[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread ponolan
Here's what I will do for a UPS: https://raspi-ups.appspot.com/en/index.jsp

This should work nicely as I already have a 4 port Ethernet switch in place 
providing connectivity to a TV, an electricity monitor and the Pi, so all I 
need is a battery. 2017 might be my first year of completely continuous 
data. 

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread ponolan
Ah, a man who likes to live dangerously! (Not me)

I have since heard from the Yepkit that the YKUSH (their product names are 
weird) does not send back power to the Pi and so should be perfectly safe 
to power both the Pi and FO, so I'm just about to order one. 
>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread Andrew Milner
... well blindfold it (or ma'am??) with a black bag



On Sunday, 25 September 2016 15:06:37 UTC+3, pon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tape over the lights? No way! It would mean opening the case and that 
> isn't going to happen for something so trivial (only to attach something to 
> the GPIO pins). Besides, Ma'am dines out on her having to put underpants on 
> my hardware and I don't mind her telling people of this hardship :-) (If 
> LEDSs in the bedroom is the worst she has to put up with ...) 
>
> Truth is the nice acrylic case is the 2nd. The first was so hard to put 
> together I broke it and had to to replace it.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread ponolan
Tape over the lights? No way! It would mean opening the case and that isn't 
going to happen for something so trivial (only to attach something to the 
GPIO pins). Besides, Ma'am dines out on her having to put underpants on my 
hardware and I don't mind her telling people of this hardship :-) (If LEDSs 
in the bedroom is the worst she has to put up with ...) 

Truth is the nice acrylic case is the 2nd. The first was so hard to put 
together I broke it and had to to replace it.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread Andrew Milner
Then, for you at least, my points are non issues - so ditch the console!!  
For me, I like things to be correct, so they remain issues for me.  You 
could always use black insulation tape insteiad of underpants to kill the 
RPi lights - or white stcky tape to just dim them down a little...

On Sunday, 25 September 2016 14:10:53 UTC+3, pon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Actually, those things don't bother me. I never bothered changing the 
> pressure on the console. (I'm at 113m above sea level), never look at it to 
> know the time or date -- though I have reset them whenever I've had to take 
> the batteries out. I rely on the Pi to log correct pressure, data and time. 
> Am leaning toward putting the console in a drawer (it's in the bedroom) and 
> having a 2nd, nicer, display in the kitchen once I swap out the original Pi 
> for a Pi 3. Then it will not endure the indignity of underpants covering 
> its clear acrylic case because the LEDs keep ma'am awake at night :-)
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread ponolan
Actually, those things don't bother me. I never bothered changing the 
pressure on the console. (I'm at 113m above sea level), never look at it to 
know the time or date -- though I have reset them whenever I've had to take 
the batteries out. I rely on the Pi to log correct pressure, data and time. 
Am leaning toward putting the console in a drawer (it's in the bedroom) and 
having a 2nd, nicer, display in the kitchen once I swap out the original Pi 
for a Pi 3. Then it will not endure the indignity of underpants covering 
its clear acrylic case because the LEDs keep ma'am awake at night :-)

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread Andrew Milner
Well it will resolve some of the issues - but you will be left with a 
console with incorrect time, incorrect relative pressure, etc etc - all the 
things which you would set if you did battery removal - so you still need, 
I would have thought, to set date etc as soon as you can after doing the 
power cycle - assuming it is the true usb lock up and not just a glitch 
(which usually resolves itself anyway).  Of course, if no-one ever looks at 
the console it will not be much of an issue!!!





On Sunday, 25 September 2016 13:46:10 UTC+3, pon...@gmail.com wrote:

> If the Pi remains powered continuously and is able to power cycle the 
> port* how does that not resolve?
>
> *as described here: 
> https://github.com/weewx/weewx/wiki/FineOffset%20USB%20lockup
>
> What I don't know yet is how the config changes listed on the wiki (above) 
> can relate to code used to control YKUSH. But I had a more important 
> question about whether or not there is any back power from the USB ports 
> which could damage the Pi (and have inquired accordingly). I'm assuming 
> that I'd connect the power + UPS to the YKUSH and power the Pi and FO on 
> separate ports and have the YKUSH reset the FO in the event of lockup.
>
> On a separate but related matter I'd quite like to see the Pi optionally 
> clear the buffer & display as it collects records from the FO, but I can 
> see a case against. Doing so would provide a quick visual indication that 
> there was no data backed up.
>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-25 Thread ponolan
If the Pi remains powered continuously and is able to power cycle the port* 
how does that not resolve?

*as described here: 
https://github.com/weewx/weewx/wiki/FineOffset%20USB%20lockup

What I don't know yet is how the config changes listed on the wiki (above) 
can relate to code used to control YKUSH. But I had a more important 
question about whether or not there is any back power from the USB ports 
which could damage the Pi (and have inquired accordingly). I'm assuming 
that I'd connect the power + UPS to the YKUSH and power the Pi and FO on 
separate ports and have the YKUSH reset the FO in the event of lockup.

On a separate but related matter I'd quite like to see the Pi optionally 
clear the buffer & display as it collects records from the FO, but I can 
see a case against. Doing so would provide a quick visual indication that 
there was no data backed up.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-24 Thread Andrew Milner
It looks as though the FO 2650, 2950 etc are indeed the same as the Ambient 
observer or Aercus WeatherSleuth - but these are not the stations which 
have the USB issues!!!  One may as well say "you can solve the usb issues 
by getting a Davis" just as easily as saying use an Observer!!  Still it is 
interesting and leaves me now wondering the connection (if any) between FO 
and Ambient - since one associates the Observer with Ambient normally.


On Sunday, 25 September 2016 06:58:58 UTC+3, Steve wrote:

> They are available as rebranded stations. I'm using an Aercus 
> WeatherSlueth with the interceptor driver (It replaced my WH3080). I think 
> you'll find it as an IP Observer too.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=IP+Observer&_sacat=0
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111886273116?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve. 
>
> On Sunday, 25 September 2016 06:52:18 UTC+10, pon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> OK, I've since seen this: 
>> http://www.foshk.com/weather_professional/wh2600.html and 
>> http://www.foshk.com/Wifi_Weather_Station/WH2650.html but can't see them 
>> for sale anywhere. Even FO's web site has a ADD TO CART button that just 
>> takes you to a contact page.
>>
>> I thought (not having seen these products before) that the ObserverIP was 
>> an Ambient brand product and worked at a different frequency so I wonder if 
>> the ones sold with these stations are FO versions that operate at 868Hz 
>> rather than Ambient's 915Hz (if I remember the numbers rightly) or if FO 
>> has switched the new units to a different frequency?
>>
>> For now I'm leaning in the direction of getting a UPS for the Pi, 
>> removing the batteries from my WH1080 console and connecting it via one of 
>> these https://www.yepkit.com/products/ykush. This will give me battery 
>> backup to ride out any power interruptions and a workaround for the USB 
>> problem. I have a real UPSes but they're attached to my NAS boxes and the 
>> weather data is less critical.
>>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-24 Thread Steve
They are available as rebranded stations. I'm using an Aercus WeatherSlueth 
with the interceptor driver (It replaced my WH3080). I think you'll find it 
as an IP Observer too.

http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=IP+Observer&_sacat=0

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111886273116?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


Regards,

Steve. 

On Sunday, 25 September 2016 06:52:18 UTC+10, pon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> OK, I've since seen this: 
> http://www.foshk.com/weather_professional/wh2600.html and 
> http://www.foshk.com/Wifi_Weather_Station/WH2650.html but can't see them 
> for sale anywhere. Even FO's web site has a ADD TO CART button that just 
> takes you to a contact page.
>
> I thought (not having seen these products before) that the ObserverIP was 
> an Ambient brand product and worked at a different frequency so I wonder if 
> the ones sold with these stations are FO versions that operate at 868Hz 
> rather than Ambient's 915Hz (if I remember the numbers rightly) or if FO 
> has switched the new units to a different frequency?
>
> For now I'm leaning in the direction of getting a UPS for the Pi, removing 
> the batteries from my WH1080 console and connecting it via one of these 
> https://www.yepkit.com/products/ykush. This will give me battery backup 
> to ride out any power interruptions and a workaround for the USB problem. I 
> have a real UPSes but they're attached to my NAS boxes and the weather data 
> is less critical.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-24 Thread Andrew Milner
Your suggestion will not be guaranteed to help the usb lockup problem since 
you will not be removing power completely from the console if the ups 
battery backup kicks in, so not sure how it works as a workaround for that 
problem.

The FO link is indeed interesting, and not one I had heard of before 
either!!



On Saturday, 24 September 2016 23:52:18 UTC+3, pon...@gmail.com wrote:

> OK, I've since seen this: 
> http://www.foshk.com/weather_professional/wh2600.html and 
> http://www.foshk.com/Wifi_Weather_Station/WH2650.html but can't see them 
> for sale anywhere. Even FO's web site has a ADD TO CART button that just 
> takes you to a contact page.
>
> I thought (not having seen these products before) that the ObserverIP was 
> an Ambient brand product and worked at a different frequency so I wonder if 
> the ones sold with these stations are FO versions that operate at 868Hz 
> rather than Ambient's 915Hz (if I remember the numbers rightly) or if FO 
> has switched the new units to a different frequency?
>
> For now I'm leaning in the direction of getting a UPS for the Pi, removing 
> the batteries from my WH1080 console and connecting it via one of these 
> https://www.yepkit.com/products/ykush. This will give me battery backup 
> to ride out any power interruptions and a workaround for the USB problem. I 
> have a real UPSes but they're attached to my NAS boxes and the weather data 
> is less critical.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-24 Thread ponolan
OK, I've since seen this: 
http://www.foshk.com/weather_professional/wh2600.html and 
http://www.foshk.com/Wifi_Weather_Station/WH2650.html but can't see them 
for sale anywhere. Even FO's web site has a ADD TO CART button that just 
takes you to a contact page.

I thought (not having seen these products before) that the ObserverIP was 
an Ambient brand product and worked at a different frequency so I wonder if 
the ones sold with these stations are FO versions that operate at 868Hz 
rather than Ambient's 915Hz (if I remember the numbers rightly) or if FO 
has switched the new units to a different frequency?

For now I'm leaning in the direction of getting a UPS for the Pi, removing 
the batteries from my WH1080 console and connecting it via one of these 
https://www.yepkit.com/products/ykush. This will give me battery backup to 
ride out any power interruptions and a workaround for the USB problem. I 
have a real UPSes but they're attached to my NAS boxes and the weather data 
is less critical.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-24 Thread Louis De Lange

I was not suggesting using FreeBSD - I simply mentioned that using it might 
contribute to overall system stability.

My point was that FO supplies some of their stations with the Observer receiver 
module (and accompanying indoor pressure sensor). There is no indoor console 
required and hence no USB lockups. 

I don't know if someone has tried to operate any of console stations with an 
observer, but if it is possible it would be stable solution.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread ponolan
I'm not. That was for Louis, who suggested using FreeBSD instead of 
Linux+Pi and this "Observer". I didn't know what it was either and had to 
do some Googling. Turns out there's a WeeWX driver but it would need to be 
used with the right transmitter.

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 3:38:20 AM UTC+1, Andrew Milner wrote:
>
> If you are trying to solve FO lockups by reading the external sensors 
> directly via a radio receiver of some kind, where do you get the pressure 
> from??  This comes from the FO console on a FO station, and not from the 
> external sensors.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread Andrew Milner
If you are trying to solve FO lockups by reading the external sensors 
directly via a radio receiver of some kind, where do you get the pressure 
from??  This comes from the FO console on a FO station, and not from the 
external sensors.


On Saturday, 24 September 2016 05:26:25 UTC+3, pon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've just come across this: https://github.com/dkmcode/weewx-observerip, 
> which would take care of the data format issue but would still leave the 
> frequency difference.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread ponolan
I've just come across this: https://github.com/dkmcode/weewx-observerip, 
which would take care of the data format issue but would still leave the 
frequency difference.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread ponolan
Eh? See https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry%20Pi. It's my 
understanding (and experience) that the USB lockup problem is somehow a 
feature of the Fine Offset console. I would be a bit surprised if using 
FreeBSD instead of any of the commonly used Linux distros would make a 
difference, nor do I think it would matter what' hardware is used; I'd 
expect the same issue with different hosts, running WeeWX or not. But... 
I've only used a Pi. I do run FreeBSD but not on Pi.

What is said to make a difference is a powered USB hub which will permit 
resetting the FO but have yet to see this properly explained, and what code 
if any is needed to automate this. I'm guessing the Observer is the 
ObserverIP here: http://www.ambientweather.com/amws1400ip.html. If so, no I 
don't think it's readily possible as the Ambient system transmits on 915Mhz 
and FO uses a lower frequency and, I'd wager, a different data format.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread Andrew Milner
What is Observer?  If it is a radio receiver it only partly helps FO 
stations as one would still need to get pressure and internal temp/humidity 
from somewhere as they are derived from the FO console.





On Saturday, 24 September 2016 00:13:28 UTC+3, Louis De Lange wrote:

> I dont know if it is possible to add an Observer to the USB style Fine 
> Offset stations, but now that we have fully functional Observer drivers it 
> is a rock solid solution at a FO price point.  I should add that I run my 
> station on a FreeBSD box, not a Pi - that could be another reason why it 
> just does not go offline.
>
> On Friday, 23 September 2016 07:55:29 UTC-7, pon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I bought mine in Maplin. Has worked ok for several years now but I have 
>> had a few gaps in the data when it locked up -- once when I was away for a 
>> few months. Seems to do it once or twice a year and I haven't always been 
>> able to react immediately.
>>
>> I'd really like to make it all a bit more bullet-proof, but not to the 
>> extent of shelling out for Davis gear.
>>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread Louis De Lange
I dont know if it is possible to add an Observer to the USB style Fine 
Offset stations, but now that we have fully functional Observer drivers it 
is a rock solid solution at a FO price point.  I should add that I run my 
station on a FreeBSD box, not a Pi - that could be another reason why it 
just does not go offline.

On Friday, 23 September 2016 07:55:29 UTC-7, pon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I bought mine in Maplin. Has worked ok for several years now but I have 
> had a few gaps in the data when it locked up -- once when I was away for a 
> few months. Seems to do it once or twice a year and I haven't always been 
> able to react immediately.
>
> I'd really like to make it all a bit more bullet-proof, but not to the 
> extent of shelling out for Davis gear.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread ponolan
I bought mine in Maplin. Has worked ok for several years now but I have had 
a few gaps in the data when it locked up -- once when I was away for a few 
months. Seems to do it once or twice a year and I haven't always been able 
to react immediately.

I'd really like to make it all a bit more bullet-proof, but not to the 
extent of shelling out for Davis gear.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread Macha
You have to be a bit cautious above (my) anecdotal evidence. Before this 
WEA22, I got an identical-looking station of Amazon which packed up after a 
month, as did its replacement sender unit. I sent it all back and got this 
one.

Luck of the draw perhaps 

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 1:35:02 PM UTC+2, pon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looks identical. 
>
> And only £59.99 on Amazon! I've toyed with the idea of getting a second 
> one and streaming data for both to MySQL and then eliminating duplicate 
> records* ; wondered if it might be a simpler and more effective way of 
> guaranteeing gap-free data. Some of the suggestions here re powered USB 
> hubs don't seem entirely convincing
>
> *not very seriously -- the spouse eyeball rotation factor is a 
> consideration
>
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-23 Thread ponolan
Looks identical. 

And only £59.99 on Amazon! I've toyed with the idea of getting a second one 
and streaming data for both to MySQL and then eliminating duplicate 
records* ; wondered if it might be a simpler and more effective way of 
guaranteeing gap-free data. Some of the suggestions here re powered USB 
hubs don't seem entirely convincing

*not very seriously -- the spouse eyeball rotation factor is a consideration

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-22 Thread Macha
That's interesting - I've never had that, just the weewx crash.

My station is a WEA22 from Weathereye, which I believe is a W1080 type, so 
it looks like it's down to chance.

The station has been in operation for about 3 years and has performed OK - 
even surviving a mauling by a herd of Sanglier (that sort of thing happens 
around here).


On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:21:56 PM UTC+2, pon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> When it happens to me it's the WH1080 USB and not the Pi, and resetting 
> the Pi makes no difference. The only solution is to remove the batteries 
> and lose the data collected between when the problem occurred and that 
> point.
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-22 Thread ponolan
When it happens to me it's the WH1080 USB and not the Pi, and resetting the 
Pi makes no difference. The only solution is to remove the batteries and 
lose the data collected between when the problem occurred and that point.

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-18 Thread Macha

Hi,

Thanks for replying.

I've had this station for about 3 years and this behaviour has been there 
from day 1.

I think I've pretty much exhausted all possibilities actually. In the early 
days I tried a powered USB hub - no joy.

I've now got this RPi in a stack with two others - fed with a bomb-proof 5V 
supply. I've looked at the supply line with both a digital VM and a 'scope 
for each RPi. Volts are dead on 5-and-a-bit after the polyfuse and ripple 
is very low.

So, I guess it's down to "life's rich tapestry" and a quirk of this 
particular station. In fact it's not too troublesome, booting a couple of 
times a week is no big deal, esp. as I store the root filesystem for this 
Rpi on my NFS, so it doesn't even stress the SD card too much 

A final thought. I would tend to suspect the RPi as the culprit and not the 
console as the problem goes away (for a while) after a reboot. I've 
sometimes wondered if it's something to do with some weird interaction 
between USB and Ethernet on the RPi as they share the same hardware and 
both are pretty busy (however, it also happened before I migrated to an NFS 
file system, so maybe not).

Cheers,

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 2:26:28 PM UTC+2, mwall wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 5:24:47 AM UTC-4, Macha wrote:
>>
>> I have a W1080-type station (actually marked "WEA22") connected to a RPi 
>> V2. The station console is connected directly to the RPi's USB, together 
>> with 2 webcams.
>>
>
> this is probably your problem.
>
> use a powered usb hub for the station and see if that makes your failures 
> go away.
>
> the fine offset stations are *very* sensitive to usb power, and the rpi is 
> not very good at providing stable usb power.
>
> m 
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-18 Thread Macha
Hi,

Thanks for replying.

I've had this station for about 3 years and this behaviour has been there 
from day 1.

I think I've pretty much exhausted all possibilities actually. In the early 
days I tried a powered USB hub - no joy.

I've now got this RPi in a stack with two others - fed with a bomb-proof 5V 
supply. I've looked at the supply line with both a digital VM and a 'scope 
for each RPi. Volts are dead on 5-and-a-bit after the polyfuse and ripple 
is very low.

So, I guess it's down to "life's rich tapestry" and a quirk of this 
particular station. In fact it's not too troublesome, booting a couple of 
times a week is no big deal, esp. as I store the root filesystem for this 
Rpi on my NFS, so it doesn't even stress the SD card too much 

Cheers,

On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 2:26:28 PM UTC+2, mwall wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 5:24:47 AM UTC-4, Macha wrote:
>>
>> I have a W1080-type station (actually marked "WEA22") connected to a RPi 
>> V2. The station console is connected directly to the RPi's USB, together 
>> with 2 webcams.
>>
>
> this is probably your problem.
>
> use a powered usb hub for the station and see if that makes your failures 
> go away.
>
> the fine offset stations are *very* sensitive to usb power, and the rpi is 
> not very good at providing stable usb power.
>
> m 
>

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[weewx-user] Re: FO USB

2016-09-18 Thread mwall
On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 5:24:47 AM UTC-4, Macha wrote:
>
> I have a W1080-type station (actually marked "WEA22") connected to a RPi 
> V2. The station console is connected directly to the RPi's USB, together 
> with 2 webcams.
>

this is probably your problem.

use a powered usb hub for the station and see if that makes your failures 
go away.

the fine offset stations are *very* sensitive to usb power, and the rpi is 
not very good at providing stable usb power.

m 

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