[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Alister Scott 
wrote:
> When the domain is up and running I will start a new thread and we can
> start promoting it.

Looking forward to doing some promotion! :)

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

I have sent Paul an email to update the watir.com nameservers.

I have also converted all the http://wtr.rubyforge.org/ content to
http://watir001.wordpress.com/

When the domain is up and running I will start a new thread and we can
start promoting it.

Cheers,
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Paul Rogers]

i asked around about the logo, but no one knew where it was. I just realised
it might even be on one of my pcs here so I'll check in a bit. The graphics
guy I work with will probably redraw it for me if I buy him lunch. I'll
probably need a day or so to get the domain set up.

Paul

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Alister Scott wrote:

>
> > What would you like to do? You've made some proposals. You've gotten
> > some feedback.
>
> Yes. I would like to move ahead with using wordpress to host
> watir.com. I would like to use wordpress.com as it is hosted and
> provides easy user administration and spam protection. It seems my
> second prototype is more popular (http://watir001.wordpress.com/) but
> I need to create a custom header.
>
> > As far as I'm aware, no one else has volunteered to make any of the
> > alternative ideas happen (right?), so the ball is in your court.
>
> Z* has been talking to Patrick about using openqa to host watir.com,
> hence the delay in me writing this message. I personally think it will
> be more complicated than needed to use openqa/confluence so I think we
> can put that idea to rest.
>
> > Please let us know what you propose to do, if anything. Do you need
> > help? If so, what parts do you need help with?
>
> I don't need any major help with setting up the site, besides domain
> name mapping (where Paul is needed) and possibly the logo (need
> decision on whether to continue, if so, need high res PNG format, is
> possible).
>
> Once the site is established, the content will need some refreshing.
> This should be a matter of various people logging in and making some
> changes so it sounds better.
>
> Cheers,
> Alister
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

> What would you like to do? You've made some proposals. You've gotten
> some feedback.

Yes. I would like to move ahead with using wordpress to host
watir.com. I would like to use wordpress.com as it is hosted and
provides easy user administration and spam protection. It seems my
second prototype is more popular (http://watir001.wordpress.com/) but
I need to create a custom header.

> As far as I'm aware, no one else has volunteered to make any of the
> alternative ideas happen (right?), so the ball is in your court.

Z* has been talking to Patrick about using openqa to host watir.com,
hence the delay in me writing this message. I personally think it will
be more complicated than needed to use openqa/confluence so I think we
can put that idea to rest.

> Please let us know what you propose to do, if anything. Do you need
> help? If so, what parts do you need help with?

I don't need any major help with setting up the site, besides domain
name mapping (where Paul is needed) and possibly the logo (need
decision on whether to continue, if so, need high res PNG format, is
possible).

Once the site is established, the content will need some refreshing.
This should be a matter of various people logging in and making some
changes so it sounds better.

Cheers,
Alister
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Bret Pettichord]

Alister,

What would you like to do? You've made some proposals. You've gotten 
some feedback.

As far as I'm aware, no one else has volunteered to make any of the 
alternative ideas happen (right?), so the ball is in your court.

Please let us know what you propose to do, if anything. Do you need 
help? If so, what parts do you need help with?

Bret

Alister Scott wrote:
> It seems like we're going full circle here.
>
> I am not at all 'set' on using wordpress, I just thought it would fit
> the need of being easy to update and provide a custom URL: watir.com.
>
> If we just want to redirect watir.com to 
> http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Project+Home
> then that suits me, as long as everyone else is happy with this.
>
> Cheers,
> Alister
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

It seems like we're going full circle here.

I am not at all 'set' on using wordpress, I just thought it would fit
the need of being easy to update and provide a custom URL: watir.com.

If we just want to redirect watir.com to 
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Project+Home
then that suits me, as long as everyone else is happy with this.

Cheers,
Alister
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Bret Pettichord 
wrote:
> So in other words, you would rather not see Alister set up a wordpress
> site and instead we could just point watir.com to the wiki?

Yes. I thought I said that already. Looks like I was not explicit enough. :)

But, if Alister would like to set up WordPress site, I will be glad to help.
I have a lot of experience with WordPress (I started using it years ago and
I have 3 WordPress sites at the moment). I can even host a site at my
hosting account, there is plenty of space there.

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Bret Pettichord]

Željko Filipin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Bret Pettichord  > wrote:
> > Are you saying that you preferred the scope of the earlier site over
> > what we have now?
>
> I think there is no reason for having web site _and_ wiki, when wiki 
> can contain all that information, and it is easier to edit. And yes, I 
> prefer the scope of the old site.
So in other words, you would rather not see Alister set up a wordpress 
site and instead we could just point watir.com to the wiki?

Bret

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Bret Pettichord 
wrote:
> Are you saying that you preferred the scope of the earlier site over
> what we have now?

I think there is no reason for having web site _and_ wiki, when wiki can
contain all that information, and it is easier to edit. And yes, I prefer
the scope of the old site.

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Bret Pettichord]

Željko Filipin wrote:
> I think watir.com  should only describe Watir in a 
> sentence or two and provide links (with nice big images, as you have 
> already done) to all our sites.
Originally Watir.com was like this.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070626112022/http://wtr.rubyforge.org/

Then several years ago, it seemed like it needed more and I added 
several pages to the site.
http://wtr.rubyforge.org

Are you saying that you preferred the scope of the earlier site over 
what we have now?

Bret

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[tcfodor]

Hey Alister!

Both options look great - good work!  Personally, I prefer the newer
page (watir001), but that's just me.  :)

Thanks for all you've done so far!

-Tiffany

On Jun 11, 5:30 am, Alister Scott  wrote:
> I have created another watir.com wordpress 
> prototype:http://watir001.wordpress.com/
> Check it out and let me know whether you prefer this 
> orhttp://watirweb.wordpress.com/
>
> Cheers,
> Alister
>
> On Jun 11, 6:31 pm, Alister Scott  wrote:
>
> > I haven't exactly decided to move forward with the wordpress idea, it
> > still doesn't address the problem of having information on multiple
> > sites.
>
> > I don't believe we should separate wiki and issues/bugs, as if we
> > continue to use Confluence/JIRA, there are good ways to display JIRA
> > data in Confluence, which would be more difficult if say we used
> > Confluence and GitHub for issues/bugs.
>
> > Are we happy to stick with using Confluence and JIRA on openqa.org for
> > the time being?
>
> > Cheers,
> > Alister
>
> > On Jun 11, 1:58 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>
> > > So it sounds like you've decided to move forward with the wordpress
> > > idea. Do you need help with this?
>
> > > Bret
>
> > > Alister Scott wrote:
> > > > FYI:
> > > > The InfraRecorder open source project used wordpress to store home
> > > > page and info, and then links to other sites including the downloads
> > > > on sourceforge.
> > > >http://infrarecorder.org/
>
> > > --
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> > > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> > > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Alister Scott 
wrote:
> I am not sure whether the header on the first site (http://
> watirweb.wordpress.com/) is too bold.

Hard to say until the header of the first site is on the second site. Give
it a try. Maybe a bit smaller, but maybe it will be fine.

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Alister Scott 
wrote:
> I have created another watir.com wordpress prototype:
http://watir001.wordpress.com/
> Check it out and let me know whether you prefer this or
http://watirweb.wordpress.com/

I like watir001 more.

I think watir.com should only describe Watir in a sentence or two and
provide links (with nice big images, as you have already done) to all our
sites.

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

> > Are we still interested in using the logo that some one did for us? the wave
> > thing in a circle is the best way I can describe it.
>
> I think so, but I would like to find a high resolution version of it,
> so it looks professional. Does someone have the original file created?
>

Oh, and preferably in .png with a transparent background. The problem
I have had with that logo in jpeg form is trying to make the
background transparent.

Cheers,
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Paul Rogers]

i thought there was something in svn, but I really cant be sure. Jonathan
Kohl knew the person who created it, I'll send him an email and see if he
has it

Paul

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alister Scott wrote:

>
> > http://watir001.wordpress.com/- sucky header. Content much easier to
> find (
> > the graphic designer who I work with said that this one has landing
> points
> > for the eye to act on )
> > the other one is hard to find stuff
>
> Agree - I can change the header to any design - graphic or otherwise
>
>
> > Are we still interested in using the logo that some one did for us? the
> wave
> > thing in a circle is the best way I can describe it.
>
> I think so, but I would like to find a high resolution version of it,
> so it looks professional. Does someone have the original file created?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Alister
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

> http://watir001.wordpress.com/- sucky header. Content much easier to find (
> the graphic designer who I work with said that this one has landing points
> for the eye to act on )
> the other one is hard to find stuff

Agree - I can change the header to any design - graphic or otherwise


> Are we still interested in using the logo that some one did for us? the wave
> thing in a circle is the best way I can describe it.

I think so, but I would like to find a high resolution version of it,
so it looks professional. Does someone have the original file created?


Cheers,
Alister
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Paul Rogers]

http://watir001.wordpress.com/ - sucky header. Content much easier to find (
the graphic designer who I work with said that this one has landing points
for the eye to act on )
the other one is hard to find stuff

Are we still interested in using the logo that some one did for us? the wave
thing in a circle is the best way I can describe it.

Paul

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Bret Pettichord wrote:

>
> Chuck van der Linden wrote:
> > The one thing I think needs to be said that isn't on either of those
> > pages is something about the fact we are language agnostic with regard
> > to what's actually driving the site.  Watir is for websites developed
> > with ANY technology.. .net, java, rails, msSQL, MySQL, Postgress, IIS,
> > Apache.. Watir works with all of them.  It doesn't matter what's going
> > on at the back end because we interact with the browser and run on the
> > client, not the server.
> >
> > I think a very common misnomer is that somehow  Watir == Ruby ==
> > Rails. and it's only for testing websites made with Ruby.  We need to
> > dispell that notion right off the bat, so .net and java folks don't
> > see 'Ruby' up there in the name and go looking for something else.
> >
> +1. I've started to include comments to this effect in my training and
> introductions to Watir.
> > that being said I think it would also be nice to have links somewhere
> > to Rspec and Cucumber  as tech we work with, since many folks (myself
> > included) are using those tools along with Watir. .
> >
> To me, this information is not about Watir itself and therefore should
> be in the wiki and not on the website. There are lots of different
> frameworks, and I wouldn't want to give the impression that we only
> supported or recommended some of them.
>
> To me, a key vision of Watir is that it is a driver, not a framework,
> and that users have-to/are-free-to create their own framework for Watir.
> Maybe this vision is what belongs on the website.
>
> Bret
>
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Bret Pettichord]

Chuck van der Linden wrote:
> The one thing I think needs to be said that isn't on either of those
> pages is something about the fact we are language agnostic with regard
> to what's actually driving the site.  Watir is for websites developed
> with ANY technology.. .net, java, rails, msSQL, MySQL, Postgress, IIS,
> Apache.. Watir works with all of them.  It doesn't matter what's going
> on at the back end because we interact with the browser and run on the
> client, not the server.
>   
> I think a very common misnomer is that somehow  Watir == Ruby ==
> Rails. and it's only for testing websites made with Ruby.  We need to
> dispell that notion right off the bat, so .net and java folks don't
> see 'Ruby' up there in the name and go looking for something else.
>   
+1. I've started to include comments to this effect in my training and 
introductions to Watir.
> that being said I think it would also be nice to have links somewhere
> to Rspec and Cucumber  as tech we work with, since many folks (myself
> included) are using those tools along with Watir. .
>   
To me, this information is not about Watir itself and therefore should 
be in the wiki and not on the website. There are lots of different 
frameworks, and I wouldn't want to give the impression that we only 
supported or recommended some of them.

To me, a key vision of Watir is that it is a driver, not a framework, 
and that users have-to/are-free-to create their own framework for Watir. 
Maybe this vision is what belongs on the website.

Bret

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

Yes, I plan on migrating everything over (and more) from
wtr.rubyforge.org.

I was just trying to see what kind of style we want to go for, so I
really should have put the same content in each site.

It seems the second site I created (http://watir001.wordpress.com/) is
generally more liked, but I need to include some more content like
Watir Buzz.

I am not sure whether the header on the first site (http://
watirweb.wordpress.com/) is too bold. I can apply the same thing to
the second site, but it may distract from the other page content, not
sure.

Cheers,
Alister



On Jun 12, 5:13 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> I like the new one better. I'm assuming that all the pages/info
> currently at wtr.rubyforge.org will be migrated over if you decided to
> go with this.
>
> Bret
>
> Alister Scott wrote:
> > I have created another watir.com wordpress 
> > prototype:http://watir001.wordpress.com/
> > Check it out and let me know whether you prefer this 
> > orhttp://watirweb.wordpress.com/
>
> > Cheers,
> > Alister
>
> --
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[George]

I really like the banner on the 2nd link!

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Chuck van der Linden]

Well personally I like the 01 site a bit better..

 That being said, I did like the 'watir buzz' section on the first
one, and it would be neat to see something like that incorporated into
the 01 page.

The one thing I think needs to be said that isn't on either of those
pages is something about the fact we are language agnostic with regard
to what's actually driving the site.  Watir is for websites developed
with ANY technology.. .net, java, rails, msSQL, MySQL, Postgress, IIS,
Apache.. Watir works with all of them.  It doesn't matter what's going
on at the back end because we interact with the browser and run on the
client, not the server.

I think a very common misnomer is that somehow  Watir == Ruby ==
Rails. and it's only for testing websites made with Ruby.  We need to
dispell that notion right off the bat, so .net and java folks don't
see 'Ruby' up there in the name and go looking for something else.

that being said I think it would also be nice to have links somewhere
to Rspec and Cucumber  as tech we work with, since many folks (myself
included) are using those tools along with Watir. .

On Jun 11, 4:30 am, Alister Scott  wrote:
> I have created another watir.com wordpress 
> prototype:http://watir001.wordpress.com/
> Check it out and let me know whether you prefer this 
> orhttp://watirweb.wordpress.com/
>
> Cheers,
> Alister
>
> On Jun 11, 6:31 pm, Alister Scott  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I haven't exactly decided to move forward with the wordpress idea, it
> > still doesn't address the problem of having information on multiple
> > sites.
>
> > I don't believe we should separate wiki and issues/bugs, as if we
> > continue to use Confluence/JIRA, there are good ways to display JIRA
> > data in Confluence, which would be more difficult if say we used
> > Confluence and GitHub for issues/bugs.
>
> > Are we happy to stick with using Confluence and JIRA on openqa.org for
> > the time being?
>
> > Cheers,
> > Alister
>
> > On Jun 11, 1:58 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>
> > > So it sounds like you've decided to move forward with the wordpress
> > > idea. Do you need help with this?
>
> > > Bret
>
> > > Alister Scott wrote:
> > > > FYI:
> > > > The InfraRecorder open source project used wordpress to store home
> > > > page and info, and then links to other sites including the downloads
> > > > on sourceforge.
> > > >http://infrarecorder.org/
>
> > > --
> > > Bret Pettichord
> > > Lead Developer, Watir,www.watir.com
> > > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
> > > Twitter,www.twitter.com/bpettichord- Hide quoted text -
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Bret Pettichord]

I like the new one better. I'm assuming that all the pages/info 
currently at wtr.rubyforge.org will be migrated over if you decided to 
go with this.

Bret

Alister Scott wrote:
> I have created another watir.com wordpress prototype: 
> http://watir001.wordpress.com/
> Check it out and let me know whether you prefer this or 
> http://watirweb.wordpress.com/
>
> Cheers,
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>   

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Bret Pettichord]

Alister Scott wrote:
> I haven't exactly decided to move forward with the wordpress idea, it
> still doesn't address the problem of having information on multiple
> sites.
>   
True.

> I don't believe we should separate wiki and issues/bugs, as if we
> continue to use Confluence/JIRA, there are good ways to display JIRA
> data in Confluence, which would be more difficult if say we used
> Confluence and GitHub for issues/bugs.
>   
I agree, and have used this feature at times.
> Are we happy to stick with using Confluence and JIRA on openqa.org for
> the time being?
>   
I am.

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[Alister Scott]

I have created another watir.com wordpress prototype: 
http://watir001.wordpress.com/
Check it out and let me know whether you prefer this or 
http://watirweb.wordpress.com/

Cheers,
Alister

On Jun 11, 6:31 pm, Alister Scott  wrote:
> I haven't exactly decided to move forward with the wordpress idea, it
> still doesn't address the problem of having information on multiple
> sites.
>
> I don't believe we should separate wiki and issues/bugs, as if we
> continue to use Confluence/JIRA, there are good ways to display JIRA
> data in Confluence, which would be more difficult if say we used
> Confluence and GitHub for issues/bugs.
>
> Are we happy to stick with using Confluence and JIRA on openqa.org for
> the time being?
>
> Cheers,
> Alister
>
> On Jun 11, 1:58 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
>
> > So it sounds like you've decided to move forward with the wordpress
> > idea. Do you need help with this?
>
> > Bret
>
> > Alister Scott wrote:
> > > FYI:
> > > The InfraRecorder open source project used wordpress to store home
> > > page and info, and then links to other sites including the downloads
> > > on sourceforge.
> > >http://infrarecorder.org/
>
> > --
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> > Blog,www.io.com/~wazmo/blog
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

I haven't asked him. I will send an email now.

On Jun 11, 7:12 pm, Željko Filipin 
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Alister Scott 
> wrote:
>
> > Are we happy to stick with using Confluence and JIRA on openqa.org for
> > the time being?
>
> I am.
>
> Have you asked Patrick would he let us have watir.com point to Confluence?
>
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[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Alister Scott 
wrote:
> Are we happy to stick with using Confluence and JIRA on openqa.org for
> the time being?

I am.

Have you asked Patrick would he let us have watir.com point to Confluence?

Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

I haven't exactly decided to move forward with the wordpress idea, it
still doesn't address the problem of having information on multiple
sites.

I don't believe we should separate wiki and issues/bugs, as if we
continue to use Confluence/JIRA, there are good ways to display JIRA
data in Confluence, which would be more difficult if say we used
Confluence and GitHub for issues/bugs.

Are we happy to stick with using Confluence and JIRA on openqa.org for
the time being?

Cheers,
Alister

On Jun 11, 1:58 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> So it sounds like you've decided to move forward with the wordpress
> idea. Do you need help with this?
>
> Bret
>
> Alister Scott wrote:
> > FYI:
> > The InfraRecorder open source project used wordpress to store home
> > page and info, and then links to other sites including the downloads
> > on sourceforge.
> >http://infrarecorder.org/
>
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[Bret Pettichord]

So it sounds like you've decided to move forward with the wordpress 
idea. Do you need help with this?

Bret

Alister Scott wrote:
> FYI:
> The InfraRecorder open source project used wordpress to store home
> page and info, and then links to other sites including the downloads
> on sourceforge.
> http://infrarecorder.org/
>   


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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

FYI:
The InfraRecorder open source project used wordpress to store home
page and info, and then links to other sites including the downloads
on sourceforge.
http://infrarecorder.org/

On Jun 9, 6:18 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> Chuck van der Linden wrote:> Would I be correct to presume that given the 
> current options you
> > listed below, which have us remaining at OpenQA, that there is no
> > longer a concern that they will go 'all things Selenium' on us and
> > we'll be forced to suddenly move on short notice?
>
> That is no longer a concern for me.
>
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[Bret Pettichord]

Chuck van der Linden wrote:
> Would I be correct to presume that given the current options you
> listed below, which have us remaining at OpenQA, that there is no
> longer a concern that they will go 'all things Selenium' on us and
> we'll be forced to suddenly move on short notice?
>   
That is no longer a concern for me.

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Chuck van der Linden]

Thanks for that Bret, it makes it a lot clearer.

Would I be correct to presume that given the current options you
listed below, which have us remaining at OpenQA, that there is no
longer a concern that they will go 'all things Selenium' on us and
we'll be forced to suddenly move on short notice?

On Jun 8, 11:47 am, Bret Pettichord  wrote:
> Let me chime in by trying to restate the problem and why this idea got
> started in the first place.
>
> 1. The current home page for Watir (at wtr.rubyforge.com) is hard for
> the community to update. It is a webgen-based website, stored with the
> Watir code base. Any one with commit rights to Watir can modify these
> pages. They also need admin rights to our Rubyforge.org account to post
> updates. To date, only Charley and I have updated this website. Before
> we moved it to webgen (when it was only one or two pages), Paul Rogers
> and Jonathan Kohl also update these pages.
>
> 2. People find it confusing that there is no single place where all the
> Watir information can be found. This makes them wonder about the
> community and worry that maybe they are missing something important. At
> the same time, I do believe that all the Watir websites are indexed from
> wtr.rubyforge.org.
>
> 3. Paul owns watir.com. It currently redirects to wtr.rubyforge.org, but
> could be pointed elsewhere. We also have the ability to redirect
> wtr.rubyforge.org to another site.
>
> 4. It was unclear whether it made sense to keep Watir at openqa, as it
> was moving to a selenium focus. For a couple of weeks indeed, openqa was
> renamed seleniumhq.
>
> With this background we made the following plan:
>
> A. We would migrate the confluence and jira from openqa to our own server.
> B. We would make the home page of the watir project be in confluence,
> based on a design by Alister (that used a newer version of confluence).
>
> Charley ran into snags with A, and now we are looking into other
> alternatives. Some of the alternatives, frankly, seem to be coming from
> left field, so I am wondering whether there are additional concerns that
> people have, or whether they are simply confused as to what our goals are.
>
> When we started this discussion, the Watir source code was stored in SVN
> at openqa. Since then we've moved it to Github. Some people seem to be
> acting on the idea that our goal is to keep everything together, and
> thus we'd move the wiki and bug tracker to Github as well. I don't think
> that it is practical to migrate from confluence to the wiki on Github.
> Github's wiki is not that great, and we would have to lose a lot of
> information, data, formating, understandability if we did this. I have
> heard good things about Github's bug tracker, but am still unsure
> whether it would be worth the trouble to migrate all the data. We
> currently have an enormous investment in Jira: history, reports, etc.
>
> One nice thing about Jira/Confluence right now is that people can use a
> single sign on for both. This is a feature provided by openqa, that
> would take some work to replicate.
>
> The biggest problem, in my mind, with Jira right now is simply that not
> enough attention is being given to reviewing the bug reports that are
> made with it. But this is probably an issue for a separate thread. Let
> me just say this: If someone were to propose that we move to a different
> bug tracker because it would make it easier for them to review and
> respond to bug reports, then I would be all ears.
>
> So it seems to me that we are now down to two options. Both of these
> keep confluence and Jira at OpenQA.
>
> 1. Replace wtr.rubyforge.org with a wordpress instance.
> 2. Move the homepage to confluence, perhaps getting Patrick to upgrade
> the software.
>
> To my mind, #2 has a few more advantages. Mainly it simplifies things by
> having one less site for users to find/understand and one less system
> for us to maintain. But frankly I'd be happy with either as an
> improvement over what we have right now. (#1 would be easier for more
> people to support and has nifty plugins.) I'm happy to defer to Alister
> on this point, following the implementer's rule: whoever implements it
> makes the rules.
>
> Bret
>
>
>
>
>
> Charley Baker wrote:
> > Alister's design on the wordpress instance looks good. I'd definitely
> > pin him as the Watir community leader for watir.com 
> > going forward and definitely needs to work with Zeljko. They're
> > fortunate enough to share similar time zones, and seem to be working
> > well as a team. I tried getting jira and confluence up on a slice, it
> > is working, but for my efforts, I didn't fare well, and got 'is that
> > all you've done'. It's not easy and we're secure for the meantime with
> > the openqa instances. We do have open source licensing if it comes to
> > that, but given the difficulties on running our own instance, it makes
> > sense to me to put that off for another time.
>
> > There are still some details to work o

[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Bret Pettichord]

Let me chime in by trying to restate the problem and why this idea got 
started in the first place.

1. The current home page for Watir (at wtr.rubyforge.com) is hard for 
the community to update. It is a webgen-based website, stored with the 
Watir code base. Any one with commit rights to Watir can modify these 
pages. They also need admin rights to our Rubyforge.org account to post 
updates. To date, only Charley and I have updated this website. Before 
we moved it to webgen (when it was only one or two pages), Paul Rogers 
and Jonathan Kohl also update these pages.

2. People find it confusing that there is no single place where all the 
Watir information can be found. This makes them wonder about the 
community and worry that maybe they are missing something important. At 
the same time, I do believe that all the Watir websites are indexed from 
wtr.rubyforge.org.

3. Paul owns watir.com. It currently redirects to wtr.rubyforge.org, but 
could be pointed elsewhere. We also have the ability to redirect 
wtr.rubyforge.org to another site.

4. It was unclear whether it made sense to keep Watir at openqa, as it 
was moving to a selenium focus. For a couple of weeks indeed, openqa was 
renamed seleniumhq.

With this background we made the following plan:

A. We would migrate the confluence and jira from openqa to our own server.
B. We would make the home page of the watir project be in confluence, 
based on a design by Alister (that used a newer version of confluence).

Charley ran into snags with A, and now we are looking into other 
alternatives. Some of the alternatives, frankly, seem to be coming from 
left field, so I am wondering whether there are additional concerns that 
people have, or whether they are simply confused as to what our goals are.

When we started this discussion, the Watir source code was stored in SVN 
at openqa. Since then we've moved it to Github. Some people seem to be 
acting on the idea that our goal is to keep everything together, and 
thus we'd move the wiki and bug tracker to Github as well. I don't think 
that it is practical to migrate from confluence to the wiki on Github. 
Github's wiki is not that great, and we would have to lose a lot of 
information, data, formating, understandability if we did this. I have 
heard good things about Github's bug tracker, but am still unsure 
whether it would be worth the trouble to migrate all the data. We 
currently have an enormous investment in Jira: history, reports, etc.

One nice thing about Jira/Confluence right now is that people can use a 
single sign on for both. This is a feature provided by openqa, that 
would take some work to replicate.

The biggest problem, in my mind, with Jira right now is simply that not 
enough attention is being given to reviewing the bug reports that are 
made with it. But this is probably an issue for a separate thread. Let 
me just say this: If someone were to propose that we move to a different 
bug tracker because it would make it easier for them to review and 
respond to bug reports, then I would be all ears.

So it seems to me that we are now down to two options. Both of these 
keep confluence and Jira at OpenQA.

1. Replace wtr.rubyforge.org with a wordpress instance.
2. Move the homepage to confluence, perhaps getting Patrick to upgrade 
the software.

To my mind, #2 has a few more advantages. Mainly it simplifies things by 
having one less site for users to find/understand and one less system 
for us to maintain. But frankly I'd be happy with either as an 
improvement over what we have right now. (#1 would be easier for more 
people to support and has nifty plugins.) I'm happy to defer to Alister 
on this point, following the implementer's rule: whoever implements it 
makes the rules.

Bret

Charley Baker wrote:
> Alister's design on the wordpress instance looks good. I'd definitely 
> pin him as the Watir community leader for watir.com  
> going forward and definitely needs to work with Zeljko. They're 
> fortunate enough to share similar time zones, and seem to be working 
> well as a team. I tried getting jira and confluence up on a slice, it 
> is working, but for my efforts, I didn't fare well, and got 'is that 
> all you've done'. It's not easy and we're secure for the meantime with 
> the openqa instances. We do have open source licensing if it comes to 
> that, but given the difficulties on running our own instance, it makes 
> sense to me to put that off for another time.
>
> There are still some details to work out, but this looks like a viable 
> plan - wordpress on the front end with JIRA still hosted on openqa. 
> Paul needs to be involved in pointing the watir.com  
> dns name to it, but otherwise we should be good.
>
> Bret needs to weigh in as well, and we should make sure we have all 
> the bases covered.
>
>
> Charley Baker
> blog: http://blog.charleybaker.org/
> Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
> QA Architect, Gap Inc Di

[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[jari.bakken]

On 05.06.09 14.07, Željko Filipin  wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Chuck van der Linden  wrote:
> Has Google Code been considered?
> also Github?

Both Google Code and Github have wiki and bug tracking. The problem with 
changing software is that somebody would have to enter all data from old 
software into new software. And there is a lot of data...

There are APIs for both Jira and GitHub's issue tracker that would make it easy 
to automate that migration.
Confluence also has an API that can be used to at least extract the content of 
the pages - converting to Textile and creating the pages on GitHub would 
probably need to be done manually.

I have some experience with the Atlassian APIs and would be happy to help code 
this up if you want to move everything to GitHub.

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[Charley Baker]

Alister's design on the wordpress instance looks good. I'd definitely pin
him as the Watir community leader for watir.com going forward and definitely
needs to work with Zeljko. They're fortunate enough to share similar time
zones, and seem to be working well as a team. I tried getting jira and
confluence up on a slice, it is working, but for my efforts, I didn't fare
well, and got 'is that all you've done'. It's not easy and we're secure for
the meantime with the openqa instances. We do have open source licensing if
it comes to that, but given the difficulties on running our own instance, it
makes sense to me to put that off for another time.

There are still some details to work out, but this looks like a viable plan
- wordpress on the front end with JIRA still hosted on openqa. Paul needs to
be involved in pointing the watir.com dns name to it, but otherwise we
should be good.

Bret needs to weigh in as well, and we should make sure we have all the
bases covered.


Charley Baker
blog: http://blog.charleybaker.org/
Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org
QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Chuck van der Linden wrote:

>
> On Jun 5, 5:07 am, Željko Filipin 
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Chuck van der Linden 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Has Google Code been considered?
> > > also Github?
> >
> > Both Google Code and Github have wiki and bug tracking. The problem with
> > changing software is that somebody would have to enter all data from old
> > software into new software. And there is a lot of data...
> >
> > Željko
>
> Yeah Z, I realize that.  it's just that expense also seemed a big
> factor, so if we can't find something that's free and lets us run the
> apps we want, then  obviously we have to balance cost vs moving data.
> I was wondering about those two in the even that cost turned out to be
> the deciding factor.
>
> I still find it ironic that given it's mission statement, "OpenQA"
> seems to want to move to focusing on a single solution..
>
> Given the seemingly ever closer connections between Watir, things like
> the WatirCraft Framework, and Cucumber,  one does have to wonder if
> maybe Github might be the way to go, even if we do have to move
> data..  Bret sure seemed to have a lot of good things to say about
> it.   How different is their Wiki from what we run now?
> >
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Chuck van der Linden]

On Jun 5, 5:07 am, Željko Filipin 
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Chuck van der Linden 
> wrote:
>
> > Has Google Code been considered?
> > also Github?
>
> Both Google Code and Github have wiki and bug tracking. The problem with
> changing software is that somebody would have to enter all data from old
> software into new software. And there is a lot of data...
>
> Željko

Yeah Z, I realize that.  it's just that expense also seemed a big
factor, so if we can't find something that's free and lets us run the
apps we want, then  obviously we have to balance cost vs moving data.
I was wondering about those two in the even that cost turned out to be
the deciding factor.

I still find it ironic that given it's mission statement, "OpenQA"
seems to want to move to focusing on a single solution..

Given the seemingly ever closer connections between Watir, things like
the WatirCraft Framework, and Cucumber,  one does have to wonder if
maybe Github might be the way to go, even if we do have to move
data..  Bret sure seemed to have a lot of good things to say about
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

This sounds like a good idea.
I can ask Patrick and see what he says.

On Jun 5, 10:11 pm, Željko Filipin 
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Alister Scott 
> wrote:
>
> >  I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
> >  option to host Confluence for watir.com.
>
> What do you think Patrick would say if we asked him can watir.com point 
> tohttp://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR?We could say at the bottom of every page
> something like `Hosted by openqa.org`.
>
> And if he says no, can we just make watir.com redirect 
> tohttp://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR?And 
> makehttp://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Watir.comhome page?
>
> That sounds like a simple solution to me.
>
> Željko
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Alister Scott 
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>  I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
>  option to host Confluence for watir.com.

What do you think Patrick would say if we asked him can watir.com point to
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR? We could say at the bottom of every page
something like `Hosted by openqa.org`.

And if he says no, can we just make watir.com redirect to
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR? And make
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Watir.com home page?

That sounds like a simple solution to me.

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Chuck van der Linden 
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> Has Google Code been considered?
> also Github?

Both Google Code and Github have wiki and bug tracking. The problem with
changing software is that somebody would have to enter all data from old
software into new software. And there is a lot of data...

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

Hi Felipe,

Yes, we have a community/open source license for all the Atlassian
apps.

Cheers,
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On Jun 5, 12:12 am, Felipe Knorr Kuhn  wrote:
> Hello Alister,
>
> I particularly host my websites and SVN server on Dreamhost.com.
>
> They have a nice control panel to create and configure a lot of stuff,
> including SVN and Wordpress.
>
> Unfortunately, you guys seem to NEED Confluence and Jira, and they don't
> host J2EE applications on the $5.95/month plan.
>
> Do you guys have a community/open source project license for the Atlassian
> apps?
>
> FK
>
> 2009/6/4 Alister Scott 
>
>
>
> >  Hi Everyone,
> >  I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
> >  option to host Confluence for watir.com. Amazon EC2 will be at
> >  least US$80 per month (~$1000 per year) so we would need to find
> >  a sponsor for this. On top of this, we would need to configure
> >  and maintain (backup) Confluence ourselves which is additional
> >  effort.
>
> >  In moving forward I have asked why we are wanting to do what
> >  we're doing. I understand there are two main reasons:
> >  1) The current site (http://wtr.rubyforge.org/) is old, hard to
> >  update by multiple people, and not very dynamic, meaning the
> >  information on here is often not up to date.
> >  2) It is believed the openqa.org site is taking on a more
> >  selenium focus and therefore Watir might be better hosted
> >  elsewhere (dedicated instance).
>
> >  One solution I propose is that we use wordpress.com as a CMS to
> >  host watir.com (custom domain name mapping costs $10USD per
> >  year) and besides this there is no charge for up to 3GB content
> >  and unlimited traffic.
>
> >  The benefit of using wordpress.com is that it is very fast, has
> >  a high google pagerank, is very easy to configure and use, and
> >  allows multiple authors for the site.
>
> >  I have set a very quick demo here:
> >  http://watirweb.wordpress.com/The great thing is that the site
> >  has RSS feeds, and using the widgets we can display various
> >  content dynamically.
>
> >  This solves issue 1 above, but the issue 2 still exists.
>
> >  I personally think issue 2 has died down a bit of late, and that
> >  we could possibly continue using openqa.org for the wiki and
> >  JIRA for the immediate future, until something changes. We can
> >  just link to this site from watir.com
>
> >  I look forward to hearing your ideas and feedback about this.
>
> >  Cheers,
> >  Alister
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Chuck van der Linden]

Has Google Code been considered?

they provide a wiki and issue tracking..

also Github?  I believe they also have wiki,  not sure about issue
tracking..

On Jun 3, 9:23 pm, Alister Scott  wrote:
>   Hi Everyone,
>   I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
>   option to host Confluence for watir.com. Amazon EC2 will be at
>   least US$80 per month (~$1000 per year) so we would need to find
>   a sponsor for this. On top of this, we would need to configure
>   and maintain (backup) Confluence ourselves which is additional
>   effort.
>
>   In moving forward I have asked why we are wanting to do what
>   we're doing. I understand there are two main reasons:
>   1) The current site (http://wtr.rubyforge.org/) is old, hard to
>   update by multiple people, and not very dynamic, meaning the
>   information on here is often not up to date.
>   2) It is believed the openqa.org site is taking on a more
>   selenium focus and therefore Watir might be better hosted
>   elsewhere (dedicated instance).
>
>   One solution I propose is that we use wordpress.com as a CMS to
>   host watir.com (custom domain name mapping costs $10USD per
>   year) and besides this there is no charge for up to 3GB content
>   and unlimited traffic.
>
>   The benefit of using wordpress.com is that it is very fast, has
>   a high google pagerank, is very easy to configure and use, and
>   allows multiple authors for the site.
>
>   I have set a very quick demo here:
>  http://watirweb.wordpress.com/The great thing is that the site
>   has RSS feeds, and using the widgets we can display various
>   content dynamically.
>
>   This solves issue 1 above, but the issue 2 still exists.
>
>   I personally think issue 2 has died down a bit of late, and that
>   we could possibly continue using openqa.org for the wiki and
>   JIRA for the immediate future, until something changes. We can
>   just link to this site from watir.com
>
>   I look forward to hearing your ideas and feedback about this.
>
>   Cheers,
>   Alister
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Felipe Knorr Kuhn  wrote:
> Do you guys have a community/open source project license for the Atlassian
apps?

Alister will know for sure, but I think we have open source licenses for
Jira and Confluence.

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Felipe Knorr Kuhn]

Hello Alister,

I particularly host my websites and SVN server on Dreamhost.com.

They have a nice control panel to create and configure a lot of stuff,
including SVN and Wordpress.

Unfortunately, you guys seem to NEED Confluence and Jira, and they don't
host J2EE applications on the $5.95/month plan.

Do you guys have a community/open source project license for the Atlassian
apps?

FK

2009/6/4 Alister Scott 

>
>  Hi Everyone,
>  I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
>  option to host Confluence for watir.com. Amazon EC2 will be at
>  least US$80 per month (~$1000 per year) so we would need to find
>  a sponsor for this. On top of this, we would need to configure
>  and maintain (backup) Confluence ourselves which is additional
>  effort.
>
>  In moving forward I have asked why we are wanting to do what
>  we're doing. I understand there are two main reasons:
>  1) The current site (http://wtr.rubyforge.org/) is old, hard to
>  update by multiple people, and not very dynamic, meaning the
>  information on here is often not up to date.
>  2) It is believed the openqa.org site is taking on a more
>  selenium focus and therefore Watir might be better hosted
>  elsewhere (dedicated instance).
>
>  One solution I propose is that we use wordpress.com as a CMS to
>  host watir.com (custom domain name mapping costs $10USD per
>  year) and besides this there is no charge for up to 3GB content
>  and unlimited traffic.
>
>  The benefit of using wordpress.com is that it is very fast, has
>  a high google pagerank, is very easy to configure and use, and
>  allows multiple authors for the site.
>
>  I have set a very quick demo here:
>  http://watirweb.wordpress.com/ The great thing is that the site
>  has RSS feeds, and using the widgets we can display various
>  content dynamically.
>
>  This solves issue 1 above, but the issue 2 still exists.
>
>  I personally think issue 2 has died down a bit of late, and that
>  we could possibly continue using openqa.org for the wiki and
>  JIRA for the immediate future, until something changes. We can
>  just link to this site from watir.com
>
>  I look forward to hearing your ideas and feedback about this.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Alister
>
> >
>

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Alister Scott]

FYI: I have asked Atlassian and Contegix to sponsor and they have said
no.

On Jun 4, 9:47 pm, Željko Filipin 
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Alister Scott 
> wrote:
>
> >  I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
> >  option to host Confluence for watir.com. Amazon EC2 will be at
> >  least US$80 per month (~$1000 per year)
>
> A lot of money. Could we ask Atlassian to host our Confluence and Jira? :)
>
> >  One solution I propose is that we use wordpress.com as a CMS to
> >  host watir.com (custom domain name mapping costs $10USD per
> >  year) and besides this there is no charge for up to 3GB content
> >  and unlimited traffic.
>
> This sounds more likely to fit our budget.
>
> >  I have set a very quick demo here:
> >  http://watirweb.wordpress.com/
>
> Looks interesting with all that dinamic content. But, I 
> likedhttp://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Watir.commore. Maybe we could have 
> such
> dinamic page somewhere, but not as home page. (I am aware that this is just
> a demo.)
>
> I really looked forward to most of our content (web, wiki, tickets) being on
> watir.com but looks like that will not happen soon. Since source (github)
> and support list (google groups) are not at watir.com anyway, we could just
> have wordpress site at watir.com that will point to all other sites (like
> our rubyforge web site does now).
>
> Alister, thanks a look at looking at it. If you need any help with wordpress
> (or anything else related to watir.com) please let me know.
>
> Željko
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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Alister Scott 
wrote:
>  One solution I propose is that we use wordpress.com as a CMS to
>  host watir.com

I have some space on my hosting account so we could watir.com there. We can
move watir.com to wordpress.com if the space or bandwidth exceeds my limits.

If you would like to move watir.com to wordpress.com immediately, I
volunteer to pay for the first year.

Željko

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[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Alister Scott 
wrote:
>  I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
>  option to host Confluence for watir.com. Amazon EC2 will be at
>  least US$80 per month (~$1000 per year)

A lot of money. Could we ask Atlassian to host our Confluence and Jira? :)

>  One solution I propose is that we use wordpress.com as a CMS to
>  host watir.com (custom domain name mapping costs $10USD per
>  year) and besides this there is no charge for up to 3GB content
>  and unlimited traffic.

This sounds more likely to fit our budget.

>  I have set a very quick demo here:
>  http://watirweb.wordpress.com/

Looks interesting with all that dinamic content. But, I liked
http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Watir.com more. Maybe we could have such
dinamic page somewhere, but not as home page. (I am aware that this is just
a demo.)

I really looked forward to most of our content (web, wiki, tickets) being on
watir.com but looks like that will not happen soon. Since source (github)
and support list (google groups) are not at watir.com anyway, we could just
have wordpress site at watir.com that will point to all other sites (like
our rubyforge web site does now).

Alister, thanks a look at looking at it. If you need any help with wordpress
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Željko

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[Željko Filipin]

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM, jason 
wrote:
> With lack of a better alternative - wordpress - or any blog - is a
> pain for the user searching for structured information.

Wordpress has pages that can be structured.

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[wtr-general] Re: Towards migrating to Watir.com

[jason]

Hi Alistair,

With lack of a better alternative - wordpress - or any blog - is a
pain for the user searching for structured information.
Do you think 37signals would sponsor project space in thier basecamp.
would that meet the requirements??

jason.


On 4 Jun., 06:23, Alister Scott  wrote:
>   Hi Everyone,
>   I have looked into many options and can't find a free/cheap
>   option to host Confluence for watir.com. Amazon EC2 will be at
>   least US$80 per month (~$1000 per year) so we would need to find
>   a sponsor for this. On top of this, we would need to configure
>   and maintain (backup) Confluence ourselves which is additional
>   effort.
>
>   In moving forward I have asked why we are wanting to do what
>   we're doing. I understand there are two main reasons:
>   1) The current site (http://wtr.rubyforge.org/) is old, hard to
>   update by multiple people, and not very dynamic, meaning the
>   information on here is often not up to date.
>   2) It is believed the openqa.org site is taking on a more
>   selenium focus and therefore Watir might be better hosted
>   elsewhere (dedicated instance).
>
>   One solution I propose is that we use wordpress.com as a CMS to
>   host watir.com (custom domain name mapping costs $10USD per
>   year) and besides this there is no charge for up to 3GB content
>   and unlimited traffic.
>
>   The benefit of using wordpress.com is that it is very fast, has
>   a high google pagerank, is very easy to configure and use, and
>   allows multiple authors for the site.
>
>   I have set a very quick demo here:
>  http://watirweb.wordpress.com/The great thing is that the site
>   has RSS feeds, and using the widgets we can display various
>   content dynamically.
>
>   This solves issue 1 above, but the issue 2 still exists.
>
>   I personally think issue 2 has died down a bit of late, and that
>   we could possibly continue using openqa.org for the wiki and
>   JIRA for the immediate future, until something changes. We can
>   just link to this site from watir.com
>
>   I look forward to hearing your ideas and feedback about this.
>
>   Cheers,
>   Alister
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