Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
Rick, Ted, At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems There are many many many (did I say many?) different features possible. I think you should first pick a target audience and then model your CMS towards that group of users with their application. We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. I can sincerely recommend using a JSR-170 implementation. Because: - you will be using a standard, this looks good on your graduation report, - the hard-to-do-right mapping from a hierarchical structure to a (flat) database is already done for you so you have more time for other features. Good luck and have fun, Erik. -- Erik van Oosten http://www.day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ Ted Roeloffzen schreef: Hello Wicket community, We, two IT-students, are currently working on our graduation assignment. Our assignment states that we develop a Wicket CMS, or at least components for the CMS. This assignment will take place from 4-9-2006 until late January of 2007. At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems are offering and which we should implement in the Wicket CMS. At the same time we are researching how wicket works and which options are useful for using in the Wicket CMS. Through this mailinglist we would like to inform you about our assignment and we were hoping to get any suggestions and ideas from you, about which kind of components would you like to see and which not. We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. Are you familiar with this JSR and if so what are your experiences with it. Should we use it or toss it out the window? We hope that you’re willing to cooperate with us and make this project into a success. Yours sincerely, Rick Postma Ted Roeloffzen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
Hey, At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems I think you should first pick a target audience and then model your CMS towards that group of users with their application. Agree to disagree :) The few stars in the flood of available CMS systems have shown that a generalized approach IS possible. And especially with wicket it should be a breeze to individualize whatever you guys (Ted and Rick) come up with at the end of your project - if it is nice and abstract. If you focus too much on one group of users, in my experience you end up being stuck or having to write ugly workarounds once you want something a little more exotic. On the other hand - and since wicket is in itself such a clean and flexible framework - being too abstract will have you end up with writing not very much at all since all the functionality is basically already 'there'. Just as always, it's a fine line - enjoy walking it! :) // Che __ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail message is intended for the addressee(s) or authorized recipient only. If you are not the addressee, or an authorized recipient, you are specifically advised that any use, distribution, publication, copying or repetition of this information is prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify us immediately (+31 (0)20 50 25 800) and destroy this message. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
Hello, What is the intended audience? Do you intend to create a product suitable for CMS administrators needs? In that case, we (the list) might not really be the ones to ask. Most people here would probably be more interested in a Wicket-CMS extension, something that would help us to create CMSlike applications rather than a full standalone app. As far as I am concerned, I would need components that allow to integrate easyly some CMS functionnlities in a Web app more than a complete application. Pierre-Yves Ted Roeloffzen a écrit : Hello Wicket community, We, two IT-students, are currently working on our graduation assignment. Our assignment states that we develop a Wicket CMS, or at least components for the CMS. This assignment will take place from 4-9-2006 until late January of 2007. At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems are offering and which we should implement in the Wicket CMS. At the same time we are researching how wicket works and which options are useful for using in the Wicket CMS. Through this mailinglist we would like to inform you about our assignment and we were hoping to get any suggestions and ideas from you, about which kind of components would you like to see and which not. We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. Are you familiar with this JSR and if so what are your experiences with it. Should we use it or toss it out the window? We hope that you’re willing to cooperate with us and make this project into a success. Yours sincerely, Rick Postma Ted Roeloffzen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
What we would like to do is create these components and to incorporate those in a comlete application.The components could become a Wicket-extension and the CMS could be used by others. Ted Rick On 9/13/06, Pierre-Yves Saumont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,What is the intended audience? Do you intend to create a productsuitable for CMS administrators needs? In that case, we (the list) mightnot really be the ones to ask. Most people here would probably be more interested in a Wicket-CMS extension, something that would help us tocreate CMSlike applications rather than a full standalone app.As far as I am concerned, I would need components that allow tointegrate easyly some CMS functionnlities in a Web app more than a complete application.Pierre-YvesTed Roeloffzen a écrit : Hello Wicket community, We, two IT-students, are currently working on our graduation assignment. Our assignment states that we develop a Wicket CMS, or at least components for the CMS. This assignment will take place from 4-9-2006 until late January of 2007. At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems are offering and which we should implement in the Wicket CMS. At the same time we are researching how wicket works and which options are useful for using in the Wicket CMS. Through this mailinglist we would like to inform you about our assignment and we were hoping to get any suggestions and ideas from you, about which kind of components would you like to see and which not. We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. Are you familiar with this JSR and if so what are your experiences with it. Should we use it or toss it out the window? We hope that you're willing to cooperate with us and make this project into a success. Yours sincerely, Rick Postma Ted Roeloffzen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easierDownload IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing listWicket-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
That sounds good. The main component that I think is needed is one that allow the user to create rich documents. There are already many solutions for this, but they are generally not well integrated. (By rich documents, I mean rich text + images + minimal layout). Images are an important problem because they must probably be processed in several ways, such as downsampling to optimize storage space. For rich text, we have used APT format, which is a minimal acceptable solution, and XDOC which is much better for a programmer but would need a front end for end users. The next need would be a way to mark the documents with different status, and a user hierarchy management system that would allow to manage user rights to: read write edit publish unpublish etc. Version tracking is also something that is desirable, although less important. Other functionnlities I can think of are Manage list of users that subscribe to receive mail about different events (new document, change in document status, etc). Calendar and the possibility to program events in advance, such as document publication or unpublication. Availability of some content through RSS or web services Statistics about the application use... Of course, i18n and styling is mandatory, but this comes for free with Wicket ;-) Pierre-Yves Ted Roeloffzen a écrit : What we would like to do is create these components and to incorporate those in a comlete application. The components could become a Wicket-extension and the CMS could be used by others. Ted Rick On 9/13/06, *Pierre-Yves Saumont* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, What is the intended audience? Do you intend to create a product suitable for CMS administrators needs? In that case, we (the list) might not really be the ones to ask. Most people here would probably be more interested in a Wicket-CMS extension, something that would help us to create CMSlike applications rather than a full standalone app. As far as I am concerned, I would need components that allow to integrate easyly some CMS functionnlities in a Web app more than a complete application. Pierre-Yves Ted Roeloffzen a écrit : Hello Wicket community, We, two IT-students, are currently working on our graduation assignment. Our assignment states that we develop a Wicket CMS, or at least components for the CMS. This assignment will take place from 4-9-2006 until late January of 2007. At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems are offering and which we should implement in the Wicket CMS. At the same time we are researching how wicket works and which options are useful for using in the Wicket CMS. Through this mailinglist we would like to inform you about our assignment and we were hoping to get any suggestions and ideas from you, about which kind of components would you like to see and which not. We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. Are you familiar with this JSR and if so what are your experiences with it. Should we use it or toss it out the window? We hope that you're willing to cooperate with us and make this project into a success. Yours sincerely, Rick Postma Ted Roeloffzen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application
Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
I can imagine 2 very basic components (assuming jsr-170 is used): - An editor component Features: - supporting different client side editors (e.g. FCKeditor and such) or clear text (e.g. for Textile fans) - supporting different models, but at least an implementation of a jsr-170 detachable model - preview? - A tree component Features: - icons configurable for different node types - shows a part of the jsr-170 tree, with filters to further remove items from the tree You will also have to think about what you want to do with images and other types of binary files (pdf, flash, etc.). Another common cms hurdle is linking between articles/pages/whatever text and linking from those text to binary files. A very important aspect of modern CMSs is the ability to add metadata to articles. Though there are many, components for categories and/or labels would be nice. Commenting is perhaps also something to look at. Erik. Ted Roeloffzen schreef: What we would like to do is create these components and to incorporate those in a comlete application. The components could become a Wicket-extension and the CMS could be used by others. Ted Rick On 9/13/06, *Pierre-Yves Saumont* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I am concerned, I would need components that allow to integrate easyly some CMS functionnlities in a Web app more than a complete application. Pierre-Yves -- Erik van Oosten http://www.day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 If you're wanting your CMS to be anything more than a school projects, I don't really consider JSR-170 to be an optional piece. Both Liferay and JBoss Portal are either adding or have already added support for it. AFAIK, all the major players are as well. Ted Roeloffzen wrote: Hello Wicket community, We, two IT-students, are currently working on our graduation assignment. Our assignment states that we develop a Wicket CMS, or at least components for the CMS. This assignment will take place from 4-9-2006 until late January of 2007. At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems are offering and which we should implement in the Wicket CMS. At the same time we are researching how wicket works and which options are useful for using in the Wicket CMS. Through this mailinglist we would like to inform you about our assignment and we were hoping to get any suggestions and ideas from you, about which kind of components would you like to see and which not. We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. Are you familiar with this JSR and if so what are your experiences with it. Should we use it or toss it out the window? We hope that you?re willing to cooperate with us and make this project into a success. Yours sincerely, Rick Postma Ted Roeloffzen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user - -- Justin Lee http://www.antwerkz.com AIM : evan chooly Skype : evanchooly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (Cygwin) iD8DBQFFCAeKJnQfEGuJ90MRA56CAJ9ZmmUzaxR1aVIHZryria/wEKigsgCfZcxJ eHgmltzkJtIWcJnebiu4ST8= =JdsZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
[Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
Hello Wicket community, We, two IT-students, are currently working on our graduation assignment. Our assignment states that we develop a Wicket CMS, or at least components for the CMS. This assignment will take place from 4-9-2006 until late January of 2007. At this stage of the project we are just researching which options current popular CMS systems are offering and which we should implement in the Wicket CMS. At the same time we are researching how wicket works and which options are useful for using in the Wicket CMS. Through this mailinglist we would like to inform you about our assignment and we were hoping to get any suggestions and ideas from you, about which kind of components would you like to see and which not. We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. Are you familiar with this JSR and if so what are your experiences with it. Should we use it or toss it out the window? We hope that youre willing to cooperate with us and make this project into a success. Yours sincerely, Rick Postma Ted Roeloffzen - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
Re: [Wicket-user] Developing a Wicket CMS
* Ted Roeloffzen: Our assignment states that we develop a Wicket CMS, or at least components for the CMS [...] We are also in doubt about using the JSR-170. Are you familiar with this JSR JSR-170 and especially its reference implementation Jackrabbit rock! I would love to see a wicket-contrib-jcr! -- Jean-Baptiste Quenot aka John Banana Qwerty http://caraldi.com/jbq/ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Wicket-user mailing list Wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
