Well - I would suggest writing to ZG directly - to ask what catalyst Norront
now favors…
However, I have heard that he is not responsive to questions which involve
trade secrets.
Which stands to reason – after all they do plan to go to market with a
commercial product.
From: Teslaalset
I
I watched his presentation via YouTube, but it was not mentioned there
(including the questions part).
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 2:06 PM JonesBeene wrote:
> Check Zeiner-Gundersen’s presentation at ICCF-21. Not sure but it could
> have come out in later questioning.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Teslaalset
Check Zeiner-Gundersen’s presentation at ICCF-21. Not sure but it could have
come out in later questioning.
From: Teslaalset
"In fact, it is now becoming evident what Sindre Zeiner-Gundersen may have
meant when he said that they are no longer using the Shell catalyst (iron
oxide) of Holmlid
"In fact, it is now becoming evident what Sindre Zeiner-Gundersen may have
meant when he said that they are no longer using the Shell catalyst (iron
oxide) of Holmlid but have made an improvement."
What is the source of this statement?
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 5:00 PM JonesBeene wrote:
> Here
I wrote:
> It increases the output/input ratio (COP) simply because it takes less
> electric power to heat the inside to the same temperature.
>
That has no scientific significance. I just thought I should add it to the
list.
JonesBeene wrote:
If the main function of the Mizuno heater wire (very thin resistance wire)
> was merely to raise the gas temperature of the reactor – then an external
> heater could do the same.
>
Note that he did use an external heater before, and it worked, but nowhere
near as well. Perhaps
I wrote:
> I asked Mizuno what sort of sheath heater he uses. He uses a 500 W model,
> such as the Flexible heater "M2 type micro heater" available at this
> website:
>
By the way, the 500 W version is 2 m long. I don't know how he folded it to
fit it into the cell. I asked him.
500 W:
H LV wrote:
Commercial for Kyukyuto.
>
> https://youtu.be/W4rOA20hZvw
>
I love it!
Commercial for Kyukyuto.
https://youtu.be/W4rOA20hZvw
Harry
On Wed., Jun. 19, 2019, 8:49 p.m. Jed Rothwell,
wrote:
>
>
> By the way, the name of that detergent is cute. It is Kyukyuto which is
> the sound clean wet dishes make when you wife them. Kyu! Kyu! Literally and
> figuratively cute.
>
If the main function of the Mizuno heater wire (very thin resistance wire) was
merely to raise the gas temperature of the reactor – then an external heater
could do the same.
However, if the more important function of the heater wire is to provide a IR
light source for plasmon/polariton
Here is a further comment about the Mizuno heater and its possible non-obvious
functionality.
Think of the heater as a IR light source. The heat is actually not the purpose
so much as the photons, which may be close to coherency at the best setting.
IOW the “heater” may server the same
I asked Mizuno what sort of sheath heater he uses. He uses a 500 W model,
such as the Flexible heater "M2 type micro heater" available at this
website:
https://www.monotaro.com/g/03032749/
He says they are all pretty much the same, so he goes by price. I would add
that it has to withstand high
: [Vo]:Mizuno reports increased excess heat
I wrote:
By the way, the name of that detergent is cute. It is Kyukyuto which is the
sound clean wet dishes make when you wife them. Kyu! Kyu!
WIPE them. Not wife. That has to be some kind of Freudian slip.
Ahem, let's keep this here, shall we? What
I wrote:
> By the way, the name of that detergent is cute. It is Kyukyuto which is
> the sound clean wet dishes make when you wife them. Kyu! Kyu!
>
WIPE them. Not wife. That has to be some kind of Freudian slip.
Ahem, let's keep this here, shall we? What happens in Vortex stays in
Vortex. I
Jack Cole wrote:
He probably needs to include more data.
>
There is lots more data in the first paper.
H LV wrote:
In your paper you describe a certain brand of orange scented detergent. Do
> you think a successful replication requires it? Harry
>
See p. 18:
It is not clear whether the choice of detergent or the type of plastic in
the scrubbing brush has an effect on the outcome of this
>
> It is a normal heating curve! It is a calibration. It looks pretty bumpy
> to me. That's ambient temp fluctuations, I think.
Not so. I used the data from his active run to create that chart.
He re-calibrates everything, every time he puts reactors into the box and
> seals it up. He does
In your paper you describe a certain brand of orange scented detergent. Do
you think a successful replication requires it? Harry
On Wed., Jun. 19, 2019, 8:23 p.m. Jed Rothwell,
wrote:
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
>
>> This replication method goes without saying. But what is the plan for
>> continuing
Hi
(I've been lurking VortexL since a long time and this is my first
contribution - sorry for my poor frenglish)
IMO Mizuno is one of the most interesting case in the field of
lenr/CF. Much more solid than people like Rossi for example.
I wonder why Google CF team doesn't integrate him or try to
Axil Axil wrote:
> This replication method goes without saying. But what is the plan for
> continuing improvement of this type of reactor?
>
Here is my plan. First we get a few people to replicate. Then a few more,
say 10. They tell others and 20 more replicate. Then 50 more, then a chain
Jack Cole wrote:
It's not really clear to me whether he re-calibrated everything with the
> new reactor.
>
He re-calibrates everything, every time he puts reactors into the box and
seals it up. He does the procedures graphed in the Calorimetry section of
the new paper. The traverse test and so
JonesBeene wrote:
This experiment is so similar to what has been done before over 30 years –
> what is the one detail which makes it so much more robust?
>
Mizuno has some ideas about that which I hope to translate and put in a new
paper soon.
Ed Storms thinks it is the Pd mechanically bound
Many thanks to Jed. His long connection to Mizuno is valuable for sharing
research with others.
Bob Cook
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:38:26 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno reports increased excess heat
My
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno reports increased excess heat
Here is a bit of a shocker if you haven’t been following this breaking news
closely.
The connection of Mizuno to the Holmlid UDD (ultra dense deuterium) phenomenon
may be closer than most observers are aware.
Late last
It's not really clear to me whether he re-calibrated everything with the
new reactor. In the first set of experiments (first paper), he had two
reactors and would switch between them. The second set, he only shows a
50W calibration and 0W. I graphed input power by reactor temp, and it
looks
Here is some more info. from the invoice for the nickel meshes, from Inada
Kanaami, Inc. It says:
ニッケル200 綾織金網 0.055Ｘ180mesh 200X300 5枚
Let me insert commas. That means:
Nickel 200, twill wire mesh, 0.055 x 180 mesh, 200 x 300, 5 sheets
Nickel-200 is 99.6% nickel. It is described here:
ect: RE: [Vo]:Mizuno reports increased excess heat
Robin,
Another looming possibility is that only sparse nuclear fusion reactions are
happening but most of the thermal gain comes from BEC dominated processes
where mass is converted into energy in such a way that the thermal gain is
more t
Here is a bit of a shocker if you haven’t been following this breaking news
closely.
The connection of Mizuno to the Holmlid UDD (ultra dense deuterium) phenomenon
may be closer than most observers are aware.
Late last year – after the earthquake – Mizuno supplied a test reactor to
Sindre
Robin,
Another looming possibility is that only sparse nuclear fusion reactions are
happening but most of the thermal gain comes from BEC dominated processes
where mass is converted into energy in such a way that the thermal gain is
more than chemical but less than fusion. Most likely the
I made some minor changes to the paper and uploaded a new version. Biggest
change, p. 12:
Rubbing is done with a palladium rod, 100 mm long, diameter 5.0 mm, 99.95%
purity. Before rubbing the mesh, weight it with a precision scale. Then
vigorously rub the entire surface, left and right and up and
I have always thought it important to be isotopically pure when it came to
the material that is active and participate in the LENR reaction because of
quantum mechanical issues. The reason why deuterium is functional in the
R20 reactor may be because it is isotopically pure. Protium might work as
Hi,
Should separation distance between metals prove to be important, then a very
small separation between two metal sheets can be obtained by etching a honeycomb
pattern into fine gold leaf, and using it to separate the two target metal
sheets.
This could allow gas pressures as high as 17 atm.
Hi,
Observation:-
When Hydrino formation energy is used to clone more Hydrinos of the same size,
the maximum energy gain is a factor of about 6. This is pretty close to what
Mizuno is getting.
I wonder if he tried Hydrogen vs. Deuterium, and if the result was different?
(BTW cloning depends on
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:50:45 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>This lack of dense deuterium loading speaks against the old fusion meme,
>doesn't it? The working gas pressure is .003 bar.
At that pressure the MFP ~= 0.2 mm. Maybe the separation distance between Pd
cladding and
I wrote:
> But, in this system, when you load the Ni high, that reduces or prevents
> adsorption into the Ni surface . . .
>
Onto, not into.
People have asked some good questions. I will update the paper to answer
them. Such as:
Q: How long should I rub the mesh?
A: Until the weight
Axil Axil wrote:
This lack of dense deuterium loading speaks against the old fusion meme,
> doesn't it? The working gas pressure is .003 bar.
>
Yup.
Mizuno's opinion is that to generate cold fusion in pure Ni, you need to
load it as high as possible. But, in this system, when you load the Ni
This lack of dense deuterium loading speaks against the old fusion meme,
doesn't it? The working gas pressure is .003 bar.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:40 PM JonesBeene wrote:
> Here is another question for Jed – probably factually unanswerable but
> informed opinion will suffice.
>
>
>
> This
This replication method goes without saying. But what is the plan for
continuing improvement of this type of reactor?
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 7:29 PM Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
> I would like to suggest and experimental modification as follows: . . .
>>
>
> I would like to
Here is another question for Jed – probably factually unanswerable but informed
opinion will suffice.
This experiment is so similar to what has been done before over 30 years –
what is the one detail which makes it so much more robust?
On the basis of a few reads – it looks to me like the one
Axil Axil wrote:
I would like to suggest and experimental modification as follows: . . .
>
I would like to suggest that before you make ANY modifications, no matter
how slight, you should first do it exactly the way we told you to. Then, if
it works, go ahead and modify it to your heart's
I would like to suggest and experimental modification as follows: Instead
of using an internal sheath heater, generate heat by applying a high
frequency square wave alternating current directly to the nickel mesh.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:15 PM Jed Rothwell wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>> A molten
… that’s good, Robin.
Even better would be na organic Rankine cycle (ORC) to convert the modest
temperature gain in the warm fluid into electrical power.
Forget calorimetry when you have enough COP for self-power which is the present
claim.
Nothing proves “net gain” like “self-powering” …
wrote:
> A molten salt coolant in a flow calorimeter with an inlet temperature of
> e.g.
> 300 C and an outlet temperature of 300+ C, would allow both accurate
> measurement
> and high power operation concurrently. The whole should be well insulated
> to
> ensure low losses.
>
That would hold
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:13:26 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>We recommend air-flow calorimetry for this experiment. The reactor walls
>must be hot for this reaction to occur. In previous experiments we used
>water-flow calorimeters with cooling coils up against the reactor
Of course the major assumption will be that this is typical “cold fusion” –
should it be duplicated. But is there more to it than the normal P effect?
Definitely there could be more since this is neither electrolysis nor glow
discharge. It is worth noting that in some ways the mechanism of low
Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I think it is important that the calorimeter not cool the outside wall of
> the reactor much more than this air-flow calorimeter does. I think that
> would interfere with the reaction, or prevent it. That was a problem with
> Mizuno's earlier calorimeter, as we described
JonesBeene wrote:
> Why not put the reactor in a water bath and confirm the excess heat that
> way? … or water flow.
>
I think a water bath would kill the heat. As we wrote in the paper:
We recommend air-flow calorimetry for this experiment. The reactor walls
must be hot for this reaction to
Jed,
Quick question.
Why not put the reactor in a water bath and confirm the excess heat that way? …
or water flow.
Few observers are going to be satisfied with air flow alone. Does high heat
transfer quench the effect?
Jones
From: Jed Rothwell
…Tadahiko Mizuno will report increased
From: Jed Rothwell
…Tadahiko Mizuno will report increased excess heat with nickel mesh coated with
palladium. The results are dramatic, so we decided to upload a preprint of his
paper.
Wow ! This could be huge if it can be replicated – finally an experiment with
high COP at the kilowatt
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