Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas sez: According to a news report I just heard, Minnesota had a record low for March 12 this morning in Embarass. It's cold in Madison too. The following web site would seem to indicate that global temps have indeed cooled within the last twelve months:

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: I'm frustrated with this exchange as well. You seem to be unwilling to acknowledge that any of my comments have any merit at all. Oh come now. Of course I realize what you are saying! I know what the standards of science are supposed to be, and what has happened in the

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: According to a news report I just heard, Minnesota had a record low for March 12 this morning in Embarass. You do realize, I hope, that this has no bearing whatever on the validity of global warming observations. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed, If you understand what I'm saying, then make this clear and stop arguing every point. In any case. I don't have time to get into a nitpicking discussion. I asked a simple question. Exactly how would you promote the field? I'm not interested in general ideas such as do what Obama

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: You think you have all the information you need to make the effort. No, I do not. I require complete descriptions of experiments, I believe Ed Storms published a complete description of his recent experiments with gas phase LENR and radiation

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: According to a news report I just heard, Minnesota had a record low for March 12 this morning in Embarass. You do realize, I hope, that this has no bearing whatever on the validity of global warming observations. You do realize, I hope, that this

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: You do realize, I hope, that this has no bearing whatever on the validity of global warming observations. You do realize, I hope, that this has been an ongoing pattern this year. An ongoing pattern where? In your state? In North America? This is not the worldwide

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: No, I do not. I require complete descriptions of experiments, I believe Ed Storms published a complete description of his recent experiments with gas phase LENR and radiation generation, didn't he? I think we need an even more comprehensive description of some

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: You do realize, I hope, that this has no bearing whatever on the validity of global warming observations. You do realize, I hope, that this has been an ongoing pattern this year. An ongoing pattern where? In your state? In North America? This is

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Harry Veeder
I think an estimate of the cost of doing an experiment like Oriani's would be persuasive too. ;-) Harry - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:00 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:promoting CF Jed, If you understand what I'm saying, then

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: I asked a simple question. Exactly how would you promote the field? I do not have a simple answer. I have a whole series of ideas that I have proposed at various times to different researchers. They include things such as enhanced Internet presentations, outreach

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Everything I do is rational and well focused. I am a programmer. Bzzzt! So am I. And so are lots of folks I know. Believe me, one does *not* follow from the other! Rational and well focused ... well, I've known one or two programmers like that, I guess... a couple of

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread leaking pen
More importantly, winters are getting colder, from more open water and less ice, causing more reflection back, and summers hotter, melting the ice, repeating the cycle. look at summer data, and winter data. hotter in summer, colder in winter, than previous. This is why its called global climate

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: More importantly, winters are getting colder, from more open water and less ice, causing more reflection back, More reflection? Doesn't sound right. Do you mean, rather, more radiation? As in, lower albedo means radiative cooling proceeds faster, not just radiative

[Vo]:Poor Petit put upon

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
The aficionados continue to pile onto Charles Petit. I begin to feel sorry for the man. I added a comment just now to belay the suspicion that he did not study the field before publishing his article. I wouldn't want people to get the wrong impression. See:

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 13, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Does Johnson-Matthey Type A palladium still work? Fleischmann and I do not know. The manufacturing method was changed sometime after 1989 to reduce toxicity during manufacturing. The newer formulation

[Vo]:Notes on Type A palladium

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: A problem exists with respect to Type A Pd, which is claimed to be used for gas purification. However, only the Pd075Ag25 alloy is used for this purpose because this alloy, unlike pure Pd, does not crack upon reacting with H2. Nevertheless, Fleischmann claimed the Type

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas sez: According to a news report I just heard, Minnesota had a record low for March 12 this morning in Embarass. Not to change the subject... well, actually I am going to change the subject... Back around Feb. 24, within the subject thread [OT - The Rapture] you once ranted: If a

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: This is obviously a sad, sad story where everyone looses. loses He looses his fateful sword, and she loses her head. (Sorry to make a joke a dreadful situation but it is a good mnemonic device which we sure need with English spelling.) - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Notes on Type A palladium

2009-03-13 Thread Edmund Storms
Thanks for this detail Jed, but no where do I see mentioned that this material is a Pd-Ag alloy. The emphasis is on the production method, a method that is normally applied to pure Pd. Consequently, the confusion remains. Ed On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: OrionWorks wrote: This is obviously a sad, sad story where everyone looses. loses He looses his fateful sword, and she loses her head. (Sorry to make a joke a dreadful situation but it is a good mnemonic device which we sure need with English spelling.) - Jed Once again,

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread leaking pen
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Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: Finally, I believe global warming is thought to produce temperature extremes including colder than normal temperatures in winter. That's why they call it Climate Change, it covers them either way. It only covers them if the climate is, in fact, changing. It has to

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Finally, I believe global warming is thought to produce temperature extremes including colder than normal temperatures in winter. That's why they call it Climate Change, it covers them either way. It only covers them if the climate is, in fact,

[Vo]:come April 8!

2009-03-13 Thread thomas malloy
It will come as no surprise to people who have experienced winter here in the great frozen north, that the Mississippi River is frozen over at the Port of St. Paul. It has just been announced that the shipping season will begin later than normal. The latest that shipping has ever begun is

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas sez: ... But it has been revealed, ... Granted, I'm probably taking the phrase out of context. Priceless, nevertheless. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread leaking pen
Umm, my name isnt steven On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:30 PM, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Finally, I believe global warming is thought to produce temperature extremes including colder than normal temperatures in winter. That's why

Re: [Vo]:promoting CF

2009-03-13 Thread Mike Carrell
Gentlemen, I have no solution to offer. I cannot fault Jed, who has invested a couple decades of his time and treasure in promoting CF with every means at his disposal, including constructively nagging every investigator in the field. Nor can I fault Ed for his open-minded scholarship an

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
leaking pen wrote: Umm, my name isnt steven Ahh, there are so many stevens, stephens, steves, and whatnot in this group that nobody can keep them straight anymore, and I'm not surprised that thomas gets confused and thinks everything's coming from some steph/ven or other I even

[Vo]:CBC Radio show:Science and Common Sense

2009-03-13 Thread Harry Veeder
When Copernicus showed that the earth revolves around the sun, Galileo said that he had made "reason conquer sense." But without confidence in our senses, Sajay Samuel says, we have no basis on which to question science. He argues for a revival of common sense.

Re: [Vo]:Notes on Type A palladium

2009-03-13 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
ARRGH! How can everything in this field be so *vague* !? If I read the messages from Jed and Dr. Storms correctly, it's not known at this time whether PF used pure palladium, or used a Pd/Ag alloy. That doesn't seem like a trivial difference! It's as though Dr. Jekyll not only couldn't get a

[Vo]:Energetics Technology website

2009-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://superwavefusion.com/

Re: [Vo]: Boswell windless turbine...

2009-03-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:52:31 -0400: Hi, [snip] None the less the voltage they were insulating against is the thing we're interested in here. I also recall seeing claims that it was the earth gradient at fault but I didn't think that was considered

Re: [Vo]:Notes on Type A palladium

2009-03-13 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: ARRGH! How can everything in this field be so *vague* !? If I read the messages from Jed and Dr. Storms correctly, it's not known at this time whether PF used pure palladium, or used a Pd/Ag alloy. That doesn't seem like a trivial

Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold

2009-03-13 Thread leaking pen
Absolutely. I find it best to shop local produce, and theres a big difference between green farms and organic ones sometimes. There are a lot of alternative labeling systems in place, hopefully a few with a methodology that makes more sense than the organic label become more mainstream. On Fri,