Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
release. Therefore, the net energy released into the system is the same independent of path. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 12:16 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: It would

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: It would be ideal if the pseudo neutron can be formed which would then penetrate the nucleus but I am afraid that the energy equations would not balance. If there are two different paths to the same

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: It would be ideal if the pseudo neutron can be formed which would then > penetrate the nucleus but I am afraid that the energy equations would not > balance. If there are two different paths to the same ultimate result, > they should releas

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, David Roberson wrote: It would be ideal if the pseudo neutron can be formed which would then > penetrate the nucleus but I am afraid that the energy equations would not > balance. If there are two different paths to the same ultimate result, > they should releas

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:49 PM, David Roberson wrote: It is apparent that the oblong shape would result in a strong dipole > behavior provided that that nucleus is not in the center. The references > that have been suggested all show the nucleus of the atom as located at one > foci. I must adm

[Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Just a couple noteworthy items from my research for those few of you that cannot get enough of my black hole/collapsed matter theory of CF. A 2008 study considered the internal mass of a black hole to be very similar to a dense Bose Einstein Condensate, not necessarily a singularity. http://arxiv.

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
Le Sep 3, 2012 à 2:43 PM, Jed Rothwell a écrit : > Mike McKubre says that he first met Martin Fleischmann, there were several > students in the hallway firing a bow and arrow for some sort of experiment. > It looked foolhardy. Mike decided it was just the place for him. I recall a bow-and-arro

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike confirmed that story. It wasn't my imagination that he said that. He said "they were making micro-electrodes by stretching a (molten) hollow glass fiber as fast as they could before it cooled." - Jed

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Or "Hey, what's this button do?..." On Monday, September 3, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell > > > wrote: > > > My daughter spent time in New Zealand. She says the national slogan there > > should be: "Hey, let's try it! Why not?" > > Kind of like the inf

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > My daughter spent time in New Zealand. She says the national slogan there > should be: "Hey, let's try it! Why not?" Kind of like the infamous redneck last words, "Hey, Bubba, watch this!" T

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> > My "don't try this at home" variation would be making some very >> > highly loaded PdD and then whacking it with a sledge hammer. >> >> Someone, I think more than one researcher, has admitted to trying this. > >

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > > > My "don't try this at home" variation would be making some very > > highly loaded PdD and then whacking it with a sledge hammer. > > Someone, I think more than one researcher, has admitted to trying this. > Yup. I recall hearing that some Russians tried it with a gun.

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > My "don't try this at home" variation would be making some very > highly loaded PdD and then whacking it with a sledge hammer. Someone, I think more than one researcher, has admitted to trying this. T

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:03 PM 9/3/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I don't know how Kim at Purdue is regarded in this group, but aside from his theoretical work, his ICCF-17 paper proposes three experiments along these lines. They are: (a) Determine the velocity distribution of deuterons in metals, which he states "i

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:03 PM 9/3/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I don't know how Kim at Purdue is regarded in this group, but aside from his theoretical work, his ICCF-17 paper proposes three experiments along these lines. They are: (a) Determine the velocity distribution of deuterons in metals, which he states

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I don't know how Kim at Purdue is regarded in this group, but aside from his theoretical work, his ICCF-17 paper proposes three experiments along these lines. They are: (a) Determine the velocity distribution of deuterons in metals, which he states "is expected to be different" from an ideal gas. (

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
I understand and agree. I also understand that fusion also has thermal issues since it typically occurs at millions of degrees Kelvin. Maybe DGT's trojan horse theory is correct, who knows at this point. On Monday, September 3, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: > This is a good find with possible relev

RE: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Jones Beene
This is a good find with possible relevance for Ni-H, Stewart, but many observers will have a different take on how far one can take the BEC due to thermal issues. The classic "dipolar boson" and probably the only one which has a chance to form a BEC at high temperature, since it has greatly re

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
reactions so that we can look at these? > > Dave > -Original Message- > From: Eric Walker > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2012 12:04 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields > > Le Sep 2, 2012 à 7:07 PM, Terry Blanton a écrit : > > > Okay, bu

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
reactions so that we can look at these? Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2012 12:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields Le Sep 2, 2012 à 7:07 PM, Terry Blanton a écrit : > Okay, but what I'm sayin' is that in the crevasse of a pa

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
contact with a free proton in space? Does the electron begin to orbit both protons at that time? Does the combination result in a symmetrical spatial arrangement? Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 11:50 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Eric Walker
Le Sep 2, 2012 à 7:07 PM, Terry Blanton a écrit : > Okay, but what I'm sayin' is that in the crevasse of a partial crystal > lattice, those partial bound electrons restrict where the RSH fermion > might reside by exclusion. > > "Well, I can't go there." > > "And I can't go there." > > Fritz!

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Eric Walker
Le Sep 2, 2012 à 4:59 PM, David Roberson a écrit : > I assume you refer to inverse Rydberg (f/h) matter here. Normal Rydberg > matter is less dense from what I have seen. It seems the oblong shape of Rydberg atoms causes them to become electrostatic dipoles, which allows them to be oriented a

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
x27;);>> > To: vortex-l 'vortex-l@eskimo.com');>> > Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 9:54 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:48 PM, David Roberson > wrote: > > Not a problem. If a classical orbit is true for any length of ti

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
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Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 10:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Actually, it is a little premature to throw out a theory that has worked so > well for so long Or maybe the t

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:16 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Actually, it is a little premature to throw out a theory that has worked so > well for so long Or maybe the time is now. Or not. Happy Laborless day! T

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 9:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:48 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Not a problem. If a classical orbit is true for any length of time, quantum > mechanics has some expl

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields In chemistry, Schrödinger, Pauling, Mulliken and others noted that the consequence of Heisenberg's relation was that the electron, as a wave packet, could not be considered to have an exact location in its orbital. Max Born suggested that the elect

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I was thinking of the other guy whose name is Heisenberg. The wave > functions do not have a time domain feature from what I recall. And then, > any attempt to locate the electron will shove it out of position. This > discussion reminds me

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
expert in QM, perhaps someone who has that knowledge will help out here. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM, David Roberson wrote: > The lady in red certai

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > Terry is just saying the probability that the electron will be closer to the > neucleus is higher. And in the presence of partially bound electrons in a broken lattice, the word becomes "restricted". T

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:48 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Not a problem. If a classical orbit is true for any length of time, quantum > mechanics has some explaining to do. Again, is this evidence for a hole in > that theory? LOL! Yeah, we call it LENR. :-) I do not know; but, you put a bunch

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
ssical orbit is true for any length of time, > quantum mechanics has some explaining to do. Again, is this evidence for a > hole in that theory? > > Dave > -Original Message- > From: Terry Blanton 'hohlr...@gmail.com');>> > To: vortex-l 'vortex-l@eskimo

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
Not a problem. If a classical orbit is true for any length of time, quantum mechanics has some explaining to do. Again, is this evidence for a hole in that theory? Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM, David Roberson wrote: > The lady in red certainly has the appearance of a neutron if the electron > orbits in this time domain(classical) fashion. Can we assume that the > ability of Rydberg hydrogen to fuse relatively easily is evidence that > quantum mechanics i

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Granted that the Bohr model is simplistic; but, for a few hundreths of > a nanosecond, the Rydberg atom of hydrogen is essentially a neutron. I think my time scale is off. We might be looking at hundreds of femtoseconds. In the words of my

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
9:24 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:16 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I guess I was not aware of this situation Terry. Well, look at the Lady in Red: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sommerfeld_ellipses.svg from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_mo

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Sounds reasonable. I would think the ions may be more vulnerable/unstable in this state, especially if they are densely packed in a compressed void with the repulsion of the walls and with possible concentrated charge/fields within. On Sunday, September 2, 2012, ChemE Stewart wrote: > Dave, > >

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:16 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I guess I was not aware of this situation Terry. Well, look at the Lady in Red: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sommerfeld_ellipses.svg from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model Granted that the Bohr model is simplistic; but, for a

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
12 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:59 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I assume you refer to inverse Rydberg (f/h) matter here. Normal Rydberg > matter is less dense from what I have seen. No, I refer to hydrogen with extra energy which forces the electr

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave, I was looking at Rydberg matter densities and Inverted Rydberg densities from this paper from Miley and others. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/STAFF/VISITING_FELLOWS&PROFESSORS/pdf/MileyClusterRydbLPBsing.pdf On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:59

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 7:59 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I assume you refer to inverse Rydberg (f/h) matter here. Normal Rydberg > matter is less dense from what I have seen. No, I refer to hydrogen with extra energy which forces the electron into a higher energy state near ionization. The elect

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread David Roberson
I assume you refer to inverse Rydberg (f/h) matter here. Normal Rydberg matter is less dense from what I have seen. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields I'll defer to Axil, but i would sa

[Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
I'll defer to Axil, but i would say yes. Rydberg matter is also nice and dense allowing you to pack more matter into voids to get more "fuel" into the chambers. Stewart On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: > Would a static electric field result in a polarization of Rydberg > hydr

[Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-02 Thread Terry Blanton
Would a static electric field result in a polarization of Rydberg hydrogen atoms? Also, since DGT implies that the Pm3m space group enhances the NAE would that static field enhance the reaction? T