Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
Che wrote People here sneer at the likes of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project.. but say what you will: its very OPEN [Source] nature is what *will* at least keep it out of the grubby clutches of moneyed-interests. Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Nigel Dyer
In a fully open source project (such as some of the software development I am involved with) I assume the patent trolls are not able to jump in on the stuff that is published. I assume the danger is that they take the open source info and patent some/all of the as yet unpublished extensions, w

[Vo]:Picking up the pieces

2017-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
According to Abd... "All claims dropped on both sides. It is as if the suit was never filed. All parties bear their own costs. The action of the Agreement was the consent of counsel to settlement without any court order other than dismissal, which is final." No agreements were included... so u

[Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
I am sorry to report that there has been a considerable decline in interest in cold fusion. The number of Google alerts about the subject is far lower than it used to be. The number of people reading papers at LENR-CANR.org is down. The numbers usually goes down in summer when students take a break

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

2017-07-06 Thread Adrian Ashfield
According to Abd... "All claims dropped on both sides. It is as if the suit was never filed. The IP and license are not mentioned. As Rossi was apparently pleased I deduce something has changed in the ownership of the IP or the multi country license. As IH claimed the above were valueless

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
It's cold fusion for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_ColdFusion .

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: > It's cold fusion for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_ColdFusion . > I think the Ngram search will not find "ColdFusion," because it is one word. My Google Alerts parameter avoids it: cold fusion -coldfusion -"web hosting"

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Celani detected gamma rays when Rossi's reactor got started, and Rossi came down hard on him for bringing a Geiger counter. So yes, there was a Nuclear event occuring in Rossi's apparatus for at least that short time. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Che wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

2017-07-06 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Abd was speculating just like the rest of us. The most probable outcome was Status Quo Ante Bellum, but Rossi was focused on getting his IP back. So he probably did so, since IH supposedly considered it worthless. That's kind of weird how one side considers something worthless while the other sid

Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

2017-07-06 Thread Axil Axil
What the Rossi experiments has shown over many years is that LENR in a lattice is not workable because the reaction cannot be controlled. This lack of control makes the E-Cat technology untenable. Rossi has realized this and Rossi is will to let this knowhow fadeaway. The LENR reaction wants to ope

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Che
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I am sorry to report that there has been a considerable decline in > interest in cold fusion. The number of Google alerts about the subject is > far lower than it used to be. The number of people reading papers at > LENR-CANR.org is down. The

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Che wrote: Scientific research should not be a popularity contest, right? > Perhaps it should not be, but alas, it is. We have to deal with the real world as it is, not as we might wish it to be. That concept seems somewhat alien to you. *Especially* considering the funding circus that the usu

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Axil Axil
A gamma ray burst was detected in a MFMP experiment just before excess heat began. So yes, a nuclear event occurred in the MFMP's apparatus for at least that short time. On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Celani detected gamma rays when Rossi's reactor got started, and Ross

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Che
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Che wrote: > > Scientific research should not be a popularity contest, right? >> > > Perhaps it should not be, but alas, it is. We have to deal with the real > world as it is, not as we might wish it to be. That concept seems somewhat > alien

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
The judge issued an "order of dismissal." It says "this matter is dismissed with prejudice," "all parties shall bear their own fees and costs" and "all pending motions are denied as moot." This is Item 333, here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BzKtdce19-wyb1RxOTF6c2NtZkk

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Che wrote: > Jesus Christ, you bourgeois types... the POINT is to CHANGE the World: a > concept you people ARE most absolutely unfamiliar with. > I have probably done more to change the world with computers than you have. Not always in good ways, but I had an impact. If I succeed at promoting c

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Che
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Che wrote: > > >> Jesus Christ, you bourgeois types... the POINT is to CHANGE the World: a >> concept you people ARE most absolutely unfamiliar with. >> > > I have probably done more to change the world with computers than you > have. Not alw

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
Che Trotsky, you are ignoring material conditions, we do not know how Cold Fusion works, and historical conditions, that is, we are in capitalism and cold fusion is not trusted. Even in whatever form of socialism you subscribe, you'd have to either convince many other workers to see the importance

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Axil Axil
"we do not know how Cold Fusion works, and historical conditions, that is, we are in capitalism and cold fusion is not trusted" Cold fusion is a misnomer. The LENR reaction is the catalyzed decay of the nucleon produced by intense nanomagnetism similar in nature to the instantan based Fractional Q

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Kevin O'Malley
There was a software package called "cold fusion" which can obscure the results as well as the interest. LENR needs to repackage their name. Maybe something like Anomalous Heating Event.

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Che
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Che Trotsky, you are ignoring material conditions, we do not know how Cold > Fusion works, and historical conditions, that is, we are in capitalism and > cold fusion is not trusted. Even in whatever form of socialism you > subscribe, you'd ha

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Che
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > There was a software package called "cold fusion" which can obscure the > results as well as the interest. LENR needs to repackage their name. > Maybe something like Anomalous Heating Event. > LENR: 'Legitimate Engineering? Not Really".

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Frustratingly, they never pursued the Gamma ray thing. They just dropped it without explanation. On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:43 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > A gamma ray burst was detected in a MFMP experiment just before excess > heat began. So yes, a nuclear event occurred in the MFMP's apparatus for

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Status Quo Ante Bellum, as I predicted. It is a mystery why IH didn't accept this offer a long time ago. On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > The judge issued an "order of dismissal." It says "this matter is > dismissed with prejudice," "all parties shall bear their own fees a

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Frank Znidarsic
I am sorry to report that there has been a considerable decline in interest in cold fusion. Yea! I can see this with my books and apps. "Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity" was my best seller. Now the best seller is "Electronics Project". Sorry to say its time to move on and only co

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Mark Jurich
FYI: Yes, we (MFMP) did pursue the “Gamma Ray Thing” (we made an unsuccessful replication attempt, and I myself have not given up on it), and we cannot say there was excess heat, because the apparent excess heat was less than the error of the crude calorimeter measurement… … I am still trying

Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion has waned

2017-07-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
You don't know how to answer that, because that is the plain truth. 2017-07-06 23:49 GMT-03:00 Che : > > Blah, blah, blah... not worth replying to. > WTF am I ignoring. You're just trying to score some dumb brownie points. > > >

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

2017-07-06 Thread Axil Axil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHPW3-hlUw This video describes the search for bremsstrahlung radiation as seen in the MFMP experiment as predicted to occur at the onset of HOLE superconductivity. The sound is bad, but the experimental search is pictured at 6:00 into the video. IMHO, the brems