Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
New E-Cat Terminology http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-e-cat-terminology.html This time Passi lets us know he's JOKING : I share with readers of all 22 steps, to joke a little 'minds and refreshing the hottest, the written text of a funny email from a friend last week. PS And please, someone explain to advance to those of Vortex which is just a game, if not, well this time, translating with Google-translate come to believe that it is a serious thing! ;-) To measure an E-Cat will take new terminologies. For example, there will certainly be a critical dimension of that special combination H + Ni + secret ingredients, under which an E-Cat can not work. This amount will be the Mouse : Minimum Operational Unit Sufficient Extent . Cat-And there will be small, 1 mouse, and E-Cat largest, 2, 5 or n MOUSE. You will have to determine which is the energy produced by 1 mouse, and what is the mass and volume of the same mouse. It can not operate with less than 1 Cat-MOUSE. Then, every E-Cat must have a ETAIL ( Energy Transfer And Input Line), or an E-tail, almost a double tube where cold water enters and exits hot water. Finally, the unit's power emitted by an E-Cat is the MEOW :Measurement of Energy Outlined in Watts . In fact MEOW 1 Watt = 1. And so on and so forth:)
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Daniele makes too much fuss for nothing. I suspected that after our email exchanges. I don't think we can trust him when he gives vague information. 2012/1/30 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com I can confirm what Akira says, Daniele has explained me too. Re bad (worts)news, my guess was that the Rossi recipe will be published in the big US, Chinese, Russian, Hindi, Brazilian, Canadian and Eschimoo press this week- but this was not confirmed. So let's forget it. Peter On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote: I have watched the Voyager show many times and it deals with various scientific topics in a serious way. It is a respected show. If the e-cat featured on Voyager, it would be a good thing not a bad thing. I'm still not convinced about Passerini's inside italian joke u-turn. But anyway, no proof either way, until Passerini cares to explain! On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Here a typical episode about UFO sightings in the '70. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbLJRMOaCAfeature=related On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote: I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. I probably used the wrong term: not really a joke, but something that only the Italian audience would understand. I think (but I'm not sure) Daniele was referring to the chance that the E-Cat (and cold fusion in general) might be discussed on a local TV show called Voyager [1][2] which investigates conspiracies, paranormal activities, UFOs, mysteries, etc. As far as I understand this show deals with the subjects treated with excessive credulity and almost total lack of skepticism in a sort of flamboyant style, and for this reason it is often ridiculed and parodied [3] by the rest of the media and not taken very seriously by them and the informed public. So, if footage of the E-Cat and people involved with it or LENR and cold fusion in general were to appear in this show, both them and their supporters would be mocked up by skeptics for some time; just in Italy, however. Anyway, this is just my speculation and educated guess by reading other related comments on that site, I'm not sure if it's really what he was referring about. It might as well been tongue-in-cheek that I didn't get. [1] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Voyager_%28programma_**televisivo%29http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_%28programma_televisivo%29 [2] http://www.voyager.rai.it/ [3] http://www.youtube.com/**results?search_query=kazzengerhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kazzenger Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Rossi's actions are so chaotic that it is better to use a bit of humor to judge them. Daniele is really a good guy, his poetry is excellent, his other writings interesting, the blog attractive and in the given circumatsnces, he was an efficient reporter. To not forget, we have the same barber. Peter On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Daniele makes too much fuss for nothing. I suspected that after our email exchanges. I don't think we can trust him when he gives vague information. 2012/1/30 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com I can confirm what Akira says, Daniele has explained me too. Re bad (worts)news, my guess was that the Rossi recipe will be published in the big US, Chinese, Russian, Hindi, Brazilian, Canadian and Eschimoo press this week- but this was not confirmed. So let's forget it. Peter On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote: I have watched the Voyager show many times and it deals with various scientific topics in a serious way. It is a respected show. If the e-cat featured on Voyager, it would be a good thing not a bad thing. I'm still not convinced about Passerini's inside italian joke u-turn. But anyway, no proof either way, until Passerini cares to explain! On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Here a typical episode about UFO sightings in the '70. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbLJRMOaCAfeature=related On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote: I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. I probably used the wrong term: not really a joke, but something that only the Italian audience would understand. I think (but I'm not sure) Daniele was referring to the chance that the E-Cat (and cold fusion in general) might be discussed on a local TV show called Voyager [1][2] which investigates conspiracies, paranormal activities, UFOs, mysteries, etc. As far as I understand this show deals with the subjects treated with excessive credulity and almost total lack of skepticism in a sort of flamboyant style, and for this reason it is often ridiculed and parodied [3] by the rest of the media and not taken very seriously by them and the informed public. So, if footage of the E-Cat and people involved with it or LENR and cold fusion in general were to appear in this show, both them and their supporters would be mocked up by skeptics for some time; just in Italy, however. Anyway, this is just my speculation and educated guess by reading other related comments on that site, I'm not sure if it's really what he was referring about. It might as well been tongue-in-cheek that I didn't get. [1] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Voyager_%28programma_** televisivo%29http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_%28programma_televisivo%29 [2] http://www.voyager.rai.it/ [3] http://www.youtube.com/**results?search_query=kazzengerhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kazzenger Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On the LENR Facebook page, someone wrote that it perhaps is not a bad thing but more of a joke: http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer Giuliano Bettini @Patrick. It's not properly a "bad news". In Italian it's something like a joke IMO Wolf Passerini says it is bad news for Rossi, Focardi, AND Celani. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: maybe they are the same ? #8*O 2012/1/28 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily. (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere). - Original Message - On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net MY has gone as silent as AG. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On 2012-01-29 09:17, Wolf Fischer wrote: On the LENR Facebook page, someone wrote that it perhaps is not a bad thing but more of a joke: http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer Giuliano Bettini http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=11824886432 @Patrick. It's not properly a bad news. In Italian it's something like a joke IMO It looks like this is actually nothing as bad as what has been implied by ecatnews.com, but more like an inside joke for Italian speakers only, according to Passerini himself in a comment here: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/il-lustro-di-22-passi-episodio-25366.html Personally I don't have any idea of what was that joke about, however. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
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Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On 01/29/2012 07:55 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2012-01-29 09:17, Wolf Fischer wrote: On the LENR Facebook page, someone wrote that it perhaps is not a bad thing but more of a joke: http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer Giuliano Bettini http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=11824886432 @Patrick. It's not properly a bad news. In Italian it's something like a joke IMO It looks like this is actually nothing as bad as what has been implied by ecatnews.com, but more like an inside joke for Italian speakers only, according to Passerini himself in a comment here: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/il-lustro-di-22-passi-episodio-25366.html Personally I don't have any idea of what was that joke about, however. The joke is probably related to the primadonna. Primadonna is the name given to the lead female singer in an ensemble. The quotes mean the prima donna isn't such, that is, she is not prima, or she is not donna. Not that I meant to defend Rossi, or to agree with him, and I certainly think that MY bashing has gone to absurd lengths (like implying or cautioning about potential sabotage), but this is funny. It's also a good example on the difficulty of protecting your identity on the internet. In the end, it's less troublesome to just make your identity public, and deal with it, than to deal with all the measures to be and remain anonymous.
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I apologize. I did not mean to tell you what to discuss and what not. (And in fact, I wasn't. I was voting, and I got some thumbs up for that.) I think I am one of many followers of this list that joined (right) after October 28, because, apart from a few blogs that seem to repeat each other's messages, it is about the only place where you see the news fast. Messages here are sometimes primary info, sometimes early info, and many times they are accompanied with great commentary. So it is a great place to be. Take that as a compliment. I don't have any evidence for it ( maybe Bill has), but I think the number of passive subscribers of this list has grown immensely since October. Many more will just read the web version at mail-archive.com. I guess many of these, like myself, will not be physicists, and will only partly understand the most technical posts. And they will not all be able to contribute much. This may be a different situation from a year back, when you 'old farts' were on your own. Again, you can take that larger number of readers as a compliment, but you (or we) may also see it as a responsibility. A discussion about Mary Yugo's identity was not what _I_ was waiting for. It just won't bring _me_ much. In fact I don't care about _all_ your identities, and I take what _everyone_ says with a grain of salt, and _all_ of you may have hidden agendas and may be selling calorimetry or other equipment. I'm on here to learn about the e-Cat and LENR, and whether it will really change the world, which I hope, and tend to believe. Amidst all this sometimes the question pops up whether a web based forum would be a better format. These proposals probably come from new subscribers. I'm undecided on that, myself. It is much harder to see the time line of posts in a forum, and it is harder to see what you have read and what you have not. On the other hand, it would be easier to skip side discussions that interest you less or are more off-topic (like on people's identities). The fact that the proposal keeps popping up may be an indication that vortex-l as a mailing list has reached a critical mass where it just doesn't work too well any more. Andre On 01/29/2012 01:05 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Agreed, 110%... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 1:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Andre Blumandre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: I vote for stopping the discussion about MY's real identity right here. I vote all you johnny-come-latelys quit telling us old farts who have supported this forum for over 15 years to quit telling us what you do and do not want us to discuss. :-Þ T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I am also pleased that the noise level has abated with the reduction in repetition of the same issues. My tendency is to concentrate upon the science and that should become more common now. For a while I was seriously considering leaving the group just to reduce the influx of messages that piled into my in-box, but now I am happy that I hung in there. The secret identity of MY is not important to me , but personally I think it is cowardly to hide in that manner and the collective frowns upon that behavior. Perhaps anyone who hides their identity should be banned as a general rule. Back to the science! Dave -Original Message- From: Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 1:03 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) I agree, this weekend's diversion regarding Maryyugo's secret identity is just lightly less irratating then last weekends free for all. Why can't the Vortex et back to real science. Ransom Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2012, at 11:58 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: As the one who 'rode her ass' a number of times, I have said that her (his) technical criticisms were WELCOME... but to lay off the focus on the personalities. Good idea. Discussing the science and analysis of the tests is what we should e talking about. Except that you and others are now doing exactly what you say she was banned or. Focusing on the personal nature/personalities. Why don't you do as you uggested before, drop this garbage, and let us get back to the real heart of he matter, the technology (whatever it is) itself? But it's a much different taste when the tables are turned, isn't it? You (not ust you personally, Mark, a bunch of you) really didn't like what Mary had to ay, and it pissed you off so much you just can't drop it. You have to dig it ack up and keep going with it. The desire for the last word, the last insult, s just too much. And who can blame you? No one. You're only human, after all, nd just as fallible as any of the skeptics you so despise. Meanwhile, the rest of us are all hoping, or praying, whatever the case may e, for a truly revolutionary thing that gives us essentially free (or at least ar cheaper) heat during the winter, or clean water. She ignored all suggestions and continued with the barrage of postings... She (he) deserved to be banned, and this forum is much better off and more functional without her (his) presence. Yes, by my count things have drastically improved. In the last 24 hours, only little greater than 50% of postings to Vortex-L have had to do with Mary's dentity and motivations. Yes, indeed, this is grand progress. Good work, entlemen, pat yourselves on the back. Three posts of the many in this thread have to do with the original topic. The est have to do with the Mary legacy. Think about that. And maybe, just maybe, drop this garbage, and let's get back o the fun stuff that Vortex used to be about. --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I do not understand why anyone cares who Mary Yugo is. There are other people here with pseudonyms. Whoever he or she is, if she wants to come back here in a few weeks after Bill B.'s moratorium, I don't see any problem. As long as she follows the rules. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Kyle: If you are so bothered by the few tens of postings about MY in the last week, where was your objections to MY's 900 postings in 2 months, mostly about things that had already been conclude months before she started posting (11/10/2011); most of which were her speculations and suspicions about Rossi and the potential that it was all just pure scam? Funny you should scream about a few days of chastising now, but made NO COMMENT WHATSOEVER when it was Mary barraging the forum with hundreds of postings a week! She (he) is a cowardly skeptic who hid behind the veil of anonymity claiming she feared for her life because of threatening emails and such... she (he) is a liar... exactly what she was accusing Rossi of. -Mark -Original Message- From: Kyle Mcallister [mailto:kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: As the one who 'rode her ass' a number of times, I have said that her (his) technical criticisms were WELCOME... but to lay off the focus on the personalities. Good idea. Discussing the science and analysis of the tests is what we should be talking about. Except that you and others are now doing exactly what you say she was banned for. Focusing on the personal nature/personalities. Why don't you do as you suggested before, drop this garbage, and let us get back to the real heart of the matter, the technology (whatever it is) itself? But it's a much different taste when the tables are turned, isn't it? You (not just you personally, Mark, a bunch of you) really didn't like what Mary had to say, and it pissed you off so much you just can't drop it. You have to dig it back up and keep going with it. The desire for the last word, the last insult, is just too much. And who can blame you? No one. You're only human, after all, and just as fallible as any of the skeptics you so despise. Meanwhile, the rest of us are all hoping, or praying, whatever the case may be, for a truly revolutionary thing that gives us essentially free (or at least far cheaper) heat during the winter, or clean water. She ignored all suggestions and continued with the barrage of postings... She (he) deserved to be banned, and this forum is much better off and more functional without her (his) presence. Yes, by my count things have drastically improved. In the last 24 hours, only a little greater than 50% of postings to Vortex-L have had to do with Mary's identity and motivations. Yes, indeed, this is grand progress. Good work, gentlemen, pat yourselves on the back. Three posts of the many in this thread have to do with the original topic. The rest have to do with the Mary legacy. Think about that. And maybe, just maybe, drop this garbage, and let's get back to the fun stuff that Vortex used to be about. --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-01-29 09:17, Wolf Fischer wrote: On the LENR Facebook page, someone wrote that it perhaps is not a bad thing but more of a joke: http://www.facebook.com/**EnergyCatalyzerhttp://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer Giuliano Bettini http://www.facebook.com/**profile.php?id=11824886432http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=11824886432 ** @Patrick. It's not properly a bad news. In Italian it's something like a joke IMO It looks like this is actually nothing as bad as what has been implied by ecatnews.com, but more like an inside joke for Italian speakers only, according to Passerini himself in a comment here: http://22passi.blogspot.com/**2012/01/il-lustro-di-22-passi-** episodio-25366.htmlhttp://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/il-lustro-di-22-passi-episodio-25366.html Personally I don't have any idea of what was that joke about, however. Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Am I missing something? I posted a link to a post-ban MY post. http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/24/university-of-bologna-terminates-relationship-with-rossi/#comment-2931
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
@Patrick From D22 (http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/il-lustro-di-22-passi-episodio-25366.html): @Tizzie Per favore, dì al tuo amico di riferire a quelli di Vortex che hanno frainteso in pieno, che non c'è nulla di pruriginoso dietro le mie parole, che non c'entra nulla l'E-Cat, Rossi, UniBO ecc. CHE ERA SOLO UNA BATTUTA RIVOLTA AL PUBBLICO ITALIANO! Ma possibile... In summary it says:STOP IT RIGHT THERE IT WAS A JOKE FOR THE ITALIAN READERS!... mic 2012/1/29 Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com: I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-01-29 09:17, Wolf Fischer wrote: On the LENR Facebook page, someone wrote that it perhaps is not a bad thing but more of a joke: http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzer Giuliano Bettini http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=11824886432 @Patrick. It's not properly a bad news. In Italian it's something like a joke IMO It looks like this is actually nothing as bad as what has been implied by ecatnews.com, but more like an inside joke for Italian speakers only, according to Passerini himself in a comment here: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/01/il-lustro-di-22-passi-episodio-25366.html Personally I don't have any idea of what was that joke about, however. Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote: I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. I probably used the wrong term: not really a joke, but something that only the Italian audience would understand. I think (but I'm not sure) Daniele was referring to the chance that the E-Cat (and cold fusion in general) might be discussed on a local TV show called Voyager [1][2] which investigates conspiracies, paranormal activities, UFOs, mysteries, etc. As far as I understand this show deals with the subjects treated with excessive credulity and almost total lack of skepticism in a sort of flamboyant style, and for this reason it is often ridiculed and parodied [3] by the rest of the media and not taken very seriously by them and the informed public. So, if footage of the E-Cat and people involved with it or LENR and cold fusion in general were to appear in this show, both them and their supporters would be mocked up by skeptics for some time; just in Italy, however. Anyway, this is just my speculation and educated guess by reading other related comments on that site, I'm not sure if it's really what he was referring about. It might as well been tongue-in-cheek that I didn't get. [1] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_%28programma_televisivo%29 [2] http://www.voyager.rai.it/ [3] http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kazzenger Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Here a typical episode about UFO sightings in the '70. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbLJRMOaCAfeature=related On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote: I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. I probably used the wrong term: not really a joke, but something that only the Italian audience would understand. I think (but I'm not sure) Daniele was referring to the chance that the E-Cat (and cold fusion in general) might be discussed on a local TV show called Voyager [1][2] which investigates conspiracies, paranormal activities, UFOs, mysteries, etc. As far as I understand this show deals with the subjects treated with excessive credulity and almost total lack of skepticism in a sort of flamboyant style, and for this reason it is often ridiculed and parodied [3] by the rest of the media and not taken very seriously by them and the informed public. So, if footage of the E-Cat and people involved with it or LENR and cold fusion in general were to appear in this show, both them and their supporters would be mocked up by skeptics for some time; just in Italy, however. Anyway, this is just my speculation and educated guess by reading other related comments on that site, I'm not sure if it's really what he was referring about. It might as well been tongue-in-cheek that I didn't get. [1] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Voyager_%28programma_**televisivo%29http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_%28programma_televisivo%29 [2] http://www.voyager.rai.it/ [3] http://www.youtube.com/**results?search_query=kazzengerhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kazzenger Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I have watched the Voyager show many times and it deals with various scientific topics in a serious way. It is a respected show. If the e-cat featured on Voyager, it would be a good thing not a bad thing. I'm still not convinced about Passerini's inside italian joke u-turn. But anyway, no proof either way, until Passerini cares to explain! On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.comwrote: Here a typical episode about UFO sightings in the '70. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbLJRMOaCAfeature=related On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote: I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. I probably used the wrong term: not really a joke, but something that only the Italian audience would understand. I think (but I'm not sure) Daniele was referring to the chance that the E-Cat (and cold fusion in general) might be discussed on a local TV show called Voyager [1][2] which investigates conspiracies, paranormal activities, UFOs, mysteries, etc. As far as I understand this show deals with the subjects treated with excessive credulity and almost total lack of skepticism in a sort of flamboyant style, and for this reason it is often ridiculed and parodied [3] by the rest of the media and not taken very seriously by them and the informed public. So, if footage of the E-Cat and people involved with it or LENR and cold fusion in general were to appear in this show, both them and their supporters would be mocked up by skeptics for some time; just in Italy, however. Anyway, this is just my speculation and educated guess by reading other related comments on that site, I'm not sure if it's really what he was referring about. It might as well been tongue-in-cheek that I didn't get. [1] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Voyager_%28programma_**televisivo%29http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_%28programma_televisivo%29 [2] http://www.voyager.rai.it/ [3] http://www.youtube.com/**results?search_query=kazzengerhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kazzenger Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I can confirm what Akira says, Daniele has explained me too. Re bad (worts)news, my guess was that the Rossi recipe will be published in the big US, Chinese, Russian, Hindi, Brazilian, Canadian and Eschimoo press this week- but this was not confirmed. So let's forget it. Peter On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote: I have watched the Voyager show many times and it deals with various scientific topics in a serious way. It is a respected show. If the e-cat featured on Voyager, it would be a good thing not a bad thing. I'm still not convinced about Passerini's inside italian joke u-turn. But anyway, no proof either way, until Passerini cares to explain! On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Here a typical episode about UFO sightings in the '70. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbLJRMOaCAfeature=related On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-01-29 22:43, Patrick Ellul wrote: I really doubt that it was a joke. I understand italian and italian culture very well. And he was talking very seriously. he mentioned videos. and posted twice about it. So if it was a joke, it needs explanation. Otherwise maybe he found out that the bad news he had was not true, and is now claiming he was joking earlier. I probably used the wrong term: not really a joke, but something that only the Italian audience would understand. I think (but I'm not sure) Daniele was referring to the chance that the E-Cat (and cold fusion in general) might be discussed on a local TV show called Voyager [1][2] which investigates conspiracies, paranormal activities, UFOs, mysteries, etc. As far as I understand this show deals with the subjects treated with excessive credulity and almost total lack of skepticism in a sort of flamboyant style, and for this reason it is often ridiculed and parodied [3] by the rest of the media and not taken very seriously by them and the informed public. So, if footage of the E-Cat and people involved with it or LENR and cold fusion in general were to appear in this show, both them and their supporters would be mocked up by skeptics for some time; just in Italy, however. Anyway, this is just my speculation and educated guess by reading other related comments on that site, I'm not sure if it's really what he was referring about. It might as well been tongue-in-cheek that I didn't get. [1] http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Voyager_%28programma_**televisivo%29http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_%28programma_televisivo%29 [2] http://www.voyager.rai.it/ [3] http://www.youtube.com/**results?search_query=kazzengerhttp://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kazzenger Cheers, S.A. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing the videos in question. On a side note, following link-to-link (as the internet often pulls rail-switches on my trains of thought), I ran across this gem: Are you attempting to mislead like the transgendered George ‘Mary Yugo’ Hody of Thermonetics Corporation? Is this the identity of our mysterious MY? Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:14:49 -0200 From: danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) I have an announcement.. uhm. It has nothing to do with Bologna, where everything is going well. It has nothing to do with the fact that I’m more than convinced that one day the (honest) skeptics that have painted us as believers will have to apologize. But alas, today I came to know of something for which we will be made fun of for a while before the e-cat story comes to a happy end. Remember these words and prepare yourself to be mocked. In a further comment he gives this (Again, translated by AB): @ Guido52 No, I was referring to something that will involve Focardi, Rossi and (!) Celani. When it happens you will understand what I meant. For the nth time (a neologism made for you): I DON’T CARE WHETHER ROSSI COMMERCIALIZES IN A YEAR OR TEN. OK, I hope it happens as soon as possible, but I mostly care about HAVING EXPERIMENTS BEING DONE AT UNIBO. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT ON THE DAY THIS FALLS THROUGH, I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO CRITICIZE ROSSI. Why he has released these videos is a mystery to me. At least you have to acknowledge that if he truly was a crook, he would only be hurting himself. http://ecatnews.com/?p=1950 -- Daniel Rocha - rjdanieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I'm looking forward to seeing the videos in question. On a side note, following link-to-link (as the internet often pulls rail-switches on my trains of thought), I ran across this gem: Are you attempting to mislead like the transgendered George ‘Mary Yugo’ Hody of Thermonetics Corporation? Is this the identity of our mysterious MY? It does all fit. I know from posts elsewhere that MY was in San Diego. It is also evidenced by the fact that MY did not post before 11 am ET and posted well into the night. There is a George Lawrence Hody found on whitepages.com in San Diego who shows up in: http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/La-Jolla/george-hody/52156482.aspx He is a 71 yr old male. Vice president of Thermonetics Corp, 7834 Esterel Drive, La Jolla, CA 92037-3523. The company is described as: Thermonetics Corp in La Jolla, CA is a private company categorized under Transducers for Volts, Amperes, Watts, Vars, Frequency, Etc.. Our records show it was established in 1968 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4. T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: It does all fit. Apparently wrote a book: http://goo.gl/iQbcd The design of a literature file in aircraft-related environmental medicine George L. Hody, GEOSCIENCE LTD SOLANA BEACH CALIF. 0 Reviews Defense Technical Information Center, 1969 - 34 pages The U.S. Army Aeromedical Research Laboratory (USAARL) is often required to make specialized measurements and perform applied research in aircraft-related areas of environmental medicine. Rapid access to the periodical literature is essential for the completion of many of these projects. A growing file of reprints from the periodical literature is available at USAARL. A method for the orderly storage of the reprints in printed form and a separate scheme for rapid retrieval of abstracts was developed for the file. Both methods were based upon the natural organization of the data. Storage of papers within the file will be based on the major topic of each reprint while retrieval will be accomplished by the use of key words. The combined system is expandable and can be easily adapted to a variety of mechanical, electro-optical and computer storage and retrieval methods. (Author). T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I have been reading Mary's stuff since the early Steorn days and if she is not a woman I will eat my hat.
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Would you like some hot sauce with that hat? -Original Message- From: Vorl Bek I have been reading Mary's stuff since the early Steorn days and if she is not a woman I will eat my hat.
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Would you like some hot sauce with that hat? Now, we would not want Vorl to suffer mercury poisoning, would we. The more I dig into these people, the more I'm certain MY is outed. It's also looking a bit spooky with deer and all. T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On 01/28/2012 04:55 PM, Vorl Bek wrote: I have been reading Mary's stuff since the early Steorn days and if she is not a woman I will eat my hat. I always suspected Mary was a man. I was almost sure, in fact. I expected he to be around 50, not 70, though. I suspect he must be in good shape, being a sportsman at golf, or something like that. I also suspected Mary was two people instead of one, but that's probably due my native tongue; in Spanish, Mary Yugo sounds like Mary y Hugo, which translates to Mary and Hugo. Regarding your new diet, you can watch the nice little short called Werner Herzog eats his shoe as an inspiration, where Herzog cooks and eats his shoe in public. Another recommendation, coming right from Werner: for the same reason that you don't usually eat the chicken's bones when eating chicken, you can avoid eating the hard or inorganic parts of your hat when eating it, without essentially betraying your own words.
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I vote for stopping the discussion about MY's real identity right here. This is not what I read this mailing list for, and I'd hate to see another thousand e-mails about revealing identities. (And she's not welcome to defend herself, remember? which is different from last time). Andre On 01/28/2012 04:30 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 01/28/2012 04:55 PM, Vorl Bek wrote: I have been reading Mary's stuff since the early Steorn days and if she is not a woman I will eat my hat. I always suspected Mary was a man. I was almost sure, in fact. I expected he to be around 50, not 70, though. I suspect he must be in good shape, being a sportsman at golf, or something like that. I also suspected Mary was two people instead of one, but that's probably due my native tongue; in Spanish, Mary Yugo sounds like Mary y Hugo, which translates to Mary and Hugo. Regarding your new diet, you can watch the nice little short called Werner Herzog eats his shoe as an inspiration, where Herzog cooks and eats his shoe in public. Another recommendation, coming right from Werner: for the same reason that you don't usually eat the chicken's bones when eating chicken, you can avoid eating the hard or inorganic parts of your hat when eating it, without essentially betraying your own words.
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Agreed. Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:48:47 -0400 From: andre_vor...@blums.nl To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) I vote for stopping the discussion about MY's real identity right here. This is not what I read this mailing list for, and I'd hate to see another thousand e-mails about revealing identities. (And she's not welcome to defend herself, remember? which is different from last time). Andre On 01/28/2012 04:30 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 01/28/2012 04:55 PM, Vorl Bek wrote: I have been reading Mary's stuff since the early Steorn days and if she is not a woman I will eat my hat. I always suspected Mary was a man. I was almost sure, in fact. I expected he to be around 50, not 70, though. I suspect he must be in good shape, being a sportsman at golf, or something like that. I also suspected Mary was two people instead of one, but that's probably due my native tongue; in Spanish, Mary Yugo sounds like Mary y Hugo, which translates to Mary and Hugo. Regarding your new diet, you can watch the nice little short called Werner Herzog eats his shoe as an inspiration, where Herzog cooks and eats his shoe in public. Another recommendation, coming right from Werner: for the same reason that you don't usually eat the chicken's bones when eating chicken, you can avoid eating the hard or inorganic parts of your hat when eating it, without essentially betraying your own words.
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: I vote for stopping the discussion about MY's real identity right here. I vote all you johnny-come-latelys quit telling us old farts who have supported this forum for over 15 years to quit telling us what you do and do not want us to discuss. :-Þ T
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Plus - think about this Andre - We absolutely must get to the bottom of this identity crisis now, since could be an important issue in the context of doing accurate calorimetry in the future ! George's animosity to LENR is so irrational, compulsive and severe, that it is not ruled out that when someone (not necessarily Ed Storms but anyone) who George knows is associated with LENR orders calorimetry supplies from his company, that he might actually try to sabotage that equipment in a subtle way that allows him (George) to undermine the effort by showing later (and unbeknownst to the victim) that the equipment they got is defective. Let's be clear on this: MY/George has demonstrated a pathological level of obsession with proving this technology wrong. That is fact! This does not mean he would take it to another level - but do you want to take that risk? I think not! That kind of person is so unbalanced that you cannot tell to what extremes they could go to justify their own irrationality. Jones -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Andre Blum wrote: I vote for stopping the discussion about MY's real identity right here. I vote all you johnny-come-latelys quit telling us old farts who have supported this forum for over 15 years to quit telling us what you do and do not want us to discuss. :-Þ T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: That kind of person is so unbalanced that you cannot tell to what extremes they could go to justify their own irrationality. True. Plus there's possibly other ulterior motives. MY has gone as silent as AG. T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily. (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere). - Original Message - On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net MY has gone as silent as AG.
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Ulterior motives? Hmm ... Not anything obvious popping into view. Maybe he sold nickel short, back in November, and hoped to reverse the recent rise? BTW - what is the huge Rossi bad thing that started this thread? Could it get any worse for him, really ? National Instruments backing out of the deal? That would be huge, but they would never announce it. Another indictment in Italy? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton That kind of person is so unbalanced that you cannot tell to what extremes they could go to justify their own irrationality. True. Plus there's possibly other ulterior motives. MY has gone as silent as AG. T attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
maybe they are the same ? #8*O [?] 2012/1/28 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily. (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere). - Original Message - On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net MY has gone as silent as AG. 338.gif
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Passerini says it is bad news for Rossi, Focardi, AND Celani. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: maybe they are the same ? #8*O [?] 2012/1/28 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily. (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere). - Original Message - On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net MY has gone as silent as AG. -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever! 338.gif
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ulterior motives? Hmm ... Not anything obvious popping into view. Maybe he sold nickel short, back in November, and hoped to reverse the recent rise? Suppose there were financial incentives to incense the researchers and create chaos? BTW - what is the huge Rossi bad thing that started this thread? Could it get any worse for him, really ? You know me, Conspiracy Theorist Extraordinaire, but would money work in lieu of threats? Remember Celani was once involved in remediation of radioactive waste like the Cincinnati group. It is alleged that he once said something like Three people have already been killed and I don't want to be the fourth. This was when the Yucca Mtn. project was still hot, so to speak. (Thanks to Monteverde for reminding me of this.) T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily. (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere). Oh yea? Where? T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Among friends : January 24, 2012 at 08:03 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/24/university-of-bologna-terminates-relationship-with-rossi/#comment-2931 Maybe on Gibbs/Forbes, too. - Original Message - On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily. (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere). Oh yea? Where?
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
The statement at UNIBO indicates they will publish independent results: However, the Department of Physics has made available its experience and its equipment to carry out independent measurements on the production of heat by equipment called E-cat in order to provide an answer to the entire scientific community and the general public about the phenomenon. The measurement results will be published. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=autotl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.magazine.unibo.it%2Fmagazine%2Funiversita%2F2012%2F01%2F26%2F) But Rossi doesn't seem eager to confirm: Bernie Koppenhofer January 26th, 2012 at 10:46 AM Mr. Rossi: As I understand the little tiff you are having with the University of Bologna, they will not do the research without revealing your intellectual property rights. Of course you you will not sign such a contract, and rightfully so. Does this sum up this little disagreement? Andrea Rossi January 26th, 2012 at 4:07 PM DEAR BERNIE KOPPENHOFER: I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ALL THIS FUSS AROUND THE UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA STUFF: WE, THE E-CAT PEOPLE, MAKE RD WITH CONSULTANTS , SUPPLIERS, PARTNERS AND UNIVERSITIES WE CHOOSE TIME BY TIME FOR SPECIFIC TASKS AND THIS DOES NOT BELONG TO PUBLIC INFORMATION. WHAT COUNTS FOR THE PUBLIC IS THAT OUR PRODUCTS WORK PROPERLY. AS USUAL THE PUPPET SNAKES ARE MAKING MUCH ADO FOR NOTHING, WITH THE HELP OF SOME PRIMADONNA (OR WANNABE SO). WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:55:42 -0800 From: a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) Among friends : January 24, 2012 at 08:03 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/24/university-of-bologna-terminates-relationship-with-rossi/#comment-2931 Maybe on Gibbs/Forbes, too. - Original Message - On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: MY has been banned, AG left (presumably) voluntarily. (I've seen a few recent MY posts elsewhere). Oh yea? Where?
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Among friends : January 24, 2012 at 08:03 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/24/university-of-bologna-terminates-relationship-with-rossi/#comment-2931 maryyugo says: January 24, 2012 at 08:03 Am I missing something? T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
At 10:04 PM 1/28/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Among friends : January 24, 2012 at 08:03 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/01/24/university-of-bologna-terminates-relationship-with-rossi/#comment-2931 maryyugo says: January 24, 2012 at 08:03 Am I missing something? I have no idea what you might think you are missing. That was written like Mary Yugo. By the way, I'm disappointed by all the Mary Yugo bashing. I did not find MY's skepticism to be severe or particularly extreme, compared to plenty I've seen. Maybe I missed something, but speculation that a company that makes calorimetry equipment would sabotage that equipment when selling it to a cold fusion researcher, merely because a skeptic works there, is libelous and utterly out of place. Remember, skeptics don't believe that cold fusion works, so they wouldn't need to sabotage the equipment, in fact they would want it to work perfectly, and sending sabotaged calorimetry equipment to a serious researcher would be a formula for discovery and loss. It's not like they are selling black boxes, to be used as be-all and end-all devices that simply tell you what's so. Rather, that speculation is more of a sign of imbalanced thinking than anything I saw from Mary Yugo.
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Abd: Yes, you did indeed miss something... You are really out of touch with what went on, and WHY she was ultimately banned... Tell you what... you go back and read ALL 900+ of her (his) postings since only 11/10/2011, and then tell me that you still think that! Out of those 900+ postings, I would bet that 800+ were simply repetitious postings about Rossi's contradictory statements, the inconclusive 'demos', the unknown customer, and her 'suspicions' about Rossi's behavior and business practices. VERY LITTLE TECHNICAL CONTENT, and conclusions which the Collective had ALREADY settled on or mentioned by April of last year (and here she (he) was beating the pulverized horse in Nov/Dec timeframe). People were leaving the forum because there were over 100 unread postings in 24 hours (now we're down to less than 30)... so it was impacting the forum in a negative way... As the one who 'rode her ass' a number of times, I have said that her (his) technical criticisms were WELCOME... but to lay off the focus on the personalities. She ignored all suggestions and continued with the barrage of postings... She (he) deserved to be banned, and this forum is much better off and more functional without her (his) presence. -Mark -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) snip By the way, I'm disappointed by all the Mary Yugo bashing. I did not find MY's skepticism to be severe or particularly extreme, compared to plenty I've seen. Maybe I missed something, but speculation that a company that makes calorimetry equipment would sabotage that equipment when selling it to a cold fusion researcher, merely because a skeptic works there, is libelous and utterly out of place. snip
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
Agreed, 110%... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 1:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini) On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: I vote for stopping the discussion about MY's real identity right here. I vote all you johnny-come-latelys quit telling us old farts who have supported this forum for over 15 years to quit telling us what you do and do not want us to discuss. :-Þ T
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: By the way, I'm disappointed by all the Mary Yugo bashing. I did not find MY's skepticism to be severe or particularly extreme, compared to plenty I've seen. Well, as a semi-interested outsider who'd love a cheap (essentially fuel-less) heater for my home, the way things look to me on this is simply, rule #2 is thrown around here generously, but no one seems to read the parts about derision and ad-hominem being banned, and go back to the science. Maybe I missed something, but speculation that a company that makes calorimetry equipment would sabotage that equipment when selling it to a cold fusion researcher, merely because a skeptic works there, is libelous and utterly out of place. It isn't libelous unless it's questioning Ampenergo or Defkalion. :) Rather, that speculation is more of a sign of imbalanced thinking than anything I saw from Mary Yugo. Funny how that works, isn't it? She is banned, and now generates even more discussion based on who she is, and what she is suspected of doing or whatever that case may be. Keep going, gentlemen, maybe you'll create a martyr for someone. None of the rest of this is directed at you, Abd. You are all so bloody wrapped around the axle about this you've gone off into a wonderland of speculation and digging into places you have no business AS PER THE RULES OF THE FORUM. Funny also that the bleeding hearts aren't throwing a fit about accusations of assumed gender identity and/or speculations about crossdressing. Hell, maybe Mary Yugo is actually M*A*S*H's Maxwell Klinger after all. Maybe Rossi is the savior of man with his reactor, but spends his nights getting off to Hawaiian hula dancers traipsing atop blocks of borated paraffin. Who knows? It does NOT matter to the science one bit. The long and the short of it is, and plenty of you are apparently not courageous enough to admit it, you get off on keeping this going. If you've got the guts, admit it. If not, get back to the science like you whined about for months, and leave this damn subject to rest in peace. I fully expect to get banned for this. And to tell you the truth, I don't give a damn. --Kyle
RE: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: As the one who 'rode her ass' a number of times, I have said that her (his) technical criticisms were WELCOME... but to lay off the focus on the personalities. Good idea. Discussing the science and analysis of the tests is what we should be talking about. Except that you and others are now doing exactly what you say she was banned for. Focusing on the personal nature/personalities. Why don't you do as you suggested before, drop this garbage, and let us get back to the real heart of the matter, the technology (whatever it is) itself? But it's a much different taste when the tables are turned, isn't it? You (not just you personally, Mark, a bunch of you) really didn't like what Mary had to say, and it pissed you off so much you just can't drop it. You have to dig it back up and keep going with it. The desire for the last word, the last insult, is just too much. And who can blame you? No one. You're only human, after all, and just as fallible as any of the skeptics you so despise. Meanwhile, the rest of us are all hoping, or praying, whatever the case may be, for a truly revolutionary thing that gives us essentially free (or at least far cheaper) heat during the winter, or clean water. She ignored all suggestions and continued with the barrage of postings... She (he) deserved to be banned, and this forum is much better off and more functional without her (his) presence. Yes, by my count things have drastically improved. In the last 24 hours, only a little greater than 50% of postings to Vortex-L have had to do with Mary's identity and motivations. Yes, indeed, this is grand progress. Good work, gentlemen, pat yourselves on the back. Three posts of the many in this thread have to do with the original topic. The rest have to do with the Mary legacy. Think about that. And maybe, just maybe, drop this garbage, and let's get back to the fun stuff that Vortex used to be about. --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:A huge Rossi (bad) thing to be revealed soon. (Daniele Passerini)
I agree, this weekend's diversion regarding Maryyugo's secret identity is just slightly less irratating then last weekends free for all. Why can't the Vortex get back to real science. Ransom Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2012, at 11:58 PM, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: As the one who 'rode her ass' a number of times, I have said that her (his) technical criticisms were WELCOME... but to lay off the focus on the personalities. Good idea. Discussing the science and analysis of the tests is what we should be talking about. Except that you and others are now doing exactly what you say she was banned for. Focusing on the personal nature/personalities. Why don't you do as you suggested before, drop this garbage, and let us get back to the real heart of the matter, the technology (whatever it is) itself? But it's a much different taste when the tables are turned, isn't it? You (not just you personally, Mark, a bunch of you) really didn't like what Mary had to say, and it pissed you off so much you just can't drop it. You have to dig it back up and keep going with it. The desire for the last word, the last insult, is just too much. And who can blame you? No one. You're only human, after all, and just as fallible as any of the skeptics you so despise. Meanwhile, the rest of us are all hoping, or praying, whatever the case may be, for a truly revolutionary thing that gives us essentially free (or at least far cheaper) heat during the winter, or clean water. She ignored all suggestions and continued with the barrage of postings... She (he) deserved to be banned, and this forum is much better off and more functional without her (his) presence. Yes, by my count things have drastically improved. In the last 24 hours, only a little greater than 50% of postings to Vortex-L have had to do with Mary's identity and motivations. Yes, indeed, this is grand progress. Good work, gentlemen, pat yourselves on the back. Three posts of the many in this thread have to do with the original topic. The rest have to do with the Mary legacy. Think about that. And maybe, just maybe, drop this garbage, and let's get back to the fun stuff that Vortex used to be about. --Kyle
