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No, nothing about that. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the clarification Frank. Did the tester indicate to you privately the reason for the delay, even if it is something they don't want to say in public? Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:45 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sorry, I just found this thread -- I didn't realize there was such controversy going on. The term 'polarized opinions' was in reference to people on the outside -- not among the testers. Frank On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:26 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: It seems there are polarized opinions on the meaning of 'polarized opinions'. From the standpoint of an optimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the outside world, but from the standpoint of a pessimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the testers. Someone could ask Frank Acland to clarify the meaning. Harry On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, you and I picked up on the most important phrase that others seems to have missed - Polarized Opinions. This by itself has got to refer to opinions of the testers, not the outside world. For why would the polarized opinions of the outside world suddenly make a difference in the release of the TIP2 report? The outside world opinion has always been polarized since the beginning, why make a difference now? especially in the context of the TIP2 release date? Jojo - Original Message - *From:* David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, I hope you are wrong about your conclusion. It does concern me by the expression of Polarized opinions. Best case is for them to be referring to how the device operates instead of how well it works. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com
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Can you tell us exactly what he said, minus your interpretation? Jojo - Original Message - From: Frank Acland To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers No, nothing about that. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the clarification Frank. Did the tester indicate to you privately the reason for the delay, even if it is something they don't want to say in public? Jojo - Original Message - From: Frank Acland To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sorry, I just found this thread -- I didn't realize there was such controversy going on. The term 'polarized opinions' was in reference to people on the outside -- not among the testers. Frank On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:26 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: It seems there are polarized opinions on the meaning of 'polarized opinions'. From the standpoint of an optimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the outside world, but from the standpoint of a pessimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the testers. Someone could ask Frank Acland to clarify the meaning. Harry On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, you and I picked up on the most important phrase that others seems to have missed - Polarized Opinions. This by itself has got to refer to opinions of the testers, not the outside world. For why would the polarized opinions of the outside world suddenly make a difference in the release of the TIP2 report? The outside world opinion has always been polarized since the beginning, why make a difference now? especially in the context of the TIP2 release date? Jojo - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, I hope you are wrong about your conclusion. It does concern me by the expression of Polarized opinions. Best case is for them to be referring to how the device operates instead of how well it works. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World
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http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. This is bad news for humanity, but VERY VERY GOOD NEWS for me. Of course, I am willing to admit that I could be wrong. Jojo
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You Future of humankind. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
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Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
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Jojo, you should repent before ʿĪsā: ʿĪsā tells, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-24.htm “Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither. The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Job%201%3A21 - See more at: http://omidsafi.religionnews.com/2013/11/09/prosperity/#sthash.wLRDj9yD.dpuf Do not celebrate your rich, give away what you have, if you are a Christian. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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The scientist don't agree on what to write. some want to write the reality some want to write the reality one reality is the undeniable experimental result, the other is the infallible theory. as said here, it is easy to imagine the testers have seen it work, and anybody who did not see it working is sure it cannot work and imagine improbable conspiracy. don't forget that beside the testers who cannot reasonably disagree (if one was disagreeing he would ask for a new experiment, and others would agree), any foreigner , reviewer, boss, dean of academy, editor, would simply asy IT IS IMPOSSIBLE I REFUSE TO ALLOW THAT BE PUBLISHED. it is old story. if you see cold fusion history as written by Mallove or Beaudette, finally the conviction was absolute it was erroneous, caused by artifacts, yet there is no theory that survived any inspection nor is defended. the stirring problem is no more supported by lewis. the recombination hypothesis, proposed moderately after all critics failed, is no more supported. gary taubes is refuted by experiments done by ed Storms and by all known laws of diffusion, plus by common sense and other replications. the synchronicity theory of taubes is refuted statistically, plus he hide some case where his theory was wrong... taubes is not only wrong but a fraudster as he accuse others, who did cherry picking. Shanahan CCS was refused for publication because nobody dare to support such heresy (if one know well the FP cell with dewar and mirror treatment, CCS explaining burst of 50% are absurd, not even considering flow calorimetry, tritium) there is no need of the least facts to deny reality when you have theory and consensus on your side. it can last forever until industrialists push you out of your seat. because it is a question of seat, not of reality. 2014-08-20 17:28 GMT+02:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
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I am not rich, but I will soon be. Richer beyond my wildest expectations. It was God who gave me the knowledge how to build the wave-powered pumps at a very low cost. There is no doubt the knowledge and skill came from God to do this. And I will give it all back to build thousands of Churches and a few dozen Bible colleges. To God be the Glory!!! Jojo PS: Who is ʿĪsā:? - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, you should repent before ʿĪsā: ʿĪsā tells, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-24.htm “Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither. The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Job%201%3A21 - See more at: http://omidsafi.religionnews.com/2013/11/09/prosperity/#sthash.wLRDj9yD.dpuf Do not celebrate your rich, give away what you have, if you are a Christian. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Obviously Jesus. But please, do not confuse Him with Mammon. 2014-08-20 14:28 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Who is ʿĪsā:? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-24.htm -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. Jojo PS. What possesses you to call Jesus Isa? - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-24.htm -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Those people were not Christians. 2014-08-20 14:51 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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They were believers in the true God just like Christians today. But if you want to be picky and unreasonable about it, here are a few examples of rich Christians. 1. Joseph of Arithmatea was rich. He owned his own private tomb hewn from a rock. A very expensive piece of exclusive real estate at that time. 2. Barnabas owned land worth enough to feed the whole Jerusalem church. The church at that time was at least 5000 men strong. This would be a membership of over 20,000 if you include women and children. 3. Lydia was a seller of purple. Purple was the clothing for kings and royals. She was rich enough to be associated with kings and royals. 4. Philemon was rich. He had many servants and a house with guest room for Paul. At that time, a family normally lived in a house with one room. The living room was the kitchen, the dinning room, the bedroom. Philemon has a hosue with multiple rooms and he maintained many servants. He was rich. 5. Luke was a medical doctor. A very expensive and rare vocation at that time, which means his family must have been rich enough to send him everywhere to learn medicine. They didn't have centralized medical colleges, if you want to be a doctor, you have to travel everywhere and learn from many people and places. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Those people were not Christians. 2014-08-20 14:51 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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If they were Christians, they left all behind after convertion: Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-21.htm 2014-08-20 15:13 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: They were believers in the true God just like Christians today. But if you want to be picky and unreasonable about it, here are a few examples of rich Christians. 1. Joseph of Arithmatea was rich. He owned his own private tomb hewn from a rock. A very expensive piece of exclusive real estate at that time. 2. Barnabas owned land worth enough to feed the whole Jerusalem church. The church at that time was at least 5000 men strong. This would be a membership of over 20,000 if you include women and children. 3. Lydia was a seller of purple. Purple was the clothing for kings and royals. She was rich enough to be associated with kings and royals. 4. Philemon was rich. He had many servants and a house with guest room for Paul. At that time, a family normally lived in a house with one room. The living room was the kitchen, the dinning room, the bedroom. Philemon has a hosue with multiple rooms and he maintained many servants. He was rich. 5. Luke was a medical doctor. A very expensive and rare vocation at that time, which means his family must have been rich enough to send him everywhere to learn medicine. They didn't have centralized medical colleges, if you want to be a doctor, you have to travel everywhere and learn from many people and places. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com *To:* John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Those people were not Christians. 2014-08-20 14:51 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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That is a misconception. God does not require every Christian to sell all they have and give to the poor. This command was for a specific person who was rich and his riches was hindering him from serving God. For some Christians, riches do not hinder them. It's simply a question of priority; not mutual exclusivity. If you want to be contentious about this; I only ask that you study the life of Lydia and Philemon. Did they sell all they had after their conversion? Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers If they were Christians, they left all behind after convertion: Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-21.htm 2014-08-20 15:13 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: They were believers in the true God just like Christians today. But if you want to be picky and unreasonable about it, here are a few examples of rich Christians. 1. Joseph of Arithmatea was rich. He owned his own private tomb hewn from a rock. A very expensive piece of exclusive real estate at that time. 2. Barnabas owned land worth enough to feed the whole Jerusalem church. The church at that time was at least 5000 men strong. This would be a membership of over 20,000 if you include women and children. 3. Lydia was a seller of purple. Purple was the clothing for kings and royals. She was rich enough to be associated with kings and royals. 4. Philemon was rich. He had many servants and a house with guest room for Paul. At that time, a family normally lived in a house with one room. The living room was the kitchen, the dinning room, the bedroom. Philemon has a hosue with multiple rooms and he maintained many servants. He was rich. 5. Luke was a medical doctor. A very expensive and rare vocation at that time, which means his family must have been rich enough to send him everywhere to learn medicine. They didn't have centralized medical colleges, if you want to be a doctor, you have to travel everywhere and learn from many people and places. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Those people were not Christians. 2014-08-20 14:51 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Jojo and Daniel, Take the religious crap offline. It doesn't belong here. To remain on topic, Defkalion's web site has been suspended. http://defkalion-energy.com Doesn't make me feel very confident that a LENR device is forthcoming. - Brad On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: That is a misconception. God does not require every Christian to sell all they have and give to the poor. This command was for a specific person who was rich and his riches was hindering him from serving God. For some Christians, riches do not hinder them. It's simply a question of priority; not mutual exclusivity. If you want to be contentious about this; I only ask that you study the life of Lydia and Philemon. Did they sell all they had after their conversion? Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers If they were Christians, they left all behind after convertion: Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-21.htm 2014-08-20 15:13 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: They were believers in the true God just like Christians today. But if you want to be picky and unreasonable about it, here are a few examples of rich Christians. 1. Joseph of Arithmatea was rich. He owned his own private tomb hewn from a rock. A very expensive piece of exclusive real estate at that time. 2. Barnabas owned land worth enough to feed the whole Jerusalem church. The church at that time was at least 5000 men strong. This would be a membership of over 20,000 if you include women and children. 3. Lydia was a seller of purple. Purple was the clothing for kings and royals. She was rich enough to be associated with kings and royals. 4. Philemon was rich. He had many servants and a house with guest room for Paul. At that time, a family normally lived in a house with one room. The living room was the kitchen, the dinning room, the bedroom. Philemon has a hosue with multiple rooms and he maintained many servants. He was rich. 5. Luke was a medical doctor. A very expensive and rare vocation at that time, which means his family must have been rich enough to send him everywhere to learn medicine. They didn't have centralized medical colleges, if you want to be a doctor, you have to travel everywhere and learn from many people and places. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Those people were not Christians. 2014-08-20 14:51 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Who appointed you judge and jury in this forum? I didn't get that memo. LOL... Jojo - Original Message - From: Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo and Daniel, Take the religious crap offline. It doesn't belong here. To remain on topic, Defkalion's web site has been suspended. http://defkalion-energy.com Doesn't make me feel very confident that a LENR device is forthcoming. - Brad On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: That is a misconception. God does not require every Christian to sell all they have and give to the poor. This command was for a specific person who was rich and his riches was hindering him from serving God. For some Christians, riches do not hinder them. It's simply a question of priority; not mutual exclusivity. If you want to be contentious about this; I only ask that you study the life of Lydia and Philemon. Did they sell all they had after their conversion? Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers If they were Christians, they left all behind after convertion: Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-21.htm 2014-08-20 15:13 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: They were believers in the true God just like Christians today. But if you want to be picky and unreasonable about it, here are a few examples of rich Christians. 1. Joseph of Arithmatea was rich. He owned his own private tomb hewn from a rock. A very expensive piece of exclusive real estate at that time. 2. Barnabas owned land worth enough to feed the whole Jerusalem church. The church at that time was at least 5000 men strong. This would be a membership of over 20,000 if you include women and children. 3. Lydia was a seller of purple. Purple was the clothing for kings and royals. She was rich enough to be associated with kings and royals. 4. Philemon was rich. He had many servants and a house with guest room for Paul. At that time, a family normally lived in a house with one room. The living room was the kitchen, the dinning room, the bedroom. Philemon has a hosue with multiple rooms and he maintained many servants. He was rich. 5. Luke was a medical doctor. A very expensive and rare vocation at that time, which means his family must have been rich enough to send him everywhere to learn medicine. They didn't have centralized medical colleges, if you want to be a doctor, you have to travel everywhere and learn from many people and places. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Those people were not Christians. 2014-08-20 14:51 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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*If Rossi had nothing to do with the test, then who is the person executing the scam, and for what reason? This looks like a battle between the believers and the non-believers. Do the believers feel strongly enough to violate their scientific ethos, and compromise their integrity. What happened to the objective experimental findings?* *For the non-believers, it might be that the publication of the truth will damage their career and reputations just by putting their names on the report.* On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: The scientist don't agree on what to write. some want to write the reality some want to write the reality one reality is the undeniable experimental result, the other is the infallible theory. as said here, it is easy to imagine the testers have seen it work, and anybody who did not see it working is sure it cannot work and imagine improbable conspiracy. don't forget that beside the testers who cannot reasonably disagree (if one was disagreeing he would ask for a new experiment, and others would agree), any foreigner , reviewer, boss, dean of academy, editor, would simply asy IT IS IMPOSSIBLE I REFUSE TO ALLOW THAT BE PUBLISHED. it is old story. if you see cold fusion history as written by Mallove or Beaudette, finally the conviction was absolute it was erroneous, caused by artifacts, yet there is no theory that survived any inspection nor is defended. the stirring problem is no more supported by lewis. the recombination hypothesis, proposed moderately after all critics failed, is no more supported. gary taubes is refuted by experiments done by ed Storms and by all known laws of diffusion, plus by common sense and other replications. the synchronicity theory of taubes is refuted statistically, plus he hide some case where his theory was wrong... taubes is not only wrong but a fraudster as he accuse others, who did cherry picking. Shanahan CCS was refused for publication because nobody dare to support such heresy (if one know well the FP cell with dewar and mirror treatment, CCS explaining burst of 50% are absurd, not even considering flow calorimetry, tritium) there is no need of the least facts to deny reality when you have theory and consensus on your side. it can last forever until industrialists push you out of your seat. because it is a question of seat, not of reality. 2014-08-20 17:28 GMT+02:00 Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com: Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
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Alain, It doesn't sound like good news to me. I don't see how they can disagree much about the experimental results. I didn't think they were supposed to pontificate about how it (LENR) worked. If they do, of course there will be disagreement. The story was they were provided with three samples and only used one for the whole test. If it didn't work, or even didn't work well, one would think they would try another of the samples. I also can't figure Rossi keeping on about how he doesn't know if the results will be negative. Surely, if anyone knows, he must.
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Jojo, I hope you are wrong about your conclusion. It does concern me by the expression of Polarized opinions. Best case is for them to be referring to how the device operates instead of how well it works. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
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Jojo, the people on your list are not Christians if I recall correctly. They were Jewish...right? Not sure that it really makes that much difference about this particular subject. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. Jojo PS. What possesses you to call Jesus Isa? - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-24.htm -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Rossi should know well whether or not his device works and I suspect that his continuous pointing out that the results could be positive or negative is based upon his desire to appear neutral toward the scientific measurements. Of course there is always the chance that those performing the tests are not able to obtain completely unambiguous results. The device might not be producing the level of COP that we would like to see delivered which again could leave the testers confused. I suppose that we will just have to remain patient until the report is produced. Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Alain, It doesn't sound like good news to me. I don't see how they can disagree much about the experimental results. I didn't think they were supposed to pontificate about how it (LENR) worked. If they do, of course there will be disagreement. The story was they were provided with three samples and only used one for the whole test. If it didn't work, or even didn't work well, one would think they would try another of the samples. I also can't figure Rossi keeping on about how he doesn't know if the results will be negative. Surely, if anyone knows, he must.
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They don't disagree on the experimental result but on the reality. some think that cold fusion is impossible, so experimental result are bad. point. this is the Huizenga Doctrine. the history of cold fusion make it clear that NO EVIDENCE IS ACCEPTABLE! when you have 153 peer reviewed papers, measurement above 50 sigma, thousands time the background for tritium, no existing critica paper that critical review (I don't count Nature and Science review as meaningful, they are true deniers), when the opponents are caught defrauding, cherry picking, doing bad calorimetry and are not vilified, there is no science... to be clear waiting for such people to admit reality is like waiting for the pope to admit Jesus did not resurrect. they will NEVER NEVER NEVER admit reality. forget what people told about scientists, it is fairy tales for students. It is a very human job, that is conducted by stubborn people who desperately believe in their ideas... some have the capacity to admit errors because they are stubborn on others details, like on experimental protocol... Kuhn explains well the power of sticking to a paradigm as the way to explore it up to the limits. I don't think the comment reported by Franck is about peer reviewers opposing the paper. I think that people arround the papers, who did not read it thoroughly with a participant beside their shoulder, with some checking done by themselves (probably they re tested), are simply concluding that the test is bad because it is positive, following the Huizenga Doctrine. the Taubes Doctrine is that anything proving LENR that is not covered by Huizenga Doctrine (cannot be an error), is a fraud, and that thus no evidence is required, and defrauding the evidence is just science vulgarization. anyway who cares, businessmen are ready 2014-08-20 21:22 GMT+02:00 a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net: Alain, It doesn't sound like good news to me. I don't see how they can disagree much about the experimental results. I didn't think they were supposed to pontificate about how it (LENR) worked. If they do, of course there will be disagreement. The story was they were provided with three samples and only used one for the whole test. If it didn't work, or even didn't work well, one would think they would try another of the samples. I also can't figure Rossi keeping on about how he doesn't know if the results will be negative. Surely, if anyone knows, he must.
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Please refer to my answer to this challenge in my reply to Daniel. Jojo - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, the people on your list are not Christians if I recall correctly. They were Jewish...right? Not sure that it really makes that much difference about this particular subject. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers You seem to be implying that one can not be both a Christian and Rich. If so, I can assure you that is not the case. Here are a few examples for you: 1. Joseph was a believer and was the 2nd in command in Egypt. He was rich in power, money and Glory 2. Abraham was very rich with thousands upon thousands of sheep and camels, and a household with 400 able-bodied fighting men. This guy had his own private army bigger than the army of many city states at that time. His men was able to defeat 4 kings and their armies. If he had 400 fighting men, the size of his household must be between 3000-5000 people. That is rich. 3. Job was the greatest man in the east. Job was from the area of Ur. The region we know as the fertile crescent - Shinar or Babylon - the cradle of civilization. So, Job was the richest man in the world at that time. When God was done blessing him, he was twice as rich. 4. Solomon had brass that could not be counted. Enough gold and silver to overlay all the surfaces of the large building - the temple he built. The guy was richer than anyone alive today. Jojo PS. What possesses you to call Jesus Isa? - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-24.htm -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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Dave, you and I picked up on the most important phrase that others seems to have missed - Polarized Opinions. This by itself has got to refer to opinions of the testers, not the outside world. For why would the polarized opinions of the outside world suddenly make a difference in the release of the TIP2 report? The outside world opinion has always been polarized since the beginning, why make a difference now? especially in the context of the TIP2 release date? Jojo - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, I hope you are wrong about your conclusion. It does concern me by the expression of Polarized opinions. Best case is for them to be referring to how the device operates instead of how well it works. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
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It seems there are polarized opinions on the meaning of 'polarized opinions'. From the standpoint of an optimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the outside world, but from the standpoint of a pessimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the testers. Someone could ask Frank Acland to clarify the meaning. Harry On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, you and I picked up on the most important phrase that others seems to have missed - Polarized Opinions. This by itself has got to refer to opinions of the testers, not the outside world. For why would the polarized opinions of the outside world suddenly make a difference in the release of the TIP2 report? The outside world opinion has always been polarized since the beginning, why make a difference now? especially in the context of the TIP2 release date? Jojo - Original Message - *From:* David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, I hope you are wrong about your conclusion. It does concern me by the expression of Polarized opinions. Best case is for them to be referring to how the device operates instead of how well it works. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out.
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Sorry, I just found this thread -- I didn't realize there was such controversy going on. The term 'polarized opinions' was in reference to people on the outside -- not among the testers. Frank On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:26 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: It seems there are polarized opinions on the meaning of 'polarized opinions'. From the standpoint of an optimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the outside world, but from the standpoint of a pessimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the testers. Someone could ask Frank Acland to clarify the meaning. Harry On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, you and I picked up on the most important phrase that others seems to have missed - Polarized Opinions. This by itself has got to refer to opinions of the testers, not the outside world. For why would the polarized opinions of the outside world suddenly make a difference in the release of the TIP2 report? The outside world opinion has always been polarized since the beginning, why make a difference now? especially in the context of the TIP2 release date? Jojo - Original Message - *From:* David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, I hope you are wrong about your conclusion. It does concern me by the expression of Polarized opinions. Best case is for them to be referring to how the device operates instead of how well it works. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com
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Thanks for the clarification Frank. Did the tester indicate to you privately the reason for the delay, even if it is something they don't want to say in public? Jojo - Original Message - From: Frank Acland To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sorry, I just found this thread -- I didn't realize there was such controversy going on. The term 'polarized opinions' was in reference to people on the outside -- not among the testers. Frank On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:26 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: It seems there are polarized opinions on the meaning of 'polarized opinions'. From the standpoint of an optimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the outside world, but from the standpoint of a pessimist it could mean the polarized opinions of the testers. Someone could ask Frank Acland to clarify the meaning. Harry On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, you and I picked up on the most important phrase that others seems to have missed - Polarized Opinions. This by itself has got to refer to opinions of the testers, not the outside world. For why would the polarized opinions of the outside world suddenly make a difference in the release of the TIP2 report? The outside world opinion has always been polarized since the beginning, why make a difference now? especially in the context of the TIP2 release date? Jojo - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Jojo, I hope you are wrong about your conclusion. It does concern me by the expression of Polarized opinions. Best case is for them to be referring to how the device operates instead of how well it works. Dave -Original Message- From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers Sure, you can be optimistic and read it that way; but it seems clear in the context of the statements, that the Polarized opinions is the reason. Reason for what? reason for not giving pre-statements about a timing or content of the report. Why would any polarized outside opinion be the reason for any delay in the timing of the release? or affect the content of the report? It seems clear. The testers can not agree on what to write. This can only mean some think it is positive, some think it is negative. They can't agree like a hang jury. Jojo - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Polarized ECat Testers From: Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:07:08 AM http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/08/20/e-cat-report-watch-thread/ As reported in e-catworld. It seems the TIP2 testers are having a lot of disagreements; hence the delay in the release of the report. This does not bode well for the ECat. I have been one of a few that think too many warning flags have been seen lately regarding the ECat. Chances of it being a Scam has increased. I don't read it that way --- The response I received was that they realize there is a great amount of interest in the report, but that because of polarized opinions surrounding the LENR and E-Cat, it was not advisable to give any pre-statements about the content of timing or the report. The polarized opinions are those in the outside world, not within the team - which wants to get it right. And, quite correctly, say nothing to nobody until the report's out. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World
