Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-28 Thread Axil Axil
Russ Gries has released a new research video titled #14, to pin down what the green glow is. This glow develops after the spark discharge occurs. Russ wants to find out how the glow forms and how it relates to pre-ionization of the second follow on spark.

RE: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Nice job ! But let me explain that your protection diodes aren't effective for current overrun on sensing resistances. As you said, the voltage drop on forward current of the diode is around 1V maybe a bit less . let's say 500mV. At 500mV, the resistance will dissipate (U^2/R) (0.5)^2/0.05 = 5

[Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jones Beene
The Atlantic sets the stage for the 'scary season' (the election, not Halloween) with a piece on machine intelligence, echoing Bill Joy's classic article http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/the-consequences-of-ma chine-intelligence/264066/ No Joy here: Why the Future Doesn't

Re: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Thanks Arnaud. The goal of the diodes is to protect the board - it cost more than the resistors did. But yeah, I know. Your point is especially true because those 1N5400s are odd - they list a forward voltage around 1.2v, rather than 0.6v as you would expect for a typical silicon diode. I guess

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
I agree with much of this article, except that I regard intelligent machines as either a threat or an opportunity, depending on how we adapt our society to them. I quibble with one aspect of this discussion: the notion that computers will exceed human intelligence at some specific time in

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Yes. Leaving aside nightmare scenarios like nanobot infestations and genetically modified diseases and the rest, sticking strictly to the economic consequences of computer and mechanical technologies: there's some evidence we're seeing these effects right now, in the unemployment numbers. I came

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Terry Blanton
To pass the Turing test the 'bot will have to perceive the world as a human: http://www.eurasiareview.com/19102012-robots-that-perceive-the-world-as-humans/ Which is difficult to do with a 'bot mind: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yog6dUQE1qk2oafo1_500.gif

RE: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jones Beene
Terry - Fabulous dynamic image ! Fractal gears in motion, and with a ying-yang nuance ... Which is difficult to do with a 'bot mind: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yog6dUQE1qk2oafo1_500.gif

RE: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
You should use a higher resistance value. I use 0.39 Ohm to measure 0 - 4A range. Which lead to 1.6 V at resistance when a current of 4A is passing through it. Then it becomes easier to protect over current. The resistance must be able to handle a power of 7W. There is no need here for a precision

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: To pass the Turing test the 'bot will have to perceive the world as a human: I doubt a computer will be able to pass a no rules Turing test anytime in the next ~100 years. That is, when the test allows the person to type in any question or comment about

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread LORENHEYER
So, for all of you out there who have feelings or emotional attachment for Appliances Power Tools, Suv, Car, Truck, Motor Cycle, Bike, Garden Tractor, ATV, Computer, various Electronic Devices, and/or for that matter, inanimate objects that have added comfort, satisfaction, confidence, or

RE: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Whether these computers will be sentient or not is an entirely different question. Whether they should be deliberately designed to be sentient is both a practical question, and a moral one. I think the problem is not whether computers should be

RE: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Loren... ... . Thanks suckers! PS.. If you believe there is an actual Democratic Party or that BO cares about this Country And on, and on it goes... Ok, Loren, I get it that you're a little uneasy around Barack. .Why? Well, maybe because for one thing, this illegal

Re: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Thanks, Arnaud. Here our goal was to include a computer interface for logging, and the Phidget was convenient for that; unfortunately, it only measures up to 75 millivolts, which creates problems of its own as you point out. Phidgets also have a purpose-built voltmeter, but its resolution is only

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Eric Walker
On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This step of self-programming will allow them to evolve on their own, and the time frame could be shorter than expected - without morals, without empathy ... which is essentially what Bill Joy was implying Very interesting

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Alain Sepeda
Your vision is quite common but I think it is incomplete and typical of countries experiencing slow growth, slow productivity increase... Read the next convergence what you describe is the slow growth scenario. In that case, the wealth concentrate slowly in few hands, that are determined since

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Harry Veeder
A capitalistic forms of economic exploitation and domination can be reproduced endlessly thanks to 'innovation'. Harry On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Your vision is quite common but I think it is incomplete and typical of countries experiencing slow

Re: [Vo]:New publication on my Blog

2012-10-28 Thread Terry Blanton
Happy Birthday, Peter! And thanks for giving US a birthday present from YOU by sharing your enlightenments. On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, Rainy autumn day, I have composed 5 miniatures, 2 about LENR/HHENI.

Re: [Vo]:New publication on my Blog

2012-10-28 Thread Peter Gluck
You are really nice, dear Terry. Thank you! I wish my LENR ideas taken seriously, but perhaps it is too much.Or I err, err and err and err but NOT less, less and less but more? Peter On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Happy Birthday, Peter! And thanks for

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread LORENHEYER
Yeah well, needless to say I obviously have some difficulty explaining the difference between animals and human beings, and it's undoubtedly due to a large percentage of my monkey DNA. Now, as for Halloween, and why humans tend to wear a variety of frightening looking attire, and the more

Re: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I built this USB-connected ammeter so we could log current flow accurately and rapidly while doing electrolysis and also electroplating. http://pdxlenr.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-pretty-good-data-logging-ammeter.html

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Alain Sepeda
the opposite. without innovation, exploitation , whatever is the system, can be maintained on a stable minority of dynasties owning an economic rent. Non capitalist/liberal system do that naturally,whatever is the growth/innovation, since they block innovation, or restrict it's benefit to the

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I think the problem is not whether computers should be designed to be sentient, so much as can they be restrained from it. May-bee. I have read various articles and books about this. Some experts believe that sentience is an emergent quality, others say

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Daniel Rocha
It could be that a super-intelligent computer would prefer to exist alone, or as the most advanced entity, in order to preserve and impose its superiority. I take the impression that the Skynet, from the terminator movie, is the only truly powerful being of the machines whereas the other robots

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It could be that a super-intelligent computer would prefer to exist alone, or as the most advanced entity, in order to preserve and impose its superiority. I take the impression that the Skynet, from the terminator

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread David Roberson
I would like to add a tiny bit of science fiction to this thread. Perhaps we do not need to be concerned about computers becoming too intelligent because future generations of our species periodically time travel back to our present to ensure that it does not happen. They had bad experiences

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: If for some reason robots start fighting robots, I think this advice would be helpful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G3RoBHMu-o I love this! The version I just saw begin with a Romney advertisement, which I thought was appropriate. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Atlantic sets the stage for the 'scary season' (the election, not Halloween) with a piece on machine intelligence, echoing Bill Joy's classic article

Re: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Alan Fletcher
I can't resist noting that googling armature of an amateur ammeter gives 750,000 hits

RE: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
For data acquisition I use 2 different configurations which give pretty good results: - Picoscope with my own Java librairies: http://www.picotech.com/ http://www.picotech.com/ For 200€ you have a double channels 100ns 8 bits resolution ADC with USB connection - Or for 50€

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
I believe the sentience is an emergent property of biological intelligence. I assume it is related to the instinct for self-preservation. It is easy to preserve yourself if you see a clear distinction between you and the rest of the environment, or you and the other members of your species. An

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC How to survive a robot uprising

2012-10-28 Thread Terry Blanton
I thought I had seen this before.

Re: [Vo]:New publication on my Blog

2012-10-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I was first exposed to this haunting beautiful song when it was used in a rather interesting seduction scene depicted in the film, “The Hunger” starring Catherine Deneuve, Susan Sarandon and

RE: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: . I do not see why a totally non-sentient supercomputer would be impossible. Even if sentience is emergent, I expect it would not be hard to prevent it by not including some set of capabilities. The Internet as a whole has more connections than a human brain, and far

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC How to survive a robot uprising

2012-10-28 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I had seen this before. This must be where I first saw the video. ;) Eric

RE: [Vo]:New publication on my Blog

2012-10-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Ah! I found the R-Rated version! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkGXM-ZQtHo Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I have wondered the same thing. I guess the Phidgets folks are somewhat in this space - if you look at the prices of the modules here, for example: http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=8 and scroll down to the green blocks, that's going to add up if you try to configure a system with a

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

2012-10-28 Thread Harry Veeder
It does not matter how much a economic system produces, those who have enormous wealth will finds ways to exploit those who have little wealth, unless the over arching political system recognizes and practically honours individual *dignity*. Exploitation can happen even in the admist of

Re: [Vo]:Home made data logging ammeter

2012-10-28 Thread Terry Blanton
For all your electronic needs, consider: http://beta.globalspec.com/electronics/