Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-31 Thread JasonB
Alex Objelean wrote:
>The logic is simple: if you check a node - the checked Role is added to
> the list of selected Roles, otherwise it is removed from the list. At the
> same time, if you check a child - all the ancestors changes theirs state to
> intermediate (if their current state is unchecked, otherwise it doesn't
> change it's state). The intermediate state has the same meaning as unchecked
> state (its only purpose is to visually inform user about the implicit Roles
> are assigned to the list of selected Roles). 
It sounds to me like the model (data) is that of a standard checkbox, 
True or False. The intermediate state is only a visual cue for the user 
to represent a 'True' value higher up the hierarchic.

If this is the case, why don't you use standard HTML Checkbox components 
and use javascript to 'color', 'shade' or otherwise 'mark' the ancestors 
of a checked parent?

- Jason B.

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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-31 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> I would like such a more general component (core or extentions)

I'm looking forward to whatever you come up with :)

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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-31 Thread Johan Compagner
i dont think it is typically a tree functionality i would use such a componentfar most often in another area. Especially required checkboxes..I would like such a more general component (core or extentions)
johanOn 8/31/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/31/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> you don't have to use ajax or something> the click can just be a img src tag replaceTechnically, you don't have to, but as this typically is tree
functionality, it is wise - imho - to do so. Furthermore, on a clickyou should update, as this not only effects that one node in the tree,but also it's children.Eelco-
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-31 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 8/31/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you don't have to use ajax or something
> the click can just be a img src tag replace

Technically, you don't have to, but as this typically is tree
functionality, it is wise - imho - to do so. Furthermore, on a click
you should update, as this not only effects that one node in the tree,
but also it's children.

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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-31 Thread Johan Compagner
you don't have to use ajax or somethingthe click can just be a img src tag replace You do need a hidden field and  update what value is set on the backend the component should have a "renderer" something like the IChoiceRenderer
where you map the 3 states to your real object that you want in a modelwhat ever that is.johanOn 8/31/06, Eelco Hillenius <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:If I were to create that component, I probably would not extend from
CheckBox as both the model is semantically different and the renderingis done a different way. Instead, I would extend FormComponentdirectly. I also would not choose for a model that hastrue/false/null, which would imo be no less than a hack.
I think I would go for having a model with values none/all/some (enum)to represent what you're actually modelling, and I'd use an elementwith three images that when clicked uses _javascript_ to do an ajax call
(if you can use ajax) and replaces the image with another.EelcoOn 8/31/06, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I am glad that so many people start to debate in this topic. First of all I
> need to explain my usecase:>> it is indeed about a tree... I have a tree containing Roles (hierarchical> structure). There is a screen in which the user must select the Roles which> he want to assign to a user.
>The logic is simple: if you check a node - the checked Role is added to> the list of selected Roles, otherwise it is removed from the list. At the> same time, if you check a child - all the ancestors changes theirs state to
> intermediate (if their current state is unchecked, otherwise it doesn't> change it's state). The intermediate state has the same meaning as unchecked> state (its only purpose is to visually inform user about the implicit Roles
> are assigned to the list of selected Roles).>This kind of usecase is not singular. I am sure it would be very usefull> in many more situations, depending on applications needs.>Why I thought it would be a good ideea to extend the Checkbox
> FormComponent, is because it has almost the same functionality excepting the> existence of the intermediate state. The model object in this case should be> a Boolean object, holding the following values : [null, true, false] (the
> same ideea was posted by someone earlier)...>Another problem which must be taken in consideration is if the change of> state of this component should cause the form submition or not (see the Igor
> and Korbinian Bachl posts)... The way I thought to use it in my use case was> pro submiting the form & updating the whole tree, but Igor is right - this> involves a lot of data being sent to the server, which for a large tree
> structure can become unacceptable... I think, there can be different> approaches (each having its pros and cons)... Anyway, if you have any> thougths regarding the way this component can be implemented - they are
> welcome and thank you all for your posts!>>> Eelco Hillenius wrote:> >> > That's an interesting Widget! How would it work on the server side
> > though... what kind of model would it need.> >> > I'd be interested to hear about how you plan to use it. It seems this> > is a component you'd always use with a tree, correct? If so it would
> > just be a matter of letting the tree render the proper node images.> >> > Eelco> >> >> >> Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that
> >> I> >> need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox> >> (see here:> >> 
http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)> >> would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other> >> component> >> and it has nothing to do with the 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-31 Thread Eelco Hillenius
If I were to create that component, I probably would not extend from
CheckBox as both the model is semantically different and the rendering
is done a different way. Instead, I would extend FormComponent
directly. I also would not choose for a model that has
true/false/null, which would imo be no less than a hack.

I think I would go for having a model with values none/all/some (enum)
to represent what you're actually modelling, and I'd use an element
with three images that when clicked uses Javascript to do an ajax call
(if you can use ajax) and replaces the image with another.

Eelco

On 8/31/06, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am glad that so many people start to debate in this topic. First of all I
> need to explain my usecase:
>
> it is indeed about a tree... I have a tree containing Roles (hierarchical
> structure). There is a screen in which the user must select the Roles which
> he want to assign to a user.
>The logic is simple: if you check a node - the checked Role is added to
> the list of selected Roles, otherwise it is removed from the list. At the
> same time, if you check a child - all the ancestors changes theirs state to
> intermediate (if their current state is unchecked, otherwise it doesn't
> change it's state). The intermediate state has the same meaning as unchecked
> state (its only purpose is to visually inform user about the implicit Roles
> are assigned to the list of selected Roles).
>This kind of usecase is not singular. I am sure it would be very usefull
> in many more situations, depending on applications needs.
>Why I thought it would be a good ideea to extend the Checkbox
> FormComponent, is because it has almost the same functionality excepting the
> existence of the intermediate state. The model object in this case should be
> a Boolean object, holding the following values : [null, true, false] (the
> same ideea was posted by someone earlier)...
>Another problem which must be taken in consideration is if the change of
> state of this component should cause the form submition or not (see the Igor
> and Korbinian Bachl posts)... The way I thought to use it in my use case was
> pro submiting the form & updating the whole tree, but Igor is right - this
> involves a lot of data being sent to the server, which for a large tree
> structure can become unacceptable... I think, there can be different
> approaches (each having its pros and cons)... Anyway, if you have any
> thougths regarding the way this component can be implemented - they are
> welcome and thank you all for your posts!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Eelco Hillenius wrote:
> >
> > That's an interesting Widget! How would it work on the server side
> > though... what kind of model would it need.
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear about how you plan to use it. It seems this
> > is a component you'd always use with a tree, correct? If so it would
> > just be a matter of letting the tree render the proper node images.
> >
> > Eelco
> >
> >
> >> Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that
> >> I
> >> need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox
> >> (see here:
> >> http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)
> >> would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other
> >> component
> >> and it has nothing to do with the w3c.org specification...
> >
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-31 Thread Alex Objelean

I am glad that so many people start to debate in this topic. First of all I
need to explain my usecase:

it is indeed about a tree... I have a tree containing Roles (hierarchical
structure). There is a screen in which the user must select the Roles which
he want to assign to a user. 
   The logic is simple: if you check a node - the checked Role is added to
the list of selected Roles, otherwise it is removed from the list. At the
same time, if you check a child - all the ancestors changes theirs state to
intermediate (if their current state is unchecked, otherwise it doesn't
change it's state). The intermediate state has the same meaning as unchecked
state (its only purpose is to visually inform user about the implicit Roles
are assigned to the list of selected Roles). 
   This kind of usecase is not singular. I am sure it would be very usefull
in many more situations, depending on applications needs.
   Why I thought it would be a good ideea to extend the Checkbox
FormComponent, is because it has almost the same functionality excepting the
existence of the intermediate state. The model object in this case should be
a Boolean object, holding the following values : [null, true, false] (the
same ideea was posted by someone earlier)...
   Another problem which must be taken in consideration is if the change of
state of this component should cause the form submition or not (see the Igor
and Korbinian Bachl posts)... The way I thought to use it in my use case was
pro submiting the form & updating the whole tree, but Igor is right - this
involves a lot of data being sent to the server, which for a large tree
structure can become unacceptable... I think, there can be different
approaches (each having its pros and cons)... Anyway, if you have any
thougths regarding the way this component can be implemented - they are
welcome and thank you all for your posts!

 

   


Eelco Hillenius wrote:
> 
> That's an interesting Widget! How would it work on the server side
> though... what kind of model would it need.
> 
> I'd be interested to hear about how you plan to use it. It seems this
> is a component you'd always use with a tree, correct? If so it would
> just be a matter of letting the tree render the proper node images.
> 
> Eelco
> 
> 
>> Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that
>> I
>> need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox
>> (see here:
>> http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)
>> would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other
>> component
>> and it has nothing to do with the w3c.org specification...
> 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 8/30/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, you thought that up yourself :) I guess that *could* be a valid
> use case, though it is entirely different than this
> http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm
> component.

Where the choice is not so much null/yes/no but rather some/all/none

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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Yeah, you thought that up yourself :) I guess that *could* be a valid
use case, though it is entirely different than this
http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm
component.

Eelco


On 8/30/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not really.
> for example if you fill in a form (enquete) that has questions
> then you can have this:
>
> Do you think this is bad?   Yes/No
>
> But the default is nothing (because there is no data) so there is no
> selection yet..
> So the null thing is a not filled in question by the user.

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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Johan Compagner
not really.for example if you fill in a form (enquete) that has questionsthen you can have this:Do you think this is bad?   Yes/No But the default is nothing (because there is no data) so there is no selection yet.. 
So the null thing is a not filled in question by the user.johanOn 8/30/06, Eelco Hillenius <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:But it wouldn't be a direct model, as the indeterminate value would be
calculated from children, right?I just wonder whether a seperate component like that would make senseif - as I think - it is something you would only use in a tree.EelcoOn 8/30/06, Johan Compagner <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> the model could be simple:>> Boolean (null, true false)>> johan On 8/30/06, Eelco Hillenius < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> That's an interesting Widget! How would it work on the server side> though... what kind of model would it need.
>> I'd be interested to hear about how you plan to use it. It seems this> is a component you'd always use with a tree, correct? If so it would> just be a matter of letting the tree render the proper node images.
>> Eelco>>> > Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that> I> > need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox
> > (see here:> >> http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Eelco Hillenius
But it wouldn't be a direct model, as the indeterminate value would be
calculated from children, right?

I just wonder whether a seperate component like that would make sense
if - as I think - it is something you would only use in a tree.

Eelco


On 8/30/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the model could be simple:
>
> Boolean (null, true false)
>
> johan
>
>
>
> On 8/30/06, Eelco Hillenius < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> That's an interesting Widget! How would it work on the server side
> though... what kind of model would it need.
>
> I'd be interested to hear about how you plan to use it. It seems this
> is a component you'd always use with a tree, correct? If so it would
> just be a matter of letting the tree render the proper node images.
>
> Eelco
>
>
> > Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that
> I
> > need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox
> > (see here:
> >
> http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)
> > would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other
> component
> > and it has nothing to do with the w3c.org specification...
>
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Johan Compagner
the model could be simple:Boolean (null, true false)johanOn 8/30/06, Eelco Hillenius <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:That's an interesting Widget! How would it work on the server side
though... what kind of model would it need.I'd be interested to hear about how you plan to use it. It seems thisis a component you'd always use with a tree, correct? If so it wouldjust be a matter of letting the tree render the proper node images.
Eelco> Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that I> need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox> (see here:> 
http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)> would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other component> and it has nothing to do with the 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Korbinian Bachl



very true. 

  
  
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Igor 
  VaynbergGesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 21:20An: 
  wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netBetreff: Re: [Wicket-user] 
  Tri-state checkbox
  all this really depends on the site you are building. if you are 
  building a paypal.com then sure these things 
  apply, if you are building an intranet where you get to dictate what browsers 
  can and cannot be used then none of these apply. 
-Igor
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Igor Vaynberg
all this really depends on the site you are building. if you are building a paypal.com then sure these things apply, if you are building an intranet where you get to dictate what browsers can and cannot be used then none of these apply.
-IgorOn 8/30/06, Korbinian Bachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Dont know if you understand German, but here its more 
concrete: http://www.darw.de/statistik/
(the numbers come from php.net, 
google.de, mysql.com, 
w3c.org ) 
 
Basically, you see the result of last 150 to 200k User 
Agents that accessed these sites, from wich about 15 to 25 % have JS completely 
disabled, 35 to 55% sometimes disabled
 
and to the old browsers: yes, we have to support them, at 
least at a low level (e.g.: Fallback solutions is a have to) , as long as you 
want to do more than play with the web (e.g.: earn money) and JS has another 
problem: its a pain for handicapped people (e.g.: blind) 
 
the web was made for anyone, not just some 
tecchies...
 
Regards,
 
Korbinian
 

  
  
  Von: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von Igor 
  VaynbergGesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 20:55
An: 
  wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netBetreff: Re: [Wicket-user] 
  Tri-state checkbox
  
  
  


if you havent noticed its 2006 and _javascript_ is as pervasive as 
html 
 

WRONG !!! - i know 
companies, that for example have JS disabled at ALL of their systems - we 
have 2006 and thinking JS is everywhere is same as thinking that no illness 
exists because you see no ill people on the 
streets 
  this argument holds no water. i know of plenty of companies whose 
  public facing and intranet sites depend on _javascript_ - so?
  


just check netcraft - and 
wonder why we still (!) have netscape 4 around or IE3 and IE4 - with their 
buggy JS implementation
  doesnt mean we have to support those users does it? by the same 
  argument we then cannot use css because those browsers dont support it, and 
  can only use html 3. those browsers prob run on computers that have max 
  resolution of 640x480 - is that how you design your websites? 
   
  


have you also noticed for 
example that the German 
Government advises all users to deactivate _javascript_ because of Virus, 
Phising etc. ? - Same as many other governemnts 
do 
  what does _javascript_ have to do with phishing? there was an article a 
  long time ago on using xul to fake the firefox look and feel and replace the 
  address bar with a look alike - does that mean we now have to stop using 
  firefox?  
  


btw: i myself prefer 
browsing with JS deactivated as i hate popups like many others i know 

  thats your personal choice, personally i really like ajaxified 
  gmail.
  


further the usecases for checkboxes like this usually 
entail a lot of data on the form like a tree - so yeah it might suck to have 
it submit every time 

 unsure if this is 
really realistic...
  we havent heard the usecase - so how can you be unsure or sure? 
  notice i said _usually_ in my sentence which made it a hypothetical. 
  
  


not to mention form submits reset the page's scroll position most of 
the time, so if the user has to scroll to get to the checkbox it will get 
really annoying

use a 
anchor
  anchors do not preserve the vertical scroll offset, browsers always 
  put the anchors as close to the top as 
  possible.-Igor

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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Korbinian Bachl



Dont know if you understand German, but here its more 
concrete: http://www.darw.de/statistik/
(the numbers come from php.net, google.de, mysql.com, 
w3c.org ) 
 
Basically, you see the result of last 150 to 200k User 
Agents that accessed these sites, from wich about 15 to 25 % have JS completely 
disabled, 35 to 55% sometimes disabled
 
and to the old browsers: yes, we have to support them, at 
least at a low level (e.g.: Fallback solutions is a have to) , as long as you 
want to do more than play with the web (e.g.: earn money) and JS has another 
problem: its a pain for handicapped people (e.g.: blind) 
 
the web was made for anyone, not just some 
tecchies...
 
Regards,
 
Korbinian
 

  
  
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Igor 
  VaynbergGesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 20:55An: 
  wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netBetreff: Re: [Wicket-user] 
  Tri-state checkbox
  
  
  


if you havent noticed its 2006 and _javascript_ is as pervasive as 
html 
 

WRONG !!! - i know 
companies, that for example have JS disabled at ALL of their systems - we 
have 2006 and thinking JS is everywhere is same as thinking that no illness 
exists because you see no ill people on the 
streets 
  this argument holds no water. i know of plenty of companies whose 
  public facing and intranet sites depend on _javascript_ - so?
  


just check netcraft - and 
wonder why we still (!) have netscape 4 around or IE3 and IE4 - with their 
buggy JS implementation
  doesnt mean we have to support those users does it? by the same 
  argument we then cannot use css because those browsers dont support it, and 
  can only use html 3. those browsers prob run on computers that have max 
  resolution of 640x480 - is that how you design your websites? 
   
  


have you also noticed for 
example that the German 
Government advises all users to deactivate _javascript_ because of Virus, 
Phising etc. ? - Same as many other governemnts 
do 
  what does _javascript_ have to do with phishing? there was an article a 
  long time ago on using xul to fake the firefox look and feel and replace the 
  address bar with a look alike - does that mean we now have to stop using 
  firefox?  
  


btw: i myself prefer 
browsing with JS deactivated as i hate popups like many others i know 

  thats your personal choice, personally i really like ajaxified 
  gmail.
  


further the usecases for checkboxes like this usually 
entail a lot of data on the form like a tree - so yeah it might suck to have 
it submit every time 

 unsure if this is 
really realistic...
  we havent heard the usecase - so how can you be unsure or sure? 
  notice i said _usually_ in my sentence which made it a hypothetical. 
  
  


not to mention form submits reset the page's scroll position most of 
the time, so if the user has to scroll to get to the checkbox it will get 
really annoying

use a 
anchor
  anchors do not preserve the vertical scroll offset, browsers always 
  put the anchors as close to the top as 
  possible.-Igor
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Igor Vaynberg
if you havent noticed its 2006 and _javascript_ is as pervasive as 
  html 
   
  WRONG !!! - i know companies, that for example have JS disabled at ALL 
  of their systems - we have 2006 and thinking JS is everywhere is same as 
  thinking that no illness exists because you see no ill people on the 
  streets this argument holds no water. i know of plenty of companies whose public facing and intranet sites depend on _javascript_ - so?
just 
  check netcraft - and wonder why we still (!) have netscape 4 around or IE3 and 
  IE4 - with their buggy JS implementationdoesnt mean we have to support those users does it? by the same argument we then cannot use css because those browsers dont support it, and can only use html 3. those browsers prob run on computers that have max resolution of 640x480 - is that how you design your websites?
 have 
  you also noticed for example that the German Government advises all users to deactivate _javascript_ 
  because of Virus, Phising etc. ? - Same as many other governemnts do what does _javascript_ have to do with phishing? there was an article a long time ago on using xul to fake the firefox look and feel and replace the address bar with a look alike - does that mean we now have to stop using firefox?
 btw: 
  i myself prefer browsing with JS deactivated as i hate popups like many others 
  i know thats your personal choice, personally i really like ajaxified gmail.
further the usecases for checkboxes like this 
  usually entail a lot of data on the form like a tree - so yeah it might suck 
  to have it submit every time 
   unsure if this is really realistic...we havent heard the usecase - so how can you be unsure or sure? notice i said _usually_ in my sentence which made it a hypothetical. 
not to mention form 
  submits reset the page's scroll position most of the time, so if the user has 
  to scroll to get to the checkbox it will get really annoying
  use 
  a anchoranchors do not preserve the vertical scroll offset, browsers always put the anchors as close to the top as possible.-Igor
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Korbinian Bachl



 

  
  
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Igor 
  VaynbergGesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 20:24An: 
  wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netBetreff: Re: [Wicket-user] 
  Tri-state checkbox
  
  if you havent noticed its 2006 and _javascript_ is as pervasive as 
  html 
   
  WRONG !!! - i know companies, that for example have JS disabled at ALL 
  of their systems - we have 2006 and thinking JS is everywhere is same as 
  thinking that no illness exists because you see no ill people on the 
  streets 
   
  just 
  check netcraft - and wonder why we still (!) have netscape 4 around or IE3 and 
  IE4 - with their buggy JS implementation 
   
  have 
  you also noticed for example that the German Government advises all users to deactivate _javascript_ 
  because of Virus, Phising etc. ? - Same as many other governemnts do  
  
  btw: 
  i myself prefer browsing with JS deactivated as i hate popups like many others 
  i know further the usecases for checkboxes like this 
  usually entail a lot of data on the form like a tree - so yeah it might suck 
  to have it submit every time 
   unsure if this is really realistic...
   not to mention form 
  submits reset the page's scroll position most of the time, so if the user has 
  to scroll to get to the checkbox it will get really annoying
  use 
  a anchor 
   but at the end its really 
  up to alex and his usecase -Igor 
  Regards,
   
  Korbinian
   
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Nick Heudecker
I thought about something like this to represent null/yes/no, but figured it might confuse casual users.
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Igor Vaynberg
if you havent noticed its 2006 and _javascript_ is as pervasive as htmlfurther the usecases for checkboxes like this usually entail a lot of data on the form like a tree - so yeah it might suck to have it submit every time
not to mention form submits reset the page's scroll position most of the time, so if the user has to scroll to get to the checkbox it will get really annoyingbut at the end its really up to alex and his usecase
-IgorOn 8/30/06, Korbinian Bachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





too bad that you rely on JS then.. no more clean, nice html 
and no more save real world use - submitting the whole form IMHO is not a big 
problem 
 
Regards

  
  
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von Igor 
  VaynbergGesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 18:18An: 
  wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netBetreff: Re: [Wicket-user] 
  Tri-state checkbox
  too bad the point is not to submit the form on every click so input 
  type="submit" wont work.you need something to carry the value on form 
  submissions so you will need a hidden field. i would use a form that 
  composites a HiddenField and an img with onclick that toggles its src and the 
  hidden field's value. -Igor
  On 8/30/06, Korbinian 
  Bachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  just 
checked W3C,its ok to have multi   within a form - sothis would be secure.. you then can 
have a img over it with CSS similarto this 2 states example here 
http://www.ukthoughts.co.uk/journal/css-submit-buttonsif 
you would do this, then it would be 100% w3c compliant and safe for 
allbrowsers... > -Ursprüngliche 
Nachricht-> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[mailto: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag> von Alex 
Objelean> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 13:38> An: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
> Betreff: Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state 
checkbox>>> Unfortunately, the dropDownChoice component 
does not suite my needs.>> The ideea with button seems to be a 
good ideea, why not use > just  or 
 instead of > type="submit">... The 
problem> is: should I reuse the Checkbox code by extending it or 
just> extend Form component and render a button with a > 
corresponding image depending on its state & rewrite the> whole 
model logic?>> I think that there can be more than one 
different approach to> this problem, but I don't know which would be 
better or what > would you recommend?>> PS: I think 
that such a control (tristate checkbox) would be> very useful in 
wicket-extension.> --> View this message in context:> 
http://www.nabble.com/Tri-state-checkbox-tf2188974.html#a6057160
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Korbinian Bachl



too bad that you rely on JS then.. no more clean, nice html 
and no more save real world use - submitting the whole form IMHO is not a big 
problem 
 
Regards

  
  
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Igor 
  VaynbergGesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 18:18An: 
  wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.netBetreff: Re: [Wicket-user] 
  Tri-state checkbox
  too bad the point is not to submit the form on every click so input 
  type="submit" wont work.you need something to carry the value on form 
  submissions so you will need a hidden field. i would use a form that 
  composites a HiddenField and an img with onclick that toggles its src and the 
  hidden field's value. -Igor
  On 8/30/06, Korbinian 
  Bachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  just 
checked W3C,its ok to have multi   within a form - sothis would be secure.. you then can 
have a img over it with CSS similarto this 2 states example here 
http://www.ukthoughts.co.uk/journal/css-submit-buttonsif 
you would do this, then it would be 100% w3c compliant and safe for 
allbrowsers... > -Ursprüngliche 
Nachricht-> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[mailto: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag> von Alex 
Objelean> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 13:38> An: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
    > Betreff: Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state 
checkbox>>> Unfortunately, the dropDownChoice component 
does not suite my needs.>> The ideea with button seems to be a 
good ideea, why not use > just  or 
 instead of > type="submit">... The 
problem> is: should I reuse the Checkbox code by extending it or 
just> extend Form component and render a button with a > 
corresponding image depending on its state & rewrite the> whole 
model logic?>> I think that there can be more than one 
different approach to> this problem, but I don't know which would be 
better or what > would you recommend?>> PS: I think 
that such a control (tristate checkbox) would be> very useful in 
wicket-extension.> --> View this message in context:> 
http://www.nabble.com/Tri-state-checkbox-tf2188974.html#a6057160> 
Sent from the Wicket - User forum at Nabble.com.>>> 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Eelco Hillenius
That's an interesting Widget! How would it work on the server side
though... what kind of model would it need.

I'd be interested to hear about how you plan to use it. It seems this
is a component you'd always use with a tree, correct? If so it would
just be a matter of letting the tree render the proper node images.

Eelco


> Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that I
> need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox
> (see here:
> http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)
> would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other component
> and it has nothing to do with the w3c.org specification...

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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Igor Vaynberg
too bad the point is not to submit the form on every click so input type="submit" wont work.you need something to carry the value on form submissions so you will need a hidden field. i would use a form that composites a HiddenField and an img with onclick that toggles its src and the hidden field's value.
-IgorOn 8/30/06, Korbinian Bachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
just checked W3C,its ok to have multi   within a form - sothis would be secure.. you then can have a img over it with CSS similarto this 2 states example here
http://www.ukthoughts.co.uk/journal/css-submit-buttonsif you would do this, then it would be 100% w3c compliant and safe for allbrowsers...
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag> von Alex Objelean> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 13:38> An: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox>>> Unfortunately, the dropDownChoice component does not suite my needs.>> The ideea with button seems to be a good ideea, why not use
> just  or  instead of > type="submit">... The problem> is: should I reuse the Checkbox code by extending it or just> extend Form component and render a button with a
> corresponding image depending on its state & rewrite the> whole model logic?>> I think that there can be more than one different approach to> this problem, but I don't know which would be better or what
> would you recommend?>> PS: I think that such a control (tristate checkbox) would be> very useful in wicket-extension.> --> View this message in context:> 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Korbinian Bachl
just checked W3C, 
its ok to have multi   within a form - so
this would be secure.. you then can have a img over it with CSS similar
to this 2 states example here
http://www.ukthoughts.co.uk/journal/css-submit-buttons

if you would do this, then it would be 100% w3c compliant and safe for all
browsers...
 

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> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the dropDownChoice component does not suite my needs.
> 
> The ideea with button seems to be a good ideea, why not use 
> just  or  instead of  type="submit">... The problem
> is: should I reuse the Checkbox code by extending it or just 
> extend Form component and render a button with a 
> corresponding image depending on its state & rewrite the 
> whole model logic?
> 
> I think that there can be more than one different approach to 
> this problem, but I don't know which would be better or what 
> would you recommend? 
> 
> PS: I think that such a control (tristate checkbox) would be 
> very useful in wicket-extension.
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Alex Objelean

Unfortunately, the dropDownChoice component does not suite my needs.

The ideea with button seems to be a good ideea, why not use just  or  instead of ... The problem
is: should I reuse the Checkbox code by extending it or just extend Form
component and render a button with a corresponding image depending on its
state & rewrite the whole model logic?

I think that there can be more than one different approach to this problem,
but I don't know which would be better or what would you recommend? 

PS: I think that such a control (tristate checkbox) would be very useful in
wicket-extension.
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Korbinian Bachl
 > Well, thank you for your support :)... That's exactly what I needed!

yeah, getting beaten is always good ;)
 
> Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would 
> not say that I need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent 
> which looks like checkbox (see here:
> http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/
> Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)
> would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any 
> other component and it has nothing to do with the w3c.org 
> specification... 


having it this way, would mean to have a img that belongs to a form and is
changed on every tip on it... you could go for a link component that calls
the form everytime its used.. but no matter how you do it, it would be very
unstable in real world, as it depends on javascript, as in pure HTML only a
submit button can call a form .. maybe if you use a submit button with 3
different images based on a objectstate might work... but im not sure if
having multiple sumbit buttons for 1 form is W3C compliant and will work...

have you thought about usning a DropDownList with 3 fields ?? - might be
easier and more intuitive for the user..

Regards,

Korbinian


> 
> Korbinian Bachl wrote:
> > 
> > you know what the limits of HTML are 
> > 
> > suggest you look at w3c.org the HTML specs, and think about a 
> > realistic way to solve your business needs.
> > 
> > Regards
> >  
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> >> the same way as the normal checkbox do, but additionally it has an 
> >> intermidiate state which looks differently.. also, I want 
> to change 
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Johan Compagner
you can do this with images and an onclick handler on it i think.i don't think you can use the  type=check for thatjohanOn 8/30/06, 
Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, thank you for your support :)... That's exactly what I needed!Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that Ineed a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox
(see here:http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other component
and it has nothing to do with the w3c.org specification...Korbinian Bachl wrote:>> you know what the limits of HTML are >> suggest you look at 
w3c.org the HTML specs, and think about a realistic> way> to solve your business needs.>> Regards>>>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht->> Von: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag>> von Alex Objelean>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 12:21
>> An: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net>> Betreff: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox>>>>>> I need to implement a tri-state checkbox component. It must
>> behave the same way as the normal checkbox do, but>> additionally it has an intermidiate state which looks>> differently.. also, I want to change the look&feel of the>> checkbox control with another images (for instance MAC OS
>> style). What is the best way to do that? Should I extend the>> Checkbox and use  tag, or extend a Panel and implement>> the whole logic from scratch? Thank you!>> --
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Alex Objelean

Well, thank you for your support :)... That's exactly what I needed!

Maybe I was not clear enough in my specification. If I would not say that I
need a tri-state checkbox, but a formComponent which looks like checkbox
(see here:
http://www.indigorose.com/webhelp/vp20/Program_Reference/Misc/Tri-state_Checkbox.htm)
would it make sense? At the end, it is a component like any other component
and it has nothing to do with the w3c.org specification... 


Korbinian Bachl wrote:
> 
> you know what the limits of HTML are 
> 
> suggest you look at w3c.org the HTML specs, and think about a realistic
> way
> to solve your business needs.
> 
> Regards
>  
> 
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag 
>> von Alex Objelean
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 12:21
>> An: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Betreff: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox
>> 
>> 
>> I need to implement a tri-state checkbox component. It must 
>> behave the same way as the normal checkbox do, but 
>> additionally it has an intermidiate state which looks 
>> differently.. also, I want to change the look&feel of the 
>> checkbox control with another images (for instance MAC OS 
>> style). What is the best way to do that? Should I extend the 
>> Checkbox and use  tag, or extend a Panel and implement 
>> the whole logic from scratch? Thank you! 
>> --
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Re: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Korbinian Bachl
you know what the limits of HTML are 

suggest you look at w3c.org the HTML specs, and think about a realistic way
to solve your business needs.

Regards
 

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> Betreff: [Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox
> 
> 
> I need to implement a tri-state checkbox component. It must 
> behave the same way as the normal checkbox do, but 
> additionally it has an intermidiate state which looks 
> differently.. also, I want to change the look&feel of the 
> checkbox control with another images (for instance MAC OS 
> style). What is the best way to do that? Should I extend the 
> Checkbox and use  tag, or extend a Panel and implement 
> the whole logic from scratch? Thank you! 
> --
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[Wicket-user] Tri-state checkbox

2006-08-30 Thread Alex Objelean

I need to implement a tri-state checkbox component. It must behave the same
way as the normal checkbox do, but additionally it has an intermidiate state
which looks differently.. also, I want to change the look&feel of the
checkbox control with another images (for instance MAC OS style). What is
the best way to do that? Should I extend the Checkbox and use  tag,
or extend a Panel and implement the whole logic from scratch? Thank you! 
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