Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote: He's shifty and does not inspire confidence. Oh, but he does. Several people have written to him offering him money. That clearly indicates he has their confidence. And even among those who don't publicly offer

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-15 Thread Michele Comitini
Joshua, What you say can be proved easily. Just offer some money to Rossi in different amounts, at different times and from different identities. See what happens, and *then* of course report here... mic 2011/11/15 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Charles

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua, What you say can be proved easily. Just offer some money to Rossi in different amounts, at different times and from different identities. See what happens, and *then* of course report here... Much

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-15 Thread Michele Comitini
Much simpler to read Krivit's latest comment on his latest post. It seems pretty clear Rossi's after someone's money. Anyway, I don't have the capital to do the experiment you propose, even if I wanted to. Everyone in civilized countries is after someone's money, don't you get paid for a

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Much simpler to read Krivit's latest comment on his latest post. It seems pretty clear Rossi's after someone's money. Anyway, I don't have the capital to do the experiment you propose, even if I wanted

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-15 Thread Mary Yugo
To prove the concept I think you do not have to give money you can privately show interest in giving money to support Rossi's endeavors. I think it would be difficult -- Rossi will be suspicious if he doesn't know you or has not heard of you. Jed noted that several scheduled demos including

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
jmp jmp crossection...@yahoo.com mailto:crossection...@yahoo.com wrote: First, the part about forget Rossi: I think Rossi has been an enormous time/talent sink with no benefit to the LENR field. Arguably, he's set the field back quite a lot. That is preposterous. He has made more

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Asking her to evaluate this would be like asking me to review a performance of the Metropolitan Opera. I do not know the first thing about music and I have never listened to the Metropolitan Opera. When the fat lady

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Peter Gluck
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: jmp jmp crossection...@yahoo.com wrote: First, the part about forget Rossi: I think Rossi has been an enormous time/talent sink with no benefit to the LENR field. Arguably, he's set the field back quite a lot.

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
All of the doubts are from the peanut gallery on the Internet, especially people such as Mary Yugo. She says she knows nothing about cold fusion, so obviously she cannot judge. Asking her to evaluate this would be like asking me to review a performance of the Metropolitan Opera. I do not know

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Re Mary Yugo, I am reading only what she tells about Rossi and the E-cat, not LENR or CF. Simple and completely correct. Proof of Rossi has nothing to do with LENR or CF. Thanks, Peter

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Re Mary Yugo, I am reading only what she tells about Rossi and the E-cat, not LENR or CF. Simple and completely correct. Proof of Rossi has nothing to do with LENR or CF. Rossi and Defkalion would like you to think so. Rossi's patent attorney, in the

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You seem to believe that Rossi owes you an explanation. He dislikes you intenslyas a member of the chattering class and will not be affected by your demands for proof. Rossi will cooperate with his cu stomers up to a

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: And even Jed Rothwell said the guy probably lies frequently and elaborately! I don't recall Rothwell saying that Rossi lies. T

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't recall Rothwell saying that Rossi lies. Because I never did say that. I said repeatedly that as far as I know, he always tells the truth about engineering technical details. Mind your, the list of his statements we compiled includes some

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
I suspect he practices misdirection ... We agree. I think his entire performance at the demos consists mostly of misdirection.

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: I suspect he practices misdirection ... We agree. I think his entire performance at the demos consists mostly of misdirection. Even if that were true, a 30 L vessel of water cannot remain at boiling temperature for 4 hours, so we can be sure the claims are true.

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jed: ... Many skeptics do not seem to understand this distinction. They look at the factors a college instructor would cite in grading an lab exercise: neatness, correct use of instruments, documentation, exposition, positioning of thermocouples, and other did-you-follow-the-textbook

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Even if that were true, a 30 L vessel of water cannot remain at boiling temperature for 4 hours, Why not? If it's perfectly insulated it can stay at boiling temperature indefinitely. It all depends on the rate that

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Charles Hope
On Nov 14, 2011, at 14:04, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: My working theory on why he behaves that way is that he's scamming. There are two problems with that. He's shifty and does not inspire confidence. He's not taking all the money he's being offered.

[Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-13 Thread jmp jmp
I'd like to offer a modest proposal: namely, that we all forget Rossi and focus on how to move the field of LENR forward, either to a definitive demonstration that it has potential we should pursue with greater resources, or to a recognition that there's no there there, and that we should look

[Vo]:A Modest Proposal

2009-01-14 Thread Taylor J. Smith
http://kelsocartography.com/blog/?tag=harpers Republished from Harper's, January 2009 issue. By Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz: ``Using conservative assumptions, we calculate that the bill for {George W.} Bush-era excess, the total new debt combined with the total new accrued

Re: [Vo]:A Modest Proposal

2009-01-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Paying interest on this debt as it continues to grow should be repugnant to all of us -- what a waste of our tax dollars. Why? A government should honor its obligations. In any case, large amounts of the debt are held by other countries, especially China. We cannot

Re: [Vo]:A Modest Proposal

2009-01-14 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: Taylor J. Smith wrote: Paying interest on this debt as it continues to grow should be repugnant to all of us -- what a waste of our tax dollars. Why? A government should honor its obligations. In any case, large amounts of the debt are held by other countries, especially China.

Re: [Vo]:A Modest Proposal

2009-01-14 Thread Jones Beene
Jack Smith writes http://kelsocartography.com/blog/?tag=harpers ...from Harper's, Jan 2009. Using conservative assumptions, we calculate that the bill for the Bush-era: the total new debt combined with the total new accrued obligations amounts to $10.35 trillion... If you reduce the US

Re: [Vo]:A Modest Proposal

2009-01-14 Thread Kyle Mcallister
. . . . . . This isn't aimed at any one person, but to all who are of the likeminded mentality which I am finding myself anathema to. Which one of you built the Georgia Guidestones? Or maybe some drunk from the Dime Box Saloon built them. If so, they're excusable as a funny prank. I don't have