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Note that after a big start, Miley project is being caught by competitors, and may be soon overtaken. I don't know if it will be useful, but sure soon it won't be at all. 2013/3/5 Alain Sepeda > http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 > > 10 days remaining! > > > LENR Di

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. D2 > From: mix...@bigpond.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 > days.. hurry up > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:26:48 +1100 > > In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:36:16 -0800: &g

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:36:16 -0800: Hi, [snip] >How do you know this? Because they contacted me by private email, and I suggested that they look at Keely's work. That's where the idea in the film, of using sound as the key to success, came from. >The film did no

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:01 AM, DJ Cravens wrote: > the CF film that is hard to find is Bullseye (with Michael Caine and Roger > Moore) Cool. You can own it in the Amazon cloud for ten bucks: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BI35BK/ref=atv_feed_catalog?tag=imdb-amazonvideo-20

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the CF film that is hard to find is Bullseye (with Michael Caine and Roger Moore) D2 > From: jone...@pacbell.net > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 > days.. hurry up > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:36:16 -0800 >

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How do you know this? The film did not get good reviews (like LENR) but still seems to have grossed over $60,000,000... warped priorities, it would seem. Had that sum gone into the technology, we might be seeing "life imitating art". We're definitely in the wrong business - if access to funds is a

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:48:28 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Speaking of staged drama, there is always the message of: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_Reaction_%28film%29 The script writer for this film is, or at least used to be, a lurker on Vortex. :) Regards, Robin va

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I wrote: > When Mel Miles did all of the above, exactly according to form, the Navy > responded by demoting him from Distinguished Fellow of the Institute to > stock room clerk. > Fritz Will also did everything by the book, and got a swift kick in the ass as a reward. When I met him years later

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Axil Axil wrote: > In the wisdom of your years, how would you advise a lucky researcher who > has discovered the foundations of the LENR process to avoid the pitfalls of > others in the past? > I recommend they do what good scientists have always done, and what people such as McKubre, Miles and S

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not really any "fabricating" the stuff (aspen kind) comes in mats and the United Nuclear is a pourable "grain". It work well. D2 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:12:15 -0600 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jabow...@gm

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our sites. (I.e. more fractional microns than a few nano) (yes, that piece of info was shared at the Navy Monterey meeting). People actually doing the experiments should know. D2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry u

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h ebay for aspen aerogel insulation > or the pourable kind from United Nuclear if you just want to have a hot > sample without the water heating. > > > D2 > > -- > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:50:52 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E start

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- From: DJ Cravens To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Mar 6, 2013 3:43 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up Incorrectassumption. I have notbeen too successful with Ni H gas systems. And thatnano Ni leaks through valves, chews up your pumps, clogs

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You may want to look at aerogel insulationSearch ebay for aspen aerogel insulation or the pourable kind from United Nuclear if you just want to have a hot sample without the water heating. D2 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:50:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for

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DJ Cravens wrote: If you restrict research in this area to only large well funded groups, > then there would be little left. > You misunderstand. My idea is to get funding for existing groups, before you accidentally kill yourselves. I suspect Ohmori killed himself by doing these experiments i

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If you restrict research in this area to only large well funded groups, then there would be little left. D2 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:58:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com DJ

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OK that quick guess arithmetic was interesting enough to motivate me to look into the real numbers: http://www.mrboxonline.com/8x6x7-styrofoam-coolers-p-6787.html 10 of those cost $55.50 They're 1.5in thick They're 8"x6"x7" inside They're 9.5"x7.5"x8.5" outside Surface area 2*(9.5*7.5+9.5*8.5+7.5

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reason to change tactics. Please quit being judgemental and assigning motives to me that are not my own. Dennis Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:54:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com D

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I KNOW that some old-fashion industry executive accept to speak on LENR... Provided it stays private. I think it is easier to have business with Cuba or Iran, than to invest in cold fusion. as I said earlier, LENR will get commercial... but it can be blocked in (still) rich countries, by technica

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I see no point to doing research and then not publishing it. It is like cooking a meal and not eating it, or building houses and then burning them down. Okay, I will grant that research is fun, but without the consummation of sharing your results it seems like ashes in the mouth. A waste of life. N

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DJ Cravens wrote: > And that nano Ni leaks through valves, chews up your pumps, clogs your > gauges, suspends in the air for days, and messes with your lungs. > (at one time they diagnosed me with pulmonary hypertension… not good) > And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why I keep saying people sh

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DJ Cravens wrote: For a while I was mistakenly given only a short time to live due to nano > powder complications. > Maybe next time it will not be a false alarm. All the more reason to get on with the work quickly. Why do all this work and then take it to the grave with you, the way Patterson a

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D2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:00:12 -0500 .. ... Can I assume that you have a nickel-hydrogen type arrangement? Dave

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new or even try something new. DennisDate: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:43:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com DJ Cravens wrote: Jed -interesting comment- As I have told you before I have a

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Quick arithmetic: 1m^2*.033W/(m*deltaK)*2deltaK/2in?W ([{(1 * [meter^2]) * (0.033 * watt)} / {meter * deltaK}] * [2 * deltaK]) / (2 * inch) ? watt = 1.2992126 W That's for styrofoam 2 inches thick and a cooler with total surface area of 1m^2 and a 2 degr

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James Bowery wrote: Hmm perhaps but one would think that if the water containers were > covered Styrofoam coolers, the temperature differences might accumulate > sufficiently to render the signal . . . At that point you are talking about an isoperibolic calorimeter. You might as well go all

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Hmm perhaps but one would think that if the water containers were covered Styrofoam coolers, the temperature differences might accumulate sufficiently to render the signal -- particularly given the distribution represented by the numerous control containers -- quite significant. Admittedly, I

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James Bowery wrote: > > A properly designed Seebeck is a lot more than that. >> >> > With an infinite COP all that's necessary is a room with a bunch of > similar pots of water, one of which has the infinite COP device in it. > With only one watt I do not think that would work well. Background c

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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > A properly designed Seebeck is a lot more than that. > > With an infinite COP all that's necessary is a room with a bunch of similar pots of water, one of which has the infinite COP device in it.

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DJ Cravens wrote: > Jed -interesting comment- As I have told you before I have a seebeck that > is roughly 8 times as sensitive (based on V/watts) as Ed's and was made for > a series of NRL experiments. > That would be okay. But I think people might appreciate an instrument constructed and conf

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Because if it became known he had an agreement with a large, well know company (like GE) it would be strong confirmation that the E-Cat worked. This would highly stimulate competition. It could all be fraud, but I don't think so. Adrian Ashfield On 3/6/2013 1:44 PM, Jack Cole wrote: I don'

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. You may wish to know that a seebeck is nothing but a bunch of thermoelectric chips and a volt meter (of no real load). Having stimulation or not depends on what you what to study. Dennis Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 14:10:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for f

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DJ Cravens wrote: > The current system I am working off of is at 0.25 to 1 W with no input. > This is with about 25 grams > of sample (density about 3 gm/ml - metal in C). This is in a heavy metal > sphere with gas pressure > generated in situ and sealed. The temperature is near room temp when n

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were not well controlled as far as is known. Dave -Original Message- From: DJ Cravens To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:47 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up CMNS started (or restarted) with the intent of experimental

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nal Message- From: DJ Cravens To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:07 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up The current system I am working off of is at 0.25 to 1 W with no input. This iswith about 25 grams of sample(density a

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Ed, I sure looks like Rossi has produced real power.Not clear why you think he is bad at business.He has apparently allied himself with a large US company capable of producing "thousands of reactors per day" yet not causing sufficient excitement to stimulate much competition.We just have to w

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I don't understand why a "partner" would be kept with a secret identity. Anyone can say, "I have a large US partner." I'm not saying he doesn't have one, I'm just saying it is curious. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Ed, > > I sure looks like Rossi has produced real powe

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ories with tensors in General Rel.- my true love- OT ). Dennis Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:19:09 +0200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com The big question is WHY is this effect so difficu

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20 years is not possible. It will be in 2 years if industrialist get faster than naysayers. It will be 5 years in China at most (if not tomorrow). And if it gets back into the drawer, I will make it in 10 years in Indonesia. It cannot be 20 years, the devil is out of the box. Of course science, an

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swer. Do you > have an answer? > > Ed > > > Dennis > > ** ** > > > ---------- > CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com > From: stor...@ix.netcom.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for

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cult to cause and WHY is the amount so small? This question requires a theory to answer. Do you have an answer? Ed Dennis CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry

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onably large system. (however, additives seem to help) Dennis CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:13:48 -0700 Dennis, the CMNS group is

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> From: DJ Cravens > To: vortex-l > Sent: Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:07 am > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 > days.. hurry up > > > > The current system I am working off of is at 0.25 to 1 W with no input. > This is with about 25 g

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. Dave -Original Message- From: DJ Cravens To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:07 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up The current system I am working off of is at 0.25 to 1 W with no input. This iswith about 25 grams of

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er at ICCF for specifics. (But it will likely be ignored like my high temp metal/gas was at DC). Dennis Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 10:00:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com ... I

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[Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com ... I prefer to try to take only a step of a factor of 10 or so with the LENR part . . .Where would that bring you in terms of power, temperature and power density? - Jed

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Chris, Rossi has produced real power using LENR. The only question is whether he can use this to make a commercial product that is reliable and meets a commercial need. Rossi is not a fake because the energy is real. Unfortunately, he is very poor at public relations and has very little bu

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Edmund Storms wrote: > I doubt many people on this list have written a proposal to get funding > from a US government agency or evaluated such proposals, but I have. > I suppose George Miley has, too. However, I think you make good points here. Could it be that his proposal is sounder than it

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Isn't it an amazing thing - being forced to judge irrationality? It sounds like an oxymoron or paradox. Columbus discovered the "West Indies" and history lurched forward, regardless of inaccuracy. I see Rossi and the attention he's brought to the subject the same way. Fake in one way, real in

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r be successful if he does. > However, > I am confident that he will learn from the attempt itself. To ask for any > more at this time is not realistic. > > > -------------- > From: alain.sep...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:15:37 +0100 > Su

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re if George will get his grant or be successful if he does. However, I am confident that he will learn from the attempt itself. To ask for any more at this time is not realistic. From: alain.sep...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:15:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project rel

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Let me add a correction to this this thread. I recall now that Arata used a thermoelectric chip and small motor used to focus a camera lens. That is bigger than an analog wristwatch motor. Still, it was not a good demonstration because it takes such a small amount of power. That leaves room for err

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er, > I am confident that he will learn from the attempt itself. To ask for any > more at this time is not realistic. > > > -- > From: alain.sep...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:15:37 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup pr

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DJ Cravens wrote: > Many think you can take a great leap from a small experiment to some grand > system. > Yes. That is a bad idea. This is very important point! > (Rossi has tried that but I am afraid it will not end well for him.) > Apparently he tried and succeeded. As far as anyone can

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Alain Sepeda wrote: > that is how delusion wins. note that initially it is a rational opinion, > but with time it became a delusion because people are too much committed in > an error . . . > Delusion does not always win. Not everyone goes along with the DoE, *Nature*magazine, Wikipedia and oth

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I am confident that he will learn from the attempt itself. To ask for any more at this time is not realistic. From: alain.sep...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 12:15:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up To: vortex-l@eskimo.c

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Jed is right, there is no committee that decide of truths. Just network of interest where committee and leaders are super-nodes, because they can drown the other in pits of stupidity without the other having any chance to survive... so better to follow happily and die, rather than oppose and die. t

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a.ashfield wrote: Cnsider DoE's response. Their official policy is not to support LENR. > > My point is that we do not need them. If someone would do a convincing demo we would get plenty of money from private sources. > I think you underestimate the group think of physicists. > > Even if 99.9

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Jed wrote. /The "scientific establishment" is an abstraction. It is not a real body. There is no single group constituting that establishment that meets in a building somewhere, like a Congress, and reaches unanimous conclusions. Even if a majority of scientists remain unconvinced by a good demon

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I understand well the skepticism of many on Miley. As far as I know Miley have no validated reactor. He has a rational project, which can be written on the back of a Post-it. The image is an artistic vision, which I hope is not the final engineering result. However I deeply disagree with the cogni

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a.ashfield wrote: > Because the scientific establishment is so certain LENR doesn’t work, it > doesn’t matter what tests are run by anybody or academic group. It will > always be instrument error or “claimed to be” or the error du jour. > The "scientific establishment" is an abstraction. It i

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The wiki article on cold fusion shows why the science establishment will not accept any experiment.It reads: /"In January 2011 inventor Andrea Rossi together with researcher Sergio Focardi

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DJ Cravens wrote: > JedA self running machine has to incorporate some design elements that > make it > > obvious the thing is not fake. > OK, you are in the proof mode again.. > OK what are your *specific *requirements? > I started a new thread to untangle the confusion: "You need an el

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Proof: Use a machine with a mass, M, to raise the temperature of a body of water, L, from a starting temperature of C1 to C2, in time T, using P for input power (batteries or measured electric power.) Any values that surpass known chemical means will be satisfactory. Any LENR system that can't hea

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JedA self running machine has to incorporate some design elements that make it obvious the thing is not fake. OK, you are in the proof mode again..OK what are your specific requirements?What elements do you hope to see? Dennis

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I just posted on my Free Energy Truth Facebook page.  We have over 19,000 members, so should get a vote or two ;-) Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: Ruby <r...@hush.com> Date: Wed, March 06, 201

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I just think that Dennis could get a lot of attention if the media caught on to a vehicle running around a track for a day, then a week, then a month . . . That little Bunny has been a great ad for batteries. It has survived for . . . how many years? It is now a icon. Go, Dennis!

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Jones Beene wrote: > > I agree 100% Terry….the best way -by far- to convince the majority of > skeptics is a self-running machine. > > ** ** > > Maybe the only way. There are tons of calorimetry data already at the watt > and subwatt level. We need some drama at this stage. A self-runner s

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But this is not a demonstrated device. It is a drawing of what Miley would like to see work. I could provide a drawing also, but where would I get the fuel? The fuel is the problem. Once a fuel that makes a lot of heat for long periods is available, the engineering design will follow. This

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I agree 100% Terry..the best way -by far- to convince the majority of skeptics is a self-running machine. Maybe the only way. There are tons of calorimetry data already at the watt and subwatt level. We need some drama at this stage. A self-runner should be high on the list. Speaking of

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OK, it's another chance to speak on April 4 - at MIT! On 3/5/13 3:28 PM, Ruby wrote: I will post this up on Cold Fusion Now. But can anyone say what we are voting for? is it for a chance to speak? funding? The website does not explain much... I would like to give some more info than j

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DJ Cravens wrote: > so are you saying that small self running devices are not useful as > "proof"? > It is a little complicated. The one that Arata made was too small. It did not impress me or the others who saw it. We could even imagine local temperature differences in the room producing that

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DJ Cravens wrote: > > I personally don’t think that it all needs to be about proof or > commercialization. > Well, it does if you want funding. Not if you are doing it for fun. > After 24 years and many papers, I don’t think that “proof” is needed any > longer. Proof is already there for those

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I will post this up on Cold Fusion Now. But can anyone say what we are voting for? is it for a chance to speak? funding? The website does not explain much... I would like to give some more info than just please vote. Ruby On 3/5/13 11:04 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: http://futureenergy.ul

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so are you saying that small self running devices are not useful as "proof"? This seems at odds with what you told me. DennisDate: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:13:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To

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I wrote: > Assuming Rossi's gadgets are real, just having one the size of a shoebox > producing a kilowatt or so for week would be all the proof you need. Make > it a hot water heater. The simplest method of HVAC calorimetry would be > fine. > I guess what I am saying here is that a calorimeter

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supportive and tolerant and let him travel it in peace. DennisDate: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:36:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Edmund Storms wrote: I'm complaining because any u

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Terry Blanton wrote: > > Wait a minute. Aren't you the guy that keeps saying the best proof is a > self running machine? Closed loop? > Oh yeah. Sure, if you can pull that off on a reasonably large scale. But a small toy-like device would not be convincing because a battery can be hidden in it

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > If you can prove the cold fusion device produces heat, you best do that by > the simplest means, which is calorimetry. > > Wait a minute. Aren't you the guy that keeps saying the best proof is a self running machine? Closed loop?

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

Edmund Storms wrote: I'm complaining because any use of LENR will have to take much more into > account than this very simplified designed describes. What value does this > design have? It is a obvious engineering solution to removing heat from a > source. It does not solve the basic problem tha

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

I'm complaining because any use of LENR will have to take much more into account than this very simplified designed describes. What value does this design have? It is a obvious engineering solution to removing heat from a source. It does not solve the basic problem that prevents LENR from

RE: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

From: Edmund Storms * [snip] motor that drives a fan. No provision is made for control of temperature . Wait a minute. Why doesn't the airflow from the fan control the temperature by removing heat from the fins which are themselves heated by the TEG ? Are you complaining that h

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

Forgive me, but this idea has no value. The design proposes to use a slug of powder to create a high temperature that is converted to electric power that drives a motor that drives a fan. No provision is made for control of temperature, stimulation of the LENR reaction, or efficient transfe

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

If he does not have the technology, he can license it, the value added is the CHP configuration. The worst risk is that it works. 2013/3/5 James Bowery > Why? > > I have highly competent, multigenerational engineering contacts at the > University of Illinois at C/U. Can they get a demonstratio

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

Why? I have highly competent, multigenerational engineering contacts at the University of Illinois at C/U. Can they get a demonstration without being drawn into a waste of time? On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/8