Re: [Vo]:More on rooftop turbines ...

2009-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:13 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:07:28 -0900: Hi, [snip] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/business/15novel.html?em The energy ball turbine appears to combine all the disadvantages of both types, with

Re: [Vo]:More on rooftop turbines ...

2009-02-19 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Horace, THe electronics are the the least of the cost. The profit factor rules. Richard --- The energy ball turbine appears to combine all the disadvantages of both types, with none of the advantages. Yes, and the price tag on all of them is incredible. It must be that most of the

Re: [Vo]:More on rooftop turbines ...

2009-02-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: Yes, and the price tag on all of them is incredible. Indeed. I don't know what you pay per kWh; but, it's only about ten cents here. If you can only expect 2000 kWh per year, the $200 in cost reduction results in a

Re: [Vo]:More on rooftop turbines ...

2009-02-19 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Terry, Some local power is produced by gas turbines and is both expensive to produce and costly to maintain. Have a friend, ex GE guy that does some of the service work.He was born in a town near Horace. Looking down the road it appears the small packaged nuke units will replace the gas

Re: [Vo]:More on rooftop turbines ...

2009-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
There are some excellent niche markets for small wind turbines, such as deep water buoys and other platforms at sea. The are similar to solar cell installations used along isolated highways for emergency telephones, and for fog monitoring stations on mountain roads. People developing

[Vo]:more power - arrh, arrh!

2009-02-19 Thread Nick Palmer
Gnorts, This Australian company has just announced 60% electrical efficiency for their solid oxide microgeneration combined heat and power unit - 85% total efficiency! http://www.cfcl.com.au/ Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:more power - arrh, arrh!

2009-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Nick Palmer wrote: Gnorts, This Australian company has just announced 60% electrical efficiency for their solid oxide microgeneration combined heat and power unit - 85% total efficiency! http://www.cfcl.com.au/ Nick Palmer Note that counting the

Re: [Vo]:more power - arrh, arrh!

2009-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: Note that counting the useful (in Alaska anyway!) co-generated heat the CFCL fuel cell is 85% efficient. I guess 15% heat goes out with the exhaust gasses? And waste heat radiated from the body of the unit, if it is placed outdoors. Late model gas furnaces are better

Re: [Vo]:more power - arrh, arrh!

2009-02-19 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Late model gas furnaces are better than 85% efficient, but of course they do not generate electricity! Oil burners are up to 85% these days, some even better. I think some SlantFin furnaces are a bit higher. Nevertheless, I loathe oil heat. For

Re: [Vo]:more power - arrh, arrh!

2009-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kyle Mcallister wrote: This is true. However, caveat emptor: just because it will emit no CO at factory adjustment and when perfectly clean doesn't mean it won't if it gets out of adjustment, or gets dirty. Cat hair, dandruf, spiders, etc. can clog the thing. Dust will accumulate. Now, this

Re: [Vo]:more power - arrh, arrh!

2009-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I was a little concerned that it might asphyxiate someone standing next to the house, but he said there is no danger. I gather they put the pipe up in the air anyway. The pipe does not have be heavy or insulated. The present chimney goes