[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
11 years in test but now moving to technical writing/programming writing. Maura van der Linden Mythos Manor, LLC http://www.mauravanderlinden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
I forgot to add: and proud to be a tester. :) Željko On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 23:06, Željko Filipin zeljko.fili...@wa-research.ch wrote: I am just a tester. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
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I am a tester only. Leigh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
Hi All, I have been into testing for about 6 years. My testing experience has mostly been into testing on unix platforms and C-Api testing. My current job is around testing of a website. Hence this is the first time I started looking out for automated test tools for website automation. This is how I got to learn about Watir and I enjoy working with Watir. So far I have used Perl and Ruby is quite similar to Perl. Manual testing can become monotonous and hence doing automation using Watir makes the job interesting. Cheers, Natasha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
Hi, All, This is Wesley, from ShanXi Xi'an China, I work for Active Network. I became a black-box tester about two years ago when I was graduated. Now I am still a black-box tester, sometimes the test is really repeated. Watir automation is interesting, it can kind of improve my work efficiency. I am the only automation tester in my web test team. So What a proud thing it is if I create the whole automation test frame for my project, from the design, to the code, to the test, and even if I leave the company, the new comers find the code is so easy to read, to maintain! It will be still a long way for me to complete it, but cheer up! Thanks. Wesley Chen. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Natasha Ranney itsn...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi All, I have been into testing for about 6 years. My testing experience has mostly been into testing on unix platforms and C-Api testing. My current job is around testing of a website. Hence this is the first time I started looking out for automated test tools for website automation. This is how I got to learn about Watir and I enjoy working with Watir. So far I have used Perl and Ruby is quite similar to Perl. Manual testing can become monotonous and hence doing automation using Watir makes the job interesting. Cheers, Natasha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
I used to be a tester. Then I became Test Design, Test Analyst, Test Developer, Test Architect etc... now I am just a Test Investigator I think. More and more I see testing as a discipline of investigating where Value is created and were it is Diminished. I can do it with automation code or manually going through an application of asking questions in a meeting with a developer to uncover my and his bias towards the problem space and proposes solutions. I think the days of QA Tester are over, (I mean in the sense of Quality Assurance school of testing) marekj Watirloo: Semantic Page Objects in UseCases http://github.com/marekj/watirloo/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
Some related data... we've had a poll on the front page of the WatirCraft site for a while now that asks who uses Watir in your organization? there have been 129 responses as of this morning. 35% say just me (sorry, that doesn't tell you their role) 36% say testers only 17% say testers and developers 2% say developers only 10% say we don't distinguish between developers and testers Pete On Mar 4, 8:39 am, george.sand...@gmail.com george.sand...@gmail.com wrote: I was just curious to know who is purely a QA tester (like myself) and who is both a tester and a developer... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
George, that's interesting that you want to migrate more into development. The person who wrote most of our Watir scripts (and did a good job with the design, I think) was a Perl scripter before he came to us, and while he is still working as a tester / test automation guy, he wants to move back into development. The tester we hired after he left, who also did a lot of work on the Watir scripts, decided to learn Java and be a developer so that is what he has done (still on our team). So I can't help wondering if someone who succeeds with Watir is always going to be someone with a strong desire to do programming. I personally love automating test scripts, but I wouldn't want to write production code. I can't explain why that is (I used to be a programmer, back in the pre-OO days). I'm trying to do most of the Watir work now in fear that our latest new tester might go through the same transition! Just joking, but she also has a strong programming and automation background. I think that's really required on a small team like ours. -- Lisa On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:46 AM, George george.sand...@gmail.com wrote: Charley, speaking on that spectrum, I'm just getting into real programming, and would like to slide more towards being a real developer while retaining and building on my testing skills. Out of our entire QA team, I'm becoming the scripting guy, which is kind of sad since we all need to be at the same level. Nevertheless, I'm thoroughly enjoying my education and it seems that I have some job security. I've been tasked to automate testing for all of our web applications. I hope to go from understanding 20% of the posts on this forum to at least 40% :) On Mar 4, 2:25 pm, Charley Baker charley.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a test developer, with a background in testing as well as development. Test scripts and automation testing should be run as development projects - scm, code reviews, ideally paired programming, branch cuts, working with the production code developers, running, creating and sharing tests. There's a spectrum of where you place yourself on the scale between tester and developer. The question definitely deserves a longer answer. Something we tried tackling at the td/dt conf a year or two back. As a side note, I don't hire people who have no automation experience, there has to be some scripting skills. It's an interesting question. Charley Baker blog:http://charleybakersblog.blogspot.com/ Lead Developer, Watir,http://wtr.rubyforge.org QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM, JArkelen johnvanarke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm a test automater en performance tester and use Watir for our functional regression tests. On Mar 4, 6:14 pm, Lisa Crispin lisa.cris...@gmail.com wrote: Hi George, I'm a tester, I have learned enough Ruby to maintain and write new Watir scripts, and I know enough Java to sometimes be able to look at a traceback and figure out what the problem might be! It's a great question, I'm curious to know now too. Most Watir people I know have solid programming skills, and I think that makes things much easier all around for using Watir. -- Lisa On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:39 AM, george.sand...@gmail.com - Show quoted text - george.sand...@gmail.com wrote: I was just curious to know who is purely a QA tester (like myself) and who is both a tester and a developer... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)http://lisacrispin.com -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) http://lisacrispin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
Hi George, I'm a tester, I have learned enough Ruby to maintain and write new Watir scripts, and I know enough Java to sometimes be able to look at a traceback and figure out what the problem might be! It's a great question, I'm curious to know now too. Most Watir people I know have solid programming skills, and I think that makes things much easier all around for using Watir. -- Lisa On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:39 AM, george.sand...@gmail.com george.sand...@gmail.com wrote: I was just curious to know who is purely a QA tester (like myself) and who is both a tester and a developer... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) http://lisacrispin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
Hi, I'm a test automater en performance tester and use Watir for our functional regression tests. On Mar 4, 6:14 pm, Lisa Crispin lisa.cris...@gmail.com wrote: Hi George, I'm a tester, I have learned enough Ruby to maintain and write new Watir scripts, and I know enough Java to sometimes be able to look at a traceback and figure out what the problem might be! It's a great question, I'm curious to know now too. Most Watir people I know have solid programming skills, and I think that makes things much easier all around for using Watir. -- Lisa On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:39 AM, george.sand...@gmail.com george.sand...@gmail.com wrote: I was just curious to know who is purely a QA tester (like myself) and who is both a tester and a developer... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)http://lisacrispin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
I am a developer. We use rWebUnit (extension of Watir) and iTest2 IDE
for our acceptance testing.
We classified test scripts into two parts:
* high level test cases: written (and reviewed) by Business
Analysts Testers (who do not have programming skills)
* web page classes and support functions: implemented by developers
And it does need close cooperation between BA/testers and developers.
It actually worked quite well for us.
Example test case:
story Login do
home_page = login_as(tester)
home_page.click_radio_option(marriage, Single)
home_page.assert_question_hidden(How many children do you have?)
end
Example page class: home_page.rb
@@question_lookups = { How many children do you have? = 2 }
def assert_question_hidden(question)
elem = browser.row(:id, row#{@@question_lookups[question]})
assert(elem.visible? == false, question #{question} invisible)
end
---
Zhimin Zhan
http://itest2.com
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[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
I'm a test developer, with a background in testing as well as development. Test scripts and automation testing should be run as development projects - scm, code reviews, ideally paired programming, branch cuts, working with the production code developers, running, creating and sharing tests. There's a spectrum of where you place yourself on the scale between tester and developer. The question definitely deserves a longer answer. Something we tried tackling at the td/dt conf a year or two back. As a side note, I don't hire people who have no automation experience, there has to be some scripting skills. It's an interesting question. Charley Baker blog: http://charleybakersblog.blogspot.com/ Lead Developer, Watir, http://wtr.rubyforge.org QA Architect, Gap Inc Direct On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM, JArkelen johnvanarke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm a test automater en performance tester and use Watir for our functional regression tests. On Mar 4, 6:14 pm, Lisa Crispin lisa.cris...@gmail.com wrote: Hi George, I'm a tester, I have learned enough Ruby to maintain and write new Watir scripts, and I know enough Java to sometimes be able to look at a traceback and figure out what the problem might be! It's a great question, I'm curious to know now too. Most Watir people I know have solid programming skills, and I think that makes things much easier all around for using Watir. -- Lisa On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:39 AM, george.sand...@gmail.com - Show quoted text - george.sand...@gmail.com wrote: I was just curious to know who is purely a QA tester (like myself) and who is both a tester and a developer... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)http://lisacrispin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[wtr-general] Re: Watir users: What is your role at work?
Lisa, Thanks for your comments. You mentioned Java developers, I am a one (likes programming in Ruby better though). From personal experiences and observations, I found programmers tend to not to write as easy-to-read test scripts as testers because of programming habits. For example, Java programmers might write tests like below: // in Java, new Date() returns current date assertEquals(new SimpleDateFormat(dd/mm/).format(new Date()), dateValue); But the following syntax might be better: assertEquals(getToday(), dateValue()); // testers don't understand new Date() date_value.should == today # or even better if using Watir and RSpec Zhimin On Mar 5, 8:57 am, Lisa Crispin lisa.cris...@gmail.com wrote: We do treat the test scripts same as production code, checked in, tagged with the builds, pairing etc. But the programmers won't work on the Watir scripts much because they prefer working in Java - in hindsight maybe we should have gone with a different tool. However, we testers prefer Ruby! Zhimin makes a good point that collaboration is a good thing and any tool that promotes it is a winner in my book. I like his approach. We also wouldn't hire a tester without some scripting skills, but still you could have scripting skills and identify yourself as a tester, as I do. -- Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Watir General group. To post to this group, send email to watir-general@googlegroups.com Before posting, please read the following guidelines: http://wiki.openqa.org/display/WTR/Support To unsubscribe from this group, send email to watir-general-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/watir-general -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
