Peter Gluck wrote:
Jed you are a good historian too...in which extent was the airplane
> patented?
It was patented in 1906. The legal battles over the patent exhausted Wilbur
Wright and contributed to his death in 1912 at age 45. See:
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Wright_Bros/Patent_
Thank you, complex issue! Difficult to find valid analogies with the present
case- that is developing step by step.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Peter Gluck wrote:
>
> Jed you are a good historian too...in which extent was the airplane
>> patented?
>
>
> It was patented
Thanks for the posts.
For better or worse, Rossi strikes me as the ultimate micromanager.
Perhaps it part of an engineer's internal makeup - to want to stay in
control of everything, including the purse strings.
I can dig it.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/ori
On 02/08/2011 08:52 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
> Thanks for the posts.
>
> For better or worse, Rossi strikes me as the ultimate micromanager.
>
> Perhaps it part of an engineer's internal makeup - to want to stay in
> control of everything, including the purse strings.
>
You misunderstand. The purpose of the radioactive "seed" emitter in this
scenario is NOT to produce power, per se.
It is to alter the QM probability field. The result is many orders of
magnitude enhancement.
QM fusion is all about probability enhancement. It sounds illogical - like
magic, but th
Steve Krivit wrote:
> In the last few years, we have figured out that there really is <
>> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/35/SR35902coldfusionisneither.shtml>no
>> evidence for cold fusion and that the best so-called evidence for it was <
>> http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2010/35/SR359
Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does not hold water,
decisive critique by Joshua Cude: Rich Murray 2011.02.08
Why didn't I see this, right in my face for three weeks?
I really wanted the dream to be true, after 22 years...
"3. If the flow rate measurement is accepted, and that could
Rich Murray wrote:
> 1. Presumably, the H-Ni system is not aware of what is happening
> inside the conduit, so the notion that at the exact moment the
> temperature hits boiling, its power output would increase 8-fold is
> not believable.
> Even less believable is the notion that it would stop i
Rich, /please/ */STOP CROSSPOSTING!!/*
It's a violation of list rules and it's a pain in the neck when responding!
On 02/08/2011 12:15 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
> When it reaches the necessary power transfer to vaporize all the
> water, the increase stops abruptly;
> 5% more power would increase the
On 02/08/2011 12:42 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Rich Murray mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> 1. Presumably, the H-Ni system is not aware of what is happening
> inside the conduit, so the notion that at the exact moment the
> temperature hits boiling, its power output would inc
Due largely, I suspect, to Rich's cross posting, I'm getting responses
off-list to my comments. I'll repost one of them here, because it might
be worthwhile for others to see it.
On 02/08/2011 02:59 PM, Dan G wrote:
>> "there is no apparent reason for the output
>>
> temperature to hold
stephen, the steam does absorb more energy, but this manifests as a faster flow
of steam rather than as a temperature increase.
Harry
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 3:29:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Levi's interpretation of the two Rossi demos does
... two more details worth mentioning about "seeding" in LENR, such as with
a radioactive isotope, only this time it is not an exotic isotope. And that
infamous Bologna reactor, shaped like the boot of Italy, is starting to
really smoke, now.
The secret could be thorium. The second confirming deta
Let me second and third some of the counter claims raised about the
steam temperature issue.
>From Mr. Lawrence,
...
> If the water flow rate is fixed, and the power level is allowed
> to vary, then, if steam is coming out, its temperature will vary,
> and will be determined at any moment by how
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
> In an open boiler with a submerged heating element, the steam won't rise
> above 100 C, because its temperature is buffered by the liquid water with
> which it's in contact. In a pipeline, once the water has boiled away to
> steam, the
On 02/08/2011 03:43 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> stephen, the steam does absorb more energy, but this manifests as a
> faster flow of steam rather than as a temperature increase.
No. Remember, PV = nRT for steam, just like any reasonable gas. That
means,
V = nRT/P
If the steam flow accelerates
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 8 Feb 2011 06:42:25 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>I am trying to write up a decent description of it
...I await with bated breath. :)
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
hmm could naturally occuring radioactive palladium be playing role in PF cells?
http://www.webelements.com/palladium/isotopes.html
btw radioactive pallidium seeds are used to treat protaste cancer.
Harry
>
>From: Jones Beene
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 3:50:49 PM
>S
On 02/08/2011 03:52 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
> Let me second and third some of the counter claims raised about the
> steam temperature issue.
>
> >From Mr. Lawrence,
>
> ...
>
>
>> If the water flow rate is fixed, and the power level is allowed
>> to vary, then, if steam is com
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:50:49 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
1/3 of 300 gm of Ni = 100 gm of copper ~= 1.6 Mol * 150 MeV / Th fission
reaction => 6.3E6 kWh of thermal power = 126 times more than 5 kWh.
One has to wonder where it all went to. (Not to mention that Th fission
On January 15th 2011 the airpressure in Bologna about 1025 hPa ( High
pressure system) . At that airpressure water boils at 101 deg C. So the
higher temperature of the steam can be explained by the higher airpressure
and not be "superheated "steam.
Peter
- Original Message -
From
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:05:47 -0800 (PST):
Hi,
[snip]
>hmm could naturally occuring radioactive palladium be playing role in PF
>cells?
All naturally occurring isotopes of Pd are stable.
>
>http://www.webelements.com/palladium/isotopes.html
>
>btw radioactive p
On 02/08/2011 03:52 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
>
>> In an open boiler with a submerged heating element, the steam won't rise
>> above 100 C, because its temperature is buffered by the liquid water with
>> which it's in contact. In
On 02/08/2011 04:10 PM, P.J van Noorden wrote:
>
>
> On January 15th 2011 the airpressure in Bologna about 1025 hPa ( High
> pressure system) . At that airpressure water boils at 101 deg C. So
> the higher temperature of the steam can be explained by the higher
> airpressure and not be "superheat
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:22:25 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>In this case, the flow rate is fixed by the positive displacement pump
>at what seems to be an arbitrary value, and the power level is whatever
>the reactor puts out. It's an enormous coincidence that the te
On 02/08/2011 04:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
> In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:22:25 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>
>> In this case, the flow rate is fixed by the positive displacement pump
>> at what seems to be an arbitrary value, and the power level is whatev
In reply to Mitchell Swartz's message of Tue, 08 Feb 2011 01:29:48 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Also: Gerald Celente puts new energy as a top trend for 2011.
>"Gerald Celente of Trends Institute has put new energy as a top trend for
>2011. He made the statement on Eric Kings King World News interview for
You may think these comments are a bit premature, but .
There are some heavy hitters in DoE and the major Universities behind
thorium as a replacement for uranium. But that is for use in an expensive
breeding cycle which has most of the negatives of any fission scheme.
Imagine how surprised they
Great Scott!
http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/12/mr-fusion.jpg
the Doc returns from 2015 to 1985 with a commericial LENR device.
Harry
- Original Message
> From: "mix...@bigpond.com"
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 4:43:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Gerald
The gas law is only accurate for systems which are in thermodynamic
equilibrium.This system is not in a state of equilibrium.
The steam is not only "spreading out", it is also moving en masse in one
direction.
harry
>
>From: Stephen A. Lawrence
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Sent: Tue, February 8
>From Mr. Lawrence:
...
> You are making an unconscious assumption here, which is that
> water is being added just exactly fast enough to replenish
> the water which is boiled away.
>
> That's not what's happening! The water is being added at
> a constant rate, with no feedback from the reactor!
On 02/08/2011 06:03 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
>
> To clarify, the original point I was trying to make (quite consciously
> I might add) is that IF we presume Rossi's reservoir always contains
> sufficient amounts of water within the reactor core the temperature of
> the vented stea
A few spikes in power from a 230 V source, due to a few brief shorts,
can not explain a half hour's production of heat. Also, resistors
typically fail to an open circuit. Hydrogen burning is not a good
explanation either, because the hydrogen use was monitored. The
experiment is said to be
Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] wrote:
[JB] There are some heavy hitters in DoE and the major Universities
behind thorium as a replacement for uranium. But that is for use
in an expensive breeding cycle which has most of the negatives
of any fission scheme.
[GH] The company behind the
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february042011/globaltemp.php
Magnetic Polar Shifts Causing Massive Global Superstorms
Terrence Aym Salem-News.com
Superstorms can also cause certain societies, cultures or whole
countries to collapse. Others may go to war with each other.
(CHICAGO) - NASA has
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/02/oobleck-top-kill
Dr. Seussian Mystery Fluid Could Have Saved Top Kill
By Lisa Grossman February 7, 2011 | 2:00 pm | Categories:
Miscellaneous, Physics
A mixture of cornstarch and water best known for entertaining
kindergartners could have plugged t
Re the tiny copper flake found inside the Cincinnati group stainless
steel chamber after high temperature, high pressure electrolysis for
hours (1997?) -- I looked up the composition of the stainless steel at
the Los Alamos National Lab library, and found that copper was about
5%... uh, possible el
As Steven J., points out it could simply be the water delivery system is
designed to maintain the same amount of water in the reactor at all times. I
don't think that would be an extra-ordinary feat of engineering.
harry
- Original Message
> From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
> To:
-Original Message-
From: Rich Murray
Re the tiny copper flake found inside the Cincinnati group stainless
steel chamber after high temperature, high pressure electrolysis for
hours (1997?) -- I looked up the composition of the stainless steel at
the Los Alamos National Lab library, and fo
A reasonably salient article comparing Rossi vs. BLP.
http://pesn.com/2011/02/08/9501758_Black_Light_Power_and_Rossis_Cold_Fusion_
related/
http://tinyurl.com/673823b
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:11:58 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february042011/globaltemp.php
[snip]
Quote:-
"Worse, what shields the planet from cancer-causing radiation is the magnetic
field. It acts as a shield deflecting harmful ultra-vi
Thanks for the information George.
As you know, there is little way to avoid "further speculation" in this
group, but I am going to try to abstain, as it is probably counterproductive
at this stage.
Jones
-Original Message-
From: George Holz
Jones Beene wrote:
[JB] There are some he
On 02/08/2011 08:32 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> As Steven J., points out it could simply be the water delivery system is
> designed to maintain the same amount of water in the reactor at all times. I
> don't think that would be an extra-ordinary feat of engineering.
>
The water delivery syste
On 02/08/2011 07:10 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
> A few spikes in power from a 230 V source, due to a few brief shorts,
> can not explain a half hour's production of heat. Also, resistors
> typically fail to an open circuit. Hydrogen burning is not a good
> explanation either, because the hydrogen
Jones,
You mentioned an avalanche in your other thread due to increasing
the QM probability using a
Radioactive seed that should also apply to Thorium. I think you may have
guessed their process or an an equivalent one!
Your threads on this subject combined make a nice theory. I still thin
Hi Jones,
Here's a nice little clean (no radioisotopes) fission reaction for you, using H
clusters:-)
Th232 + 8H (cluster) => Ti50 + Os190 + 183.9 MeV
A fission reaction is essentially guaranteed given that for heavy metals such as
Th, U etc. it doesn't take much to cause them to fission. When
Well, Jones,
Rossi claims anomalous elements found on disrupted small regions on
his Ni: Cr and Mn...
Also, there is plenty of Cu pipe, coated with Ni as the reaction
surface, and as the cooling water pipe, and if I recall correctly, not
supposed to be oxidized -- dimensions not given -- I recall
Hello Jones,
I'm glad to see the possibilities of cold thorium fission being explored.
As an technically unqualified scientific layman, I was one of the
skeptics in months of debate on V-L in 1997 re the transmutation
claims by the Cincinnati group -- you may not be surprised that the
skeptics ag
H2 O2 gases mixed at high pressures -- a modest proposal: Rich Murray 2011.02.08
Yakking with Michael Barron today, I imagined the tall green H2
bottle, attached to the Rossi demos -- he tells me that the standard
maximum pressure is 3,000 psi [ 200 atmospheres ] -- what if such a
bottle, pumped f
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>
> On 02/08/2011 08:32 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
> > As Steven J., points out it could simply be the water delivery system is
> > designed to maintain the same amount of water in the reactor at all times.
> > I
> > don't think that would be an extra-ordinary feat
- Original Message
> From: "mix...@bigpond.com"
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 4:13:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Am-243 - the Rossi smoking gun? (smoking boot)?
>
> In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:05:47 -0800 (PST):
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >hm
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