Re: [Vo]:Comment from Dr Mitchell Schwartz on Krivit
just to say that Krivit just make an article about his mistakes http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/06/swartz-responds-to-our-reports-about-his-claims/ he recognize them, but also blame of lack of clarity of data at the time he made the claims... maybe should stop calling for conspiracy, and critics both scoop hunting and unclear claims... peace and love to all people of good will.
[Vo]:Dr Mitchell Schwartz- Disingenuous File on Krivit
Greetings Vortex, I just noticed this update on Dr Schwartz page: http://world.std.com/~mica/DisingenuousKrivit20072.pdf Ron Kita, Chiralex
[Vo]:Hybrid Stirling ??
Assume that Ni-H anomalous heat gain will soon be demonstrated to be the robust kind of energy source that its most fervent supporters (Rossi fanboys) believe that it already is. Never mind that the proof may come from a spin-off competitor- DGT. Assume that this technology easily takes over the space heating/ hot water markets almost completely in the coming years. If it works at all, this is a no-brainer. Assume that the upper limit for reliable heat extraction is 400 C. There is independent evidence for this limit, but DGT claims much higher. Anyway, the operative word is reliable over months. The specific reason that 400 C may be an upper limit of reliability relates to Ahern's emergent theory of operation - nanomagnetism. ~350 C is the effective trigger temp in this theory (and the Curie point of Ni) and you must stay near that trigger, but not far above it, or else things can spin out of control, so to speak. OK, this is still part of the preface to the main point of this posting. To move the Ni-H technology into other important markets - such as transportation and grid electricity, conversion into electricity is desirable if not required. Even though the cost of heat is low, it is far from free - and other considerations (nickel replacement cost) favor the highest efficiency possible. With all of these considerations in the background, we go back to where we were in past weeks with consideration of the various options for conversion of heat to electrical power including: solid state (TEC or thermionics), steam, Stirling, or ORC (organic Rankine). In the past, many of us have focused on the ORC option as being in the best position to succeed, mainly because one company seems to be in early production with adequate efficiency: http://www.infinityturbine.com/ORC/ORC_Waste_Heat_Turbine.html Of course, everyone agrees that solid state is the way to go in the long run, once the efficiency of that tech gets to a much higher level. But no one is there yet. For instance, using a radioisotope heat source, the Stirling gets 400% more energy than solid state can achieve (that could change): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_radioisotope_generator Anyway, after this long (and presumptive) setup to the following proposal - what I would like to introduce today is a hybrid Stirling of the 4-cylinder double-alpha variety with one huge difference. That difference is the attempt to introduce a shock wave. This idea of a shock wave is already in the public domain, and I make no claim to it, other than that is seems to be a good fit for Ni-H. This can involve not just a shock wave, but a synergetic boost to the Ni-H reaction as well. The one big advantage of typical gasoline or diesel ICE operation which is missing in the Stirling is the shock wave. If it can be incorporated into the double alpha design using a Ni-H heat source, then that could push this option over the top, at least in terms of appeal to automotive companies, since piston engines are their specialty - and the Stirling may be double the efficiency of ORC with it. In part 2 of this rambling chain of thought, I will also try to frame one method and its inherent synergy for creating both the shock wave and a reaction boost, which is a burst of RF (cavity resonant in the microwave spectrum) at TDC of the displacer (hot side). The synergy completely depends on the Rossi claim that only 10s of watts of RF (~50 watts) can keep the Ni-H reaction stable at outputs of 6-20 kW per module. That is perfect for what would be 4 porous nickel modules (one per cylinder) with an output of 30 kW total. However, that claim of AR is controversial, since DGT does not use RF. And since this post is getting too long now - more extensive coverage will come later (hopefully today) on these issues. Set your spam filters accordingly. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Hybrid Stirling ??
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Assume that Ni-H anomalous heat gain will soon be demonstrated to be the robust kind of energy source that its most fervent supporters (Rossi fanboys) . . . The term fanboy irks me. Please stop using it. No one here fits that description, and Rossi does not have many fans elsewhere. Assume that the upper limit for reliable heat extraction is 400 C. There is no reason to think this. Many reactions have been hotter than this, including ones that cause explosions, and things like glow discharge. Rossi never said the limit is 400 deg C as far as I know. There is independent evidence for this limit, but DGT claims much higher. Where is the independent evidence? To move the Ni-H technology into other important markets - such as transportation and grid electricity, conversion into electricity is desirable if not required. Toyota and GM have done a lot of work on hybrid electric cars, so I think this is the best way forward. If they had not already put billions into this technology then perhaps some sort of direct drive would be better. Hybrid Diesel electric railroad locomotives are also the standard, as are big marine engines on cruise ships and the like. Generally speaking, technology takes what already exists and improves on it, even if the existing solution is suboptimal. If we use grid electricity 50 years from now it will only be because we use it now. The infrastructure is paid for (although it will have to be maintained), and we know how to use it. Even though the cost of heat is low, it is far from free - and other considerations (nickel replacement cost) favor the highest efficiency possible. I disagree. Other considerations will put favor some measure of efficiency, but it will be much lower than present-day efficiency. This is what we see in conventional nuclear fission power reactors. They are much less efficient than combustion generators. They run at lower temperatures. They waste more heat because that reduces wear and tear. Of course, everyone agrees that solid state is the way to go in the long run, once the efficiency of that tech gets to a much higher level. Definitely. It is already good enough for some critical applications, such as pacemaker batteries or remote telephone repeaters. - Jed
[Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
They were put in gen-ph, arxiv's trashbin. It would be better if they had not sent it. 2012/2/7 David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Antarctica's buried Lake Vostok has supposedly been breached by a Russian team, following an arduous and very expensive effort. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57372465/russian-team-reaches-antarctica s-buried-lake-vostok-say-reports/ Hold the presses. Here is a prediction on what they will find ... and if true, this little detail may uncover why the Russians spent so many petrodollars on what appears to be science only, ostensibly with no commercial impact. Now, it is true that Russia does and has done meaningful basic scientific research over the years - defined as that which is not aimed at immediate financial success. However, it is easy to see why one would be a bit cynical of the ultimate motivations of Putin Co - in recent years. The New Russia is essentially closer to a criminal enterprise than to a democracy, No? Anyway, onto the cynical prediction. Lake Vostok, which about the size of Lake Ontario contains water that is roughly 1 to 20 million years old at a temperature that that would freeze all the way down - were it not for the high pressure and a small amount of interior heat from the core of earth - heat that is filtering up in a way that keeps the lake liquid at the bottom, even with two miles of solid ice above it. This dynamic mechanism can be described as a cold reflux conditions, and it is why I predict that they Russians will discover that the lake contains heavy water in a high percentage! There is a known method for low temperature enrichment of heavy water, that would be slow - but a million years minimum is long enough to make a this kind of thing happen. Depending on the level of enrichment, the value of the water in the lake, based on the present cost of heavy water could be over $100 trillion if the demand were there. Of course, that never happens - since supply and demand would lower the price by many orders of magnitude. However, if there were a large market for heavy water at a hundred times less per gallon, the Russian effort could still be a winner and Putin's new company will take your order now. Deuterium oxide is about 11 % denser than H2O and freezes at 3.8 °C, 277 K, 39 °F, following which it sinks. That's right - deuterium ice sinks at a rapid rate in cold water, as is often demonstrated in first year physics. The column of ice above lake Vostok is not solid and is always in a state of a slow-motion version of this dynamic effect, since the ice is under pressure. Importantly, deuterium will also gradually jump around to replace protium in adjacent water molecules to form heavy water (D2O) preferentially over DHO in a process of self-enrichment, due to QM and other factors. But the fact that D2O ice sinks preferentially, even in the mixed solid, provides a possible mechanism to enrich in a pressurized cold environment, over millions of years - where heavy ice is denser and has a bosonic nucleus. The slight affinity of bosons for absorbing IR over fermions could be the final piece of the puzzle - one that will only be apparent when we see the Russians constructing a pipeline to get the heavy water to market :-) You heard it first on Vo... Jones attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation
While waiting for useful, conclusive information, impatience can lead to data prospecting. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11 It seems that forums 11 thru 16 require special permissions. Only f=11 displays a forum name: Associates Corner (Registered users of associated companies on Hyperion construction and science) Do any Vortexians have such access? I'd ask AussieGuy, but he seems to have disappeared when the lights came on. I'm just a bit curious if there is a great deal of behind-the-scenes discussion. Under the forum statistics, DGT claims 5,031 total posts, of which all can be explained by the General Open Discussions group. Conversely, the forum statistics also claim 537 total topics, of which only 419 are currently in the General Open Discussions group. I'm unfamiliar with the phpBB statistical scheme, so this disparity may be readily explainable by the regular removal of spam topics and extraneous/duplicated postings. Thoughts? R.L.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation
Invisible forums and subforums is something common. Sometimes, to see them, you are required to register on websites. In general, admins and mod uses hidden forums to discuss forum policies. I don't think this is a big deal. 2012/2/7 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com While waiting for useful, conclusive information, impatience can lead to data prospecting. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11 It seems that forums 11 thru 16 require special permissions. Only f=11 displays a forum name: *Associates Corner (Registered users of associated companies on Hyperion construction and science)* Do any Vortexians have such access? I'd ask AussieGuy, but he seems to have disappeared when the lights came on. I'm just a bit curious if there is a great deal of behind-the-scenes discussion. Under the forum statistics, DGT claims 5,031 total posts, of which all can be explained by the General Open Discussions group. Conversely, the forum statistics also claim 537 total topics, of which only 419 are currently in the General Open Discussions group. I'm unfamiliar with the phpBB statistical scheme, so this disparity may be readily explainable by the regular removal of spam topics and extraneous/duplicated postings. Thoughts? R.L. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation
ah ah, name have disappeared, like LENR on NI communities site... seems to be talk between engineers and researchers, and business men, far from the memonomenon scientists ;-) 2012/2/7 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com While waiting for useful, conclusive information, impatience can lead to data prospecting. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11 It seems that forums 11 thru 16 require special permissions. Only f=11 displays a forum name: *Associates Corner (Registered users of associated companies on Hyperion construction and science)* Do any Vortexians have such access? I'd ask AussieGuy, but he seems to have disappeared when the lights came on. I'm just a bit curious if there is a great deal of behind-the-scenes discussion. Under the forum statistics, DGT claims 5,031 total posts, of which all can be explained by the General Open Discussions group. Conversely, the forum statistics also claim 537 total topics, of which only 419 are currently in the General Open Discussions group. I'm unfamiliar with the phpBB statistical scheme, so this disparity may be readily explainable by the regular removal of spam topics and extraneous/duplicated postings. Thoughts? R.L.
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Have you see The Stuff? 2012/2/7 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Antarctica's buried Lake Vostok has supposedly been breached by a Russian team, following an arduous and very expensive effort. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57372465/russian-team-reaches-antarctica s-buried-lake-vostok-say-reports/ Hold the presses. Here is a prediction on what they will find ... and if true, this little detail may uncover why the Russians spent so many petrodollars on what appears to be science only, ostensibly with no commercial impact. Now, it is true that Russia does and has done meaningful basic scientific research over the years - defined as that which is not aimed at immediate financial success. However, it is easy to see why one would be a bit cynical of the ultimate motivations of Putin Co - in recent years. The New Russia is essentially closer to a criminal enterprise than to a democracy, No? Anyway, onto the cynical prediction. Lake Vostok, which about the size of Lake Ontario contains water that is roughly 1 to 20 million years old at a temperature that that would freeze all the way down - were it not for the high pressure and a small amount of interior heat from the core of earth - heat that is filtering up in a way that keeps the lake liquid at the bottom, even with two miles of solid ice above it. This dynamic mechanism can be described as a cold reflux conditions, and it is why I predict that they Russians will discover that the lake contains heavy water in a high percentage! There is a known method for low temperature enrichment of heavy water, that would be slow - but a million years minimum is long enough to make a this kind of thing happen. Depending on the level of enrichment, the value of the water in the lake, based on the present cost of heavy water could be over $100 trillion if the demand were there. Of course, that never happens - since supply and demand would lower the price by many orders of magnitude. However, if there were a large market for heavy water at a hundred times less per gallon, the Russian effort could still be a winner and Putin's new company will take your order now. Deuterium oxide is about 11 % denser than H2O and freezes at 3.8 °C, 277 K, 39 °F, following which it sinks. That's right - deuterium ice sinks at a rapid rate in cold water, as is often demonstrated in first year physics. The column of ice above lake Vostok is not solid and is always in a state of a slow-motion version of this dynamic effect, since the ice is under pressure. Importantly, deuterium will also gradually jump around to replace protium in adjacent water molecules to form heavy water (D2O) preferentially over DHO in a process of self-enrichment, due to QM and other factors. But the fact that D2O ice sinks preferentially, even in the mixed solid, provides a possible mechanism to enrich in a pressurized cold environment, over millions of years - where heavy ice is denser and has a bosonic nucleus. The slight affinity of bosons for absorbing IR over fermions could be the final piece of the puzzle - one that will only be apparent when we see the Russians constructing a pipeline to get the heavy water to market :-) You heard it first on Vo... Jones -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Have you see The Stuff? Did you mean The Thing ? Rob
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Not really! The stuff! Jones was talking about extracting something, lol. 2012/2/7 Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Have you see The Stuff? Did you mean The Thing ? Rob -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
The key phrase in the abstract is: In the resulting model, there appears a new term in which nuclear transitions are coupled to lattice vibrations. I wonder if Hagelstein has been reading Znidarsic's work? :-) -m -Original Message- From: David ledin [mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Daniel, this particular stuff about D2O enrichment via a long-term density reflux mechanism is serious science. I realize that this is not always the case on vortex. No smiley this time. The Stuff . cough.cough . OTOH (as it appears on Wiki) seems to be a low budget horror flick made by the brother of that PR exec - Ronni something - who was murdered last year in Beverly Hills . or am I missing other stuff ? LOL. I did get a chuckle out of reading the plot-line, and the cast looks like a sleazy 'Law and Order' remake, but methinks your comment could be tacit payback for a certain tongue-in-cheek radiation sickness spoof of a few days ago, no? From: Daniel Rocha * Have you see The Stuff? * Antarctica's buried Lake Vostok has supposedly been breached by a Russian team, following an arduous and very expensive effort. Hold the presses. Here is a prediction on what they will find ... and if true, this little detail may uncover why the Russians spent so many petrodollars on what appears to be science only, ostensibly with no commercial impact.
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Von: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 17:51 Dienstag, 7.Februar 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake You heard it first on Vo... Jones --- Not to forget: The Russians are also strong in research on biological transmutations. http://www.iscmns.org/iccf16/course_on_transmutation.htm And: Those critters down there had a lot of time doing something useful. ;) Maybe the Russians just feel sympathetic for those super-Siberians.
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
I haven't thought of a payback! Just a funny thing that I thought :) But I am kind of annoyed by this cheap soap opera that never seem to end. I have hopes for DGT, but I lost on Rossi. His talk about robotic production line, his not talking anymore about wide sale 1MW units, his increasing anger, is assuring me that, FAPP, he has not one product which can be commercialized and is far from it. 2012/2/7 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net LOL. I did get a chuckle out of reading the plot-line, and the cast looks like a sleazy ‘Law and Order’ remake, but methinks your comment could be tacit payback for a certain tongue-in-cheek “radiation sickness” spoof of a few days ago, no? ** ** ** ** *From:* Daniel Rocha ** ** **Ø **Have you see The Stuff? **Ø **Antarctica's buried Lake Vostok has supposedly been breached by a Russian team, following an arduous and very expensive effort. Hold the presses. Here is a prediction on what they will find ... and if true, this little detail may uncover why the Russians spent so many petrodollars on what appears to be science only, ostensibly with no commercial impact. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
From what i have read so far they're not expecting much more than pure water, like really pure. They're supposed to be looking for some alien life form but seems to have found none so far. If they are really looking for heavy water, they've got quite a good cover but i don't really see how they could gain from it as Antarctica summer is really short so they only have a few months each year to work there (they've been digging for 30 years )
RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Yes, indeed. And this raises another issue, which may be what you are alluding to. What if the water in this lake does turn out to be heavily enriched in D2O and in addition, there is found to be an evolved lifeform which has “learned” (i.e. has evolved a biological mechanism) to metabolize the deuterium in a way that employs LENR for anomalous heat ? What a fortunate double discovery that would be. That biological mechanism, and being in sole possession of the genetic code for it - could be more valuable to Russia, in the long run, than the D2O. We have seen hints of this kind of biological LENR with Kervan, where potassium is said to be transmuted into calcium – but this new find would be for purposes of energy. Far more valuable, one would think. From: Günter Wildgruber You heard it first on Vo... --- Not to forget: The Russians are also strong in research on biological transmutations. http://www.iscmns.org/iccf16/course_on_transmutation.htm And: Those critters down there had a lot of time doing something useful. ;) Maybe the Russians just feel sympathetic for those super-Siberians. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Von: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:37 Dienstag, 7.Februar 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake Yes, indeed. And this raises another issue, which may be what you are alluding to. Jones, I admire your creativity. A couple of days ago I found this on a forum about Biological transmutation: A guy with nick 'JMJones0424' commented: ...I have raised chickens my entire life, excluding my time in the military, so I find any claim that chickens can somehow transform potassium into calcium as absurd. As I have stated before, I am not qualified, especially in the realm of physics, to properly debunk Kervran's claims. ... then ...Having fed various feed formulations over many years, I find it absurd that calcium deficient chickens can make their own calcium from any source. Anyone who has raised chickens will tell you the first sign a chicken is deficient in calcium is that it starts to peck its own eggs. If you are diligent, or your laying box is clever enough, you can prevent this, but the eggshells will soon be thin to transparent if the chicken's diet is not supplemented. ... Find this in http://scienceforums.com/topic/4369-biological-transmutation-is-true/ Russian science was (and still is) strange at times. See Ivanov: Stalin’s ape-man Superwarriors ...The report claimed that Stalin ordered Russia’s top animal-breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, to use his skills to produce a super warrior. ... http://creation.com/stalins-ape-man-superwarriors Or Lysenko ...Lysenkoism is used colloquially to describe the manipulation or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a predetermined conclusion as dictated by an ideological bias, often related to social or political objectives. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism Russian science still is not completely cured from that. It is a bit similar with Indian or Chinese science. Eg: ... EVIDENCE THAT ATOMS BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY IN BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS THAN OUTSIDE OF THEM Madhavendra Puri The Bhaktivedanta Institute ... Indian This may not be a totally bad thing (not Stalin’s influence, of course. Stalin sent the nonperformers into the Gulag, also a sort of -ahem- 'evolution'), but being aware of these differences between cultures' take on the scientific method, is definitely a good thing. Sorry. Long post.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation
the tittle was not admin forum, but associates cornet... and talk of companies for building and science... mean partners, mean real stuff and not only cash one more evidence that Defkalion is not an Internet Dog Company. and the quick removal mean, that they want to keep quiet and don't want to spread evidence they are real... Like Bruce Schneier say for detecting terrorists and alike, I believe in Profiling more than pretended hard evidence. 2012/2/7 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Invisible forums and subforums is something common. Sometimes, to see them, you are required to register on websites. In general, admins and mod uses hidden forums to discuss forum policies. I don't think this is a big deal. 2012/2/7 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com While waiting for useful, conclusive information, impatience can lead to data prospecting. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11 It seems that forums 11 thru 16 require special permissions. Only f=11 displays a forum name: *Associates Corner (Registered users of associated companies on Hyperion construction and science)* Do any Vortexians have such access? I'd ask AussieGuy, but he seems to have disappeared when the lights came on. I'm just a bit curious if there is a great deal of behind-the-scenes discussion. Under the forum statistics, DGT claims 5,031 total posts, of which all can be explained by the General Open Discussions group. Conversely, the forum statistics also claim 537 total topics, of which only 419 are currently in the General Open Discussions group. I'm unfamiliar with the phpBB statistical scheme, so this disparity may be readily explainable by the regular removal of spam topics and extraneous/duplicated postings. Thoughts? R.L. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
What a surprise. I was not aware that so many people were following this... most of whom, shall we say - already have a conspiracy theory slant. I waded through 20 pages of good and awful postings - without seeing any reference to heavy water, or to life evolved to use it. Have you seen this mentioned specifically? Many of the posters mention Smilla's Sense of Snow fabulous novel but weak movie. It is certainly possible that there is a meme out there (speaking of Rupert) and it would relate to the Lake, to special properties - and would be broader than merely D2O or a mysterious lifeform. Jones From: Joe Hughes Been following this for quite a few days over on this forum here - some really fascinating info and discussions. Initial thread and info: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread804606/pg1 Latest thread started after reaching it: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread806014/pg1 attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Yeah - some of those folks definitely go to sleep wearing their tin foil hats. ;) I was posting those links not directly in relation to the heavy water theory but in response to zer tte's: From what i have read so far they're not expecting much more than pure water, like really pure. They're supposed to be looking for some alien life form but seems to have found none so far. If they are really looking for heavy water, they've got quite a good cover but i don't really see how they could gain from it as Antarctica summer is really short so they only have a few months each year to work there (they've been digging for 30 years ) A post over their regarding the heavy water theory would probably yield some very interesting replies. On 02/07/2012 02:32 PM, Jones Beene wrote: What a surprise. I was not aware that so many people were following this... most of whom, shall we say - already have a conspiracy theory slant. I waded through 20 pages of good and awful postings - without seeing any reference to heavy water, or to life evolved to use it. Have you seen this mentioned specifically? Many of the posters mention Smilla's Sense of Snow fabulous novel but weak movie. It is certainly possible that there is a meme out there (speaking of Rupert) and it would relate to the Lake, to special properties - and would be broader than merely D2O or a mysterious lifeform. Jones From: Joe Hughes Been following this for quite a few days over on this forum here - some really fascinating info and discussions. Initial thread and info: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread804606/pg1 Latest thread started after reaching it: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread806014/pg1
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:More info on: Making Scientists Seem Human –Through Film
Von: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com An: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:54 Dienstag, 7.Februar 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:More info on: Making Scientists Seem Human –Through Film The Scientific American blog site has more info on the recently mentioned film The Believers ... about the human side of Cold Fusion research. Title: Making Scientists Seem Human–Through Film! -- Steven, one of the reasons I follow this whole topic, is, that it raises a lot of questions both on a technoscientific level, as well as a psychological/societal/global level. So we have the whole package here. Re the 'believers': most of them are more addicted to hope and spleens, but one should not throw out the baby with the bathwater, right? One thing which popped up in my (scientific)mind -and I am not very deep into nuclear chemistry and such, is, that we have certain dogmas, like the identity of atomic/subatomic particles, or the prohibition of hidden particles (after Bohm), Occam, causality, reversible time (at least in theoretical physics) then the second sentence of thermodynamics, which are some of the axioms of Physics. Then there is dark matter/energy, which is to my understanding a Bohmian hidden variable in disguise. Now, could it be, that the Atom, say Nickel, which comes in the variants Ni58 to Ni64, and is, concerning its isotopic variants, one of the most variable, is not so stable as it seems? All good with the half-life, but I ask, why does it change ? What exactly are the causes? Can it be, that atoms –at any time- actually have more variants than those isotopes? This touches one central tenet of nuclear physics, namely the 'identity' of particles - at least within their half-life. Which is, as one can infer by straightforward logic, not convincing. Because we cannot look into single Atoms, we step back and and only see an ensemble-mean, because that we can measure those. Maybe the atom-core is much more complicated, and more of a (instable) chemical element, where the subatomic particle zoo is in permanent change, and only in the statistical mean constitutes what we call an atom or an Isotope. Just letting my fantasy flow. Nothing substantial.
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
1. Ice-nine. 2. A sleeping Kraken
Re: [Vo]:Acoustic Fusion Article on the International Business Times
Since Energetics Technologies (featured on 2009 60 Minutes tv-show) uses ultrasound - Ultrasonically-excited electrolysis Experiments at Energetics Technologies http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf - is it possible that their wideband ultrasound is really inducing cavitation fusion on the electrode surfaces? Axil Axil wrote: I wonder if sonoluminescence could be used as a cheap way to produce the Rossi reaction. I believe that Rydberg hydrogen is produced by the extreme high pressures occurring during cavatation. The intense ultraviolet radiation coming at or very near the end of bubble collapse is a clue that highly excited hydrogen gas is being generated. Any excited dirty plasma hydrogen will produce Rydberg atoms. If a large bubble can enclose a micro sized nickel particle, a Rossi type reaction might be produced. Cavatation is extremely powerful. It can produce 5 nanometer diamonds from graphite feedstock in a few nanoseconds. The nickel powder might be easily destroyed inside the collapsing cavitation bubble. Some fluid other than water might be better used to get rid of the oxygen; maybe a hydrocarbon. But such an experiment is easily done; just add some nickel powder of various sizes, start cavitation, and look for excess heat. Regards: Axil On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Patrick Ellul * Came across this article and I thought it might be of some interest to this forum. http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/294046/20120207/acoustic-fusion-potentially-g green-inexpensive-virtually-inexhaustible.htm This is fairly well-known group to many of us. Ross Tessien was formerly the head of Impulse Devices, and a poster on this forum many years ago. I do not know why he left the company - as seems to be the case. Here is his patent. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7510321.html They have had a prototype device on the market for some time IIRC but seemed to be moving to sonochemistry instead of fusion. http://www.impulsedevices.com/
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Von: Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:55 Dienstag, 7.Februar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake Yeah - some of those folks definitely go to sleep wearing their tin foil hats. ;) No tinfoil hats here. Here is the standard -take: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/0,1518,813862,00.html (google etc translate) I stick to my take on that. This whole thing has a specific Russian bend. Russian Billionaires, including Putin, and the Poststalinists are not the brightest bulbs on the planet. This I am quite sure. Same with the american variant. Smelling money, fitting their belief, not the 'truth'. Oil and minerals are what they smell in the first place, then they get esoteric on short notice. Please calm down on this one.
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Von: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:10 Dienstag, 7.Februar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake 1. Ice-nine. 2. A sleeping Kraken - Ah, had Vonnegut a scientific bend? Did not know that. ...Langmuir is said to have come up with an idea about a form of solid water that was stable at room temperature in the hopes that Wells might be inspired to write a story about it. Apparently, Wells was not inspired and neither he nor Langmuir ever published anything about it. After Langmuir and Wells had died, Vonnegut decided to use the idea in his book Cat's Cradle. ... Haha.
[Vo]:http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/maillist.html
I don't see anything since Feb 5 ... has it been suspended so only Big V members can see stuff? http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/maillist.html (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Thoughts? There are 3,154 posts in QA and Older Discussions: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/index.php This was when the forum was open then closed due to too much riffraff and viral s(c)eptic infections. While those messages may be read, no new posts are allowed there. (Kinda like Besźel is to Ul Qoma.) T
[Vo]:Idea of Catalyst
Reading this slideshow http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llctechnical-overviewpahs-and-lenrsnov-25-2009 came the idea that one of the catalyst of Defkalion or of Rossi might be polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (see page 42 and others) adsobed on nickel, to increase field, born-openheimer approx. breaking,... Defkalion says the reaction is Chemically assisted NR any comment, on that idea?
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation
Defkalion Forum Statistics: * Total posts 5023 * Total topics 526 Discussion Topics: 132 Posts: 1478 General Discussion of Hyperion Specs Topics: 71Posts: 391 QA and Older Discussions Topics: 205 Posts: 3154 1478+391+3154 = 5023 All posts are present and accounted for 132+71+205 = 408 118 topics appear to be unaccounted for After seeing that Associates Corner (http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11) was an off-limits area, I was merely speculating that it could hold the 118 remaining topics. It's entirely possible that the calculation of Total topics includes topics that have been removed (e.g., SPAM) or moved. This would allow for a scenario in which no posts have been made to forums 11-16. Alternatively, it is possible that the calculation for total posts does not include forums 11-16, whereas the topic count may. Ample caveat is given in the thread title that this is completely unfounded speculation. Hence the question Do any Vortexians qualify for access to Associates Corner? Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:47:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Thoughts? There are 3,154 posts in QA and Older Discussions: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/index.php This was when the forum was open then closed due to too much riffraff and viral s(c)eptic infections. While those messages may be read, no new posts are allowed there. (Kinda like Besźel is to Ul Qoma.) T
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Celani et al. already found species adapted to heavy water: Ralstonia detusculanense. http://www.uniprot.org/taxonomy/148618 And one other. See the papers at LENR-CANR.org. This stuff in the heavy water from Ontario Hydro (which I think has a new name). It adapted sometime in the last 50 years. Evolution works faster than you might think. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum - Unfounded Speculation
2012/2/7 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com: It's entirely possible that the calculation of Total topics includes topics that have been removed (e.g., SPAM) or moved. From the number of spam posts which create a topic that I have seen, I would say that you are right-on with that conclusion. T
Re: [Vo]:http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/maillist.html
No, it's more likely that the Archive has been unsubscribed. I have copied the list owner so that he might check. T On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I don't see anything since Feb 5 ... has it been suspended so only Big V members can see stuff? http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/maillist.html (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
RE: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Good point. But this was 50 years to adapt chemically - in order to merely survive. It would surely take much longer to adapt in such a way as to actually derive excess energy from D2O, and almost all experts in biology would say it is impossible. Kervan is controversial and there is evidence both ways. He has been replicated by several, and vociferously belittled by others, but his results cannot be written off automatically. Surely, if biology can adapt to transmute one atom into another, then deriving energy from deuterium would be equally feasible . actually easier, given the ease with which the Oppenheimer-Philips reaction (neutron stripping) happens. I wonder if the Russians will share their findings . From: Jed Rothwell Celani et al. already found species adapted to heavy water: Ralstonia detusculanense. http://www.uniprot.org/taxonomy/148618 And one other. See the papers at LENR-CANR.org. This stuff in the heavy water from Ontario Hydro (which I think has a new name). It adapted sometime in the last 50 years. Evolution works faster than you might think. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: 1. Ice-nine. 2. A sleeping Kraken 3, Nazi's http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/ T
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:20 Mittwoch, 8.Februar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake -- 3, Nazi's http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/ -- As a Nazi descendant I feel truly challenged. My priors were truly Geniuses! Now we are building BMWs and such crap. :)
Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Good point. But this was 50 years to adapt chemically - in order to merely survive. ** ** It would surely take much longer to adapt in such a way as to actually derive excess energy from D2O. . . Sure. Millions of years, I suppose, assuming it can be done at all. Rossi's results and the other Ni-H results make me think cold fusion must be possible with many metals, but that does not mean it is necessarily possible in biology, or that it can happen spontaneously in nature as in the Oklo fission reactor. There are many phenomena that cannot occur in biology. There are biological batteries in electric eels, and light receivers such as the eye, but I doubt there are any biological radio detectors, or radars. But who knows? Biology is capable of amazing things that are still beyond our understanding. For example, coral reefs across the Pacific manage to coordinate the release of eggs and sperm to a single night. Mushrooms detect gravity. I have some edible mushrooms growing out of the side of a box that I got for Christmas. You have spray them every day. They grow out the side and then up. If you turn the box upside-down, they reverse direction, and grow up again. Even if our species lasts for millions of years into the future, I doubt that we will ever fully understand the workings of any species, even E. coli. - Jed
[Vo]:eCat now $600-800
FYI On this question: ** Dear Mr. Rossi, So if I understand the recent developments all correctly, the E-Cat has now the following credentials: 1. can be integrated into a existing home heating system 2. has an optional cooling/air-conditioning system 3. could also be expanded with a electricity generating system when this comes available 4. has now the possibility to generate hot water on demand directly or can heat a (+200 liter) boiler 5. the E-Cat is not very big and can be placed anywhere in your house, as long as there is running water, electricity and the possibility to ventilate 6. needs reactor replacement every 6 months or 180 days 7. can be used for desalination 8. is safe, does not omit CO2 and/or radiation and has no other waste 9. costs only around U.S. $500.--- for a 10kw E-Cat and around $10.--- for a refill of the charge which van be recycled 10. Wow! Well I hope this sums it up pretty much, I already pre ordered one through ecat.com hope this is still valid or otherwise I pre-order one now as well (perhaps 2), anyway I am going for the full option E-Cat (Heating, Hot water, Cooling and Electricity when it is ready)! Good luck with your industrialization, I perfectly understand how difficult it is. Kind regards, Harold ** Rossi gave the following answer: ** Dear Harold: Pre-order accepted. The price will be between 600 and 800 US$. The E-Cat will be able to be applied to any existing heater. Warm Regards, A.R. ** Andre
[Vo]:Defkalion answers a lot of technical questions
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5983#p5983 Dave wrote: @Defkalion I am interested in the trigger mechanism for the Hyperion reaction. My definition of trigger is a relatively low energy drive process that causes a large response. This is similar to the trigger for a rifle. Correct, this is what triggering generaly means. But in Hyperion's triggering is defined as a two phase process (please note Spec Sheet p.5) that is able to ignite the reactions and control them within pre-defined temperature ranges. Dave wrote: 1). Does the heat generating Ni-H reaction only occur during the exact time period that the trigger is applied? Does it die down immediately (within seconds) once the trigger is removed? Ni-H LENR reactions occure following atomic Hydrogen generation (page 5 in spec sheet) and after a specific period the triggering procedures are applied (we will not answer at this stage to your question how long is this period). Once the trigger activates the reaction, the control can stop it and trigger it again at will (in Hyperion products performed by software controled will, following specific aglorithms). There is a predictable very limitted heat after death phenomenon following every long- period stop of a reactor/reaction. This is a well known and well documented phenomenon related with the H2- H1- H2 circle (chemical, non LENR energy), which is monitored by sensors and the Hyperion safety/control electronics/software. The contribution of such endothermic-exothermic circle to the COP of the total process is almost zero. Dave wrote: 2). Somewhere I saw that the trigger was a 24 volt, 6 amp = 144 watt drive signal. Is this what you would refer to as the trigger? Yes, this drive signal powers certain mechanisms of the Hyperion ignition system. Dave wrote: 3). Does the magnetic field associated with the 6 amp current affect the generated heat output in a major way? We will not answer to this questions at this stage. Dave wrote: 4). Is the same 24 Volt, 6 Amp current used with the multi core product as well as in the single core design? We will not answer to this questions at this stage. Dave wrote: 5). It has been suggested that your output energy occurs in bursts that are controlled by the above trigger and is not a continuous function of the kernel temperatures. Is this a true statement? If not, explain the process if you would be so kind. This is a true statement. LENR energy within Hyperion reactors is produced in bursts that are controlled by the above triggering procedures (and the safety electronics controling the triggering procedures/mechanisms, monitoring also the reactor's inner conditions). The frequency of such bursts is also contollable (within certain limits), defining the actual COP of the Hyperion reactors and the Hyperion systems. Every such burst (or spike as it is also called) is the result of what we have called a multistage set of reactions. We will not explain at this stage the whole triggering process or the dynamic system of the multi-stage set of reactions triggered, as our patents are under preparation, a lot of people are trying unsafly to replicate LENR reactions based mostly on simple speculations or their understanding in forum posts (like the present) rather than following any safety policies or methodologies in scientific research and development, etc... Dave wrote: 6). Finally, is your design subject to thermal run away if the kernel gets too hot? Till now we have reached in lab conditions thermal run aways only when we deliberetly killed critical control mechanisms of Hyperion, having deactivated all of its backup safety mechanisms. The result of such thermal run aways was the melting of Ni within the reactor causing a reaction stop with no catastrophic effects to the environment (off course causing major malfunctions within the Hyperion kernel). In real situations and before reaching any such thermal run away condition, signals/alarms of mallfunctioned critical control mechanisms of Hyperion systems trigger automaticaly a number of backup safety mechanisms. One is the venting the Hydrogen to the Argon atmoshere (please note our answer also related with safety of the Hydrogen Circuit in viewtopic.php?f=19t=773) causing a stop of the reactions. If Hyperion's control/safety electronics and/or the backup safety mechanisms are also killed, then the self distructing mechanism of Hyperion automaticlly will destroy the inner of all reactors stoping any active reaction at once, with no catastrophic effects to the Hyperion's environment. So, there is no practical way or expected in situ situation to reach such a thermal run away in a Hyperion system. Thank you (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
A scientific layman's quick assessment: a gifted theoretical physicist and colleague have been working steadily for years with experimenters -- they carefully studied and rejected many theoretical dead ends for various anomalous phenomena -- finally they started to apply standard theoretical routes, while starting fresh with a comprehensive overview that held the nuclear level and the electronic level together on an equal basis -- finding new subtleties that indicate transactions between nuclear and electronic levels that so far seem may turn out to fit the puzzling experimental data -- publishing results quickly in many papers, thus inviting public critical examination by their peers -- thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: The key phrase in the abstract is: In the resulting model, there appears a new term in which nuclear transitions are coupled to lattice vibrations. I wonder if Hagelstein has been reading Znidarsic's work? :-) -m -Original Message- From: David ledin [mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: A scientific layman's quick assessment: a gifted theoretical physicist and colleague have been working steadily for years with experimenters -- they carefully studied and rejected many theoretical dead ends for various anomalous phenomena -- finally they started to apply standard theoretical routes, while starting fresh with a comprehensive overview that held the nuclear level and the electronic level together on an equal basis -- finding new subtleties that indicate transactions between nuclear and electronic levels that so far seem may turn out to fit the puzzling experimental data -- publishing results quickly in many papers, thus inviting public critical examination by their peers -- thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough... And your point is . . .? T
[Vo]:DGT Triggering Response
Defkalion has answered some interesting questions concerning their hyperion device which the collective might want to review. Check out the following link. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24t=1038 Dave
Re: [Vo]:DGT Triggering Response
This DGT control sequence scenario is consistent with my recently posted control mechanism for coherent proton supercurrent manipulation. In this scenario, the internal heater forms Rydberg atoms which are converted to protons (H+) by the micro powder which then join a growing coherent proton condensate. Next, Nuclear quantum mechanical processes cause protons to tunnel into the nickel nucleus to form copper. The increased heat causes more decoherence of the proton/nickel tunneling. When a set temperature is reached, a magnetic field is applied to destroy the proton condensate as well as the stockpile of Rydberg atoms. The Rossi reaction is similar to what goes on in a high temperature superconductor where Superconduction is destroyed by a strong magnetic field. The reaction stops after the magnetic field is applied and the temperature falls until a low temperature set point is reached. At that low temperature set point, the cycle begins again. The entangled proton population will then rejoin the cohertent condisate and will then begin to grow after reestablishment. If Hyperion's control/safety electronics and/or the backup safety mechanisms are also killed, then the self distructing mechanism of Hyperion automatically will destroy the inner of all reactors stoping any active reaction at once, with no catastrophic effects to the Hyperion's environment. So, there is no practical way or expected in situ situation to reach such a thermal run away in a Hyperion system. In other words, if the magnetic field is not applied to destroy proton supercurrent coherence, a thermal melt down will occur. The nano-coating of the powder will then melt and the production of protons will stop permanently. The DGT cycle will grow less reactive over time due to the buildup of Rydberg matter which poisons the Rydberg atom formation process causing quiescence. I predict that the hydrogen envelope will need to be periodically purged because in will be contaminated with a large accumulation of large molecule Rydberg matter which will interfere with proper control of the DGT burst cycle. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Defkalion has answered some interesting questions concerning their hyperion device which the collective might want to review. Check out the following link. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24t=1038 Dave
Re: [Vo]:DGT Triggering Response
So sorry…please excuse me, In my last post, the highlighting showing the DGT quote should be as follows: If Hyperion's control/safety electronics and/or the backup safety mechanisms are also killed, then the self distructing mechanism of Hyperion automatically will destroy the inner of all reactors stoping any active reaction at once, with no catastrophic effects to the Hyperion's environment. So, there is no practical way or expected in situ situation to reach such a thermal run away in a Hyperion system. A few more points… A life after death is caused by the gradual consumption of the proton condensate during shutdown. The minimal proton condensate must be in place at shutdown because its total desolation will cause gamma radiation as the reactor cools. Some level of quantum mechanical coherence must be maintained to eliminate the production of gamma radiation and the generation of radioactive waste products throughout the cool down procedure. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This DGT control sequence scenario is consistent with my recently posted control mechanism for coherent proton supercurrent manipulation. In this scenario, the internal heater forms Rydberg atoms which are converted to protons (H+) by the micro powder which then join a growing coherent proton condensate. Next, Nuclear quantum mechanical processes cause protons to tunnel into the nickel nucleus to form copper. The increased heat causes more decoherence of the proton/nickel tunneling. When a set temperature is reached, a magnetic field is applied to destroy the proton condensate as well as the stockpile of Rydberg atoms. The Rossi reaction is similar to what goes on in a high temperature superconductor where Superconduction is destroyed by a strong magnetic field. The reaction stops after the magnetic field is applied and the temperature falls until a low temperature set point is reached. At that low temperature set point, the cycle begins again. The entangled proton population will then rejoin the cohertent condisate and will then begin to grow after reestablishment. If Hyperion's control/safety electronics and/or the backup safety mechanisms are also killed, then the self distructing mechanism of Hyperion automatically will destroy the inner of all reactors stoping any active reaction at once, with no catastrophic effects to the Hyperion's environment. So, there is no practical way or expected in situ situation to reach such a thermal run away in a Hyperion system. In other words, if the magnetic field is not applied to destroy proton supercurrent coherence, a thermal melt down will occur. The nano-coating of the powder will then melt and the production of protons will stop permanently. The DGT cycle will grow less reactive over time due to the buildup of Rydberg matter which poisons the Rydberg atom formation process causing quiescence. I predict that the hydrogen envelope will need to be periodically purged because in will be contaminated with a large accumulation of large molecule Rydberg matter which will interfere with proper control of the DGT burst cycle. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Defkalion has answered some interesting questions concerning their hyperion device which the collective might want to review. Check out the following link. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24t=1038 Dave
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
more and more, faster and faster, capable professionals will explore this breakthrough, while we amateurs will be left yipping in the yard... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote: A scientific layman's quick assessment: ... thus, all the hallmarks of mature scientific breakthrough... And your point is . . .? T
Re: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
Regarding (emphasis added): These experimental results, and many others, have motivated us to explore new models that might be relevant. A major issue that we have been interested in is the *possibility of coherent energy exchange between quantum systems with mismatched **characteristic energies*, which we considered to be the biggest theoretical problem associated with the anomalies. Coherent energy exchange between mismatched quantum systems occurs in high harmonic generation [22], so we know that it is possible in principle. However, there seems to be no analog to Corkum’s mechanism [23],[24] present in the condensed matter system. A lesser version of the effect is known within the multiphoton regime of the spin-boson model, which is used to model basic linear interactions of two-level systems with an oscillator [25],[26],[27]. We found that if the two-level system is augmented with loss, the coherent energy exchange rate is increased dramatically. This is due to the fact that destructive interference limits the rate at which coherent energy exchange occurs in the spin-boson model, so augmenting the model with a mechanism that removes this destructive interference would be expected to improve coherent energy exchange rates [28],[29],[30],[31]. Coherence transfer between systems is indeed absolutely required. The answer to this one is clear. Rossi has told us what does this job for him. “no analog to Corkum’s mechanism”...micro cavities that do this job. Micro-cavities allows protons (one quantum system) to be made coherent in the lattice via coherent lattice photons (another quantum system). Put some protons in a micro-cavity and shake until coherent. Rossi’s powder does this job. In the heavy water experiments, micro-cavities have done the same job in that system but not as intensely as it is done by the Rossi’s powder or Piantelli’s rough surface coating. The are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show how quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all kinds. I just saw one where a photon can spin a tinny quantum wheel...light to mechanical energy. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM, David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.comwrote: MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter to explain many observations of anomalies in condensed matter systems. they named Fleischmann , Pons and Piantelli but not rossi . http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4377.pdf
[Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2012/02/08/phillips-announces-worlds-best-catalyst-producing-hydrogen-fuel-water Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org
RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
Axil wrote: There are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show how quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all kinds. I just saw one where a photon can spin a tiny quantum wheel...light to mechanical energy. Here's the reference: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/nature10787.html Yes, there have been several developments in the last few months about coupling between different energy types. I think the pieces of the puzzle will be coming together this year. -Mark
RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter
Although not quite the same, here's another one which is quite interesting: Harnessing plasmonics, engineers weld nanowires with light http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-harnessing-plasmonics-weld-nanowires.htm l In before-and-after electron-microscope images, individual nanowires are visually distinct prior to illumination. They lay atop one another, like two fallen trees in the forest. When illuminated, the top nanowire acts like an antenna of sorts, directing the plasmon waves of light into the bottom wire and creating heat that welds the wires together. Post-illumination images show X-like nanowires lying flat against the substrate with fused joints. -Mark From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:40 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:MIT suggest new physical model for condensed matter Axil wrote: There are many new quantum mechanical experiments done recently that show how quantum wells transfer coherence between quantum particle types of all kinds. I just saw one where a photon can spin a tiny quantum wheel...light to mechanical energy. Here's the reference: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/nature10787.html Yes, there have been several developments in the last few months about coupling between different energy types. I think the pieces of the puzzle will be coming together this year. -Mark
