RE: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth?
Blaze: I agree. In addition, if life expectancy suddenly got extended significantly, it would so completely and irrevocably change the way we think and act, that these parochial attitudes would be as obsolete as the dodo bird. They would be replaced by a whole new set of behavior. It is amazing to me how people extrapolate certain societal characteristics to new paradigms without understanding that the paradigm itself would alter things irrevocably. From: Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth? Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult? There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com mailto:gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would be preserved? No way! It would be the wealthy and brutal people. If we had this in the 20th century, Stalin would still be in charge of Russia. J. Gould and the other robber barons would still be running Wall Street. The Kim family would run North Korea forever. In cold fusion, opponents such as Huizenga would make policy for the next 500 years, and they would never allow research. Young people would never be able to contribute, or even grow up. Even James Watt became an impediment to progress at the end of his life. Death leads to turnover. It gives young people with fresh perspectives a chance. Most great science is done by young people. If the old scientists never get out the way, new ideas will never be published. I agree with Max Planck. Death is sad for the individual, but it is a blessing to society, and it is essential. - Jed
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In addition, if life expectancy suddenly got extended significantly, it would so completely and irrevocably change the way we think and act, that these parochial attitudes would be as obsolete as the dodo bird. Exactly ! Talking about revolutions in thinking. The idea that death is good and necessary is so ingrained in many people that is not even a paradigm is some kind of mental block, a spell and sometime I think almost a form of mental illness (that was imposed on us by the social environment almost as a kind pollution). People don't even realize that the future will bring us many ways to enhance human life via augmentation so it is not just about keeping people young, vibrant, active but also improving intelligence, learning and even ethical standards. Even if these goals are not achieved in the immediate future they should be sought as ultimate fundamental rights. Death even natural death by aging (there is no such a thing really given that aging is a neglect by nature not something that is really programmed) is an imposition on the human spirit and it should be eliminated. This should be our highest goal. If you think correctly everything we do is an effort to push away death. When you eat, sleep and so on you do it to preserve your well being. The entire field of medicine is devoted to this effort even if there are few doctors that explicitly understand that the ultimate goal is not to defeat this or that illness but death itself. Even in medical doctor the mental illness of deathism is too ingrained for them to understand what is the ultimate consequence of their profession. There have been many studies showing that extending lives is actually a powerful economic buster and in fact actually a solution to overpopulation given that long lives in almost every country correlates with lower birth rates. The countries that contribute most to population growths are the poor countries with very short average life spans. But radical life extension would bring the most profound revolution ever in our way to think about ourselves and the universe. It would make us dream big and make us project our life over time scales where almost anything could be achieved both at the individual and social level. So please dream big and leave behind this incredible mental prison that is the idea that death is good and necessary. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: Blaze: I agree. In addition, if life expectancy suddenly got extended significantly, it would so completely and irrevocably change the way we think and act, that these parochial attitudes would be as obsolete as the dodo bird. They would be replaced by a whole new set of behavior. It is amazing to me how people extrapolate certain societal characteristics to new paradigms without understanding that the paradigm itself would alter things irrevocably. *From:* Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 9:40 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth? Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult? There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would be preserved? No way! It would be the wealthy and brutal people. If we had this in the 20th century, Stalin would still be in charge of Russia. J. Gould and the other robber barons would still be running Wall Street. The Kim family would run North Korea forever. In cold fusion, opponents such as Huizenga would make policy for the next 500 years, and they would never allow research. Young people would never be able to contribute, or even grow up. Even James Watt became an impediment to progress at the end of his life. Death leads to turnover. It gives young people with fresh perspectives a chance. Most great science is done by young people. If the old scientists never get out the way, new ideas will never be published. I agree with Max Planck. Death is sad for the individual, but it is a blessing to society, and it is essential. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth?
Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult? There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would be preserved? No way! It would be the wealthy and brutal people. If we had this in the 20th century, Stalin would still be in charge of Russia. J. Gould and the other robber barons would still be running Wall Street. The Kim family would run North Korea forever. In cold fusion, opponents such as Huizenga would make policy for the next 500 years, and they would never allow research. Young people would never be able to contribute, or even grow up. Even James Watt became an impediment to progress at the end of his life. Death leads to turnover. It gives young people with fresh perspectives a chance. Most great science is done by young people. If the old scientists never get out the way, new ideas will never be published. I agree with Max Planck. Death is sad for the individual, but it is a blessing to society, and it is essential. - Jed
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True religion -- religion without quotation marks -- must incorporate sex which includes death as part of our billion year heritage as multicellular organisms. There is, however, a conflict between the evolution of eusociality (as in insects and civilizations) and sex manifest in the ultimate expression of eusociality in parasitically castrated sterile castes in, for example, ants, bees and termites as well as naked mole rats. People think the distinction between social and eusocial evolution is merely a zoological curiosity, but the man who is perhaps the world's foremost authority on eusociality has written his magnum opus declaring eusociality to be The Social Conquest of Earth http://longnow.org/seminars/02012/apr/20/social-conquest-earth/. No one who cares about the biosphere and preservation of its diversity can responsibly ignore his warning. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult? There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would be preserved? No way! It would be the wealthy and brutal people. If we had this in the 20th century, Stalin would still be in charge of Russia. J. Gould and the other robber barons would still be running Wall Street. The Kim family would run North Korea forever. In cold fusion, opponents such as Huizenga would make policy for the next 500 years, and they would never allow research. Young people would never be able to contribute, or even grow up. Even James Watt became an impediment to progress at the end of his life. Death leads to turnover. It gives young people with fresh perspectives a chance. Most great science is done by young people. If the old scientists never get out the way, new ideas will never be published. I agree with Max Planck. Death is sad for the individual, but it is a blessing to society, and it is essential. - Jed
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Yes, and Rossi is not a spring chicken, attesting to the creativity and productivity of people with several years of experience under their belt. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: At the rate that Rossi and the other applications for LENR are advancing we might all need an extension if we are to see the fruit of our labors. Let's work hard to speed up the progress. Dave -Original Message- From: Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 11:35 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth? Blaze: I agree. In addition, if life expectancy suddenly got extended significantly, it would so completely and irrevocably change the way we think and act, that these parochial attitudes would be as obsolete as the dodo bird. They would be replaced by a whole new set of behavior. It is amazing to me how people extrapolate certain societal characteristics to new paradigms without understanding that the paradigm itself would alter things irrevocably. *From:* Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com blazespinna...@gmail.com?] *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 9:40 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth? Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult? There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would be preserved? No way! It would be the wealthy and brutal people. If we had this in the 20th century, Stalin would still be in charge of Russia. J. Gould and the other robber barons would still be running Wall Street. The Kim family would run North Korea forever. In cold fusion, opponents such as Huizenga would make policy for the next 500 years, and they would never allow research. Young people would never be able to contribute, or even grow up. Even James Watt became an impediment to progress at the end of his life. Death leads to turnover. It gives young people with fresh perspectives a chance. Most great science is done by young people. If the old scientists never get out the way, new ideas will never be published. I agree with Max Planck. Death is sad for the individual, but it is a blessing to society, and it is essential. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth?
At the rate that Rossi and the other applications for LENR are advancing we might all need an extension if we are to see the fruit of our labors. Let's work hard to speed up the progress. Dave -Original Message- From: Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 11:35 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth? Blaze: I agree. In addition, if life expectancy suddenly got extended significantly, it would so completely and irrevocably change the way we think and act, that these parochial attitudes would be as obsolete as the dodo bird. They would be replaced by a whole new set of behavior. It is amazing to me how people extrapolate certain societal characteristics to new paradigms without understanding that the paradigm itself would alter things irrevocably. From: Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth? Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult? There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would be preserved? No way! It would be the wealthy and brutal people. If we had this in the 20th century, Stalin would still be in charge of Russia. J. Gould and the other robber barons would still be running Wall Street. The Kim family would run North Korea forever. In cold fusion, opponents such as Huizenga would make policy for the next 500 years, and they would never allow research. Young people would never be able to contribute, or even grow up. Even James Watt became an impediment to progress at the end of his life. Death leads to turnover. It gives young people with fresh perspectives a chance. Most great science is done by young people. If the old scientists never get out the way, new ideas will never be published. I agree with Max Planck. Death is sad for the individual, but it is a blessing to society, and it is essential. - Jed
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The Eschimoo style retirement system is a partial solution. I have confronted it for almost 16 years. Peter On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: It would not surprise me to learn that the Vort Collective is infested with a highe percentage of seniors who are older than me. I guess Australia is no longer on the table for the disposal of riff-raff. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth?
It would not surprise me to learn that the Vort Collective is infested with a highe percentage of seniors who are older than me. I guess Australia is no longer on the table for the disposal of riff-raff. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
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Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: You know, if we could find a way to the stars, then suddenly, there's plenty of room for anyone who has ever lived, and anyone who wants to live forever. Naah, that just shoves the problem off into the future. See Asimov, The Last Question: http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html Besides, old people are not likely to travel so we we would end up having them clutter up the earth, like the old people who are left in rural districts in Japan after the young people moved to the big cities. That is depressing, let me tell you! The older I get, the less patience I have for old farts. Especially people in science such as Huizenga and Park. I agree with Max Planck that progress in science occurs funeral by funeral. A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. We need to be rid of old people, to give young people their turn. Death is as essential to social evolution as it is to biological evolution. It is essential to technology as well. James Watt was a gifted engineer and he made some of the greatest contributions to technology in history, but when he got old he held up progress. He insisted that steam cylinders should be kept at low pressure for safety. He had great authority and people stuck to his recommendations. After he died, Young Turks began building high pressure cylinders, which reduced the weight of steam engines, and improved the power to weight ratio. Without that, they could not have made things like steam locomotives. - Jed
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The reason people are hysterical about death, including religious from the Abrahamic to Transhumanism, is because civilization is dysgenic and in a dysgenic society every death is a loss of Creation. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: You know, if we could find a way to the stars, then suddenly, there's plenty of room for anyone who has ever lived, and anyone who wants to live forever. Naah, that just shoves the problem off into the future. See Asimov, The Last Question: http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html Besides, old people are not likely to travel so we we would end up having them clutter up the earth, like the old people who are left in rural districts in Japan after the young people moved to the big cities. That is depressing, let me tell you! The older I get, the less patience I have for old farts. Especially people in science such as Huizenga and Park. I agree with Max Planck that progress in science occurs funeral by funeral. A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. We need to be rid of old people, to give young people their turn. Death is as essential to social evolution as it is to biological evolution. It is essential to technology as well. James Watt was a gifted engineer and he made some of the greatest contributions to technology in history, but when he got old he held up progress. He insisted that steam cylinders should be kept at low pressure for safety. He had great authority and people stuck to his recommendations. After he died, Young Turks began building high pressure cylinders, which reduced the weight of steam engines, and improved the power to weight ratio. Without that, they could not have made things like steam locomotives. - Jed
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The way to the stars better be an under-$1000 Portal in every village. Spaceships are too frigin expensive to move any but a tiny fraction of our billions. Ol' Bab On 5/14/2015 7:21 AM, Craig Haynie wrote: On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 07:07 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote: God forbid this should work. The last thing we need is a bunch of old people cluttering up society. [...] You know, if we could find a way to the stars, then suddenly, there's plenty of room for anyone who has ever lived, and anyone who wants to live forever. Craig --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
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James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The reason people are hysterical about death . . . . . . is the same reason all animals are. It is the instinct of self preservation. Even cockroaches are terrified of death. If they were not, predators would have hunted them to extinction eons ago. - Jed
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On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 13:01 -0500, David L. Babcock wrote: The way to the stars better be an under-$1000 Portal in every village. Spaceships are too frigin expensive to move any but a tiny fraction of our billions. Expensive? That thinking is so... 20th century. :) Cheap energy makes everything cheap. Craig
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Death awareness is different from survival instinct. It is death awareness that allows we humans to make value judgements like the one you made about the structure of scientific revolutions, and act on those values. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The reason people are hysterical about death . . . . . . is the same reason all animals are. It is the instinct of self preservation. Even cockroaches are terrified of death. If they were not, predators would have hunted them to extinction eons ago. - Jed
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I looked up dysgenic. Well, maybe I did not get it. I think Jed is correct. I think the problem is that I do not think Jed's analysis includes me.:) All others and the theory is perfect. No, if we need a more sophisticated word than selfishness let us try narcissism. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:15 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The reason people are hysterical about death, including religious from the Abrahamic to Transhumanism, is because civilization is dysgenic and in a dysgenic society every death is a loss of Creation. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: You know, if we could find a way to the stars, then suddenly, there's plenty of room for anyone who has ever lived, and anyone who wants to live forever. Naah, that just shoves the problem off into the future. See Asimov, The Last Question: http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html Besides, old people are not likely to travel so we we would end up having them clutter up the earth, like the old people who are left in rural districts in Japan after the young people moved to the big cities. That is depressing, let me tell you! The older I get, the less patience I have for old farts. Especially people in science such as Huizenga and Park. I agree with Max Planck that progress in science occurs funeral by funeral. A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. We need to be rid of old people, to give young people their turn. Death is as essential to social evolution as it is to biological evolution. It is essential to technology as well. James Watt was a gifted engineer and he made some of the greatest contributions to technology in history, but when he got old he held up progress. He insisted that steam cylinders should be kept at low pressure for safety. He had great authority and people stuck to his recommendations. After he died, Young Turks began building high pressure cylinders, which reduced the weight of steam engines, and improved the power to weight ratio. Without that, they could not have made things like steam locomotives. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth? Portals and ships
You fail to factor in the enormous sheer tonnage of steel and other metals required. Confounding that it's not just peak oil we're at, it's peak nearly everything. Jed would argue, I think, that enough energy combined with engineering and plant materials -renewables- will make feasible cheap replacements for almost any sort of spacecraft components. I argue that the tonnage does you in. Visualize an ocean liner for every small town, a fleet of them for every city. One -big- fleet making round trips till the job is done? Time. Unless FTL. This is Vo, but... Ol' Bab On 5/14/2015 1:03 PM, Craig Haynie wrote: On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 13:01 -0500, David L. Babcock wrote: The way to the stars better be an under-$1000 Portal in every village. Spaceships are too frigin expensive to move any but a tiny fraction of our billions. Expensive? That thinking is so... 20th century. :) Cheap energy makes everything cheap. Craig --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
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David L. Babcock olb...@gmail.com wrote: You fail to factor in the enormous sheer tonnage of steel and other metals required. I suppose a star ship would have to be made of stronger materials than steel. Something more like what you make a space elevator out of. Confounding that it's not just peak oil we're at, it's peak nearly everything. By the time we make star ships, we will already have colonized the solar system. We will have all of the steel, carbon and other materials on all planets and asteroids, which is a far larger mass of material than we have available on earth. However, as I said, I think it would be more convenient to collect a large fraction of the sun's light and convert it back from energy into mass. Assuming this can be done. The sun loses 4 million tons per second in mass-energy conversion. If we collect and convert it back into whatever elements we need, that is enough to build any number of star ships in a short time. The largest cruise ships today are 100,000 tons and they carry 5,000 people. So we could launch 40 cruise ships per second, enough to carry 200,000 people crammed together in 21st century quarters. Say, we launch one ship per second, of 4 million tons, and it carries only 10,000 people in luxury. That would be 700,000 seconds to accommodate the entire present world population. That's 194 hours, or 8 days. Jed would argue, I think, that enough energy combined with engineering and plant materials -renewables- will make feasible cheap replacements for almost any sort of spacecraft components. Not renewable. Extra-terrestrial. I argue that the tonnage does you in. Visualize an ocean liner for every small town, a fleet of them for every city. Visualize 40 ocean liners per second and you will have a more realistic notion of what people will be capable of making -- a few thousand years from now. Not that people will construct such things, of course. Robots will. Trillions and trillions of robots. Most of them no larger than an insect, I suppose. Do not ask where they will come from. That is like asking where bacteria come from. From other bacteria! They are self reproducing. - Jed
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Jed, Deathism is the sickest mental state of humans at the moment. It is like a spell. People glorify and justify death as a good thing. It infuriates me that people advocate death, and it doesn't matter if it is by old age. We are not talking about keeping people in old age frail, cognitive impaired and not productive but keeping people young and healthy for indefinite life spans. This is the most noble and worthwhile goal one can imagine. We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: God forbid this should work. The last thing we need is a bunch of old people cluttering up society. Especially in science this would put an end to progress -- which happens funeral by funeral. - Jed
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Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would be preserved? No way! It would be the wealthy and brutal people. If we had this in the 20th century, Stalin would still be in charge of Russia. J. Gould and the other robber barons would still be running Wall Street. The Kim family would run North Korea forever. In cold fusion, opponents such as Huizenga would make policy for the next 500 years, and they would never allow research. Young people would never be able to contribute, or even grow up. Even James Watt became an impediment to progress at the end of his life. Death leads to turnover. It gives young people with fresh perspectives a chance. Most great science is done by young people. If the old scientists never get out the way, new ideas will never be published. I agree with Max Planck. Death is sad for the individual, but it is a blessing to society, and it is essential. - Jed
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And if people minds are kept young and vibrant there is no need for physical death to bring change and progress. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, Deathism is the sickest mental state of humans at the moment. It is like a spell. People glorify and justify death as a good thing. It infuriates me that people advocate death, and it doesn't matter if it is by old age. We are not talking about keeping people in old age frail, cognitive impaired and not productive but keeping people young and healthy for indefinite life spans. This is the most noble and worthwhile goal one can imagine. We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: God forbid this should work. The last thing we need is a bunch of old people cluttering up society. Especially in science this would put an end to progress -- which happens funeral by funeral. - Jed
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God forbid this should work. The last thing we need is a bunch of old people cluttering up society. Especially in science this would put an end to progress -- which happens funeral by funeral. - Jed
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Giovanni, I think you said it better than I could. I say it is a little bit of narcissism if you want to see the negative side. However, why would it be true that the bad people would be the one surviving , Jed? I am sure you are wrong and making Huizenga an example smacks of poor judgement. He might have had a different opinion. He might have been wrong. His ability to make life good for him is what it is all about in this question. No, it is not as noble as you say Jed. Much more me, myself and I. Anybody reading this wants to say; I am below the level of contribution so let me die. No, nobody wants to say so, I find that good. I think if there is a way of making life interesting and be productive, the date on the birth certificate does not matter. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: And if people minds are kept young and vibrant there is no need for physical death to bring change and progress. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, Deathism is the sickest mental state of humans at the moment. It is like a spell. People glorify and justify death as a good thing. It infuriates me that people advocate death, and it doesn't matter if it is by old age. We are not talking about keeping people in old age frail, cognitive impaired and not productive but keeping people young and healthy for indefinite life spans. This is the most noble and worthwhile goal one can imagine. We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: God forbid this should work. The last thing we need is a bunch of old people cluttering up society. Especially in science this would put an end to progress -- which happens funeral by funeral. - Jed
