[Vo]:A.Rossi interview from 22passi blog - english translation
Original link: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/energy-catalyzer-funziona-e-non-e.html This is my human translation. Enjoy! == Energy catalyzer: It works and it's not cold fusion Interview to Eng. Andrea Rossi 22PASSI. Good day Eng. Rossi, I thank you for accepting this interview. Everybody are asking themselves how you did manage to perfect your Energy Catalyzer. Somebody even suspects that you stole the idea, for example, from Professor Piantelli from the University of Siena, who in the '90 worked together with Prof. Focardi on cold fusion research. Could you explain us where, why, how and where you started working to this project? ROSSI. I started in 1987. As facts show, my process strongly differs from previous efforts: nobody has managed to manufacture a working device so far. Facts count, not words. 22PASSI. 1987 means two years before the strongly disputed Fleischmann and Pons experiment; recently you stated that it's not proper to define as cold fusion the reaction occurring in your catalyzer and that it's more correct, at the moment, to generically define it weak nuclear reaction, in other words low energy or LENR. Are you telling us that you went on a different road, parallel to that of cold fusion research? ROSSI. Exactly. In fact, mine is not cold fusion, but weak energy nuclear reactions. Fleischmann and Pons did heavy water electrolysis with a palladium cathode and platinum anode. I don't do electrolysis, I don't use either platinum or palladium and I use temperatures that manage to melt nickel. 22PASSI. The idea that you've built something which works, even without a scientific theoretic model, frightens some regarding the safety of such device. What could you tell use regarding it? I imagine that you have some idea of what happens in the catalyzer even if you're unable to prove it, right? ROSSI. Yes, I have a very precise idea and I think I've understood perfectly the mechanism, but to explain it it's necessary that the patent gets approved. For now we can demonstrate that the reactors work, and that they do not emit radiations, in addition of being able to be utilized without risks. The rest will come over time. 22PASSI. Regarding the patent, on the Internet it can be read that the request was made on behalf of your wife. Why? ROSSI. I'm sorry, but I don't see how this has something to do with scientific research. 22PASSI. Could you clarify the role that you and Prof. Focardi have regarding the apparatus development? ROSSI. I've invented the method and the apparatus. Prof. Focardi had a fundamental role as a consultant, according to a definite agreement. He gave important contributions during the experimental phase, on the research method and on security systems, thanks also to his deep experience with nickel-hydrogen reactions. 22PASSI. What is the role of the University of Bologna regarding the apparatus you're about to patent? ROSSI. With the University of Bologna we made a research agreement which will be extended in order to study radiations and to research and develop certain particulars. 22PASSI. Clearly once the catalyzer will be commercialized, there won't be trade secrets anymore. Will you allow independent laboratories to check the inside of the device only after that, or will that happen before? ROSSI. We have to build plants that will need to honor warranties made during the agreement phase. Clients will have to follow instructions for safety reasons too. That being said, clients will be free to perform any test they wish with their plants, as long as they honor their agreements. It's clear, though, for us to renounce to trade secrets, that the patent, currently pending, will have to be accepted. If it won't, we'll keep trade secrets for obvious reasons. 22PASSI. Many doubt your credibility, due to the Omar-Petroldragon scandal from the '90s. On your site you provide an explanation of the events which frees you completely from any blame, pointing that the judicial documents confirm that you have nothing to do with the environmental pollution and fraud accusations. Why then didn't you bring a lawsuit to the Italian State in order to obtain a compensation, given the huge economic (and image) losses you've had? ROSSI. The answer to this question is thoroughly described in the http://www.ingandrearossi.com website. I don't want to answer that here briefly: who is interested to that matter should read carefully what I've written on my website. 22PASSI. Among those who believe that the Energy Catalyzer works, there's doubt that it could be subject to cover-ups. There are fears that who currently controls the energy market (fossil fuels and uranium) would be willing to pay you enormous amounts of money in order to keep your invention locked in a safe. ROSSI. They will have to step over my dead body. This technology is the meaning of my professional life and the reason of my
[Vo]:February 13th A. Rossi interview from 22passi blog
Hello group, Daniele Passerini from 22passi blog interviewed again Andrea Rossi on February 13th. This is the original link: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/02/energy-catalyzer-facciamo-un-po-di.html And this is an English translation courtesy of PESN, edited by Hank Mills from a Google translation: http://pesn.com/2011/02/14/9501766_Rossi_catalyzer_clarity_interview/ * * * Energy Catalyzer: Lets get some clarity. Last Monday I had the opportunity to meet Ing. Andrea Rossi for a second interview, this time face to face, in order to collect new details about his invention. I have recorded over 30 minutes of questions and answers that in the days following the interview I summarized in the following text. On the basis of a gentleman's agreement I also was given a number of clarifications, off record and confidential, which reinforce my belief that people - and there are many- that think this has something to do with a hoax are like a half mule and half ostrich. 22PASSI - Congratulations Mr. Rossi, the news of the invention of the E-Cat has been prominent in Greece where the Newco that assumes responsibility for it's production and marketing, Defkalion Green Technologies of Athens, is located. I imagine that Prof. Christos E. Stremmenos has to be played as a sponsor, who was an opponent of the regime of the colonels, former Ambassador of Greece to Rome, Professor of Physics at the University of Athens, and practically a national hero in Greece. In Italy the media have largely ignored the news and discussed it only on the web, often bitterly. The questions that I'm inspired to ask address the doubts and criticisms that I have picked up on the internet. For example, a very controversial question is if the E-Cat can be considered safe. ROSSI - The 10-kW modules we produce are safe and for years now we have been testing and using them with no problems. All possible measures of radiation from the reactor have been taken and the modules have always demonstrated the utmost safety. We control it as we want, switching it on and switching it off and we get power on and power off. It can never exceed a certain power because we have designed it so that there can be no Nickel-Hydrogen reaction above the safety limits and, above all, there is no radiation outside of the reactor significantly over the background level. It is true that with our current state of knowledge we do not know what would happen if we started scaling up the reactor from 10KW to 1000KW. In fact, we take care not to do so. To obtain higher power production we combine the modules in series and parallel, as if they were batteries. A 10 KW reactor connecting in parallel increases the amount of energy produced at a constant temperature and putting them in series multiplies the amount of energy produced at increasing temperature, because you multiply the TD. Combining the two architectures, parallel and series, you can get what you want and stay strictly in the same safety parameters. 22PASSI - We always talk about thermal power, right? ROSSI - yes, when converting to other forms of energy there will be a loss of efficiency. In the Carnot cycle efficiency is usually between 30% and 35% depending on the efficiency of the system, this means that if we convert 1MW of thermal power we can get 300-350 kW electric and thermal energy. 22PASSI - Then we could produce both heat and electricity at the same time.. ROSSI - With the Carnot cycle this is so. Of course nothing is created and nothing is destroyed: the energy balance should be 100. However, if out of 100KW of heat 35 KW of heat was converted into electricity and the other 65KW of heat remained, then you would lose a few percentage points in conversion. In summary, if the E-Cat provides only thermal power directly, only a heat exchanger is needed and you're done. If you need electricity only a portion of the thermal energy can be transformed into electricity, but you will also have the heat that remains. 22PASSI. Then a small village of 50-100 families with a 1 MW unit could be made more energy independent in terms of heating and electricity. ROSSI. Ah yes, this certainly. 22PASSI - If I understand correctly, once enough power is given to the reactor to ignite (in Bologna there was talk of 1-2kW), in this setup the machine might operate autonomously, without a power outlet or battery as the power input (on the order of 0.4 kW / h) is well within the approximately 3.5 kW electricity obtainable. ROSSI - Certainly. There remains, however, the problem of the drive (control system) that is still a little more complex: each reactor has implemented an electrical drive for safety reasons and much be attached to a current line. Precisely because of these controls, we can ensure that there are no safety problems inherent in our E-Cat from 10 kW, as well in our unit from 1MW, consisting of 100 reactors from 10kW each of which has its
[Vo]:Rossi's E-Cat: modulable output or not?
Hello group, Have a look here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=11#comment-27734 [...] Is it easy to adjust the output power of that unit or is it just “on” or “off” 10 kW? # Andrea Rossi March 14th, 2011 at 2:16 PM Dear Mr Mats Heijkenskjold: Yes, you can adjust it, by means of a potentiometer . Compare with this: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=5#comment-20066 # Andrea Rossi January 21st, 2011 at 3:44 AM Dear Mr Di Stefano: 1-The output of a single module is not modulable. The output of combined modules is modulable turning on/off one or more modules [...] This seems to be contradicting information. I wonder if there have been actual changes or if Rossi is deliberately spreading misleading information. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:More questions to Rossi from Ny Teknik
Hello group, Have a look here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3126617.ece Many interesting additional questions from Ny Teknik readers have been recently answered by Rossi, regarding his E-cat. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell
On 2011-03-19 20:04, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rossi tells IE, “We are making a thorough series of tests with the University of Bologna, which will be 12 months long with a reactor in operation 24 hours per day. During this year we will make a long theory of measurements and tests, also in collaboration with CERN researchers. A report will be made at the end of the 12 months of measurements.” To be fair, that is what Rossi says. Rossi says many things. He's very talkative (excluding technical details), however what he says does not always turn out to be 100% accurate. CERN might only be indirectly or very loosely involved with this matter, if even at all, if the quoted text above is to be taken very literally (for example, former CERN researchers, or researchers who happen to work or having recently worked at CERN, but that won't participate in E-Cat tests/research on behalf of CERN). Some time back Rossi also said, as far as I remember, that agreements were made with the Bologna University to test his reactor and perform related research. However at at that time only proposals were made, according to a reader of Passerini's 22Passi blog who contacted them directly. I would really prefer to read directly from the interested parties about their involvement, and not only from A.Rossi. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi radio interview
On 2011-03-29 15:56, Jed Rothwell wrote: Steve Krivit's Rossi Portal has two new items. A short article and audio interview from a radio station: http://radio.rcdc.it/archives/energia-ad-ottobre-parte-la-prima-centrale-a-fusione-fredda-73932/ And a transcript from that broadcast audio track: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/03/per-me-conta-solo-ed-esclusivamente-il.html I do not know if this is a complete transcript. I do not understand parts of it because of the limitations of Google translate. (I must say though, Google translate has made vital contributions to the progress of cold fusion lately.) Hi, This is my translation of the italian transcript (which appears to be completed - I listened to the audio interview) posted on Passerini's 22passi blog. Since I'm a bit in hurry I haven't checked it for errors, so you are free to perform corrections as fit. Enjoy! * After the test at Bologna - which has been the last test performed on a laboratory module - we started the production of the industrial plant, which is a thermal 1 Megawatt power plant, that will be inaugurated at around end October 2011, so at the moment we are completely focused on this. Therefore our next step will the the presentation of a 1 MW industrial plant working at one of our clients. The prototype you showed here in Bologna seemed like - how could we say - it could have been suitable for home use. Why have you decided instead to start with a plant of bigger dimensions? Well, it's a matter of authorizations. To serve industrial clients, the module demonstrated at Bologna is too small, in other words it has a too small energy production; however since the 1 MW plant is nothing but a collection of several 10 kW modules, it's easy to reach industrial-level energy needs. Now, to obtain authorizations to install and operate an industrial-type plant is much easier than doing the same for a home-use plant, because in a factory a plant has to be operated and controlled by professionals - therefore laws expect that a there is a skilled and expert person responsible for the plant, and this is true for every kind of industrial plant - while at a consumer level the authorization/certification process is much longer and complex, because when a home use plant is sold, it's expected that it's sold to people who don't have the expertise and aren't absolutely suppoed to know all the technical instructions, etc., and this is the reason. Very clear. Among other things we've read in an interview from a swedish magazine - a chat interview - that you are also ready to work with Sweden, with swedish businessmen. Yes. So, we were wondering why not in Italy. Why not at Bologna, the city where among other things you showed your invention. Yes, look - among other things, with the University of Bologna we also made a research and development agreement - we don't have anything against Italy - I am italian by the way - but it's clear that I have to go where there specific interest. So, regarding this, given the nature objectively revolutionary of the prototype demonstrated, a pair of things have come into our minds. There's not much discussion about it even though you publicly showed it; or better, there's quite some discussion - a bit on the internet - but not that much, in journalistic terms we can say that the debate at the moment is confined to a very small circle. True. ...what do you think about this? Don't people believe you? Do they think that - let me put double quotes to the words - you are a charlatan ? Is this the reason why there's not much discussion about it? No, I don't think so. My opinion is that this is an extremely new technology and therefore, once a very experimental university-level demonstration has been made, a practical industrial application is necessary before there can be a more widespread, specific interest about it. So this is why at the moment we are exclusively focused on the development of our first industrial plant. You effectively said that your road is that of commercial plants because that way you can have better control. What are the risks of your technology? Current news tell us of risks due to classic power plants [nuclear fission]; alarming news are coming from Japan, and same from Germany (Merkel said stop to two plants)... in short, in addition to an exit strategy from oil economy, there are talks from an exit strategy from old style nuclear technology. What kind of problems could your technology show? The fundamental thing is that we don't use radioactive materials and that we don't have as a result of our operativity radioactive waste from the reactor. There aren't emissions of any kind and by the environmental point of view this technology doesn't cause problems of any kind. Engineer, do you feel a bit like a 21st century Marconi at the moment? Not at all, see: at the moment I only feel like a person woking
Re: [Vo]:OT: google trends
On 2011-03-30 03:38, Harry Veeder wrote: The decline in cold fusion google searches has leveled off... http://tinyurl.com/64dqn7d I've been keeping track of that too. This query is interesting as well, it shows that interest about Rossi's E-Cat is not short lived, actually it's quite steady over time, maybe growing: http://www.google.com/trends?q=rossi+cold+fusion%2C+rossi+focardi%2C+cold+fusionctab=0geo=alldate=2011sort=2 Alexa site traffic comparison shows interesting data too: http://i.imgur.com/8zhDZ.png Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper
Hello group, A detailed and quite long (even too much to post here completely) english article on Rossi's Energy Catalyzer has been posted today on Ny Teknik. Here's its summary: In a detailed report, two Swedish physicists exclude chemical reactions as the energy source in the Italian ‘energy catalyzer’. The two physicists recently supervised a new test of the device in Bologna, Italy. http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece It's actually a two part article. The second part should prove quite interesting and revealing. I'll copy and paste that here, but be sure to check out the rest in the link above as well: * * * Analyses of the nickel powder used in Rossi’s energy catalyzer show that a large amount of copper is formed. Sven Kullander considers this to be evidence of a nuclear reaction. For copper to be formed out of nickel, the nucleus of nickel has to capture a proton. The fact that this possibly occurs in Rossi’s reactor is why the concept of cold fusion has been mentioned – it would consist of fusion between nuclei of nickel and hydrogen. A term that many consider to be more accurate, however, is LENR, Low Energy Nuclear Reaction. Ny Teknik: For how long has the powder supposedly been used in the process? Kullander: The powder has reportedly been used for 2.5 months continuously with an output of 10 kW (according to Rossi). It corresponds to a total energy of 18 MWh, with a consumption of up to 100 grams of nickel and two grams of hydrogen. If the production had been done with oil, two tons of oil would have been required. Ny Teknik: What analyses have you done on the powders? Kullander: Element analysis and isotopic analysis. At the Ångström Laboratory in Uppsala, Sweden, element analysis has been made using X-ray Fluorescence (XRFS). Dr. Erik Lindahl undertook the investigation. At the Biomedical Center in Uppsala, both element analysis and isotope analysis has been done through Inductively Coupled Plasma Mass Spectrometry (ICP-MS). Associate Professor Jean Pettersson has made the measurement. Ny Teknik: What results have you obtained from the analyses? Kullander: Both measurements show that the pure nickel powder contains mainly nickel, and the used powder is different in that several elements are present, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron. The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS doesn’t show any deviation from the natural isotopic composition of nickel and copper. Ny Teknik: How do you interpret the results? Kullander: Provided that copper is not one of the additives used as catalyst, the copper isotopes 63 and 65 can only have been formed during the process. Their presence is therefore a proof that nuclear reactions took place in the process. However, it’s remarkable that nickel-58 and hydrogen can form copper-63 (70%) and copper-65 (30%). This means that in the process, the original nickel-58 should have grown by five and seven atomic mass-units, respectively, during the nuclear transmutation. However, there are two stable isotopes of nickel with low concentration, nickel-62 and nickel-64, which could conceivably contribute to copper production. According to Rossi copper is not among the additives. 100 grams of nickel had been used during 2.5 months of continuous heating with 10 kW output power. A straightforward calculation shows that a large proportion of the nickel must have been consumed if it was ‘burned’ in a nuclear process. It’s then somewhat strange that the isotopic composition doesn’t differ from the natural. Ny Teknik: What further analyses are you planning? Kullander: We have not planned anything definite. If it’s possible to refine the isotopic measurements, further isotopic measurements would be important mainly to get a better accuracy in the field of 60 to 65 atomic mass units. We have also discussed with Rossi installing an energy catalyzer at a laboratory in Uppsala to perform more detailed measurements. These could be part of a scientific collaboration with the Bologna University. * * * Furthermore, for those interested (I know there are many italian readers following this mailing list) The whole Ny Teknik article has been translated by Daniele Passerini on his 22Passi blog, here: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/i-fisici-svedesi-sulle-cat-e-una.html Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper
On 2011-04-06 13:51, Terry Blanton wrote: Ah! Piccys of naked ECats! In the technical report itself there are even more pictures of them: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29. http://tinyurl.com/68wqoyy Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)
Hello group, A *very* interesting (revealing many previously unknown details, to tell the truth I'm not sure if he was supposed to disclose them all) three-part audio interview in italian to Sergio Focardi by a local web radio has been submitted here: http://radio.rcdc.it/archives/sergio-focardi-parla-il-padre-della-fusione-fredda-ni-h-75679/ At the moment there is no transcript available yet, so unfortunately a Google translation isn't possible yet either. I expect one to appear very soon (for example on Passerini's blog). I'll try to translate it in English as soon as possible when that happens. Some interesting bits of information that caught my attention (as an appetizer for when a full transcript will be posted) - Focardi-Rossi's paper was first submitted to arXiv.org, but was rejected (to Focardi's disdain, since they are known to publish almost everything). As a result of this, Rossi decided to create his own journal to publish it there. Apparently Rossi does not like much that people know this. - Focardi doesn't know the exact composition of the catalyser used in the reactor (in addition to nickel powder) or what it does exactly but he suspects that it's a chemical compound promoting nickel's adsorption of hydrogen in atomic form rather than molecular. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)
On 2011-04-06 18:58, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Maybe something got lost in the translation here, but find it surprising that Focardi apparently doesn't know the composition of the catalyzer used in Rossi's reactor. Are we to assume Rossi hasn't told him? I'm quite sure Focardi told that he doesn't know the composition (nor he wants to know - he added). By catalyzer I mean the unknown compound which enhances the nickel-hydrogen reaction. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)
On 2011-04-06 19:10, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Really! Does he say why he doesn't want to know? The only speculation that makes any sense to me might be for personal safety reasons. He doesn't, and I don't think he seriously means that either, but maybe he simply doesn't want to jeopardize the patenting process of Rossi's reactor and/or Rossi's current temporary advantage over any possible emerging competitor. Perhaps the catalyzing compound is so important for the macroscopic excess energy to occur that even he isn't allowed to know what is it about (I find this hard to believe though). By the way, I forgot to add it in the opening post, but he also said that they don't use natural uranium (or any other radioactive material either - as Rossi has repeatedly written all along). Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together
On 2011-04-06 22:06, Jed Rothwell wrote: A few weeks ago I mentioned that I think ganging together many small Rossi devices will call for some complicated engineering. Perhaps it will slow down the development of the 1 MW reactor. I'm sure that 100 units can be coordinated but it may take a team of engineers some time to design such a system. According to Rossi's latest plans, the megawatt reactor is going to be made of not 100, but 300 smaller units similar in size to those seen in photos featured in today's technical report by Essen and Kullander. http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece [...] According to Rossi, a total of 300 reactors connected in series and parallel, will be used in the installation. Originally 100 reactors of the version that delivered 10 kW of power during earlier trials, were supposedly planned for the one-megawatt installation. Rossi still expects the inauguration to take place in October 2011. [...] Personally I see this as a weak point and source of possible delays. It's going to be a complex and expensive system. Maintenance is also going to be a mess, assuming it's like that of an individual module, scaled 300x. Can you imagine replacing the nickel charge to each modular unit every 6 months? Seeing that 10 kW modules have the potential for more than 100 kW of thermal power as reported by Levi during the February 18 hours test, personally I would have tried to sort out reliability problems in order to limit their total number in the megawatt plant to 25-30. That would be, in my opinion, much more compact and manageable in many ways. But I'm not the inventor after all. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper
On 2011-04-06 23:01, Alan J Fletcher wrote: prev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Findex.php Seems new to me. Proper link to the relevant bit: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Faktuellt.php%23notis472 Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Ongoing Rossi Blog stuff
On 2011-04-05 20:51, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Rossi continues to answer and/or avoid answering questions. I find this of interest too: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473 [...] The walls of the reactor are made of stainless steel, copper free. Yes, I have understood why scaling up we have more difficulties to have a flat curve of Delta T. Also the theory is consolidating. I am learning a lot in this period, I learnt a lot from the Professors of The Universities of Bologna, Stockolm and Uppsala ( in alphabetic order, of course) and from the People of DOE and DOD in the USA. From them there is really to learn. They say 10-20 words and from those words I get a universe of informations. In these last 2 months we made substantial evolution, after every test I redesigned and remade the reactors. Today I am in the USA factory of Leonardo Corporation where I signed a contract of tremendous importance. As soon as I will be allowed to announce it, believe me, it will be extremely important. So, reportedly, he is still in the process of improving his reactors (that's a good thing) and has just made an important agreement with a currently unknown (to us) entity. I wonder what could it be. It sounds like we will find out soon, anyway. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?
On 2011-04-08 14:03, Terry Blanton wrote: energy. All they suffered was heartbreak. Then comes the final tragedy: the professor has contracted a terminal disease. It may sound like a joke, but Focardi did really contract cancer several years ago. He has recovered from it completely, however. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract
On 2011-04-08 23:20, Jed Rothwell wrote: On April 8, Rossi wrote in his blog: . . . yesterday we signed a very important contract in the USA. [...] On March 23rd he wrote this: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=12 [...] Also in the USA we are making tests with an extremely important Customer preparing a similar plant in the USA which will be, very likely, our second job. So they made tests with this important client, then finally an agreement was reached yesterday. Interesting. It's a pity that information on Rossi's blog is so scattered and badly organized, but I guess that might be intentional too. Also it's unlikely that we would have known unless people continued asking questions (and Rossi answering them in addition to including other interesting tidbits. He never takes the initiative on this matter). Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract
On 2011-04-09 00:40, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not think so. I believe I know Rossi well enough to say that the scattered and poorly organized nature of his web site is not intentional. He is not the blog webmaster. He did not develop it. So we can't blame the structure on him. But he does not see anything wrong with it. I agree it fits his personality. Personally, even without trying to invest too much time organizing content, I would have put a section for general discussion, one strictly for submitted papers and related messages, and a proper blog- (or even twitter-) like one for E-cat news entries, development status reports, future plans written by Rossi himself. I hope he or his IT experts are reading this. [...] By the way, you do not need a search box. It is handy, but you can restrict a Google search to one web site with an advanced search or by using a search term such as: Yes, I use this trick often, but the caveat is that it doesn't work on pages not indexed by Google. By the way, maybe it's off-topic here, but I'll take the chance to ask you a question on something you wrote on a few hours ago on another forum: Some people have speculated that Rossi would not allow tests except in his presence. He already did allow such tests. He even paid for such tests! He is now back in Florida and test are continuing at U. Bologna. Do you have access to inside information? I thought the RD agreement with the University of Bologna was still on hold due to legal / bureaucracy issues, at least as far as I can read between the lines in info posted on Passerini's blog, whom is some sort of insider himself. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Sven Kullander's additional comments on Rossi's Energy Catalyzer
Hello group, I just found this in the comments section in the Swedish edition of Ny Teknik's last article on Rossi's Energy Catalyzer (by the way, lots of information and interesting insights can be found there!): http://aleklett.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/rossis-energikatalysator-–-en-stor-bluff-eller-helt-ny-fysik/ It apparently contains a comment by Sven Kullander himself. Let's see what Google Translate yields in english: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Faleklett.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F04%2F08%2Frossis-energikatalysator-%E2%80%93-en-stor-bluff-eller-helt-ny-fysik%2F Short link: http://tinyurl.com/3o3aaoo Entire text copied/pasted below. Sven Kullander's personal comments further below: * * * Rossi energy catalyst - a big hoax or new physics? It has called me to comment on what the new technology called Rossi's energy catalyst and it will be a pleasure to do it because I have to pick up my skills from the time when I was doing research on various nuclear reactions. There will be a fairly detailed review. First I would like to mention that Professor Sven Kullander, who is chairman of the Royal. Energy Sciences committee, since the beginning of the year also is a professor emeritus of my research team at Uppsala University. He sits in the room next to mine so the discussion of Rossi's experiment was an issue every time we met in recent weeks. I always try to be as critical as possible while it is exciting to be pretty close to the center of something that is either a fake or something new and exciting. There are many scientists who criticize Sven that he even has sexual relations with the experiment, but as scientists we have a responsibility to investigate the alleged phenomenon is real or a hoax. The fact that Sven has been involved is quite natural since he is chairman of the KVA's energy committee and if anyone thinks that he has accepted the results when they have completely wrong, but by getting the present and look to open a position to confirm or reject. As a researcher, you want an explanation on what is happening and right now we do not see any explanation of the knowledge we currently have on the chemistry and physics. It may be entirely new physics that must be explained or a scam that must be disclosed. Here you can read the trip report that Sven Kullander written . The biggest problem is that there is a black box in the center of the plant and Rossi refuses to open the lid before he has a patent on the invention. He is an engineer, a skilled engineer, and he is thinking like an engineer. As a researcher, it gives priority to fame and fortune and research results are published for all to read and understand. Of course there is the opportunity to do some measurements and determine certain parameters, but the heart of the plant are embedded in a sheath of lead, and blyhöljet is the black box. Sven and I talked about the experiment before he left for Italy and today we again discussed what they saw and recorded. To calculate how much energy it takes to heat water to boiling point and how much energy it takes to evaporate the water belongs to elementary thermodynamics that produced energy are OK. It is time to look at the black box. When Rossi was in Uppsala for a few weeks ago he brought with him two samples. One was the nickel powder so that it looks like before it is placed in the black box and the second was a test which reportedly had been fuel in the energy catalyst for two and a half months. Energy effect during the time stated and the total amount of energy can be calculated. Researchers at Angstrom has examined what the spent fuel contained in addition to nickel and it was concluded that there was 10% copper and the isotope ratios of copper was about the same as in natural copper, 70/30. Known chemical reactions can not explain the amount of energy measured. A nuclear reaction can explain the amount of energy, but the knowledge we have today says that this reaction can take place. It's time to pick up my core physical skills. Nickel is an element with 28 protons and the number of protons determines the charging that the nucleus has, +28. Hydrogen has the charge +1 and Coulumbkraften make that two positively charged particles repel each other. This means that in a test where there are hydrogen and nickel and in which hydrogen is the thermal energy so it can not be a nuclear reaction. The energy is measured can be explained by a nuclear reaction, but the knowledge we have about nuclear reactions to end the nuclear reactions that can explain the amount of energy. It is this fact that makes many are critical of Sven Kullander that he even cares about Rossi. Those of you who have followed my struggle for Peak Oil know that I am not afraid of a challenge, but then I am a nuclear physicist, I must be critical and take out everything that shows that
Re: [Vo]:Sven Kullander's additional comments on Rossi's Energy Catalyzer
On 2011-04-09 12:51, Göran Crafte wrote: [...] google-translation of the Swedish text that There are many scientists who criticise Sven that he even has sexual relations with the experiment! The Swedish word which is used in the text is beblanda which should be translated to mix with or interfere with rather than has sexual relations with! Oh my goodness! I should have checked better before copy/pasting or at least only provide Google Translate links. Unfortunately posted messages can't be deleted. I'll remember about possible issues with machine translations next time by only providing links to them. Thanks for the important correction, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract
On 2011-04-08 23:20, Jed Rothwell wrote: On April 8, Rossi wrote in his blog: . . . yesterday we signed a very important contract in the USA. More info: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473 * * * Dr Rossi, Are you able to tell us any more regarding the nature of the contract you mentioned was signed in the USA yesterday? Can you perhaps indicate whether this was a contract from a customer to manufacture supply e-cats or if this was with a supplier for materials? Any information would be appreciated as there is growing excitement around the commercial rollout of your technology. Many Thanks, Craig (Editor)- Free Energy Truth * * * Andrea Rossi April 9th, 2011 at 7:56 AM Dear Craig: The Customer of us is a kind of Customer you need to have a written authorization of to talk about him. In due time we will make a joint communication. We will manufacture together a network of plants to sell the energy. I am very happy for this, because I am extremely indebted with the USA, where I got my rebirth, and we will make here new jobs and a useful work, so I will give back part of the help I got, as it is my duty. I always give back what I get, turned into energy. It’s my job. Warm Regards, * * * Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)
On 2011-04-06 18:51, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: Hello group, A *very* interesting (revealing many previously unknown details, to tell the truth I'm not sure if he was supposed to disclose them all) three-part audio interview in italian to Sergio Focardi by a local web radio has been submitted here: http://radio.rcdc.it/archives/sergio-focardi-parla-il-padre-della-fusione-fredda-ni-h-75679/ An Italian transcription of the interview has been posted on Daniele Passerini's 22passi blog: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/il-professor-focardi-spiega-la-fusione.html Google translation in English: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=ittl=enu=http%3A%2F%2F22passi.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F04%2Fil-professor-focardi-spiega-la-fusione.html While we wait for a human translation in English that is supposed to be posted on that blog at a later time, I can help translating in a more readable form the more obscure passages of the machine translation, in case there are any (I haven't checked yet). Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract
On 2011-04-09 17:37, Jed Rothwell wrote: Ah. Now he says he will not be able to announce the identity of the customer for months. More related info. It looks like we'll have to wait until October, after all: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=14#comments * * * 1) You told us that you have signed a contract with a new US partner with whom you want to sell energy in the US. Do you want to sell heat, electricity, or both? 2)Is your new partner a public traded company so that I can buy shares of them? 3)You told us that you made your modules smaller (10 kw to 4.5 kw) because of safety. Now for your modules are safer, can we expect that heating systems for heating normal houses are sooner available than before? * * * Andrea Rossi April 9th, 2011 at 3:07 PM Dear Mr Erwin Hergen: 1- both 2- By October we will make a joint press conference 3- Maybe, yes, but the issue in this case is Authorizations. * * * Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:E-cat facebook page
On 2011-04-10 19:11, Jed Rothwell wrote: http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer I have never looked at a Facebook page before. It seems chaotic, no better than Rossi's blog. What is it with modern programmers that they cannot organize and categorize information? I think they depend too much on search tools such as Google. I don't use Facebook either. However, that is not much more than an unofficial Rossi E-Cat fans' page, as far as I can see. Other Facebook groups about other topics have a similar layout, which means that it probably can't be improved (although the content could). At least it can help raise public awareness about Rossi's invention. On the other hand, Rossi's JONP blog, which is based on the WordPress CMS (Content Management System, a kind of software infrastructure for building websites), could be extensively improved in accessibility, looks and functionality with existing free plug-ins/addons, so little to minimal programming skills would be required. There are many websites based on WordPress that look nice and are well organized. Maybe this is currently not Rossi's top priority, though. Cheers, S.A.
Re: Fwd: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat CATALYST Speculation Thread
On 2011-04-11 23:04, Axil Axil wrote: -- Forwarded message -- [...] This is an extremely interesting, well thought post; you're definitely onto something. Iron oxide (=rust) would also be quite cheap to add to nickel power which is consistent to what we've read so far on charge (powdered nickel + catalyzer) costs. Cheers, S.A.
Re: Fwd: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat CATALYST Speculation Thread
On 2011-04-11 23:57, Axil Axil wrote: The following speculation is offered as a springboard for discussion as regards to the chemical and physical processes that underlie the Rossi reactor. This is another attempt to connect the dots. I haven't seen that part appear here. Should I sent it again? I think you should, but try joining all parts together first, so that there will be only one single post. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi addresses Ni enrichment issue
On 2011-04-12 16:25, Jed Rothwell wrote: As I said to Jones Beene, Rossi is often secretive. You might say he is openly secretive, meaning he makes no bones about the fact that he is hiding information. That is partly what he did in his response to me, below. By the way, I'm under the impression that Rossi has been made aware of public technical discussions about his invention and on websites and mailing lists like Vortex (or perhaps he even reads them himself), as recently (since the last few days) he started showing more signs of unwillingness to discuss about those details on his blog than usual. Maybe he's inadvertently (and dangerously to his patent) disclosed too many hints so far. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:What Rossi Says list
On 2011-04-13 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: This was formerly titled What We Know from Rossi. It is a list of major assertions made by Rossi and others, mainly Rossi in his blog You made me remember that a few weeks ago I started writing down (or more like, copy/pasting) a list of questions answered by Rossi on his blog, but eventually dropped the task as I realized it would have been a huge deal of work. Anyway this is what I ended up with. I hope somebody else more determined or with more free time than me will pick this up and continue what I started (which includes arranging questions/answers in a more coherent manner, fixing typos and wording, etc): ** how much nickel is used? If the nickel is spread on the tungsten: how much is the estimation about the power released by the system for unit of surface or unit of volume? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19090 Dear Enrico: we estimate the consumption of Ni and H has been in the order of picograms. We do not use W. * * * What is the ratio of hydrogen isotope to metal atoms you reach at your preferred operating level? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19091 This information is confidential. I am very sorry, but our patent is still pending, therefore there will be some data that we cannot release, to avoid heavy legal issues with our licensees. * * * It is unclear from the translation as to the amount of H2 consumed. Next big future has a picture of your apparatus and I can see the pressure gauge on the H2 tank but no flowmeter on the H2 line. So my question is what was the gas cylinder pressure before the demo and after the demo? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19093 Your question is important. The pressure of Hydrogen gas in the tank before the test was 80 bars and at the end of the test was 80 bars. The consumption of Hydrogen is in the range of picograms, not enough to determine a delta P in the tank. * * * 1) What is the evidence for copper production? 2) Is there any evidence for isotopic anomalies? 3) How is the power switched on and off? 4) Is there evidence of consumption of a fuel? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19099 What you are requesting is contained in our patent application. Other Scientists already have reached the effect using the informations contained in the patent application, which is published also on the Journal Of Nuclear Physics. But you must be careful about this: this work must be done only in professional laboratories and with respect of all the safety requirements. Hydrogen is highly explosive and nickel powder is very toxic. To make such experiments without the necessary experience and professional instrumentation can be lethal. * * * How much Ni is in the cell? How much total energy, heat and radiation, is produced per hour for a gram of Ni? Are some other elements used to facilitate the reactions? How small can a working cell be made ? for instance, for home power units buried in the yard? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19105 In the cell there are several milligrams of Ni To make 10 kWh/h the consume of Ni and H is in the order of several picograms, but considering that not all the Ni in the reactor reacts, the actual consumption, to make 10 kWh/h is of about 0,1 g of Ni and 0,01 g of H Yes, other elements are used, upon which we have to maintain confidentiality until the patent pending becomes a patent The dimensions of a unit like the one you are thinking of, of course not considering the authorization issues, could be about one cm 50 x 100 x 50 with the present technology. * * * One picogram is 1/1000 of a billionth of a gram. Why do you refer to picograms as they are many orders of magnitude smaller than grams? According to your figures (.1 g per 10 kwh), 1 Kg of Nickel would deliver 10 kW for 10 000 hours, roughly 14 months. Is this correct? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19116 You are correct, but I distinguished between the mass of Ni which reacts and the mass of Ni that you need in the reactor to obtain that the necessary mass reacts. The efficiency is very low, due to the probabilistic issue. * * * We hear a pulsating sound in the video of the operating catalyzer. What is causing the sound? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19117 The sound ( kind of tac, tac, tac…) is made by the water pump, which is a precision dosator . * * * Can you simply state what the Watts IN are versus Watts OUT? Can you turn off the input current? Does the reaction become self-sustaining? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=1#comment-19118 Watts in: 400 wh/h Watts out: 15,000 wh/h Yes, we can turn off the input current, but we prefer to maintain a drive and the reasons
Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat CATALYST Speculation Thread
On 2011-04-13 23:25, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not understand what this means. Someone should please rewrite works in a homogeneous phase with nickel powder. Does that mean the powder is homogeneous? What is a homogeneous phase? Maybe he meant this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogeneous_catalysis Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:What Rossi Says list
On 2011-04-14 01:16, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] We could organize this info in a Wiki, with categories: Materials, Operation method, Performance characteristics . . . [...] This is a good idea and I was thinking exactly about it yesterday when I sent that list to the group. The end result should be interesting. If there's enough interest I might even resume my information collecting task from JONP. By the way, all info previously listed was from the JONP thread: JANUARY 15th FOCARDI AND ROSSI PRESS CONFERENCE from page 1 to page 8. There are loads of information in older threads too, in which for some reason from time to time questions from new users and answers by Rossi appear. I know that well because I enabled RSS feeds for new comments on that blog. There's definitely more activity than meets the eye. In order to get RSS feeds for JONP thread comments you have to append feed=rss2 to thread URLs. For example: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360feed=rss2 Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi addresses Ni enrichment issue
On 2011-04-12 17:00, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not think he is more unwilling than usual. Sorry for replying here only now. The reason behind what I've written is that I'm noticing as time passes that the amount of Can't answer and Already answered answers on his blog has been increasing as of late. The latter especially looks like a convenient way to avoid addressing new issues to me. From now on I think people should try focusing on ineludible simple single questions. We should also watch for deletion of older answers that might have given too much information (and regarding this I'm realizing just now that I should have kept them all copy / pasted in a safe place as they appeared on his blog). Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Hanno Essén: follow up experiment next week
Hello group, In answer to a question from a concerned person regarding water flow measurements during the last Rossi E-cat test/demonstration, Hanno Essén added, perhaps unconsciously, that there will be a follow-up experiment next week. Here's the original email as posted by him on an italian discussion forum (some personal info omitted): * * * Hello I remember clearly that there was no adjusting of the pump during the experiment. There was a tank of distilled water on the floor below the pump. Unfortunately its refilling and weight etc were not checked. These things will be better checked in a follow up experiment next week. Best regards Hanno Essén Citerar xx x @: Dear Prof. Hanno Essén, since there wasn't a flowmeter recording the flow some skeptics here in Italy claims that the water flow was changed during the test, from 6.47 kg/h to 3 kg/h during the kick observed at 60 degrees and another half at around 97 degrees. Do you remember if there was a water tank around the pump, the size of the tank and how many times was refilled? It's possibile to exclude a 3 kg/h flow because the water level of the tank was consistent with a 6 kg/h flow? Thank you. Hanno Essén Docent Studierektor KTH Mekanik * * * Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Hanno Essén: follow up experiment next week
On 2011-04-14 21:33, noone noone wrote: What forum was this on? This one: http://www.energeticambiente.it/fusione-fredda-e-trasmutazioni-nucleari-bassa-energia/ There are a few regularly updated threads scattered around there about Rossi's E-Cat. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:take a look to 22passi...
On 2011-04-14 22:02, Peter Gluck wrote: interesting anti E-cat at Daniele's blog.. Here's a link to his blog (in Italian) for the clueless: http://22passi.blogspot.com/ By the way, I've read much worse things (mean, irrational, plain ignorant, etc) around from people discrediting Rossi's work. General news mainstream websites (there are some which featured one or two stories about the E-Cat) also generally contain marvelous examples of that among user comments. That shows how regarded is cold fusion outside certain small groups, though. Hopefully this will change if the E-Cat will prove to work as intended without leaving any room for doubt. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Hanno Essén: follow up experiment next week
On 2011-04-14 22:16, noone noone wrote: I found it! Mind if I post the link? It's a public website after all, go ahead. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
Hello group, A human translation in English of the interview to Sergio Focardi linked here several days ago has been posted on Daniele Passerini's 22passi blog: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/sergio-focardi-father-of-ni-h-cold.html By request of the original interviewers and because the translation itself, in addition to being quite lengthy might still be subject to small changes, I'm not copy/pasting it here this time. Excerpts of it for discussion purposes should be ok, though. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
On 2011-04-15 03:01, Jed Rothwell wrote: I assume this part is accurately translated: So there were two parallel lines of research: on one side, the deuterium and palladium people, who never got anything . . .[...] Yes, it is. Several people on discussion boards I read on the matter have criticized that excerpt from the original audio interview for the same reasons (and also, because in my opinion it reinforces skeptics' argument that FP' experiments were a scam. Many still think that). Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
On 2011-04-15 16:04, Jed Rothwell wrote: But Peter Gluck wrote: . . . one word is missing: 'technological.' What do you mean by missing word? Did Focardi say this and it is missing from the translation? Or did he fail to say this and he should have? He didn't say that in the interview and in retrospect he should have. I don't believe he really thinks there haven't been positive results from Pd-D LENR research, he was more referring to their scale. In that sense he is somewhat right that the difference between those and his/Rossi's is so large that in practical terms other researchers haven't got anything so far. You see that he is outspoken and he says all kinds of things, including stuff better left unsaid. Maybe he was just exaggerating, or mouthing off. It is hard to believe he does not know there have been positive results from palladium. It was a very informal interview on a local radio station (located in Bologna) with people that he already knew and already invited him a few times in the past months. Focardi probably didn't expect that an international audience would dissect it word by word, so he spoke without filters as he, reportedly, usually does. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi, the father of “Ni-H Cold-Fusion [English translation]
On 2011-04-15 21:07, Jed Rothwell wrote: I am surprised no one else has picked up on this. This part of the Focardi interview is likely to put the President of Greece and the Min. of Energy in the hot seat: [...] Does it? Personally when I heard that in the original audio I assumed what Focardi said was a huge simplification of what actually went on between Stremmenos and the Greek government. But you're right, I guess the press would like to hear the details about that. By the way, I think that has something to do with Nickel mining, of which Greece is number 1 in Europe (excluding Russia). Having nickel powder production on site where it's produced would be quite convenient, I suppose, and I guess special permits would be needed. If Rossi's reactor will be successful, expanded Nickel mining alone would bring a lot of needed new jobs that the government might want to regulate. Also if this will actually happen, the Greek government might want to tax nickel used in E-cat power production to account for the loss of revenues due to the decrease of hydrocarbon usage. Maybe this is what Focardi was referring about in a few words. There has been a post about that on Passerini's blog last week, with a nice and in my opinion informative discussion among users (in Italian only, unfortunately): http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/estrazione-di-nickel-nel-mondo.html Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Notes on Rossi device
On 2011-04-15 23:46, Jed Rothwell wrote: NOTES ON ROSSI DEVICE [...] Good job! I'll try collecting other questions/answers from various posts in Rossi's blog. I'll post them in this thread unsorted. By the way, I think the question/answer date is important and should not be taken out of context. The E-Cat apparently continuously evolved over time since January. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Notes on Rossi device
On 2011-04-15 23:46, Jed Rothwell wrote: The 1 MW (thermal) device will be made of many smaller ones ganged together. It was originally planned to be made up of ~130 10 kW units, where 30 were held in standby to replace or augment older ones as the power decreased. They now plan to use ~300 units. Originally there were even less units planned: * * * Andrea Rossi March 26th, 2010 at 9:36 AM Yes, we are making a 1 MW power reactor constituted by 50 modules of 20 kw each[...] * * * Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Notes on Rossi device
On 2011-04-15 23:46, Jed Rothwell wrote: The effect can be quenched with the following methods: [...] Inject N to displace the H. Recently he added: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=64 * * * 2. I’ve read that you once had to stop the machine by insufflating nitrogen and that the E-cat has to be steered or controlled by electricity. What would happen if there’s a break in the supply of electricity ? would it then be necessary to stop the machine, and if so, how? Is there a need for an alternative supply of electricity to step in, in form of a (rechargeable) backup battery, in such situations? And would it be a safety step to replace the hydrogen tube with a nitrogen ditto in order to stop the process by an automatic valve which opens up when needed ? for ex if the machine becomes overheated? Andrea Rossi March 30th, 2011 at 7:00 PM Dear Mr Ake Ostlund: 1- when the powder has to be changed, as you correctly suggest, the hydrogen tube has to be disconnected 2-I neve insufflated Nytrogen. That info was wrong. If there is a black out, the E-Cat automatically stops, for lack of current: it is intrinsecally safe Warm Regards, * * * Ok, I'll post all of these in a list later, not going to create a new post each time, although I'm tempted. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Notes on Rossi device
On 2011-04-16 00:37, Jed Rothwell wrote: This was either a misunderstanding or he has retracted it. It is not important. The purpose of the list is to present an up-to-date description of what Rossi now thinks, not to hold him to previous statements or find out how often he has changed his mind. Fair enough. I'm not sure if I will be able to send them, but what follows is a series of text files containing raw question/answers I found relevant from Rossi's blog up to the JANUARY 15th FOCARDI AND ROSSI PRESS CONFERENCE post, which will take alone some dedicated work to process entirely (you used part of that for the list in the opening post). By the way, what caught my attention in particular is that it appears that the reactor shielding is made of lead and boron, not lead only, but that might be outdated information. Cheers, S.A. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=53 Andrea Rossi April 16th, 2010 at 8:27 AM Gent. Sig. Luca: Se non ci fossero radiazioni gamma, non potrebbe funzionare il reattore: lfenergia si ottiene proprio in virtuf della generazione di raggi gamma e di altre reazioni descritte nel mio brevetto. Quello che ha detto il Prof. Focardi, che in base ad un contratto che abbiamo con lfUniversitaf di Bologna ha controllato le radiazione residue nellfambiente, ef, appunto, che non ci sono radiazioni residue fuori dal reattore. Tali misurazioni, ovviamente, sono state necessarie al fine di certificare la sicurezza dellf reattore sia sotto il profilo della protezione individuale, sia della protezione ambientale. Il grosso vantaggio di questo apparato ef che non usa materiale radioattivo e non lascia residui radioattivi, ne come rifiuti solidi, ne come emissioni ambientali. La ringrazio per la Sua apprezzata attenzione e Le porgo cordiali saluti, Andrea Rossi *** Giancarlo Rossi June 19th, 2010 at 3:49 PM Gentile Prof. Andrea Rossi Sono un semplice appassionato, vorrei porre qualche domandac 1) State usando qualche isotopo particolarmente pesante del Nichel (Nichel-64 che dicono costi 100.000 dollari per 5 grammi?) 2) State usando DEUTERIO oppure se ho ben capito IDROGENO ? 3) Utilizzate forse il LITIO come gcatalizzatoreh della reazione. 4) ATTENZIONE ALLE LOBBY DEL PETROLIO E DEL CARBONE: http://pesn.com/2010/06/18/9501662_water-fuel-research_Explosion_kills_inventor/ Giancarlo Rossi (Ma non era meglio se svolgeva queste ricerche in Giappone o in Cina, paesi assolutamente privi di risorse e di lobby assassine?) Andrea Rossi June 20th, 2010 at 2:52 AM Gent. Sig. Giancarlo Rossi, Grazie per la Sua attenzione; ecco le risposte: 1-No, usiamo Ni nella sua composizione isotopica naturale 2-Idrogeno 3-Non posso dare informazioni in merito ai catalizzatori 4- Nella mia vita ne ho passate di tali, che ormai non mi impressiono piu di niente 5- Ho la fortuna di potere lavorare negli USA, e Le assicuro che, almeno dal mio punto di vista, non esiste Paese migliore al mondo Cordiali saluti, Andrea Rossi ** Andrea Rossi April 6th, 2011 at 5:43 AM Dear Mr M: We have contacts in the whole world, but our commercial operations will begin in November, after the start up of our 1 MW plant in Greece. Thank you for your kind considerations, Warm regards, A.R. Warm Regards, A.R. *** http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=58 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=59http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=62 John Fisher March 16th, 2010 at 12:29 PM As I understand it you can control the rate of energy production in the nickel by adjusting the hydrogen pressure, and this method was used to maintain constant output power during the periods of energy measurement. Is this correct? Andrea Rossi March 16th, 2010 at 2:16 PM Actually, is more complex. You are asking confidential issues. Sorry. A.R. *** Andrea Rossi March 26th, 2010 at 9:28 AM A module with a power of 20 kw has a volume of 20 liters and weights 30 kg. Bigger powers are made with more modules, because for safety reasons I prefer to add up series and parallels with the cooling fluids , not with the reactors, to maintain small energy reactors. Andrea Rossi *** Andrea Rossi March 26th, 2010 at 9:36 AM Yes, we are making a 1 MW power reactor constituted by 50 modules of 20 kw each: I prefer for safety reasons to add series and parallels with the cooling fluids, not making bigger reactors, to maintain small and well tested reactors which we learnt perfectly to control. Soon wefll put in operation the first section of the 1MW plant, in the USA and when we will have everything well in operation we will communicate the data. We want not to make press conferences if we have not an industrial plant operated not by us, as it has been up to now, but by the very high level
Re: [Vo]:Notes on Rossi device
On 2011-04-16 01:36, Jones Beene wrote: Yes. Do not delete this ! It is important. Add this one to the growing 'contradictions' list, because I am sure that at one time he said he can operate the device for a period of time with no electrical input. How can it then be possible to shut down automatically with no current unless you flush with N ? ... and Terry is correct: the tank is labeled as nitrogen. Surely he is not so careless (miserly) as to fill this tank with H2 to cut cost ? By shutting down hydrogen supply, as Focardi said in his latest interview. After hydrogen pressure decreases by a certain amount the reactor supposedly stops working by itself. P.S.: By the way, did my other email containing a long list of questions and answers by Rossi reach the group? Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Notes on Rossi device
On 2011-04-15 23:46, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] You could also add this important piece of information: * * * http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=16#comment-0 Is it in general possible to regulate the power output of the E-cat in a continous way and if yes in what limits about? Is it done by regulating the H2 – pressure or can it be achieved by adjusting the preheating input? April 16th, 2011 at 10:36 AM 1- Yes, from 0 through 100% 2- Adjusting the preheating input Warm Regards, A.R. * * * Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rai News 24 the inquiry on LENR
On 2011-04-17 07:13, Peter Gluck wrote: Grazie. a Vi prego- la seconda parte? It was very well organized and had logical fluency... Part 1: http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/canale-tv.php?id=22918 Part 2: http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/canale-tv.php?id=22919 Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Rai News 24 the inquiry on LENR
On 2011-04-17 15:15, Jed Rothwell wrote: Is there no mention of Rossi? That's ungracious. He is the reason they have gained credibility with the public, and they are being interviewed on TV. There was absolutely no mention of him, but from what I've read around it appears this was due to an agreement made beforehand as the next episode of that TV program on the LENR issue will be entirely dedicated to Rossi's E-Cat. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Strange position of heater in mini-Rossi device
On 2011-04-21 21:37, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] I do not know what to make of it. Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but I often wonder if the name Energy Catalyzer chosen by Rossi isn't itself a hint regarding the internal reactor construction. Given that his English language skill isn't very great, trying to read into his mind I would guess he thought of the Italian word catalizzatore, also commonly used in Italy to refer to catalytic converters (short form: cat) found in modern automobiles. If this is the case, following the same concept (while not being exactly the same as the powder/catalyst is not in direct contact with water and pressurized hydrogen is used), inside the reactor there would be a conduit for the water to flow (or many smaller conduits for larger water heating efficiency), while the catalyst would be, sealed in the cavity around it, which would make the heater placement logical. http://i.imgur.com/sFZdY.png A twist to this is that perhaps the reactor isn't filled with powdered catalyst, but following the catalytic converter concept, the catalyst is embedded on the reactor internal walls not in contact with water, maybe machined to increase surface roughness and therefore surface area. This might also explain why: - Rossi mentioned often that at the end of its life cycle, the reactor portion of an E-Cat must be replaced completely with a new one. - The inside of the reactor is apparently complex However, this is just my speculation. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Strange position of heater in mini-Rossi device
On 2011-04-21 22:49, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: The exterior copper pipe lining/jacket which encases the external reactor torus wall might assist in the transfer of reactor heat to the adjacent flowing water. If the reactor torus had been built entirely outside of the copper tubing holding the flowing water only the internal torus wall of the reactor would be able to transfer heat to the adjacent water. The external wall of the torus configuration would not be able to transfer ANY of its heat to the flowing water. I suspect the electric heater is not there to heat water, but to heat hydrogen and increase its pressure inside the reactor and therefore controlling the reaction together with water flow (which cools the reactor). Once the Ni-H reaction starts, water is heated by it. Increasing heater power and decreasing water flow probably stimulate Ni-H reaction, and vice-versa. Cheers, S.A.
