Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...

2011-06-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: element is always completely submerged. I.E. input flow is adjusted so that it matches evaporation rate. First of all, the flow rate is not adjusted in any of the demos after the experiment is started. Correct. Only the anomalous heat output is

Re: [Vo]:Deuterium vs. Hydrogen (wrt Rossi and Ahern)

2011-07-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The W of Iwamura also works . . . You mean Ohmori and Mizuno, glow discharge. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Deuterium vs. Hydrogen (wrt Rossi and Ahern)

2011-07-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: However, several dozen of the top researchers in the LENR field were a bit miffed by this change in direction, since they had built careers around Pd-D; and many of them may have jumped ship. I do not know any who say they are miffed at this. None of them seem miffed to me. I

Re: [Vo]:Deuterium vs. Hydrogen (wrt Rossi and Ahern)

2011-07-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: I mean- Piantelli has tested many transition metals in his system and has found W is also working, he has attributed to it Iwamura. sorry for that Well, Iwamura might have tested W, but I don't recall that he did. I guess Piantelli was confused. Glow discharge is quite

[Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a long posting by Steve Krivit: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/Report2-372-EnergyCatalyzerScientificCommunicationAndEthicsIssues.shtml I would say this is correct. He points out many weaknesses in Rossi's presentations and data. He exaggerates the problems, but basically it is

[Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense

2011-07-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
The Defkalion forum is frustrating. There is good information in there but it is lost in the noise. Terry Blanton showed me how to dig out much of the good stuff, by searching for responses from the company to the public. Start in the Search area: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/search.php

Re: [Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense

2011-07-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is some of the information from the forum gathered into a single document: http://ecatreport.com/hyperion/defkalions-hyperion-unit-equipped-with-gsm It says, for example: *Question*: What is the maximum temperature of steam that can be produced using Hyperion? *Answer: In a

Re: [Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense

2011-07-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Other important stuff in that document follows. The reactor holds far more than 6 months of fuel, as I thought. The 6-month limit is to inspect the equipment. That is, to make sure it is still in good working condition, without contamination, leaks or what-have-you. In my book, I predicted this is

Re: [Vo]:It Wasn't Just the Tsunami

2011-07-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Wow! That's a hard-hitting report by the famous Jake Adelstein, author of Tokyo Vice. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense

2011-07-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Another interesting comment from the forum: Safety test in progress by the Greek Authorities include procedures and scenarios (for all ranges of products) on: -Stress tests -Operational and safety test in not normal conditions (fire, earthquake etc). Please note that Greece is a country with

Re: [Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense

2011-07-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: With those unscientific predictions placed out in the public domain I have not lost sight of the fact that Defkalion seems to be calling their own shots. Defkalion seems to be moving ahead regardless of what Rossi might personally prefer

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It's over dude. My condolences. I, myself, have been feasting on crow for days. Rossi is a Fraud or Delusional. See Steven's Video of his trip to Italy. The pathetic steam output volume is the give-away. You're joking. This is ridiculous. There would be

[Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an analysis of Rossi's e-Cat steam test from Ed Storms. Actually, this is a combination of two messages he sent me, with a clarification inserted into item 2. - Jed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A variety of ways the Rossi claims might be wrong have been suggested. Let's examine

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has not done a definitive test. I don't trust him on his input mass flow rate (2 grams per second) . . . You don't trust that he can read a digital weight scale? Do you trust that Krivit can? If he had any presence of mind I suppose he checked,

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: Calculating the output velocity is a good sanity check. Could you see what you get? No, it isn't a good sanity check at the end of a 3 m hose. It would be good with a short hose. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Rossi's assertions of that steam quality can be measured with a Relative Humidity meter (it can't). Yes, it can. No it can't, I wrote a detailed email on Vortex as to why it can't, maybe I should repost it. Experts in those meters such as

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Galantini has never said that steam quality can be measured with a relative humidity meter. Not that I've seen. Of course he did! He gave the model number and the type of probe, and he said that he used it to determine that the steam is dry.

[Vo]:STOP obsessing about the meter. It makes no difference!!!

2011-07-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: It said the equipment measures enthalpy. You can't do that unless you know the quality of the steam. It also said that the instrument measures by mass, not volume. - Jed It calculates the enthalpy of humid air based on the temperature and

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Where is Galantini quoted? Look at what he gave to Krivit: http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/06/20/galantini-**

[Vo]:Test

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Cannot connect to Vortex. - Transcript of session follows - flist: Couldn't chdir to /userspace/smartlist 550 5.3.0 |flist vortex-l... Cannot open input

[Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- plaintext version

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
I am having trouble getting messages through. Here is one converted to plaintext. Here is an interesting comment from the forum. I think the direct link is: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=148p=2609#p2609 I am going to go through all of the moderator's comments and

[Vo]:People who invent a problem and then assume it must be real

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a message I sent yesterday. I do not think it went through. This calls to mind what someone said about 19th century German professors. They would sometimes invent a word from some complex conception. Then, having the word for the thing convinced them that the thing must exist. Over the

[Vo]:Larger 3.45 MW Defkalion reactor described

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=205p=2762 Here is a message I posted which I believe clarifies the description. The gist of this is -- Defkalion will build large reactors made up of smaller ones ganged together, but the output from the smaller reactors will be

[Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me summarize some things here regarding electric power generation with the Defkalion reactors. This information is scattered around. Some is from my memory. Defkalion has made a number of comments in the White Paper and on their forum regarding the prospects for electric power generation.

Re: [Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: It takes about 4 minutes for the reactors to go to maximum power. I meant from stand-by mode. I don't know how long it takes from being fully off. A cold fusion power reactor would be left in stand-by mode I think. There is no need to turn it all the way off to save fuel, obviously.

Re: [Vo]:Electric generator configuration described [Copy 2]

2011-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: They have tested other liquids for higher temperature applications. I don't know what these other liquids are, but one of them reaches 414°C. Who says that it has to be a pressure of 1 bar? For example at 35 bar the boiling point of ethylene

[Vo]:Suppose the DoE were testing a device instead of the Greek Min. of Energy

2011-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Jed claims that there has been extensive testing, but we don't have confirmation on that, AFAIK, from the actual testing agencies. And what, exactly, was tested is not clear. I did not claim that. Defkalion did, during their press conference.

Re: [Vo]:Suppose the DoE were testing a device instead of the Greek Min. of Energy

2011-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Memo from the Director of Safety Testing: Did you measure the generated heat? Response from testing technician: No, of course not, that wasn't in the test specification. We did not see any explosions. . . . Let me point out another thing about this un-funny joke, and the many

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Offers Dealerships

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rock_nj rockn...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly the way free energy inventor (scammer) Dennis Lee raised money, by selling dealerships. Why would Defka​lion need to sell dealerships to raise money if they have such a blockbuster energy product? This thing is really starting to smell bad. This is

Re: [Vo]:Suppose the DoE were testing a device instead of the Greek Min. of Energy

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd's response strikes me as a lot of verbiage the obscures the point about these tests. I do not think there is any chance the Minister will allow people to blatantly lie about what his Ministry is doing. More to the point -- Defkalion says the government will issue reports and a license to

[Vo]:This is a hard-luck country-western ballad ISP?

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Good grief! Terry Blanton reports that this discussion group is being hosted on an ISP afflicted with the problems of a country-western hard-luck ballad; i.e., the dog died, Robert is in prison, and the singer's best friend left with the truck and the wife: That would be Carl. He's

Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:54 PM 7/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Nikola Tesla... Ahhh . It can't be him. He's dead. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Perfect simulation of e-cat with 1200W, for Lewan's video.

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
It is hard to tell, but that does look similar to NyTeknik's video. - Jed

[Vo]:Defkalion comments on the role of the electric heater

2011-07-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
This sounds like the heater is used only to bring the cell up to the operating temperature to trigger the reaction. I think they said the method of regulating the reaction is to vary gas pressure, rather than Rossi's method of changing the auxiliary electric heater power. There appear to be

[Vo]:Defkalion closes forum

2011-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here a notice at the Defkalion forum: Due to an overload in traffic and a bottleneck in moderating discussions, Defkalion Green Technologies has decided to temporarily freeze this Forum’s operation until further notice. All comments have been welcomed. We thank you all for your participation.

[Vo]:The great oil sniffer hoax

2011-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a technological hoax that bamboozled $150 million from high officials in oil companies and governments. I did not realize such large, high-level hoaxes existed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oil_Sniffer_Hoax A skeptic suggested to me that Defkalion might be something like this. I

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's Carbon Rings of Benzene

2011-07-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: but, note, that the article says that Case had his own special mixture of activated carbon. Now, as I recall, he actually made his from coconut shells. I do not know if he made them. I doubt it. Many of the commercial catalysts are deposited on carbonized coconut shells

Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to movie professor and Peter Ekstrom's analysis

2011-07-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
This document, “the E-Cat does not produce excess Energy” has some some strange assertions. http://www.fysik.org/WebSite/fragelada/resurser/cold_fusion_krivit.pdf Where does the power go? Out of the E-Cat or the tube? Not very likely since the losses are small, 5 kW is a lot of power and it

Re: [Vo]:Reports of tritium production from Rossi-like experiments

2011-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Claytor tried to go public with early convincing work nearly twenty years ago, but because of the National Security Implications he was effectively silenced; and dropped out of view for many years. That's not true. He published several papers. Several are uploaded at

Re: [Vo]:First Photo of Mass-Produced e-Cats?

2011-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-07-12 05:36 PM, noone noone wrote: I find nothing strange about this report. So what if he sold the building. He kept the reactor, and has produced hundreds more since then. Defkalion has proceeded to build hundreds more. Defkalion has actually built their

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher wrote: [KRIVIT] Professors Sven Kullander, retired from Uppsala University, and Hanno Essén, with the Royal Institute of Technology, endorsed Rossi’s claimed technology in a news story on Feb. 23, 2011, before they had seen or inspected the device. Essén is the chairman of

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig wrote: The plot thickens. It may very well be that the device doesn't have to deliver more energy than put into it. What the heck are you talking about?!? Of course it delivers more than you put into it. This is a peculiar thing to say. It may have a market even if it fails

[Vo]:Not working again

2011-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
A couple of messages did not go through. We should give serious consideration to moving this discussion group to a new ISP. - Jed

[Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
People wonder why Levi has not given out more information about the 18-hour flowing water test. I wish he would publish a detailed report listing the type of flowmeter and so on. It is annoying to me that he has not. I expect Levi and the others consider that test irrefutable. So do I. If I had

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

2011-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
I expect this report is exaggerated or confused. NASA is not charged with authority to devise a program to make cold fusion the main energy source for the world. That is far beyond their mandate. Heck, they don't even have rockets anymore. I wonder if it was Rossi who claimed that NASA is doing

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig wrote: Check out their report. They report the power input as 500 Watts in their energy calculations. Why? That is incorrect. The report says: The electric heater was switched on at 10:25, and the meter reading was 1.5 amperes corresponding to 330 watts for the heating including

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Trust but verify. I don't get that. If you have verified, you don't need to trust. It makes more sense to say: Don't trust; verify. OR Why bother trusting if you can verify? This was with regard to weapons reductions in the Reagan era. By that time, both sides had

Re: [Vo]:Definitely proving cold fusion.

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: So, why not making an LENR experiment close to a big neutrino detector, like the kamiokande? This was done at Kamiokande. Unfortunately the experiment was amateur and there is no chance it produced a cold fusion effect. It would be a good idea to try again with a

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: And this has been said to you many times, Jed, and you keep repeating that this is nonsense. It is all nonsense and bullshit. The 18-hour tests with flowing water proved that the large cell is producing ~17 kW. The Lewan video proved that the smaller cells are

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig wrote: 1) How often the ammeter was observed is unreported. People have done any number of cold fusion experiments, including Ni-H ones, in which input power was recorded on computer. If you don't wish to believe this particular experiment then I suggest you look at some of

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Since only Rossi and Levi were present at the 18 hr test, it is possible that Rossi fooled Levi by tampering with the instruments prior to the tests. This is not possible. It is very easy to confirm that the instruments were more-or-less correct with visual and tactile

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Obviously I meant to write: . . . you can feel the OUTLET is substantially warmer than the INLET. . . . I meant in the 18-hour test with flowing liquid water. As described here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece . . . the inlet was tap-water temperature,

Re: [Vo]:Definitely proving cold fusion.

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: There is no other way to be sure you have a cold fusion effect in the first place. There is no point to testing a cell that is not producing heat. That's not *entirely true*, but it is a huge caveat. In the early days, lots of experiments

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: In this case there is only one problem/question. 1L per second i.e. 15.65 gpm is an incredibly high flow for a tap and for the water feeding tubes. Perhaps a garden hose could do it. In a commercial building it should not be a problem. It seems it was a surprise- the

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: To be fair, in this report http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf Rossi and Focardi describe some other water flow tests on page 3. This link does not work. Want to try again? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Hmm I guess only direct downloading is allowed, so go here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/ and look for Rossi-Focardi paper listed under resources on the left side of the page. You mean the RIGHT side. Right bottom, where it says Rossi-Focardi paper. I am

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: To be fair, in this report http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf Rossi and Focardi describe some other water flow tests on page 3. The text is confusing. The liquid flowing water tests are listed in Table 1, p. 4. Flowing water is method

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Pure steam, hotter than 100C, is a stable effluent: If the power output varies a little bit, you'll still be making pure steam at some temperature above 100C. Pure steam, at 100C, is *not* stable: If the output power varies just a little, you'll either be making

Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo

2011-07-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: These are just demonstrations, not scientific validations. And the purpose of them was that Rossi let some people to observe, while he was doing his own tests for the E-Cat units. Only January demonstration was actual demonstration. Exactly right. Rossi said this, very

Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo

2011-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I know quite what Rossi would have said: Too dangerous. I emptied it just now, so it's safe to hold this up, but water condenses inside the hose, because the steam cools, and eventually enough will build up that boiling hot water will spurt out

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua apparently wrote: Well, that's the difference then. But I think you're mistaken. Rossi uses a pump designed to maintain a constant flow, and all his calculations (including Krivit's video of him calculating the power) assume constant flow rate. And if the flow is constant at 5

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Cude may be making an obvious error, assuming power figures from one test apply to another. He is. Partly my fault, since I quoted 17 kW without specifying which test I meant. People should look here for the numbers:

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
P.J van Noorden wrote: It is very important to notice that water boils at 100.5 C when the outside air pressure is 1030 mBar, which can be the case when a high pressure system is covering Italy . . . In the April 28 tests, Lewan reported: we calibrated the probe by immersing it in a pot

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Jed, this is dead wrong. This is obvious. Suppose you have *almost* full vaporization, not all the water is boiling, so water level in the E-Cat will rise. Almost full vaporization is a degree or two below boiling. That's my point. Eventually, some will spill out.

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
P.J van Noorden wrote: the airpressure on April 28th 2011 was 1011 mbar, so the boilingpoint must have been 99.9 degC. The difference in boilingtemperature can be explained by the accuracy of the thermometer (+/- 0.4 degrC). At these temperatures with boiling water I doubt the water

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rossi wrote: I received him to get those suggestions, curious to know about what he had to suggest. I was working in my Bologna lab when I received him and he saw one E-Cat under test for no more that 30 seconds, after which I invited him to exit. He made no tests, he saw nothing, he just

[Vo]:Is the itty-bitty photo visible?

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I posted a message titled Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples with an itty-bitty 17 kilobyte photo attached. Did the message come through? Did the picture come through? If you cannot see the picture and you really want to see it, contact me directly and I will send it. It is no big deal. I

Re: [Vo]:Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I forgot to mention there were ~2 L of water in the pot. I wrote: 3 Omega GT-736590 thermometers, red liquid, total immersion, -10 to 100°C, marked in 1°C increments Correction: -10 to 110°C Regarding the heat-after-death event that Brown observed, I am assuming -- or pretending, really --

Re: [Vo]:Is the itty-bitty photo visible?

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: It is perfectly visible. But let's measure the enthalpy of the steam not any other characteristic I am calibrating thermocouples. Is that not allowed? More calibrations and more specific information about temperatures, duration, the mass of metal and the mass of cooling

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: How do you take a 30 minute glance? Well, Brown said in his report that Rossi showed him heat after death for about 2 minutes. (He also told me this.) That's more than 30 seconds. Perhaps Rossi just means for a short while. I do not think he means 30

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: So, can you confirm that Julian Brown from the European Patent Office is the same as the one of this paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878 ? Who else would he be? I wasn't aware there was a controversy. This reminds me of the joke about a person

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat open source replication

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: I have been trying to replicate the E-Cat transmutations in an open-source kind of way and I'm ready to start asking the community for suggestions on how to proceed. It took Rossi 15 years and hundreds of tests to figure out how to make this work.

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: They were not regulating flow in the 18 hour test. It was a direct feed from the tap (or spigot), and the utility water-meter served as their impromptu flow meter. I don't think it was impromptu. It was installed in the line to the machine,

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Who else would he be? I wasn't aware there was a controversy. Jed, haven't you read Rossi's comment? He's claiming that Brown is an imposter. I missed that. As far as I know he is the fellow who has been involved in cold fusion for a long

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Mmmm... this gets pretty complicated. Water at the inlet would obviously be cooler, much cooler. So there would be a temperature gradient in the E-Cat, with cooler water near the inlet and hotter water near the outlet. Only water rising to the

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Jed, you are forgetting something. The 120 kW figure was for a very short time. About 20 minutes, I think. Long enough to be certain it is real, with this equipment, at this flow rate. Water meters don't show flow rate, they show total water

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon wrote: I made the comment about someone flushing the toilet to demonstrate that some of the momentary power spikes could be caused by correlating drops in water pressure. I do not see how this could cause a 20-minute event. There was no continuous monitoring of flow

Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic?

2011-07-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: In my opinion, Kullander made some mistakes, and he should simply acknowledge them and move on. Where, in his report, are these mistakes? Someone here claimed that he did not measure input power, when the report clearly states he did. Simple, clean and clear.

[Vo]:PESN reports that Rossi 1 MW reactor may be self-sustaining

2011-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
See new article. There are some statements in this article I have not heard, and some stuff I doubt is true: http://pesn.com/2011/07/21/9501874_Rossis_Self_Sustaining_One_Megawatt_Reactor/ I think it is more likely that it will require minimal input energy. The input to output ratio will be

Re: [Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

2011-07-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven V Johnson wrote: Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model T crank. We're in luck, then. We have plenty of cranks in this field. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli news

2011-07-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Here is my translation of several tidbits in a thread in the Italian web forum energeticambiente.it where Roy Virgilio (nicknamed here eroyka. He attended Saturday's LENR talk in Viareggio) will report as time passes news about Piantelli's work. Thanks

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli news

2011-07-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Actually Piantelli has at least 15 publications in which he is the main leading/author the others being Focardi and analyticians. And his two patents WO 1995/20816 and WO 2010/058288 are very professionally written. (two new patents coming soon)

Re: [Vo]:PESN reports that Rossi 1 MW reactor may be self-sustaining

2011-07-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: With the electrochemical cells, all else being equal, output is somewhat proportional to input because high input boosts high loading which in turn boosts the heat. But I would not call that amplification. This is classic amplification. A

[Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/viareggio-cold-fusion-conference-science-politics-and-an-italian-competitor/ QUOTE: 19.10 – Among the public Milly Moratti takes the word and states that there are clearly now experimental evidences of Cold Fusion. Now, for the one who do not

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: All true. Consider that Milli is somehow considered alternative, not always representative of the family. But yes when you talk about oil business in Italy their name is the first on the list. Well, I hope they take an active interest in

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: One interesting new electric E-Cat replication. This really puts final mark for steam depate, altough I still wait for modification where cooling water is continuously pumped. And steam temperature measured. Also it is good to see how much higher

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: I understand you passed along some information from an insider at Levi's second experiment and sent it to along to be included in an article here: http://www.lenr-canr.org/News.htm Some folks saying you skewed the data. I'm not saying you did. And I'm

Re: [Vo]:Jed Rothwell and Krivit's video

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: We, from the list, are well aware that Jed Rothwell has some inside information about the validity of the e-cat. Despite that, I haven't seen him clearly manifest about the feeble steam output of the hose in the e-cat video. It does not look

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: This is a qualitative test, actually cannot be used for an analysis or judgment. The enthalpy of the steam has to be measured continuously mixing the steam with a known flow of cold water and measuring the temperature of the mixture. Simple like

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: producing low pressure steam is not the point, but to produce high pressure steam when E-Cats are scaled up and connected in serial and paraller for 1MW plant. I am pretty sure Rossi said the 1 MW reactor is for hot water. I have no idea what they

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Low pressure steam is not good for its main potential use- to generate electricity. As I said, low temperature process steam is very useful for many applications. But I think the point that Rossi is trying make is this: 'Here is steam at 100°C. If I

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig wrote: I saw the numbers at lenr-canr. How did you get them. Was it on a scrap of paper? By e-mail. Also, looking through my e-mail I see that I sent them off to Rossi and others, and they confirmed them. Plus you can compare them to the Nyteknik articles, as I said. The people

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: The issue is why Rossi prefers steam, when for demonstrating the potential of the E-cat- simply heating water is straigtforward. As I said, my feeling is that he prefers steam because it proves the thing works at high temperature. Also, it is a little more convenient to

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig wrote: Can you post it here, verbatum? Not the entire email, if you like, just the data. Nope. Even if I did, it would prove nothing, since anyone can write a few lines of ascii text and claim they came from an e-mail. You need to stop harping on this. Take it or leave it. The

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: As I have said here, flow meters tend to be a pain in the butt. A water tank where to put outgoing water and get volume by measuring height. I don't think he would have many more problems with mass/volume water in liquid phase than he has with steam... At high power

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: You need a flow meter to do this right. In the 18-hour test they reportedly did use a flow meter. I asked them what make and model. They never responded so I did not include this detail in my description. Flow meters have to be reliable: don't we all trust the gas pump?

[Vo]:An example of bad publicity that Defkalion or Rossi could have prevented

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8140 This is a respectable, widely read website. This report is completely wrong, but it is easy to see how the author made these mistakes. Either Defkalion or Rossi could publish correct, complete, authoritative information to squelch this kind of thing.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: As we here see how trivial it is to setup absolutely convincing demonstration, then we have only one option left that Rossi does not want to do such thing! At least not before October. The question here is *WHY* he would not want to make such experiment? Rossi has

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: Lewan still believes this stuff, hu? You may be certain that if he or I knew of any reason to doubt these claims, we would publish these reasons. I have done this already, here:

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Even if I did, it would prove nothing, since anyone can write a few lines of ascii text and claim they came from an e-mail. That is arguable at least if you use PGP or OpenPGP to sign your bytes. I think anyone that sends data on the

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