Yeah whatever you might want to consider keeping your animals out of
plain sight should BO visit your neighborhood, because it's a given that his
appetite isn't limited to just Dog yummy!. Oh!, don't forget that BO's
IQ is so HI that it's literally off the charts (actually, it never
Budgerigars have tetrachromatic color vision and one named Puck had a
vocabulary of 1728 words.They obviously don't have the brain power or
incentive to develop science or civilization but they are sentient.
The difference between sentience and intelligence seems blurred.I have
long advocated
challenge.
Dave
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Budgerigars have tetrachromatic color vision and one named Puck had a
vocabulary
Dave wrote:/I would not expect a present day design to behave in/
/a manner that remotely resembles a human. Our brain appears to be a massively
parallel data processing environment while most computers process one
instruction at a time. We need to understand parallel systems far better/
The Atlantic sets the stage for the 'scary season' (the election, not
Halloween) with a piece on machine intelligence, echoing Bill Joy's classic
article
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/10/the-consequences-of-ma
chine-intelligence/264066/
No Joy here: Why the Future Doesn't
I agree with much of this article, except that I regard intelligent
machines as either a threat or an opportunity, depending on how we adapt
our society to them.
I quibble with one aspect of this discussion: the notion that computers
will exceed human intelligence at some specific time in
Yes.
Leaving aside nightmare scenarios like nanobot infestations and genetically
modified diseases and the rest, sticking strictly to the economic
consequences of computer and mechanical technologies: there's some evidence
we're seeing these effects right now, in the unemployment numbers. I came
To pass the Turing test the 'bot will have to perceive the world as a human:
http://www.eurasiareview.com/19102012-robots-that-perceive-the-world-as-humans/
Which is difficult to do with a 'bot mind:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yog6dUQE1qk2oafo1_500.gif
Terry - Fabulous dynamic image !
Fractal gears in motion, and with a ying-yang nuance ...
Which is difficult to do with a 'bot mind:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yog6dUQE1qk2oafo1_500.gif
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
To pass the Turing test the 'bot will have to perceive the world as a human:
I doubt a computer will be able to pass a no rules Turing test anytime in
the next ~100 years. That is, when the test allows the person to type in
any question or comment about
So, for all of you out there who have feelings or emotional attachment for
Appliances Power Tools, Suv, Car, Truck, Motor Cycle, Bike, Garden Tractor,
ATV, Computer, various Electronic Devices, and/or for that matter,
inanimate objects that have added comfort, satisfaction, confidence, or
From: Jed Rothwell
Whether these computers will be sentient or not is an
entirely different question. Whether they should be deliberately designed to
be sentient is both a practical question, and a moral one.
I think the problem is not whether computers should be
From Loren...
...
. Thanks suckers! PS.. If you believe there is an actual Democratic Party
or that BO cares about this Country
And on, and on it goes...
Ok, Loren, I get it that you're a little uneasy around Barack. .Why? Well,
maybe because for one thing, this illegal
On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This step of self-programming will allow them to evolve on their own, and
the time frame could be shorter than expected - without morals, without
empathy ... which is essentially what Bill Joy was implying
Very interesting
Your vision is quite common but I think it is incomplete and typical of
countries experiencing slow growth, slow productivity increase...
Read the next convergence
what you describe is the slow growth scenario.
In that case, the wealth concentrate slowly in few hands, that are
determined since
A capitalistic forms of economic exploitation and domination can be
reproduced endlessly thanks to 'innovation'.
Harry
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
Your vision is quite common but I think it is incomplete and typical of
countries experiencing slow
Yeah well, needless to say I obviously have some difficulty explaining the
difference between animals and human beings, and it's undoubtedly due to a
large percentage of my monkey DNA. Now, as for Halloween, and why humans
tend to wear a variety of frightening looking attire, and the more
the opposite.
without innovation, exploitation , whatever is the system, can be
maintained on a stable minority of dynasties owning an economic rent.
Non capitalist/liberal system do that naturally,whatever is the
growth/innovation, since they block innovation, or restrict it's benefit to
the
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I think the problem is not whether computers should be designed to be
sentient, so much as can they be restrained from it.
May-bee. I have read various articles and books about this. Some experts
believe that sentience is an emergent quality, others say
It could be that a super-intelligent computer would prefer to exist alone,
or as the most advanced entity, in order to preserve and impose its
superiority. I take the impression that the Skynet, from the terminator
movie, is the only truly powerful being of the machines whereas the other
robots
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
It could be that a super-intelligent computer would prefer to exist alone,
or as the most advanced entity, in order to preserve and impose its
superiority. I take the impression that the Skynet, from the terminator
with bots as they
progressed.
Dave
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It could be that a super-intelligent computer would prefer to exist alone
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
If for some reason robots start fighting robots, I think this advice would
be helpful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G3RoBHMu-o
I love this!
The version I just saw begin with a Romney advertisement, which I thought
was appropriate.
- Jed
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The Atlantic sets the stage for the 'scary season' (the election, not
Halloween) with a piece on machine intelligence, echoing Bill Joy's classic
article
I believe the sentience is an emergent property of biological intelligence.
I assume it is related to the instinct for self-preservation. It is easy to
preserve yourself if you see a clear distinction between you and the rest
of the environment, or you and the other members of your species. An
From Jed:
.
I do not see why a totally non-sentient supercomputer would
be impossible. Even if sentience is emergent, I expect it
would not be hard to prevent it by not including some set of
capabilities. The Internet as a whole has more connections
than a human brain, and far
It does not matter how much a economic system produces, those who have
enormous wealth will finds ways to exploit those who have little
wealth, unless the over arching political system recognizes and
practically honours individual *dignity*. Exploitation can happen even
in the admist of
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