Hi Bob,
As I reread the relevant section of the license agreement, I am startled by
how broad the language is. It covers the existing IP as well as any
derivative works and future inventions. It is one of those paragraphs in a
contract where, if I were the signing party, I would wonder how a
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Lennart and Eric--
I see where Eric is coming from regarding the Hot Cat being part of the E-Cat
IP for which Rossi licenses use by the Company (IH).
However, the only place it is apparently covered by a document (appendix to the
agreement) is as a patent application. The validation test in It
Now that you mention it, and realizing how enticing/dangerous it would be to a
certain segment of the population, the hope is that no one gets hurt trying it.
We have seen crazy stunts with thermite and other energetic materials on
YouTube. In a worst case, we are talking about something which
From: Daniel Rocha
I think it covered the hot cats. The cold cat is way too weird. Generally cold
fusion happens with high temperatures, at least microscopically. For example,
the working function of a metal is 4eV. So, when you do electrolysis, you have
at at least at tiny places the equiva
Lennart,
I said that with more confidence than is warranted. I am not a lawyer, so
I do not know how to interpret a license agreement, how the court will
interpret this particular agreement, or what IH and Rossi should have put
in it with the benefit of hindsight. But I suggest to anyone who is
Eric , I agree with your evaluation of the contract. However, there is one
of the issues I do not understand about IH's handling. Why did they not
specify the details of how the transfer should be done. I would in their
shoes. Maybe I just have been around for too long:)
IMHO that is a major flaw i
Jones,
Very interesting account. I have occasionally had the fantasy of modifying
a pressure cooker, adding 10 pounds of nickel powder, and adding hydrogen
(after degassing).
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:09 PM Jones Beene wrote:
> Most observers of the LENR/nickel hydride scene are unaware of the
I think it covered the hot cats. The cold cat is way too weird. Generally
cold fusion happens with high temperatures, at least microscopically. For
example, the working function of a metal is 4eV. So, when you do
electrolysis, you have at at least at tiny places the equivalent of 40,000
K. Though,
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
The Hot Cat is a different invention and its operation was not covered in
> the IP transferred by the IP of the agreement IMHO.
>
I read the license agreement quite differently. It had language pertaining
to all future improvements. The languag
Wow so this triggered at room temperature? I wish we new more about this test
and its products, especially with the hindsight of all that's been learnt in
the 20 years since.
It's an interesting topic much needed now. I miss reading these scientific
discussions on vortex-l.
Has any one tried t
The only way to steal IP from a patent (other than producing and selling in
secret) is to make changes, possibly ones that give you a superior
technology that is not protected by their patent that you then patent.
'
Patents are about giving IP freely, but protecting the rights.
Thinking about it,
Jones Beene wrote:
> You are not alone – few know of this incident. But it’s not a sensible
> choice to base anything regarding the validity of LENR on Rossi’s
> problems with IH.
>
Yes, there is hardly any connection.
To put it (the runaway) into context, there had already been a fatality at
>
Details of the Thermacore runaway in 1996Jones etal--
Also most observers of the LENR scene are unaware of the details of a British
1956 patent describing what may be a LENR. Hank Mills has written a good
summary of the invention on E Cat World I believe.
It got by me as a reactor designer i
Dave,
You are not alone – few know of this incident. But it’s not a sensible choice
to base anything regarding the validity of LENR on Rossi’s problems with IH.
The technology will survive, but Rossi’s lack of credibility could taint the
field and impede progress for years.
The Thermacore runa
David Roberson wrote:
I have not heard of that particular thermal run away reaction that you have
> listed below but would find it interesting to follow up on.
>
I heard about it from Gene Mallove, but no details were forthcoming. It is
tragic that they did not follow up on it. They lost their n
Jones,
Is it possible to find another source to back up what you are describing in
this event? A second written record would be fine if available.
I have not heard of that particular thermal run away reaction that you have
listed below but would find it interesting to follow up on. The re
Most observers of the LENR/nickel hydride scene are unaware of the details
of the Thermacore, Inc. runaway reaction back in 1996.
Unfortunately, this was the last effort that this company made in the field,
and the main reason that they dropped LENR. The incident echoes other
thermal runaways, in
Lennart Thornros wrote:
> I meant there is no technology in the dispute just now.
>
The dispute is about Rossi's reactor, which is technology. Perhaps I fail
to understand what you mean.
IMHO you have no right to call Rossi a scammer.
>
I do. Rossi showed that he is a scammer. The I.H. exper
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I never said it is the ultimate answer, or the only thing needed. I said
> that government has made many essential contributions, such as railroads,
> steam ships, highways, the computer, nuclear power, weather forecasting,
> satellites, the
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> That's absurd. Why would they not pay if the technology works?
>
At, say, 10% how much would you think the royalties in China would be
worth? Hypothetically?
Bob Cook wrote:
It would seem the only PHOSITA that was required by the agreement was for
> the low temperature E-Cat. Rossi has indicated he taught the IH engineers
> what was necessary to operate the E-Cat, probably up to a COP of 6. That
> is all the patent identified.
>
I did not realize
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-19-2016-lenr-needs-productive.html
do not ignore the Info, please, I collected it with some effort
The LENR muses are silent these days
peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Peter, Jed and others--
It would seem the only PHOSITA that was required by the agreement was for the
low temperature E-Cat. Rossi has indicated he taught the IH engineers what was
necessary to operate the E-Cat, probably up to a COP of 6. That is all the
patent identified.
The Hot Cat is
Lennart Thornros wrote:
> You believe that government is the ultimate answer to progress - that is
> far from business as the moon from the sun . . .
>
I never said it is the ultimate answer, or the only thing needed. I said
that government has made many essential contributions, such as railro
Yes, Eric.
I think he is a man on a mission.
I do not say your two conclusions are wrong. I think there are many more
conclusions and to select is hard or impossible. Yes, if we limit the field
to engineering than they are fewer. Both yours are possibly thoughts
created by an entrepreneur and all p
Jed,
You believe that government is the ultimate answer to progress - that is
far from business as the moon from the sun (Yes, they appear similar in
size and color). I just do not think that is of any value to know that one
of us are more business experienced than the other. All I am saying the
i
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Lennart Thornros
wrote:
As it comes to if Rossi's claims are real or not. I do not know but much of
> his behavior tells me he is a real guy and as most inventors /
> entrepreneurs hard to deal with. They are by nature hardnosed and outside
> ghe box.
Consider t
Lennart Thornros wrote:
>
> Your statements indicate that you have little understanding about business.
>
You are mistaken. I have good understanding of business, and experience in
it.
> As it comes to if Rossi's claims are real or not. I do not know but much
> of his behavior tells me he is a r
Jed, I am not going over all your statements.
Your statements indicate that you have little understanding about business.
It is seldom black and white. Yes, there is a standard of conduct between
competitors in any industry, so in the community of investment companies.
Your hang up on technical det
from here on, the discussion goes on a slope i dislike...probbaly it is
about the Price.. too highand despite everything they say now, they are
contented with what they already have plus an army of LENR specialistsable
to do great deeds...outRossi Rossi...
They already have a Rossi technology Pate
Peter Gluck wrote:
too much psychology...IH admits paying 11 million was a mistake
> specifically for NOT paying the due 89 millions. A simple gambit.
>
That's absurd. Why would they not pay if the technology works? They will be
plagued with lawsuits. If they try to commercialize it, everyone wi
too much psychology...IH admits paying 11 million was a mistake
specifically for NOT paying the due 89 millions. A simple gambit.
peter
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Lennart Thornros wrote:
>
>> Yes, Alberto.
>> That is why Jed's claims are so hard to buy.
>>
> These ar
Lennart Thornros wrote:
> Yes, Alberto.
> That is why Jed's claims are so hard to buy.
>
These are not my claims. I am quoting press releases issued by I.H. You
should say "I.H.'s claims are hard to buy."
They are saying they made an $11 million mistake. Perhaps you find that
hard to buy, but as
Yes, Alberto.
That is why Jed's claims are so hard to buy. IH should have business acumen
as most investment companion I have met with.
On May 18, 2016 17:30, "Alberto De Souza"
wrote:
Based on what Jed said so far, I.H. is very good at calorimetry but very
bad at doing business. I would expect t
Dear Jed,,
PHOSIA is a slogan-acronym with one poisoned letter "O"
ordinary skill has to be defined for each case.
The difference between patent and know how is greater for processes than
for products.
I give you an example:
- a patent gives a recipe with ingredients in some limits, sometimes larg
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