Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 11 Nov 2017 05:11:05
+:
Hi,

The Hydrino molecule is prolate ellipsoidal (football shaped) according to
Mills. The small radius is I think the same as the Hydrino radius, and as
already mentioned the separation distance between foci is sqrt(2) times that
radius.

For n=1/4 that gives a small radius of 0.132 Angstrom, which is less than the
0.3 Angstrom that Mills claims for the radius of the helium atom IIRC. 

Also, the Hydrino molecules are unlikely to all be the same size (i.e. not all
n=1/4), so some should leak faster than others.

[snip]
>It was my understanding that the ash of the sun cell is the hydrino molecule, 
>which would be bigger thana  He atom which  in gaseous form is monatomic.
>
>
>
>From: Axil Axil 
>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:37:20 PM
>To: vortex-l
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino
>
>The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a 
>neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.
>
>https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2000/01/neutron-trapping-demonstrated-first-time-nist
>
>"Scientists have demonstrated for the first time that they can confine 
>neutrons, one of the basic particles of matter, in a three-dimensional 
>magnetic trap, an achievement that will help expand our knowledge of the 
>creation of matter during the Big Bang."
>
>On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM, 
>> wrote:
>In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's 
>message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:52:23
>+:
>Hi,
>[snip]
>>Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.
>
>I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.
>
>Regards,
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:39:42 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>The hydrino should be capable of being managed since the protons and
>electrons associated with the hydrino still have spin. Therefore the
>hydrino as a combined entity comprised of those spin carrying protons and
>electrons should be subject to control by magnetic manipulation. I would be
>interested in see how the hydrino ash behaves when segregated and condensed
>as in a magnetic trap. Such a study of the behavior of SunCell (hydrino)
>ash would lend credence to the asserted claims made within hydrino theory.

You may find the NMRI (MRI) experiment that Mills has carried out in the past
interesting, if you can still find the paper.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It was my understanding that the ash of the sun cell is the hydrino molecule, 
which would be bigger thana  He atom which  in gaseous form is monatomic.



From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:37:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a 
neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2000/01/neutron-trapping-demonstrated-first-time-nist

"Scientists have demonstrated for the first time that they can confine 
neutrons, one of the basic particles of matter, in a three-dimensional magnetic 
trap, an achievement that will help expand our knowledge of the creation of 
matter during the Big Bang."

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM, 
> wrote:
In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's 
message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:52:23
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.

I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[Axil Axil]

The hydrino should be capable of being managed since the protons and
electrons associated with the hydrino still have spin. Therefore the
hydrino as a combined entity comprised of those spin carrying protons and
electrons should be subject to control by magnetic manipulation. I would be
interested in see how the hydrino ash behaves when segregated and condensed
as in a magnetic trap. Such a study of the behavior of SunCell (hydrino)
ash would lend credence to the asserted claims made within hydrino theory.

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:10 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:37:20 -0500:
> Hi,
>
> Hydrinos come in a many sizes all smaller than Hydrogen atoms. Those Mills
> currently claims to be using are 4 times smaller than an H atom, according
> to
> him. A dihydrino molecule has a center to center separation distance that
> is
> sqrt(2) times larger than the radius. This makes these somewhat smaller
> than
> Helium atoms. AFAIK Helium does leak, but slowly. I would expect these
> Hydrino's
> leak faster than Helium.
>
> >The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a
> >neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:37:20 -0500:
Hi,

Hydrinos come in a many sizes all smaller than Hydrogen atoms. Those Mills
currently claims to be using are 4 times smaller than an H atom, according to
him. A dihydrino molecule has a center to center separation distance that is
sqrt(2) times larger than the radius. This makes these somewhat smaller than
Helium atoms. AFAIK Helium does leak, but slowly. I would expect these Hydrino's
leak faster than Helium.

>The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a
>neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[Axil Axil]

The hydrino is essentially equivalent in size and electrical behavior to a
neutron. Neutrons could be confined using their magnetic properties.

https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2000/01/neutron-trapping-demonstrated-first-time-nist

"Scientists have demonstrated for the first time that they can confine
neutrons, one of the basic particles of matter, in a three-dimensional
magnetic trap, an achievement that will help expand our knowledge of the
creation of matter during the Big Bang."

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 7:23 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017
> 22:52:23
> +:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.
>
> I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:52:23
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.

I doubt it. I think it would just leak through the skin of the balloon.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[Axil Axil]

I heard that Mills claims that this hydrino material is dark matter.

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 5:52 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I watched the recent Mill’s lecture on U-Tube.  It is informative IMHO.
>
>
>
> I had the following inquiry with answers from Mills or a spokesman:
>
>
>
> >>Dr. Mills—
>
>  I watched the Fresno lecture on U-tube.
>
>  A question still in my mind regards the disposition of the dense
> hydrogen molecule  formed during the reaction.
>
> Answer: it is the same mass and density as ordinary hydrogen gas, just
> comprises a lower energy state.
>
>
>
> Is it a biologically hazardous substance?
>
>
>
> Answer: It is extremely stable, does not react with anything.
>
>
>
> and how does the cell remove the material from the cell?
>
>
>
> Answer: It is lighter than air like ordinary hydrogen, vents to space.
>
>
>
> Does the  dense hydrogen waste have a significant worth as a by product?
>
>
>
> Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.
>
> How might it be useful?
>
> Answer: heat transfer, buoyancy.
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:suncell waste materials--hydrino

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I watched the recent Mill’s lecture on U-Tube.  It is informative IMHO.

I had the following inquiry with answers from Mills or a spokesman:

>>Dr. Mills—

 I watched the Fresno lecture on U-tube.

 A question still in my mind regards the disposition of the dense hydrogen 
molecule  formed during the reaction.
Answer: it is the same mass and density as ordinary hydrogen gas, just 
comprises a lower energy state.

Is it a biologically hazardous substance?

Answer: It is extremely stable, does not react with anything.

and how does the cell remove the material from the cell?

Answer: It is lighter than air like ordinary hydrogen, vents to space.

Does the  dense hydrogen waste have a significant worth as a by product?

Answer: Yes, as a replacement for expensive, finite, and scarce helium.

How might it be useful?

Answer: heat transfer, buoyancy.
Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:IBM Raises the Bar with a 50-Qubit Quantum Computer

[JonesBeene]

Hey Mark,

Will it be able to figure out the secret to LENR ??

I guess it will have about 90 microseconds to do it 


From: Mark Jurich

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609451/ibm-raises-the-bar-with-a-50-qubit-quantum-computer/

RE: [Vo]:RE: UDH, wimps, and dark matter

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

http://vixra.org/pdf/1706.0528v1.pdf

See page 18 of the  paper for a up-to-date experiment to look for WIMPs.

It is clear dark matter WIMPS are favored over LENR for research funding, at 
least the funding not associated with dark projects.

Bob Cook



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From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:33:34 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:RE: UDH, wimps, and dark matter

Jones—

On further thought neutron stars may be a BEC of Cooper pairs of H or even a 
dandy randy batch of hydrinos.

I’ll bet Axil has some additional thoughts on this issue—maybe a BEC of 
wimpzillas.

IMHO black holes may be nothing more than a BEC of wimpzillas at 10-e27 eV for 
each one—lots of energy cooped up by a unified gravitational field--gluons and 
quarks be damned.

Have a good day,
Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 6:40:11 AM
To: Vortex List
Subject: [Vo]:RE: UDH, wimps, and dark matter

Another curious thought: The neutron star.

Could these fairly well-known objects be composed of UDH, instead of neutrons?

The concept of UDH was not around when these objects were first studied and 
named and of course no one has ever been close to one- or even done an 
experiment which confirms that any large mass of neutrons would be possible. In 
fact all laboratory efforts to bind neutrons to each other suggest there is no 
stable way to do this in small groupings. Yet that complete failure to bind 
neutrons has not deterred Astronomers as they had no other option.

A neutron star is the collapsed core of a large star which before collapse had 
a total of between 10 and 30 solar masses and 99% of that mass was hydrogen – 
with almost no neutrons. Therefore Ockham would say the simplest answer is that 
in the end - two forms of hydrogen are involved in this type of object – not a 
wholesale transformation of one form to another form which is known to decay.

Neutron stars result from a supernova explosion combined with gravitational 
collapse but it happens too fast for complete conversion into neutrons, plus 
once formed, the star no longer actively generates heat, and that suggests the 
hydrogen has become dark matter, whatever that is – possibly WIMPS which are 
themselves composed of UDH in its most stable form. But not a complete 
transformation in a short time to neutrons.

The Universe is a simpler place to explain as being composed of mostly hydrogen 
in different forms, especially since there is no doubt that neutrons decay over 
time and protons do not. Most of the basic models for the supernova collapse 
imply that they in the end they are composed almost entirely of neutrons when a 
few hours before there was almost no neutrons at all, but the theorists that 
developed these models did not have knowledge of any other dense form of matter 
with no net charge (to work with in creating the model) – that is ... before 
Holmlid came along with the UDH concept.

Perhaps it is time to revisit neutron stars with other thinking but of course 
that would only happen when Holmlid is independently confirmed. It is premature 
to do so now.

When this happens, my suggestion is that we honor Holmlid and rename the 
neutron star as the Holmlid star.

[Vo]:IBM Raises the Bar with a 50-Qubit Quantum Computer

[Mark Jurich]

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609451/ibm-raises-the-bar-with-a-50-qubit-quantum-computer/

RE: [Vo]:RE: UDH, wimps, and dark matter

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

On further thought neutron stars may be a BEC of Cooper pairs of H or even a 
dandy randy batch of hydrinos.

I’ll bet Axil has some additional thoughts on this issue—maybe a BEC of 
wimpzillas.

IMHO black holes may be nothing more than a BEC of wimpzillas at 10-e27 eV for 
each one—lots of energy cooped up by a unified gravitational field--gluons and 
quarks be damned.

Have a good day,
Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 6:40:11 AM
To: Vortex List
Subject: [Vo]:RE: UDH, wimps, and dark matter

Another curious thought: The neutron star.

Could these fairly well-known objects be composed of UDH, instead of neutrons?

The concept of UDH was not around when these objects were first studied and 
named and of course no one has ever been close to one- or even done an 
experiment which confirms that any large mass of neutrons would be possible. In 
fact all laboratory efforts to bind neutrons to each other suggest there is no 
stable way to do this in small groupings. Yet that complete failure to bind 
neutrons has not deterred Astronomers as they had no other option.

A neutron star is the collapsed core of a large star which before collapse had 
a total of between 10 and 30 solar masses and 99% of that mass was hydrogen – 
with almost no neutrons. Therefore Ockham would say the simplest answer is that 
in the end - two forms of hydrogen are involved in this type of object – not a 
wholesale transformation of one form to another form which is known to decay.

Neutron stars result from a supernova explosion combined with gravitational 
collapse but it happens too fast for complete conversion into neutrons, plus 
once formed, the star no longer actively generates heat, and that suggests the 
hydrogen has become dark matter, whatever that is – possibly WIMPS which are 
themselves composed of UDH in its most stable form. But not a complete 
transformation in a short time to neutrons.

The Universe is a simpler place to explain as being composed of mostly hydrogen 
in different forms, especially since there is no doubt that neutrons decay over 
time and protons do not. Most of the basic models for the supernova collapse 
imply that they in the end they are composed almost entirely of neutrons when a 
few hours before there was almost no neutrons at all, but the theorists that 
developed these models did not have knowledge of any other dense form of matter 
with no net charge (to work with in creating the model) – that is ... before 
Holmlid came along with the UDH concept.

Perhaps it is time to revisit neutron stars with other thinking but of course 
that would only happen when Holmlid is independently confirmed. It is premature 
to do so now.

When this happens, my suggestion is that we honor Holmlid and rename the 
neutron star as the Holmlid star.

[Vo]:RE: UDH, wimps, and dark matter

[JonesBeene]

Another curious thought: The neutron star. 

Could these fairly well-known objects be composed of UDH, instead of neutrons?

The concept of UDH was not around when these objects were first studied and 
named and of course no one has ever been close to one- or even done an 
experiment which confirms that any large mass of neutrons would be possible. In 
fact all laboratory efforts to bind neutrons to each other suggest there is no 
stable way to do this in small groupings. Yet that complete failure to bind 
neutrons has not deterred Astronomers as they had no other option.

A neutron star is the collapsed core of a large star which before collapse had 
a total of between 10 and 30 solar masses and 99% of that mass was hydrogen – 
with almost no neutrons. Therefore Ockham would say the simplest answer is that 
in the end - two forms of hydrogen are involved in this type of object – not a 
wholesale transformation of one form to another form which is known to decay.

Neutron stars result from a supernova explosion combined with gravitational 
collapse but it happens too fast for complete conversion into neutrons, plus 
once formed, the star no longer actively generates heat, and that suggests the 
hydrogen has become dark matter, whatever that is – possibly WIMPS which are 
themselves composed of UDH in its most stable form. But not a complete 
transformation in a short time to neutrons. 

The Universe is a simpler place to explain as being composed of mostly hydrogen 
in different forms, especially since there is no doubt that neutrons decay over 
time and protons do not. Most of the basic models for the supernova collapse 
imply that they in the end they are composed almost entirely of neutrons when a 
few hours before there was almost no neutrons at all, but the theorists that 
developed these models did not have knowledge of any other dense form of matter 
with no net charge (to work with in creating the model) – that is ... before 
Holmlid came along with the UDH concept.

Perhaps it is time to revisit neutron stars with other thinking but of course 
that would only happen when Holmlid is independently confirmed. It is premature 
to do so now.

When this happens, my suggestion is that we honor Holmlid and rename the 
neutron star as the Holmlid star.