Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first
Hi, It's so sad to notice that my gutfeeling about Defkalion was unfortunately right. On 15-5-2014 20:11, Jed Rothwell wrote: It seems the whole thing fell apart after Rossi broke the contract. My guess is that he never transferred the technology to them. That's what he said, and I suppose it must be true. Maybe they thought they knew how to make the gadget work without his help, but they did not. I hope Rossi's device will be available soon for the entire world. We really need it! Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:Branes -- LENR
Hi, Just a thought related to the string theory and the Big Bang inflation theory. Could it be that Branes are the macro version, while LENR is the micro version of the same principle? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic - You Tube Video - We are from the future
Dear Steven, Thanks for sharing this video, I enjoyed it. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
Dear Alan, On 6-11-2013 18:11, Alan Fletcher wrote: Is this the Ragone diagram you stand by? http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024×624.png I'm afraid the file is not there anymore, as I get an 404 error. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
Alan, On 6-11-2013 21:48, Alan Fletcher wrote: It's funny -- I pulled up the Forbes image this morning ! Still there : http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024x624.png Yep I see, but there is a slight difference between those two: The one that works has an x in between while the original has %C3%97 at the same spot, which doesn't work. I think that the URL got truncated when I copied the Rossi post into email. Most likely a conversion error. As you may see the the original link has a very small space followed by an x which is a bit lifted from the baseline! Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:Is this for real or a scam?
Hi, Just wondering if anybody knows about Liberty Generator? http://www.libertygenerator.com/ Be aware it is an endless long video with a Powerpoint kind of presentation with Voice-over. Is this for real or just another scam? Anybody knows how it works if it does work? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Is this for real or a scam?
Jones et al, Just for clarification I have NO whatsoever affiliation with this site. Curious minds only wanted to know what the claimed behind laying principle/technique is for this generator. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion on Wikipedia japanes and chinese
Dear Jed, On 23-9-2013 20:13, Jed Rothwell wrote: Furthermore, decreasing the cost of energy is likely to improve first world economies sooner than it improves third world countries or China, since we have more high tech, we have more ways to grow the economy, and we import more energy per capita than they do. Lower energy costs would be a tremendous boon to Japan, because they are closing down all of the nuclear power plants. You would be right if the focus of the ones in charge were to be on lowering energy cost and gaining a higher standard of living for ALL people. However I strongly doubt if that is what their real intention is. I tend to agree with Alain and Edmund's (probably also Peter Gluck's) perception of how the world is managed. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Cosmologist claims Universe may not be expanding
Hi, On 18-7-2013 17:17, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: The evidence for the Big Bang is not just the red-shift. It has multiple lines that actually support each other. ... Big Bang theory stays perfectly unchallenged. It is just journalistic sensationalism. I disagree, as there is at least the issue of the singularity. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed
Hi, On 17-7-2013 2:27, Jed Rothwell wrote: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: as well as a member of the Cicap. CICAP: *ICAP, the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims on the Paranormal,* promotes a scientific and critical enquiry of supposed paranormal and mysterious phenomena Your point is? Are you opposed to investigating mysterious phenomena? Or in favor of it? I don't think that's the point that Blaze is trying to make. It seems to me that an organization that is mainly focused on investigating paranormal activities is out of it's league in this case. It looks a bit to me that somebody pulled this organization into the game to make the claims ridiculous, which in turn could work as a boomerang and could result in people not taking CICAP serious at all. In Dutch we would say schoenmaker blijf bij je leest, as in my perception the phenomena have nothing to do with any paranormal claims whatever. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Why Cold Fusion Has to Die
Hi, On 15-7-2013 16:11, Jones Beene wrote: 3) PCRPF or polariton catalyzed reversible proton fusion The thing is you need some kind of catchy Acronym. The above could be abbreviated to Polca Repro fusion; which can again be abbreviated to PoRe fusion ;-) And pore fusion could in essence link to the principle of the use of cavities. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Why Cold Fusion Has to Die
Hi, On 15-7-2013 21:06, H Veeder wrote: X-Rated Fusion XXX Fusion Only to be applied after 10:00 PM ;-) Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:LENR clues in a 6/30/13 crop circle?
Hi, On 4-7-2013 23:50, ChemE Stewart wrote: For those with an open mind http://cropcircleconnector.com/2013/Cavallo/comments.html Interesting link, and I noticed the link with the word alchemy, which is said to originate from the Arabic al-kimia. I was wondering if the word might be originally ALSO related to the Greek conjunction of allos (not original/different/strange) and chumeia (chemistry/casting/(in)fusion). This suggests a relation with nuclear fusion (or fission?) in which a transmutation from one element into another element takes place. This is in essence the old thought that alchemists were able to change Lead into Gold. However in my perception is the process to potentially achieve this the reverse from what you need, i.e. fission i.s.o. of fusion. You might wonder if the old alchemists were actually nuclear physicists? This raises the question if Andrea Rossi and his teachers stumbled on some very old secret writings or knowledge about alchemy. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]: About the March test
Hi, On 21-6-2013 21:49, John Milstone wrote: Again, it's clear from the full description that they were looking for additional WIRES. There is nothing about checking what was IN the wires. Just to borrow a phrase from Jones: This is complete bull crap ! It seems you are completely clueless about how wires are manufactured. The manufacturing process does NOT allow for hidden wires to be included. For some enlighting information see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6m1Uii5v2I Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Venus - high and dry - why ?
Jones, On 17-6-2013 14:18, Jones Beene wrote: Venus is bone-dry and hot enough to melt lead at 836 degrees F (447 degrees C), Very interesting information, but I fail to see the relevance of the above fact. Could you please elaborate on this a bit further as I thought that Lead has a melting point of 600.61 K, 327.46 °C, 621.43 °F , which seems to be well below the surface temperature of Venus. ref.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead Which applies of course for many more elements and molecules. And on the other hand many other elements such as Copper and Nickel seem to have a much higher melting and boiling point. So I'm missing somehow the link here and meaning of the above fact. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Venus - high and dry - why ?
Jones, On 17-6-2013 14:18, Jones Beene wrote: Venus is bone-dry and hot enough to melt lead at 836 degrees F (447 degrees C), Very interesting information, but I fail to see the relevance of the above fact. Could you please elaborate on this a bit further as I thought that Lead has a melting point of 600.61 K, 327.46 °C, 621.43 °F , which seems to be well below the surface temperature of Venus. ref.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead Which applies of course for many more elements and molecules. And on the other hand many other elements such as Copper and Nickel seem to have a much higher melting and boiling point. So I'm missing somehow the link here and meaning of the above fact. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Superabsorbers
Hi, On 9-6-2013 17:56, Jones Beene wrote: The observation that the Rossi HotCat could be operating as a crude resonator tube - may not have struck a chord with everyone here... at least not yet. Understandable - since it may not be readily apparent how that benefits the situation, even if true. However, methinks the idea of a coherent resonator will catch-on eventually, especially if Rossi's public success continues with the HotCat. This new regime seems like a major breakthrough to me, and that image of the glowing tube is very powerful. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the underlying principle of resonance applied to cold fusion (or whatever name like LENR, CANR, etc. you want to give it) is possibly essentially the same effect which occurs for hot fusion. The major difference is currently in the scale of these experiments. While the devices created by Andrea are small and reasonably manageable, at the same time the contraptions build by Iter e.a. for Hot fusion are huge and essentially not manageable any more. May be it would be a good idea if the socalled Hot fusion scientists would get to their senses and follow the paradigm of less (i.e. small) is more. Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]: Mail filtering was Of NAEs and nothingness...
Hi, On 7-6-2013 4:46, Eric Walker wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com mailto:antimatte...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there some way to be a part of this that does not involve dozens of email messages per waking day to my account? Is there not some way to make an online forum? It would be very difficult to deal with Vortex emails going to one's inbox, given the volume of traffic here. In a Gmail account, it is possible to set up a filter that routes Vortex emails to a subfolder (label) and bypass the inbox entirely. There may be something comparable with Yahoo! mail. If Yahoo! does not give you a way to do this, you might set up a Gmail account specifically for mailing list traffic. I'm using ThunderBird (a sisterprogram of FireFox) for managing my mailboxeS and it allows me to filter on several different aspects (e.g sender, subject etc.) and it keeps things a lot better manageable. My experience is that it works best directly via the IMAP protocol on the mailbox. This requires to pick a decent provider such as Gmail, AOL/AIM, etc. which offers this IMAP functionality. Of course you also need to look into the setting of the non-standard parameters for adding your mail account. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4
Hi, On 5-6-2013 1:49, Kevin O'Malley wrote: I'm not arguing for banning Joshua Cude. I'm saying he should be given a timeout, to return in one day (if he wishes) but then he has an assigned thread that he will be expected to babysit. The thread would be something like Joshua Cude Returns. Anyone can log onto that thread and point out that Joshua is evading them on some other thread, or was proven conclusively wrong, or has been engaging in sneering, or any other rule 2 violation. Then Bill only has 1 place to look. I think Bill solved that in a similar very decent way by moving him to VortexB. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:OT: scrabble challenge
Hi, An appropriate anagram of cold fusion would be ;-) : Coils Found Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Fact checking: Did Nature (or others) publicly decide to reject all cold fusion papers?
Hi, On 2-6-2013 18:28, Alain Sepeda wrote: by the way, remind me to call for a Nuremberg trial on Cold Fusion. Some people have to be fired. I'm afraid you cannot compare this with the Nuremberg trial as some of the accused and sentenced got a death penalty. I don't see any death penalty as a solution to whatever crime anyone has ever committed. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
Hi, On 31-5-2013 4:45, Eric Walker wrote: Yes, and only in a diesel engine do you not need a battery to keep spark plugs going. Call me a nitpicker, but I think it should probably read: Yes, and only in a diesel engine do you not need ANYTHING to keep spark plugs going. Of course, because a diesel engine works with GLOW PLUGS as it doesn't have any spark plugs. But these glow plugs still require electricity generated by an alternator which is connected by a V-belt to the engine. The battery or even better said the ACCU (many European languages use this word; and is shorthand for accumulator) is only needed to start the engine. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
Hi, On 30-5-2013 22:48, Edmund Storms wrote: I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical point at which the temperature must be reduced depends on the degree of thermal contact between the source of energy (the Ni powder) and the sink (The outside world). The better the thermal contact between these two, the higher the stable temperature and the greater the COP. Rossi has not achieved a COP even close to what is possible. Ok, suppose that it is extremely difficult (I don't want to say impossible, as nothing is impossible) to enhance the thermal contact between the source of energy and the sink, wouldn't it be wise then to put the whole system in a temperature controlled box (let's call it a refrigerator) with a constant temperature to obtain a stable environment for the E-cat? To bring up another analogy it is my understanding that when you have a steam engine and you are turning at several handles and wheels at the same time it is extremely difficult to get the system stable with an optimum output. It sounds to me that Andrea is having a similar problem with the E-cat, he should try to freeze the environment of the E-cat as much as possible and then work on ONE control to gain better COP. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.
Hi, On 31-5-2013 12:44, Robert Lynn wrote: I am generally saddened to see the recent witch-hunt/culling of dissent/heresy in the Vort. The 'sneering' rule is being applied asymmetrically, and frankly of late it is becoming more like a doctrinal church. Killing off opposing views like Abd, Andrew and others does not improve the quality of the discourse. I like that imagination, wild ideas and hope have free rein here, but I also think it is essential to temper that with dissenting views to get to the heart of problems. On 31 May 2013 10:29, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I thought that the DC issue was put to rest. Only according to the credulous true believers. you want it to be true. ***Sneering. Against the rules. Yes, I'm in favor of free speech with open and honest discussions, but I willingly try to avoid discussions (troll feeding) with certain people in this list who try to fight, obfuscate and flood any reasonable discussion! And having said that, couldn't it be that J.C. is an example of a false messenger who behaves in a similar way as what he is saying he is opposing? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test
Hi, On 30-5-2013 20:15, Alan Fletcher wrote: From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:38:17 AM The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. This is a test rig he's using, so of course it's over-engineered. When you've finished the design and find you don't need all that power then you can go back to single-phase for the production version. You really think that (after building a 3-phase controller-triac test rig) that he should redesign it just for the March test? No, you just have the controller activate one of the triacs instead of all three. Yep, every reasonably educated (E) Engineer (even someone as unconventional as Andrea Rossi) would indeed follow that path. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:PCE-830 manual and 3 phases measurement
Hi, Last night I've been breaking my brain on this matter as well and I think I know what possibly maybe going on. On 29-5-2013 13:19, Claudio C Fiorini wrote: Yes indeed. But why are the tensions around 237 V and not around 400 V AC? They switched the instrument in 3P3W mode, but being incompetent (my opinion) they connected only two wires to the phases but one to the neutral. That's what I thought initially as well, but thinking it through this seems not feasible to me, as the display would most likely have shown different readings. It would most likely have shown TWO almost zero voltages and ONE with a voltage around 230 or 400 VAC (based upon European power system) or 110 or 190 V AC (based upon US power system) ! Yes, I would not be surprised if Andrea is maybe using a power supply system with 110 VAC 60Hz. The result can be seen on the display of the PCE830 computer: a complete garbage. Frequency: 5.3 Hz! I suspect this maybe the resulting feedback from the control box and system due to the phase-cutting (duty-cycle) with Triacs. The display shows an A which means it's operating in autodetect mode for the overall frequency. a negative pf, V31 beeing 6.3 V AC and so on. This could be the result of the huge phase shifting of the inserted power signals. Never seen such a garbage on a similar instrument. I think that the phase shift of the control box and system is such that these very strange readings do appear. Andrea is doing things other people would probably normally not dear to try. By the way: it is now obvious, that the resistors were placed between the phases. Look at picture figure 5 in the Levi report. We see that two white cable of two different resistors (2 out of 3 in total, the third is on the right side) are connected to a single wire of the power supply. If you connect 3 resistors from phase to neutral, you would expect in one case 3 white wires connected to one point (neutral) and every other white cable would be connected to a single wire of the power supply. I suspect that Andrea has at TWO sides of the triangle resistors connected and between the phases at the third side a coil for a very specific frequency range, which causes the huge phase shift of all the power signals. A similar thing happens when you use a coil for a TubeLight, which should be corrected with a capacitor, and this is possibly what Andrea has not done with his control box! If the control-box/system contains a coil it could maybe be the key to the resonance created in the reactor vessel, which on it's turn be the principle that is responsible for the fusion and LENR effect. As is suspected by now (ref. Inaccuracy 1 at http://coldfusionnow.org/discovery-news-misinforms-on-cold-fusion-again/ ), resonance is a driving force for both cold and hot fusion to take place! Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Hi, On 29-5-2013 16:29, Bob Higgins wrote: Consider what Celani has done - taken a Ni-Cu alloy wire and etched out the Cu to realize the surface nanotexturing, thus creating NAEs on the wire outer surface. What if this wire is wound in a coil shape? I believe the cylindrical outer heaters are just resistor coils embedded in a high thermal conductivity ceramic. I suspect that Andrea has at TWO sides of the power triangle more or less regular resistors connected and between the phases at the third side a resistor coil for a very specific frequency range. This may cause the huge phase shift of all the phases of the power signals and possibly also an oscillation needed for a resonance inside the reactor? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test
Hi, On 29-5-2013 16:47, Berke Durak wrote: Using three phases you can get DC with decent ripple using only a handful of diodes. The power never goes to zero, whereas it would go to zero 100 times a second if you were using a full-wave rectifier with single-phase input. If the peak power required by the e-CAT is around 1 kW, then you would need caps supplying up to 1 kW. We're talking ~100 µF caps rated at 350V supplying 3.5A. Such large caps are difficult to find and it makes more sense to go with multiple caps in parallel to supply that current. These caps would dissipate a couple watts each. Temperature very quickly shortens the lifetime of aluminum electrolytic caps. Hence, if you use them you reduce the reliability of your device, which could be a problem for the e-Cat. And the above assumes the peak power is 1 kW. Here is an interesting circuit: http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/6-fasen.gif with these voltage and current http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/3-fasenspanning+stroom.jpg It converts the three 50 Hz phases into one output of 300 Hz :-) , which is a lot easier due to the smaller capacitor needed to be directed into DC! Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Hi, On 29-5-2013 17:11, Bob Higgins wrote: I think his reaction is being stimulated by heat (perhaps cycled heating). That's were the two more or less regular resistors play their role to heat up the system, while the third coil is responsible for the oscillation. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Hi, What if the vessel is acting as a kind of capacitor and in conjunction with the coil creates the ideal oscillation circuit? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat
Hi, On 29-5-2013 17:24, Axil Axil wrote: *Are you saying that the oscillations set up in the mouse (outer cylinder) induces oscillations inside the cat (inner cylinder)?* ** *The mouse pulls the cats tail?* On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: What if the vessel is acting as a kind of capacitor and in conjunction with the coil creates the ideal oscillation circuit? Who knows, but if my memory serves me right, then Andrea hinted something similar. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
Hi, On 29-5-2013 17:22, Alain Sepeda wrote: in facts Nassim Nicholas Taleb explain tha in real life, increasing the volume of details, reduce the capacity to take the good decision. big picture is often raising the best vision... I recognize tha pathoskeptics have also their big picture, with huge blind zone, and use hyper-criticism method only to manipulate open-mind people... Yep, and it's all part of the next step in the process that is being followed by the pathoskeptics. You probably know the famous saying First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. It seems we are currently in the second stage and my instinct tells me we might soon be entering the next stage. Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:PCE-830 manual and 3 phases measurement
Hi, On 28-5-2013 14:50, Claudio C Fiorini wrote: The hypothesis is, that the load (the three inputs of the black box) were not connected between the phases and neutral, but between the phases. But, at the same time, the tensions were measured (by error or to mislead) between the phases and neutral. If anyone would have taken the time to take a look in the manual of the measuring device one would have seen that this is utter BS as it is impossible to do so. www.industrial-needs.com/*manual*/power-anlayser-pce-*830*.pdf http://www.industrial-needs.com/manual/power-anlayser-pce-830.pdf If you compare the display shown at this page http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dnn8k0s=5 one can see that the measuring device is in socalled 3P3W mode (page 13) and not in 3P4W mode (page 12) as suggested by some people. Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:RTFM for the PCE-830 and 3 phases measurement
Hi, On 29-5-2013 0:15, Rob Dingemans wrote: If you compare the display shown at this page http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dnn8k0s=5 one can see that the measuring device is in socalled 3P3W mode (page 13) and not in 3P4W mode (page 12) as suggested by some people. As they say, the devil is in the details. It should read 3P3W mode (page 12) and not in 3P4W mode (page 11). Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:The inanity of the hidden input power hypothesis
Hi, On 26-5-2013 5:55, Duncan Cumming wrote: Now for the argument that Rossi runs the risk that somebody will try a type B meter (DC capable), or, for that matter, a simple oscilloscope. He simply does not permit such things. He claims not to allow an oscilloscope because it would reveal a proprietary waveform. By keeping tight control over the test conditions, he is able to ensure that his questionable power measurements are not exposed. By not allowing inspection of the heater controller, he keeps the diode (or asymmetrical firing of the Triacs) from public view. Rossi behaves as if a mundane heater control is super-secret technology - does nobody else find this strange? I can hardly believe that when you connect a scope to the same wall plug as to which the input for the E-cat is connected that Andrea will not allow this. If my assumption is right that: a: the proprietary waveform is of a much higher frequency/waveform then the AC from the wall plug, b: Andrea might be afraid for feedback signals coming from the E-cat control box back into the grid, then a low-pass filter (up to ~ 50 Hz) between the wall plug and the E-cat control box should be sufficient for: a: the scope not being able to detect the proprietary waveform generated in the control box and fed back to the grid, b: at the same time still be able to detect any possible strange waveforms trying to being inserted through the wall plug into the control box of the E-cat, c: and also preventing any strange waveforms to be passing through the low-pass filter into the control box of the E-cat :-) . B.t.w. if Andrea is afraid of the proprietary waveform generated in the control box and fed back to the grid from happening he should redesign his control box and include the low-pass filter as a part of the internal circuitry. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:The inanity of the hidden input power hypothesis
Hi, On 26-5-2013 12:28, Andrew wrote: A fuse blows when a certain *current* passes through it. P = V I cos (theta); *power is voltage x current x power factor*. Thus you can supply high power at low current if you use high voltage, which is how a thin wire can be used to sneak in high power. Jed made the same mistake as you, thinking that you need high current to get high power; it's not necessarily the case. Incidentally, I've known all this kind of stuff since age 9, when I began building radios. Correct, but you are forgetting an important thing. The generally used cables are rated and tested for maximum voltages and cannot be used for much higher voltages (kV) due to safety reasons. If you would want to do this you would need special cables which can be used for high breakdown voltages! Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:The inanity of the hidden input power hypothesis
Hi, On 27-5-2013 17:01, Jones Beene wrote: Whoa. Someone is building a mountain out of a molehill here - and for what purpose? To show that a that cheating could have been accomplished - as an exercise in remote possibilities or magic tricks? ... or is it to express frustration that the poster does not understand the experiment? Just to clarify things, I don't believe that Andrea is performing any tricks at all. From the events I've been following the last two years I'm sincerely convinced that what he has detected/invented is for real. My remarks are only an attempt to point out the flaws in the theories of other people who seem possibly to believe that Andrea is performing any tricks. Similar story with the high voltage low amp suggestion, which should in my opinion for safety reasons resulting in a possible fire hazard completely be discarded. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Enough with the conspiracy theories!!! / Watt meters
On 27-5-2013 17:26, Jed Rothwell wrote: Andrew wrote: Thus you can supply high power at low current if you use high voltage, which is how a thin wire can be used to sneak in high power. Jed made the same mistake as you, thinking that you need high current to get high power . . . No, I did not forget that. I am aware that power is I*V. However these is a limit to how much power you can conduct with any wire. You cannot conduct enough to melt a steel cylinder with an ordinary wire. Exactly my point, which should in my opinion for safety reasons resulting in a possible fire hazard due to the breakdown voltage completely be discarded. The generally used cables are rated and tested for maximum voltages and cannot be used for much higher voltages (kV) due to safety reasons. If you are using these cables for kVs you are willing creating a huge safety hazard. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes power measurments
Hi, On 27-5-2013 20:44, Andrew wrote: The measurement task has been made unnecessarily difficult by specifying 3-phase input to the control box. Normal single-phase input would suffice here, given the power levels. Not necessarily, if all three phases have a balanced load, then the current through Neutral is 0 Amp! See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase Here is an interesting circuit: http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/6-fasen.gif with these voltage and current http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/3-fasenspanning+stroom.jpg It converts the 50 Hz three phases into one of 300 Hz, which is (as many EE knows) a lot easier due to the smaller capacitor needed to be directed into DC. For those of you who can read Dutch this circuit is discussed at this page: http://www.circuitsonline.net/forum/view/65574/2 Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:substitutes?
Hi, On 21-5-2013 18:31, Jones Beene wrote: As to the first part - yes - Ni-62 is a singularity in the periodic table, being the one isotope with the highest binding energy per nucleon of all known nuclides (~8.8 MeV per) Ok, then the following questions pops into my mind: Why is it that although having the highest binding energy the stable Ni-62 isotope only accounts for 3.634 % of all Ni isotopes? Shouldn't that be a lot higher or is there a special reason why it is so low compared to Ni-58 (68.077 %), Ni-60 (26.223 %), Ni-61 (1.114 %) and Ni-64 (0.926 %)? Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:OT :13 things that do not make sense - space - 19 March 2005 - New Scientist
Hi, On 5-3-2013 14:21, Alain Sepeda wrote: I understand why old apes are so careful an afraid the devil gets back in its box, again. youg apes, or de-cryogenizated apes like me, should be careful. This brings back memories about the water hose in the tale of why the caged young apes in the Zoo didn't take a banana from the bunch hanging in the cage. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding
Hi, On 9-2-2013 1:19, Edmund Storms wrote: On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote: I disagree, I think Andrea already did prove his claims. The problem is only that almost nobody seems to understand what is going on. So Rob, you think Andre has proven his claims in many minds. You say that you believe him, but I do not get the impression that this is the general opinion. In my case, I think he has shown that he can make excess energy on occasion, but that does not seem to be a general opinion. Ed, I see what you mean and I agree with your impression; I should have said that almost nobody believes Andrea, because most people don't seem to understand what is going on. In my opinion is what Andrea has discovered to good to be true and therefore most people won't accept Andrea's findings, even when it bites them in their noses. However, I have seen there are sometimes those little gems that are indeed to good to be true and I think this is one of those. The issue here is not what causes the reaction, but whether the claims for a commercial product are justified. The Miley claim, which started this discussion, is based on a commercial generator of heat. The question was whether anyone should believe and support this claim. I still think that what causes the reaction is an important factor that is overlooked by almost everybody. And yes, I agree we should support Miley's claim; that's why I also voted for his claim. And yes, I think we need this type of commercial generator. It's sad that Andrea is not pushing his systems and knowledge of how the system is build-up more to the people. I think that if he isn't going to do this soon, someone else might beat him; and that's what he is afraid of, because he or someone else wants to see some money. I think Andrea could better sell his knowledge for a small fee to the people, which I think may result in higher revenues in the long run than his current scenario. Could it be that Andrea has advisers who are not open enough for this knowledge scenario and advise him to go for the large bucks, while he himself is in a zweispalt about this??? As the heat itself results in energy and a high frequency and therefore keeps the process self-sustaining as long as sufficient source-material is available. It would probably be much better for the ITER project to focus on the frequency of the plasma instead of the temperature. How do you propose the frequency be measured? It's the temperature that produces a useful result, so why ignore it? Yes, the temperature is needed to heat up for example water or generate electricity, but in my opinion it is not the driving force for the mechanism. Therefore people at the ITER project should focus more on the frequency of the plasma i.s.o. of gaining a high temperature as in the Sun. And on the current large scale, it seems to me this process is not self-sustaining, as you can not keep it sufficiently under control during a longer period. I.s.o. of building a large system I think they should downsize the system so they can control the process much better. As sometimes is said less is more. This is also in my opinion the reason why Andrea's reactor vessels seem to work. Kind regards, Rob Energy Ξ Communication
Re: [Vo]:Urgent: Until Feb9, can vote for Dr Miley 10kw LENR Thermal Electric Generator
Hi, Anyone any idea of the end result of the voting? Kind regards, Rob Energy Ξ Communication
Re: [Vo]:Near earth asteroid info
Hi, On 7-2-2013 22:19, Jed Rothwell wrote: I don't know why this is in the Business section. That does not surprise me at all, as it may have an incredible huge impact on the way (some of) the traders may react. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding
Hi, Thanks for the info, it can never be mentioned often enough :-) . Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding
Hi, On 8-2-2013 22:38, Edmund Storms wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his claims, which he has not done in many minds. I suggest George needs to do the same before we in the field give him our support to get the very small funds potentially available from the government. The reviewers will examine the claims critically. If they discover that the claims do not meet conventional standards but were nevertheless advocated by many people in the field, this will not reflect well on our objectivity. I disagree, I think Andrea already did prove his claims. The problem is only that almost nobody seems to understand what is going on. In my opinion it all has to do with the vibration with the right frequency of the Nickel granulate were the Hydrogen is flowing across. Possibly the research of Frank Znidarsic can enlighten us. Nobody was sofar able to look inside the vessel during operation (I think neither Andrea was able to see this), but could it no be true that a plasma is created due to the vibration? And when this happens the hydrogen protons are most likely fused with the Nickel resulting in Copper and a massive amount of energy is released and therefore the process is also partially self-sustaining. This also explains why Andrea had no other option than to downsize the first reactor vessels to the current modular smaller size, to keep it controllable. Otherwise you might get a reactor vessel that in the very long run could end up with temperatures as high as inside the Sun! And besides what about the equipment that Andrea had operational but didn't focus on during the presentations that generated the obscure frequencies? In principle this is in my opinion the same mechanism that causes hot fusion to take place. As the heat itself results in energy and a high frequency and therefore keeps the process self-sustaining as long as sufficient source-material is available. It would probably be much better for the ITER project to focus on the frequency of the plasma instead of the temperature. Kind regards, Rob Energy Ξ Communication
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Third-Party Paper : Good News / Bad News
Hi, On 5-2-2013 23:49, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com mailto:a...@well.com wrote: In Great Britain they say: my garden is smaller that England, but bigger than a stamp. OOOkay. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to what that might mean? Found a similar quote on this page (http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Asterix-in-Britain): Trivia * In French, Obelix remarks on the tweed worn by Asterix's Briton cousin, asking, Is it expensive? (c'est cher?); the Briton replies, My tailor is rich (mon tailleur est riche) --- an allusion to basic lessons in English, available in many European states. It has been said that My tailor is rich was the very first spoken phrase said in the first Assimil http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Assimil English without Pain (Anglais sans Peine) English learning vinyl record volume released circa 1960 http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/1960. * Later there's another gag with the same basic premise in reverse: when Asterix remarks that his cousin's boat is small, Anticlimax replies obscurely, It's smaller than the garden of my uncle, but larger than the pen of my aunt, a phrase used in English texts of the period when teaching French. It seems, that Andrea is actually saying something like: I really have no clue what those scientists who are performing the tests are thinking, so I can't comment on it at all. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Near miss - hopefully
Hi, On 3-2-2013 23:37, ChemE Stewart wrote: Incoming massive comets can also pull other gravitational bodies into the inner solar system along with them It seems to me you are looking for some kind of doomsday scenario and I don't think that's going to happen. Cheer up (Luke), you are focusing to much on the dark matter as some kind of evil force that will destroy everything. Even if a lot of dark matter will be surrounding us, there will always be sufficient light matter to compensate for. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Lattice Energy posting on recent Li-battery failures
Hi, On 24-1-2013 22:58, Jed Rothwell wrote: I guess it was Lattice Energy who wrote: The LENR theory should be easily testable by autopsies on some failed batteries, looking for evidence of transmutations, i.e., unusual isotopes or elements. This would not be an easy test. There would be only microscopic amounts of anomalous elements, and a burned battery is about as contaminated and filthy as anything can be. I could be wrong, but is this not fairly easy to be determined by comparing the contents of several clean and burned batteries with a Mass Spectrometer? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven
Hi, Thanks for the info (extracted the dutch original linked version) en beterschap gewenst. Kind regards, Rob On 24-1-2013 10:40, Teslaalset wrote: Unfortunately I was tackled by flu and could not visit, but here's some feedback: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nltl=enjs=nprev=_thl=nlie=UTF-8eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cursor.tue.nl%2Fnieuwsartikel%2Fartikel%2Fwarme-belangstelling-voor-koude-fusie%2Fact=url http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftranslate%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Ftranslate%3Fsl%3Dnl%26tl%3Den%26js%3Dn%26prev%3D_t%26hl%3Dnl%26ie%3DUTF-8%26eotf%3D1%26u%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww%2Ecursor%2Etue%2Enl%252Fnieuwsartikel%252Fartikel%252Fwarme-belangstelling-voor-koude-fusie%252F%26act%3Durlurlhash=-URP_t=tracking_disc and http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/reports-from-cold-fusion-meeting-in-eindhoven/ http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ee-catworld%2Ecom%2F2013%2F01%2Freports-from-cold-fusion-meeting-in-eindhoven%2Furlhash=mHzR_t=tracking_disc On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, On 15-1-2013 22:06, P.J van Noorden wrote: Hi Robbie, I registered late in the afternoon and got a welcome mail. It will be interesting to attend the colloquium..Are you also living in the Netherlands like me? Peter Just wondering if any (interesting) news is to be reported? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven
Hi, On 15-1-2013 22:06, P.J van Noorden wrote: Hi Robbie, I registered late in the afternoon and got a welcome mail. It will be interesting to attend the colloquium..Are you also living in the Netherlands like me? Peter Just wondering if any (interesting) news is to be reported? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Hi, On 22-1-2013 16:57, Terry Blanton wrote: Who could have predicted it would be Kurzweil and Google: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/510121/ray-kurzweil-plans-to-create-a-mind-at-google-and-have-it-serve-you/ ? Ok, I'm now just playing Hal's advocate: and who is going to give it a soul? Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
Hi, On 24-1-2013 0:56, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: And why stop at one? There should be tons of thetans Cruising around. ;-) And there are otherwise plenty of birds with Grease on their wings ;-) Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR
Hi, On 22-1-2013 20:16, Edmund Storms wrote: Of course Peter, this kind of reaction is expected. Patterson objected to the F-P patent for the same reason - GREED. These fights will become more common as the phenomenon gets closer to making money. Greed is a two edge sword. It gives incentive but it will also cause the eventual destruction of life as we know it. During the past, the negative effects were local. Now the effects are world-wide, with a place to hide no any longer available. Mankind is his own worst enemy. We all know this but now the evidence is accumulating and cannot be denied. Ed This exactly why this and associated patent(s) should be placed in the Open source domain, so each and everyone can benefit from this knowledge. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR
Dear Jed et al, On 22-1-2013 20:47, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: This exactly why this and associated patent(s) should be placed in the Open source domain, so each and everyone can benefit from this knowledge. All patents are open-source, by definition. They are made public. They have been since they were invented in the 1600s. That is the whole point of a patent. A patent has to teach a person skilled in the art how to replicate the invention. It has to make that knowledge fully public. If it fails to do this, and someone challenges the patent, it will be ruled invalid. - Jed I know and yes you are right, but I guess I wasn't clear enough what I meant. Let me try to rephrase my thoughts. What I mean, is that no-one can claim whatever ownership and therefore obtain money for the knowledge disclosed in the patent, as this knowledge is way to important for humanity to be prevented from to be applied in general use. Of course an inventor is to be linked to the patent(s), so this person can be seen as someone that has brought a (great) contribution for the field. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR
Hi, On 23-1-2013 0:16, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: Perhaps the motivation for the LENR researchers is more $ to continue the research... there is no $ coming from govt which is typically where academia gets research $. Thus, the researchers have to go to the private sector and private investors are absolutely NOT going to invest in a company that doesn't have patent protection, so the researchers are simply doing what the $ sources are telling them they have to do. This is were either crowd-(sourced)-funding or someone like a philanthropist (Bill Gates?) should come in handy. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ozone generators and O6
Hi, On 14-1-2013 21:57, Jones Beene wrote: Actually - he was an expert in ozone and I had never heard of O6 when it first came up ... so maybe he was of the opinion that to form the molecule, the best way would be via ions. Hmm, what to think of a O6 molecule with following form: O - O / \ O O \ / O - O Seems to me a strong molecule structure with all 8 electrons in the outer layer. Must say I've never heard of this, but from a chemistry pov it seems feasible to me. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ozone generators and O6
Hi, In case your mailreader distorted the result here is another try: O - O / \ O O \ / O - O Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ozone generators and O6
Hi, On 14-1-2013 23:12, Rob Dingemans wrote: Hmm, what to think of a O6 molecule with following form: O - O / \ OO \ / O - O Seems to me a strong molecule structure with all 8 electrons in the outer layer. Must say I've never heard of this, but from a chemistry pov it seems feasible to me. I guess it would be named cyclohexa-oxygen, just similar like S6 is called cyclohexa-sulfur. Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:Is this for real?
Hi, Don't know if this video was discussed here before. But came across this video. Big Eureka - The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g Be aware the video takes over an hour to see. Is this thing for real or not? Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:OT: was: A Proposal to stop all Off-Topic posts
Hi, On 18-12-2012 22:39, Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This thread should be labeled [OT] as it is off topic. A recursive function! A programmer's nightmare. Not really, more a fun challenge for a good software engineer. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?
Hi, Very interesting video, it more or less proves my principle that Energy is equivalent to Communication. Hence the OT is definitely NOT OT !!! On 9-12-2012 18:45, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Does the Collective have any thoughts on the matter? Or as the Borg used to say resistance is futile you will be assimilated ??? Happy X-mas, Rob
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell - about Jaro Jaro trolling
Hi, On 7-12-2012 0:43, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: http://nameberry.com/babyname/Jojo ...full name for pet. Sounds logical for someone who thinks he is god or it's delegate, as it is also of course an anagram for dog ;-) . Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell
Hi, On 4-12-2012 23:51, Jed Rothwell wrote: It is not enough. You would have to show that hundreds of professional climatologists are being threatened or harassed by these vested interests the way McGuire was. Is that happening? There is no need for them to be threatened at all. It is just a matter of what they are being told, taught and are believing into something like the way a religious person does and the workings of the human mind and clever use of psychology and media. For example see what happened during the 30s in Germany, which resulted in world war II. Most citizens were actually truely believing what they were told by their nazi leaders; there were only few people who were able and willing to understand what really was going on. Those few who openly opposed were quickly identified and exterminated. And nowadays this principle has still not changed. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell
Hi, On 5-12-2012 14:49, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Like others on this list, I filtered JoJo out of my Vortex-l account long ago. I have my limitations. Am not filtering anyone at all and sometimes see and read the postings of such a lost soul ;-) as Jojo with lots of amusement and then decide to ignore his demand to get continuous childish attention, as any good parent should do with undesired behaviour. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell
Hi, On 5-12-2012 15:27, Vorl Bek wrote: I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of insult? What's wrong with calling somebody a bible fanatic? It's just an opinion like any other and should not be treated as an insult. Isn't it also the bible that says turn the other cheek? Some people are taking things way much too personal, my advise please chill down and relax, it's not worth it. And as I said before stop demanding to get continuous childish attention. Any good parent would ignore this undesired behaviour anway. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell
Hi, On 5-12-2012 17:04, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The suppression problem arises easily ... On cold fusion ... That took more evidence. Well said, and therefore free speech and support for it is so important. If you see this (independent of your own political views) also as being important then please support the important work of Jed Rothwell and donate for the work he is doing via this link: http://www.infinite-energy.com/whoarewe/lenr_donate.html Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Unjustified and unjust attack
Dear Peter e.a., As a famous saying by Mahatma Gandhi goes: First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. It seems to me that we as Vort-collective are getting more close to the last step of winning the LENR-CANR battle. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Germans WW 11 - Iron from Carbon
Hi, On 16-11-2012 22:36, Rob Dingemans wrote: Personally I doubt that in those days this technology was available for them as it requires probably C(12) atoms to be transmuted into Fe(26) atoms. This should of course read as C(6) atoms to be transmuted into Fe(26) atoms. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign
Hi, On 15-11-2012 0:30, Daniel Rocha wrote: Can I pay in bullions? Dunno, but with Paypal you can at least (after exchange) pay with Euros. Regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine
Hi, As far what I understand from it, it does work with a kind of piston in the middle of the dish in the same kind of way how a cylinder in an engine moves back and forth by air pressure. Kind regards, Rob On 10-11-2012 18:07, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.saphonenergy.com/ Their video says they are more efficient than coventional than current wind turbines but I don't see how they work.
Re: [Vo]:Bladeless Turbine
Hi, On 10-11-2012 18:19, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, As far what I understand from it, it does work with a kind of piston in the middle of the dish in the same kind of way how a cylinder in an engine moves back and forth by air pressure. So it reciprocates? Looks like it and building up pressure inside it. Sounds like a hoax. Not necessarily, could well be possible. I wonder if a similar construction with a coil moving around a permanent magnet could work also, such like a loudspeaker but i.s.o. applying energy extracting energy it from it and be still energy efficient. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:SciAm blog: Genie in a Bottle: The Case Against Cold Fusion
Hi, Seen the contents (or better said the lack of it) of this article and the current comments shown, thy can not otherwise than to consider the Scientific American as a strictly biased magazine, which lacks a decent chief editor who should have performed a thorough review and hence this magazine should be neglected. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Ouellette un-erases Storms
Hi, Just a thought, what would happen if you would write about the same facts but than everything in the opposite sense? A kind of reverse psychology method. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
Hi, It seems to me that Wikipedia will meets it's own damburster. The wait is for someone to drop the bouncing balls in the lake of the wikidam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Wallis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._617_Squadron_RAF On 14-9-2012 22:16, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is why I say trying to reform Wikipedia is a waste of time. Regarding that analogy, of a dam starting to break, I may have mentioned this here before . . . _Spoiler Alert_ This clip from the movie Force 10 From Navarone shows how I hope things will work out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYur1sqnK4 B.t.w. Not a Spoiler to me; it's a classic movie, which people already should know by now. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
Hi, It seems to me that Wikipedia will meets it's own dambuster. The wait is for someone to drop the bouncing balls in the lake of the wikidam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Wallis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._617_Squadron_RAF On 14-9-2012 22:16, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is why I say trying to reform Wikipedia is a waste of time. Regarding that analogy, of a dam starting to break, I may have mentioned this here before . . . _Spoiler Alert_ This clip from the movie Force 10 From Navarone shows how I hope things will work out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYur1sqnK4 B.t.w. Not a Spoiler to me; it's a classic movie, which people already should know by now. Kind regards, Rob
[Vo]:OT nuclear physicist as dutch prime minister?
Hi, On 13-9-2012 12:23, Teslaalset wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl mailto:andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: On 09/12/2012 01:21 PM, Andre Blum wrote: Please, please refrain from discussing dutch politics when it has absolutely nothing to do with the subjects intended to be discussed in this mailing list. Kind regards, Rob
