From Terrry:
The consensus at the time was it was driven with a
compressed air nozzle.
Al spun the small gear several times before he was able to get the
device to start. Could the 'failed' attempts have been a cover for
winding a spring?
The thing that bugged me about the whipmag saga
On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud.
Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous
amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering
details right before it does, and he is sure he can do it by
Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen any citation for Jones
Beene's statement. Any evidence for it?
Thanks
Luckily Daniele did not post that Nasa paper, where they
speculated that LENR may have contributed for the WTC collapse
in 9/11.
I thought it was global warming.
http://pesn.com/2011/10/05/9501927_Steorn_CEO_Posts_Overunity_Heater_Video/
You have to admire the tenacity of Steorn: if one thing fails,
they try another.
1666 ml/s should be 166.7 ml/s but it still results in 3.5 kW
This was 1/50 of the 1MW assembly, so it should be putting out
20kw. 3.5kw is a disappointment.
And so is the fact that it ran for only 4 hours, which may not
rule out a chemical reaction.
If that is the best Rossi can do I guess
Hi,
On 6-10-2011 22:32, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 6-10-2011 22:30, vorl bek wrote:
1666 ml/s should be 166.7 ml/s but it still results in 3.5 kW
This was 1/50 of the 1MW assembly, so it should be putting out
20kw. 3.5kw is a disappointment.
Excuse me?
This would result still
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
This was 1/50 of the 1MW assembly, so it should be putting out
20kw. 3.5kw is a disappointment.
In what universe is that a disappointment? If any other cold
fusion test have produced 50.4 MJ in four hours with no input
the researchers would
Maybe the secret source was charging a battery for around 4
hours with an energy above 2KW coupled with some other kind of
auxiliary battery...
This test was almost as ludicrous as the Steorn waterways test.
There, they kept things running by periodically swapping out the
devices, presumably
I would like to point out that if it were a battery, then it
would have been hidden and pre-charged before anyone came into
the room. There would be no need to charge it up in front of
everyone then.
I guess I should have referred to it as a 'battery'. That cylinder
of nickel powder could
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat from
the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how would
continuing to heat it after it ignites suppress the reaction? And
how would
vorl bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
The electric heating power is apparently used to suppress the
reaction, not to enhance it.
I have never heard of any material acting that way. If heat
from the electric heater is used to ignite the nickel, how
would continuing to heat
Greetings Vortex,
Yes, the Newspapers have been real whores in their treatment of
Cold Fusion /Fleischmannn and Pons et al,
I can not see that newspapers have been derelict in their
reporting duty when it comes to cold fusion. There must be
hundreds of crackpots and conmen out there who are
Please feel free to write your prediction about the Oct 28 1MW
Rossi test. ** Please include a 0 to 100 prediction **
0 is a scam is exposed, 25 is an unexposed scam, below 50 is
failure, and 100 is commercially viable no doubt LENR power.
I'll go with the prediction of 0 as stated on the
A while back, somebody here did a rough calculation that, given
the size of the outlet in the 1mw ecat, steam would have to be
flying out of it at greater than the speed of sound if it were
really putting out 1mw.
Since there were two outlets from the look of it, that means the
steam would move
What can Krivit do if it turns out that Rossi's
controversial work is determined to be authentic?
Surely he would blame Rossi:
It is a pity that Rossi did not conduct proper tests and release
the data earlier; think of all the starving and thirsting Africans
and others who could have been
There is no point to listing all the ways
they might have cheated.
I thought he pointed out evidence that they DID cheat, i.e. not
enough heat from the radiator corral.
Kinda stupid. See:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/02/andrea-rossi-italian-cold-fusion-plant/
Why is it stupid? It sounds like a standard mainstream (and
you can not get more mainstream than Fox News) gee-whiz science
story that the man in the street can get excited about. Indeed, it
I've seen some tantalizing photographic evidence that might
just might show fossil evidence, of low life forms that had
lived in the water and mud when Mars was still a wet planet.
My slight understanding is that Mars does not have a high enough
gravity to retain enough air for a very
Hi,
as many might have noticed I have changed sides and now want to
post on Krivits forum.
This will reduce traffic here. ;-)
I did however not find a way to post, no thread has a reply box
like in other forums.
How is this done?
I don't know, but you could post on ecatnews.com.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Peter Heckert
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
I have delivered a perfect explanation how to fake the energy
(sucking water out by vacuum and a hidden switch that
activates the heater when nobody watches the power) and you
consistently ignore it or you
You have got to be kidding-
I was. But anything Rossi shows will be objected to, and holes
will be picked in it, and they should be.
He could long ago have had independent labs test a small ecat; why
didn't he?
He comes across as someone who is deluded or is a conman.
Rossi Source for Fox and MSNBC: Obama Teleported to Mars
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/rossis-source-for-fox-and-msnbc-says-obama-teleported-to-mars/
I am beginning to like Krivit; that one was pretty funny.
And he had the brains and initiative to make the FOIA request to
NASA.
Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com wrote:
One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long
test is that
I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run
in self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be
briefly reheated to stabilize
Vorl Bek wrote:
This is what Rossi has said on many occasions. He says he
cannot leave the thing, especially in self-sustaining mode.
The idea that Rossi would do an unconvincing demo because he
needed to empty his bladder or get some sleep, and could not
delegate control for a while
I have had it with Mary Yugo.
I think Mary Yugo is a good addition to this list.
Mary Yugo's skepticism is better than excusing Rossi's odd
behaviour on the grounds that he must be an eccentric genius.
Rossi seems like a scammer to me. Of course, I hope he really has
come up with a
The fact that he has been able to do this despite rabid
opposition and countless baseless accusations by people like you
makes the accomplishment all the more remarkable.
I can't see why suggesting that Rossi let an independent lab test
his device is 'rabid opposition and countless baseless
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote:
Theory 1.
At some point Rossi decided to attempt a large scam. He somehow
talked Focardi and some others into this. Focardi said something
like: I'm tired of being a poor Italian university professor.
Let's make money! How about we rob a bank?
Sorry if anyone is upset. I might have been a bit prolific at
posting but it was mostly in response to responses. What shall
I do? Avoid responding to responses?
Keep posting. The hothouse flowers around here who are bruised by
what you say can use their killfiles.
Mary Yugo wrote:
But I don't like to try to predict what may happen.
Oh come now. You have incessantly predicted what would happen!
Again, and again you have predicted that Rossi is a scammer who
will be caught.
My recollection is that she has always said that he *acts* like a
scammer.
Aussie Guy quotes Rossi:
“Actually, we have found a breakthrough with a primary fluid
with which the reactors remain stable when we make steam at 450
Celsius.
Since lead melts at 327 Celsius, is there some lead alloy that
would keep it solid at 450?
Berke Durak wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM, vorl bek
vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Since lead melts at 327 Celsius, is there some lead alloy that
would keep it solid at 450?
What's wrong with tungsten?
You tell me.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Harry Veeder
hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you think about patenting human tissue without
compensating the former owner? For example HeLa cells?
I don't know anything
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
wrote:
So Steorn were not true scammers?
No, just stupid. And usually drunk.
What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid
drunks.
not so false.
according to Rossi's E-cat figures, it would consume 25% of
annual Ni production to produce the annual energy.
According to one of the big conspiracy sites the e-cat's core is
literally a roll of US nickels (plus the catalyst).
There are scientists that report much better results:
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/204israel.html
citation:
- Run #64b gave 1500% excess heat over a duration of 80 hours
with a total excess energy of 4.6 Megajoules
So, why do they all stare at Rossi and his poor COP and
The circus is the continual refusal by deniers that call over 1
year of published peer reviewed (Levi, Kullander, Celani, etc)
test data rubbish when it is the deniers that are making up
rubbish claims. You want science? Wait until Rossi sells me a
E-Cat and you can give it your all, that is
As I said, most cold fusion research is done on a shoestring,
tucked away in a corner were the people in charge will not
notice it. You have to keep a low profile in this business. So
please do not write letters to the Navy demanding this be
allowed. You will only make things worse. I will
It remains to be seen
whether Rossi's demonstrations and sales will convince the wider
world.
How can they not?
The October 28 customer has had the 50 e-cats for 6 weeks. I can
hear the dialogue now:
So how's it going with the e-cats, Manny?
The sons-of-guns have been running for six weeks,
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Jed Rothwell
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Gene went from a top academic career to working in a
warehouse at night to feed his family.
He was a science writer. Respectable, yes. Top academic career,
no.
Fleischmann and Pons had a terrible
Jed Rothwell wrote:
You did not know him. You did not spend weeks at his house, as I
did. You do know what he accomplished, or what difficulties he
faced. So I suggest you stop making ignorant assertions about
him.
I think you have Cude killfiled, or you would know that he wrote
what you
Jed Rothwell wrote:
I do have him killfiled. For my peace of mind.
I apologize if I mixed you up with him. I wasn't paying much
attention to the top of the message, or who wrote it. Sorry
about that.
That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him
rather than you or the other
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Vorl Bek
vorl@antichef.com wrote:
That's OK. To the degree I can follow this, I agree with him
rather than you or the other optimists here.
Then what is the reason for your presence on this list? To turn
optimism into pessimism? To fix those
I presume this is in reference to vortex-b. Unfortunately,
vortex-b is set up as a no-holds bar forum where anything goes.
Long ago I stopped subscribing to b because what goes on there
disgusts me. Anybody can join b and not fear being removed
simply because there are no rules. It's turned
It's called the scorched earth syndrome. Things got so bad that
most, myself included, simply subscribed out of b. I suspect
the trolls are still however. They are still subscribed to b,
abiding their time, waiting to pounce.
If everybody feels that way, 'b' will never be used. It could at
Jed Rothwell says:
Do you think OPEC and Big Coal will be
thrilled? You think they will roll over and play dead? They will
demand that it be banned.
And when the Chinese and Japanese and everybody with a brain starts
churning out ecats, will Big Coal knock on their door and demand
that they
MaryYugo Wrote:
Want respect, not mention tons of fame and fortune? Close the
loop and make them self running except for (rare) refueling.
You'd be the first. That's for sure.
I wonder why the people AG bought the gadgets from did not close
the loop, or why the high school students who made
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
Nobody ever closes the loop.
That is incorrect. Many people have closed the loop, starting
with Fleischmann and Pons. In cold fusion jargon, closing the
loop is called running in heat after death mode. Fleischmann
once called it fully ignited
In ecatnews.com http://ecatnews.com/?p=1727, Paul Story commented:
[The idea that we have two fraudulant entities outbidding each
other in an open exchange of illusionary pricing – shouting at
each other from opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean – is too
bizarre to be given space except in
I sent a reply to vortex-b
The sig should have read:
http://wattsupwiththat.com
For a Better World, With Fewer Mouths To Feed - They will be worth
more.
I think MY is doing a good job here. If it were not for her, Cude,
and a few others, this place would see a frenzy of
chicken-counting before the hatching takes place, at least when it
comes to Rossi.
Unsubscribeunsubscribeunsubscribe...
I've tried 4 times to get off this mailing list.
This is the fifth!
It's like the Roach Motel - you can go in but you don't come out.
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
-- One of these individuals would have been the next
nuclear-armed H*
Is Hitler's name still so painful to contemplate that it can't be
spelt out 68 years after the war ended?
Maybe we should start writing S* and M** T** T*** as well.
Andre,
Question:
Is the container gone?
Answer:
Yes.
Can't be much simpler than that.
Maybe the container in the video and picture is a demo, like the
ones in car showrooms. The one the customer actually buys is the
one from the lot or the one being manufactured that is shipped in
a
What if AG is Greg Watson? Most of the posts to this list in
regard to Rossi are dream-stuff anyway.
Why ask for reality at this point? AG's stuff is entertaining;
that should be enough for anybody here.
If AG is accused of being Watson, he may stop posting and make this
a poorer place.
Eff:
Who cares?
This is personal garbage. Please get it OFF VORTEX.
Take your personal vendetta someplace else.
At least take it to vortexb. Grok is waiting.
Wolf Fischer wrote:
there have been two different news lately:
The first one being that Ampenergo seemingly has gone inactive
(although I don't know what this exactly means, if this is even
the company which is related to Leonardo, how this would affect
Rossi, etc.):
Hello
Im following this group with great interest, im a e-cat
experimental device builder.
I have a question to the group, would you guys like a Forum
instead of discussing mail wise ?
I could get a new forum up and running in an hour or so, we can
set someone as moderator, or have a
I have been reading Mary's stuff since the early Steorn days and
if she is not a woman I will eat my hat.
From Daniel
Damn! HE IS TOTALLY INSANE I CANNOT STOP
LAUGHING HAHAHAHAHA! :D
Sterling is simply behaving like an evangelist of a different
cloth.
All evangelists want to spread the good news.
Some more obnoxiously that others. ;-)
Did Sterling speak in Greek (or
Ion-propulsion is highly inefficient, but because it produces
only a limited amount of power, the equivalence of a piece of
paper resting on your hand (please, whatever you do don't
vast snip
I have to killfile this guy. I guess he is trying to write in
html, but it comes across as a
Please take this to vortexb.
Interesting ... but I hope it isn't that Aussie Guy .
Interesting comments a couple of posts down, too, concerning
Rossi and a report of the 1MW going unstable during the test.
- Original Message -
there is a guy 'woomera' over at Chris Martensons forum, who
claims to have
They have human drivers so they are expensive. The drivers are
often surly...
A slur such as 'surly' surely does not apply to the great majority
of drivers.
That does not seem to be issue. EW do not mention it. The only
materials issue is space junk poking holes in the ribbons. Space
junk has to be cleaned up, and it could be with a multi-ribbon
space elevator. You would have to devote one ribbon to an
interceptor craft for several months.
How
From Akira,
I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi:
http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html
Jones sez:
Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal
- Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the
From Akira,
I forgot to add that all this information came from 22passi:
http://22passi.blogspot.it/2012/04/latomo-inesplorato-torino-4-maggio-2012.html
Jones sez:
Fabulous cover-art image - reminiscent of a Serpinski fractal
- Menger sponge. etc. Metaphorical to the
Can you tell us what is so special about the coolcube? It looks
like just another solar panel, with some fresnel lenses to
concentrate the sunlight.
I admit I know little about the technical points, but haven't
schemes like this been tried for years?
Why should your plastic lenses be any better
I think you should develop more you story. It has a decent
premise, I think.
It reminds me of the scifi story about the benign aliens who own
earth but have kept to a hands-off policy all these millennia.
Because of a shakeup in galactic politics, they sell earth to a
coalition which believes
This is another OFF TOPIC Wisconsin Political commentary. If not
interested, please skip this post! You have been warned!
Why don't you use vortex-b for this stuff?
Jed, I agree. Cold Fusion touches every aspect of our lives and
society, but that does not mean every aspect of our lives and
society is appropriate for this forum.
One may argue that some topics are marginally relevant but
surely, you can agree that some topics are way off topic.
Surely
I've always wondered if this were a red herring designed to lead
astray those intent upon creating bombs. ;)
All I know is that the magazine that published the 'secret' of the
h-bomb said it was radiation pressure from the a-bomb trigger that
compressed the fuel for the h-bomb.
The US
On 11-05-09 12:49 AM, Drowning Trout wrote:
What a waste of valuable domain names. Please don't confuse my
site e-cat dot us/ http://e-cat.us/ as a scam or phishing
site.
Looks like a harmless forum about the e-cat. Nobody but Trout has
posted so far.
08:56 AM, vorl bek wrote:
On 11-05-09 12:49 AM, Drowning Trout wrote:
What a waste of valuable domain names. Please don't confuse
my site e-cat dot us as a scam or phishing
site.
Looks like a harmless forum about the e-cat. Nobody but Trout
has posted so far.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jones Beene
jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
greed, greed, greed… is Gordon Gekko really correct that it
‘greed is good’?
Hell, yes. I already bought ampenerego.us (someone beat me to
com org etc); but, .biz is still available if you want it, Jones.
Joshua Cude says:
The power is turned on at 1250 W at time zero. Then at 29
minutes (more than a few), the temperature reaches boiling point
(101C). At 30 minutes, one minute after boiling begins, the
power is reduced to 400 W. But oops, they jumped the gun. The
reactor probably produces a
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Mark Iverson
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
It is widely known that the 'rod' cells in the retina, which
are responsible for seeing in low light levels,
Indeed, a single photon can cause a rod cell to fire.
I read in some magazine article that in a test,
How many reactions, which produce heat, and which may produce
runaway heat, can be quenched by ... *heating them up* ?
I would call that another big red flag.
I hope this thing is not a fake; I am just barely over the
trauma of the Steorn debacle.
but I think the jury
is still out as to whether we are witnessing what is claimed, or
human error, or fraud. -Mark
The discussion about the steam from the first demo may be
interesting, but I keep remembering Joshu Cude's remarks about the
video display of the power input that was shown during
! ! ! CONGRATULATIONS Mr. M. A. B. Garstin; you NAILED IT! ! !
This suggests that the constitution of a proton is, in fact,
simply EM radiation at energy levels above that of gamma.
big snip
Amazing. 600 words or so without a break; not, I admit, that I
would have read all of them in any
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:20:49 -0400
David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
On 7/30/2012 3:27 PM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
It seems to me that if LENR is real and scalable and we have approx 50
years to turn things around, some new industries that should arise,
based upon sound
,
and there are disgusting Holocaust abstainers who don't care that
Germans died, and even inhuman Holocaust advocates! who say my relatives
had it coming.
--
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:04:35 -0400
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This makes no sense. These are technical problems. If you find a
technical solution your own people you can apply just as easily to
everyone else in the world.
Sounds terrific. If people like you want to make sure
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:14:17 -0400
hyuk...@asia.com wrote:
Def: Ad Nauseum = Jojo
Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy
Jojo Jaro
Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:48:28 -0700
Alan, the link is interesting and if you are suggesting that I should take
this
Obama
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:21:06 -0400
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure, but appears to me that the circles in the attached photos
might be showing us Cold Fusion. Maybe they were created by drunken
englishmen, maybe not.
They were probably created by drunken physicists.
It looks like Aliens (interstellar types) favour Romney for
President.
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/romney-temp/
It's too bad Long John Nebel is no longer with us; this would have
been perfect for his show.
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:49:33 -0400
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Well Frank, here is why Sandy happened...
The low pressure system that Sandy ran into was actually the low pressure
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:09:13 +0200
Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone else object to posts like the one below?
I do not. It is always good for Enthusiasts to be cautioned about
how they spend their Money, lest, in an Enthusiastick Fit, they
spend it Foolishly.
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:10:07 -0500 (EST)
pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Preventing Armageddon Would Cost Only $100 Million
But Congress Is Too Thick to Approve the Fix
I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and
worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of
insult?
If you don't like what he says, killfile him, but don't call for
his banning because of his less than gentlemanly language; it makes
those who do sound like
It sounds like one of Hannu Poropudas's Space Potatoes.
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:33:25 -0600
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
My take on all of this… and I’m sure Jojo is listening in…
I just realized that the email client I use, it's called Sylpheed,
not only lets you killfile messages from a particular user, or a
I haven't seen any trolling here. What I have seen are opinions of
one gentleman being depreciated, often with insult, whereupon he
answers vigorously.
If the people who do not like his opinions would ignore him, or
reply politely, I don't think there would be a problem.
I recently started to
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Amundsen
to reach the south pole. He was an excellent explorer, and very methodical.
He got there and back on schedule without undo risk. But the public never
felt good about him because his plan involved shooting dogs along the way,
and feeding them
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:54:14 -0600
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
wrote:
From Vorl:
I recently started to block everything from or about him so I do
not see anything.
A sensible approach. As previously mentioned, I also block his posts.
But I also choose
On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:50:05 -0500
Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
and possibly why Richard Feynman died of Abdominal Cancer.
Are you suggesting Feynman got cancer because he was exposed to the Papp
device? I know that he was exposed
Below are two long-standing but unwritten rules of vortex-L:
1. DO NOT FEED A TROLL. If someone is insulting, then you are required
to put their address in local killfile. If you don't know what trolls
are, and aren't familiar with this issue, do not subscribe to vortex-L
Good
I can't tell the difference between one vortex and the other when
I have downloaded the mail from them.
If I use the mail client filter to dump messages from both into
the same folder, and I am subscribed to both, my reply to a
message is transparent to me as to which vortex I am replying to.
It
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:33:48 -0500
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
If you do not think that is strange then take a look at some of those
electromagnetic crop circles over the past 20 years and you will realize
that this is what they have been telling us all along.
If the particles
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