[Vo]:Re: The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote on 2-25-09: ``Thomas, You have stated most succinctly that in order to be accepted in what seems (at least to me) to comprise a very exclusive membership for acceptance to The Rapture ... Thomas wrote: A Holy G-d is obligated, because he is holy, to bring about the

Re: [Vo]:Hundreds of billions for alternative energy, nothing for cold fusion

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: Contact Minnesota's Senator, Amy Klobuchar. She read my letter on stopping the suppression . . . I will send her a version of my letter to Obama, which is here: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: My thought has always been, if god created man in his own image, and man is inherently sinful... No, no, you don't have that right. God created the angels, the Nephilim, and the human race, but His track record, which is documented in the Bible along with various

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Incidentally, if God used one of Adam's ribs to create Eve, Adam's ribs, mmm! http://www.adamsribs.com/ Terry

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread OrionWorks
Hi Thomas, Thanks for taking the time to express your POV on this interesting subject. I enjoyed your dry sense of humor, rare that it was, that occasionally poked through the rhetoric and ideology. IMHO, your sense of humor is very wise. Hopefully there may come a time when you may allow

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread OrionWorks
Stephen sez: ... Whatever, if the lot of you are going to pursue this silly subject, at least try to get the references right, and don't just *ignore* the ones you don't like. (BTW the Bible actually looks a lot more consistent if we (a) abandon the zero-error approach and (b) attempt to

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread leaking pen
why would god create a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the ability to tell the difference between, if evil did not yet exist? Also, theres no good quote showing that satans fall DEFINATELY happened after man was created, no? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence

[Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
This is the first key to Obama's brilliant energy plan: http://tinyurl.com/dfrew7 or http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/researchers-biofuels-can-provide-viable-sustainable-solution-to-reducing-petroleum-dependence-by-2030 The second key is the plug-in automobile -

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: why would god create a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the ability to tell the difference between, if evil did not yet exist? Hmmm, interesting question! I'm glad you asked me that, young man! Next question, please! (Errr... Perhaps God's ability to foretell the

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Harry Veeder
Yes, but why do we have to keep burning stuff? Harry - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:06 pm Subject: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy This is the first key to Obama's brilliant energy plan: http://tinyurl.com/dfrew7

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread leaking pen
Im saying, especially with the power shown in names by god (Giving to Adam the power to name all animals, and thus control them by their name) ect, wouldn't creating a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and naming it as such, basically CREATE the concept of evil, if it did not already exist?

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Sit back and shut-up, or change you tired old spiel - that is the best thing you can do for us now, Neo-cons and assorted Rush-Bimbo-ites. I assume this is addressed to William Kristol, who wrote today: Republicans need to find reasons to obstruct and delay Obama's agenda.

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: Hi Thomas, Thanks for taking the time to express your POV on this interesting subject. I enjoyed your dry sense of humor, rare that it was, that occasionally poked through the rhetoric and ideology. IMHO, your sense of humor is very wise. Hopefully there may come a time

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread thomas malloy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: leaking pen wrote: My thought has always been, if god created man in his own image, and man is inherently sinful... No, no, you don't have that right. I agree, it was Lucifer's rebellion that brought sin into the world. God created the angels, the

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread thomas malloy
leaking pen wrote: why would god create a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the ability to tell the difference between, if evil did not yet exist? Good question, I wonder what the Zohar has to say about it. Also, theres no good quote showing that satans fall DEFINATELY happened

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread OrionWorks
Jones Beene wrote: Sit back and shut-up, or change you tired old spiel - that is the best thing you can do for us now, Neo-cons and assorted Rush-Bimbo-ites. Jed wrote: I assume this is addressed to William Kristol, who wrote today: Republicans need to find reasons to obstruct and delay

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread leaking pen
Are you suggesting that the 4th planet is what happened the first time Satan got uppity? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net wrote: leaking pen wrote: why would god create a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the ability to tell the difference between,

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread OrionWorks
Hi Thomas, Well just keep this in mind, the world's condition continues to deteriorate, and time will not be yours for ever. I never owned time to begin with. FWIW, some of the worst experiences in my life occurred when I attempted to own and subsequently control time. My two cents. Regards

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: Let me repeat that: ...NEED TO FIND REASONS to obstruct and delay Obama's agenda... What an incredibly revealing sentence. Does he know what he said? It is hilarious. BUT that was the teaser headline. It could be that a Washington Post copy editor composed it, and

RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Rick Monteverde
Jed - Jindal's comments are an example of the lingering anti-technology, anti-science attitude of the Bush administration and the Republican Party. Unfortunately, there is a lot of this attitude in the rest of A demagogue takes things out of context and twists them, weaving truthful content

RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: Jindal was correctly pointing out that volcano monitoring, worthy as it may be, is just an example of the far-fetched things that should NOT be in an emergency economic recovery plan. Volcano monitoring money should be spent, IMO, and everybody, including I would say

[Vo]:Happy Easter (island), and keep your volcanoes clean

2009-02-26 Thread Rick Monteverde
Rapa Nui, a few generations ago: Keep carving that basalt, citizens. Your intellectually superior rulers know that the only way to get out of this crisis is to spend the last of our strength and dimensionally significant forest resources in carving out and dragging these giant Tikis to the other

RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me emphasize again that I am talking here only about volcano monitoring. Rick Monteverde and Jindal may be correct about the overall recovery plan. I have not looked at it. For all I know, it could be 90% pork and wasted money on unnecessary functions of government. Naturally I understand

RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Rick Monteverde
Jed - ... you are not familiar with modern volcano monitoring. Not that you would know anything about me or the ideas and interests I've discussed here all these years, but do you even consider where I live, who I have worked with here, and what I live ON? (Hint: I'll spot you a 'v', an 'o',

RE: [Vo]:Chinese discussion group links to LENR-CANR.org

2009-02-26 Thread Rick Monteverde
Random thought: Americans are largely Sino phobic. Maybe that's useful: a cold fusion gap with the Chicoms. We must catch up! Not being entirely facetious here. I know the media dumps on LENR, but they really have ZER0 loyalty to any position they seem to be taking. It's whatever works for them at

Re: [Vo]:Happy Easter (island), and keep your volcanoes clean

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: Instead we cripple ourselves and spend what may be the last of our economic cred in the world on monitoring volcanoes and such. Got proof the monitoring we now have is inadequate to inform for public safety? Of course you don't. It isn't. Rick, this is nonsense. Your

[Vo]:Thoughts on this and that

2009-02-26 Thread Kyle Mcallister
Vortexians, left, right, center, up, down, backwards, sideways, snakebit, and/or whatever political/religious/etc. leanings you may have: A few points, directed in seemingly random directions at no one party (all seem equally guilty here), but maybe not so random? 1. Someone should go read the

RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: I just correctly pointed out that environmental monitoring, good or otherwise, is a great example of NOT-STIMULUS . . . This is a different issue entirely. According to Keynsians, spending money for any purpose is a stimulus. I wouldn't know about that. I know

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Edmund Storms
You forget Jed that WWII was not a stimulus to the rest of the world and we gained only because we sold the items that were destroyed for gold. After WWII we were the only country that could manufacture much of anything for a long time. I don't think the approach you suggest would work

RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Rick Monteverde
Jed - 2. It promotes economic growth according to Keynesian theory. Let's agree to disagree on that point. We agree on the intrinsic value of volcano and other environmental monitoring for well being and safety I 'm sure, and even further to wide ranging basic research, etc. --- except perhaps

RE: [Vo]:Happy Easter (island), and keep your volcanoes clean

2009-02-26 Thread Rick Monteverde
Jed - Volcano experts say the equipment we now have has not been updated in 8 to 16 years and it is falling to pieces. Okay, maybe they are lying, but if they are telling the truth, we have a serious problem. It is as if our last weather forecasting satellites were about to go out of service

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Also consider this, what to you think would happen if the human race, in it's present sinful condition, got loose in the galaxy? I don't know what

Re: [Vo]:OT: Galaxy may be full of 'Earths,' alien life

2009-02-26 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Sez cnn.com: Galaxy may be full of 'Earths,' alien life See: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/25/galaxy.planets.kepler/index.html

[Vo]:Solar - will it flare up?

2009-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
The new stimulus act has a generous renewable energy provision for Solar and Wind Energy, so what gives with investors? (besides no cash ;-) Hmmm... maybe related to... Sunburn ?? Solar stocks have recently been doing not much better than banks, and many investors got burned - even as the

Re: [Vo]:Solar - will it flare up?

2009-02-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:50:28 -0800 (PST): Hi, [snip] Check this out: http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/02/23/daily23.html Jones Note that $1/W is probably per peak Watt, not per average Watt (over the year). IOW in order to compare with e.g.

Re: [Vo]:Solar - will it flare up?

2009-02-26 Thread Jones Beene
Agreed - but Solar is the very kind of investment by government (low fat pork ;-) which not only can provide many jobs for the short term- and yet with a meaningful long-term net benefits ... the gift that keeps on giving, so to speak... ...and as such: solar or wind is highly preferable to

Re: [Vo]:Solar - will it flare up?

2009-02-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:25:55 -0800 (PST): Hi, Agreed - but Solar is the very kind of investment by government (low fat pork ;-) which not only can provide many jobs for the short term- and yet with a meaningful long-term net benefits ... the gift that keeps on

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on this and that

2009-02-26 Thread leaking pen
4. When you get down to it, no one owes anyone anything. It all cancels out. You highminded geeks owe the lowly greasemonkey and metal press operator just as much as he owes you. So shut up. preach on brother! That opinion pisses me off a lot, Some of my friends that were able to go to a REAL

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: You forget Jed that WWII was not a stimulus to the rest of the world and we gained only because we sold the items that were destroyed for gold. After WWII we were the only country that could manufacture much of anything for a long time. I don't think the approach you

[Vo]:OT:Obama's stimulus package

2009-02-26 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGwFVNN-Uq8

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: 2. It promotes economic growth according to Keynesian theory. Let's agree to disagree on that point. We don't disagree. You say the Keynesians are wrong and I say I don't have a clue if they are right or wrong. I am not taking their side. I am just reported what they

Re: RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread Harry Veeder
q: when is a stimulus not a stimulus? a: whenit is exciting for others but not for you. Harry - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:51 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy Rick Monteverde wrote: I just

Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy

2009-02-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:05:28 -0500: Hi, [snip] So-called boondoggles or pork fail in category 3. They produce no benefit. But, as I said, WWII produced no benefit yet it seemed to succeed as a stimulus, so perhaps all you need are items 1 and 2. Either that, or

Re: [Vo]:Hundreds of billions for alternative energy, nothing for cold fusion

2009-02-26 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Contact Minnesota's Senator, Amy Klobuchar. She read my letter on stopping the suppression . . . I will send her a version of my letter to Obama, which is here: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm Excellent paper Jed, but it's President Obama. ---

Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture

2009-02-26 Thread thomas malloy
leaking pen wrote: Are you suggesting that the 4th planet is what happened the first time Satan got uppity? He was a murder from the beginning. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---

[Vo]:OT:Obama's stimulus package

2009-02-26 Thread Harry Veeder
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