE: How useful is liquid N2 if as a fuel source?

2005-02-10 Thread Frederick Sparber
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote > > I believe liquid N2 is fairly cheap to make, costing around or slightly less than a gallon of milk volume wise. > LOX from coal electricity costs about $140 per ton, so the LN2 by-product is about $200 per ton if you couldn't market the LOX which is being used fo

Re: How to appear in the blogoshere?

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Krivit wrote: My strategy has been to spend massive amounts of time contacting any and every person I know or learn of that shows some sign of interest and bend their ear a bit. Many of us have done that, for many years. I think the time may be ripe for a new campaign for two reasons. Firs

It is worse because it works better

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Commenting on voice input Steven Krivit wrote: Hey Jed, You have my synthesis. The same think happens with my voice re-order system two. Actually, the latest release of Dragon NaturallySpeaking (Ver. 8) is greatly improved. For me anyway, this has given it an interesting and contradictory propert

Re: How to appear in the blogoshere?

2005-02-10 Thread leaking pen
Anyway, I set out to learn about these blog things . . . and I was not impressed. Most of them seem poorly written and unorganized. Most appear to be right wing political diatribes, or self-centered gabbing about nothing in particular, or recursive comments about the blogosphere itself. >>>

Re: Thermally Rechargeable Batteries Based on Intercalation in Graphite

2005-02-10 Thread Frederick Sparber
This NASA sponsored research item caught my eye the other day. If this works as implied, low grade heat at 50 C to 150 C  (176 F at 80 C, is the radiator coolant temp of your car) from solar, fossil fuel-burning power plants, not to mention CF etc., could change the global energy picture.   htt

Thanks V & Bill B & Donations?

2005-02-10 Thread Steven Krivit
I also want to say to the Vortex group that I really appreciate the recent insightful, articulate and well-reasoned discussions that have occurred here of late. While there may not be any streets or homes here, this is clearly a well-defined and functional community. It is a place that I can co

Re: How to appear in the blogoshere?

2005-02-10 Thread Steven Krivit
You have my sympathies Jed. Although I charge for my CF book, I, like you, didn't write it to make money. Getting out the word of my book, and the subject, is a tough sell right now and I think it's all about what you said, "these people will not risk their reputations to endorse cold fusion --

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Edmund Storms
Just a few words so as to reduce your feeling of being ignored. revtec wrote: What is our collective goal regarding the commercialization of CF? Is it to reduce the level of CO2 emissions to reverse global warming? Yes, this is an important goal. Is it to improve the quality of life by provid

How to appear in the blogoshere?

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
From time to time I notice that bloggers have established links to our web page. Here is an example: http://atomicmotor.blogspot.com/ I have been thinking that it would be nice to introduce cold fusion to more people in the Blogosphere, in order to promote the field. The problem is, I know nothi

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Jones Beene
Horace, > Is this just a guess? There have been a number of recent computer simulations. The number that keeps popping up, such as in this Oxford University report, is that dangerous levels of climate change will happen as early as 2026. Other studies how sooner but this date of 2026 seems most a

Re: Frank Close still bragging about his role in CF

2005-02-10 Thread Steven Krivit
Hey Jed, You have my synthesis. The same think happens with my voice re-order system two. Steve At 02:21 PM 2/10/2005 -0500, you wrote: I wrote: "He and the other hard core components are amazing." I meant "opponents." That is what you get when you dictate a message to voice input and press the

Re: How useful is liquid N2 if as a fuel source?

2005-02-10 Thread Mike Carrell
Steve wrote: > Ok Vorts, what do all you Big Guns (and you know who you are) have to say about using liquid N2 as a viable fuel source? In short, liquid N2 is not a FUEL source. At best it is an energy transfer medium, like a battery or compressed air. It also has a definite half life.

Re: Albedo Modification vs Orbiting Lime

2005-02-10 Thread Horace Heffner
At 8:46 AM 2/10/5, Frederick Sparber wrote: >Got through the Realty Problem, Now for the Reality Problem > >White marble chips ( prone to acid rain degradation) and other reflective >roofing >materials (Gypsum, made by the Megaton by power plant Sulfur Cleaning) on >most housing could lower the ea

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Horace Heffner
At 1:23 AM 2/11/5, John Berry wrote: >But what effect would this have on satellites and future spaceships? >If this is a good idea (and I doubt it) the orbit of the particles would >have to be limited so they are easy to steer round. > >Horace Heffner wrote: [snip] >>This is really a last ditch eff

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Horace Heffner
At 7:45 AM 2/10/5, Jones Beene wrote: >We are 15-25 years away from a "run-away" greenhouse >effect now. Is this just a guess? It seems to me entirely possible we may be a runaway mode right now. Measurements of the tundra surface show methane release is increasing and the area of thawing region

How useful is liquid N2 if as a fuel source?

2005-02-10 Thread orionworks
Ok Vorts, what do all you Big Guns (and you know who you are) have to say about using liquid N2 as a viable fuel source? I believe liquid N2 is fairly cheap to make, costing around or slightly less than a gallon of milk volume wise. N2 is a commonly used product. It?s used in many applications

Re: Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Frederick Sparber
Steve Vincent Johnson > > From: Frederick Sparber. > > > A Liquid Nitrogen fuel economy (as opposed to hydrogen) > > for "Cryocars" and other LN2-powered vehicles ranging > > from scooters to mail trucks would concurrently offer > > a way to extract CO2 and particulate pollutants from > > the a

Re: Frank Close still bragging about his role in CF

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: "He and the other hard core components are amazing." I meant "opponents." That is what you get when you dictate a message to voice input and press the "send" key without even looking at it. - Jed

FW: charging for energy consumption.

2005-02-10 Thread Harry Veeder
> While modern physics represents all forms of energy as equivalent through the > conservation laws, is every form of energy consumption morally equal? .e.g. > Some types of energy consumption keep people from freezing. Is this use of > energy morally equivalent to the energy used to operate a sh

Frank Close still bragging about his role in CF

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Google Alerts brought me this little gem: http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/SC0502/S00025.htm I am sure Close himself wrote the blurb announcing this lecture at the Royal Society of New Zealand. . He and the other hard core components are amazing. I'll bet they have not seen a single paper sin

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Nick Palmer
Jones, I think your post was spot on. If one looks at the geologic record there is evidence that there are several stable atmospheric thermal states signposted by different levels of atmospheric CO2. It is what happens to conditions for life during the changeover periods that concerns me. You p

Re: Suppressed science web site

2005-02-10 Thread Steven Krivit
That site is the brian-child of former mathematics grad student Rochus Boerner (Arizona State) who moved back to Germany last year. > >http://www.suppressedscience.net/ > >http://www.suppressedscience.net/physics.html Many thanks for those two URLs Jed. They contain some very useful stuff. It's n

Re: Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread orionworks
From: Frederick Sparber > Jones Beene's excellent treatise on Global Warming is > worthy of praise. > A Liquid Nitrogen fuel economy (as opposed to hydrogen) > for "Cryocars" and other LN2-powered vehicles ranging > from scooters to mail trucks would concurrently offer > a way to extract CO2 an

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Frederick Sparber
Jones Beene's excellent treatise on Global Warming is worthy of praise. A Liquid Nitrogen fuel economy (as opposed to hydrogen) for "Cryocars" and other LN2-powered vehicles ranging from scooters to mail trucks would concurrently offer a way to extract CO2 and particulate pollutants from the atmo

Message from Russ George about ocean CO2

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
[Since this topic has come up, here is a message that Russ George recently sent me about ocean CO2. - Jed] On Feb. 16th the Kyoto Accord goes into full effect and with it vast majority of the nations of the world will be engaged in a historic coalition to fight the greatest threat which is glob

RE: [OFF TOPIC] Time to start Filtering again

2005-02-10 Thread John Steck
Intelligent discussion of any topic is not a waste of time... inspiration usually comes from unlikely places. -john -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:41 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Time to start F

[OT]God's Solution

2005-02-10 Thread Merlyn
I love this kind of argument.  Let's see how obnoxious I can get with the answer.   Free Will God works in mysterious ways   The argument that a god (does not have to be the christian God whose name is not known) would save us from our own folly is laughable.  The last time God chose to save the wo

Re: Albedo Modification vs Orbiting Lime

2005-02-10 Thread Frederick Sparber
Got through the Realty Problem, Now for the Reality Problem   White marble chips  ( prone to acid rain degradation) and other reflective roofing materials (Gypsum, made by the Megaton by power plant Sulfur Cleaning) on most housing could lower the earth's temperature by altering the Albedo (at

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Jones Beene
--- Nick Palmer wrote: > The thermal condition of the planet is set by the > output of the sun PLUS the heat "retaining" capacity > of the atmosphere and land. Without the natural > greenhouse effect of the atmosphere, Earth would be > an ice planet. This solar output red herring is the > latest

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: However, since the energy provided by CF would for the most part *replace* carbon based fuel consumption, it is mostly an offset . . . This all assumes the efficiency of CF is similar to heat enigines, or that waste heat is used effectively. I think those are very safe assum

Re: Cluster Chemistry

2005-02-10 Thread Grimer
At 02:45 pm 10-02-05 -, you wrote: >That's what happens if you get a Canadian pretending to be Scottish... >Thought I'd redress the balance I love it 8^)

Re: Cluster Chemistry

2005-02-10 Thread Nick Palmer
That's what happens if you get a Canadian pretending to be Scottish... Thought I'd redress the balance

Re: Cluster Chemistry

2005-02-10 Thread Grimer
At 01:31 pm 10-02-05 -, you wrote: >> > >transparent aluminium Scotty? > Shouldn't that be "transparent aluminum Scotty?" ;-)

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Nick Palmer
OK revtec, at least I read your posts!   you wrote "The thermal condition of this planet is set by the output of the sun.  Compared to a one or two percent fluctuation in solar radiation, anything humans can do down here is totally irrelevant"   The thermal condition of the planet is set by t

Re: Cluster Chemistry

2005-02-10 Thread Nick Palmer
<> transparent aluminium Scotty?

Re: Suppressed science web site

2005-02-10 Thread Grimer
At 11:20 am 09-02-05 -0500, you wrote: >See: > >http://www.suppressedscience.net/ > >http://www.suppressedscience.net/physics.html Many thanks for those two URLs Jed. They contain some very useful stuff. It's nice to have it all together in one document. Frank Grimer

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread John Berry
But what effect would this have on satellites and future spaceships? If this is a good idea (and I doubt it) the orbit of the particles would have to be limited so they are easy to steer round. Horace Heffner wrote: At 7:12 PM 2/9/5, revtec wrote: God stuff is considered off topic in this foru

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

2005-02-10 Thread Horace Heffner
At 7:12 PM 2/9/5, revtec wrote: >God stuff is considered off topic in this forum, but I'm covinced that it >is central. Our perception of threats to our existance is directly linked >to our perception of God. Our attitudes toward "God sized" problems are >determined by our concept of God. The t