Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-06 Thread Mark J . Nelson
WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com writes: Yes, but may I also point out that one of our biggest problems on EN wiki is that even good faith newbies will often have their edits reverted. [...] By contrast commons is a relatively lonely place. This comment reminds me that for

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-05 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, As far as it is about me, I can say that I left wikimedia-l twice or three times. I left mainly because of the high amount of mails, also often not very useful mails, witty remarks in 1-2 lines for example. But I think that this is a good example for a quantitative research that should

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-05 Thread Juergen Fenn
Hello Ziko, Am 05.06.2015 um 09:33 schrieb Ziko van Dijk zvand...@gmail.com: But I think that this is a good example for a quantitative research that should later lead you to a qualitative look. And maybe it is indeed an indicator for something. In systems theory, one might think that the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-05 Thread WereSpielChequers
Yes, but may I also point out that one of our biggest problems on EN wiki is that even good faith newbies will often have their edits reverted. If you add uncited facts to a page you are now much more likely to have your edit reverted than to have someone add citation needed so I would suggest

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-05 Thread Aaron Halfaker
HI Ziko, I agree. That sounds like a TL;DR of my research agenda. :D - It started with http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/ - So I tied to make assessing newcomers easier

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-05 Thread Ziko van Dijk
The number one problem with Wikipedia seems to be the assessment of newbies and the communication with them. We often don't have enough information in order to see whether a contribution was made in good or bad faith. We usually simply revert. If the contribution was made in bad faith, that

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
Here's a list of possible metrics that we could use for measuring community health. That's a great list, with some great metrics. I'd be included to add some silo-breaking metrics which measure activity across projects or across silos within projects: * Number of editors with actions/edits on

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Pine W
Hi Luis, Aaron and all, Here's a list of possible metrics that we could use for measuring community health. Introductory notes: * I emphasized the number of unique contributors rather than number of contributions. * All of these metrics can be calculated over a variety of time-frames, although I

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Juergen Fenn
Am 04.06.2015 um 19:11 schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Reduced traffic on Wikimedia-l is mostly due to list moderation. That's plausible. Most people on wikimedia-l are moderated by now; I and others unsubscribed due to tyrannical moderation, too. Well, not exactly

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Juergen Fenn
Am 05.06.2015 um 01:05 schrieb Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org: We should concentrate on factual data for research in a long email about how everything is ruined forever because a moderator couldn't find anything of value in an uncited claim that Jan-Bart actively drove people away?

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Oliver Keyes
We should concentrate on factual data for research in a long email about how everything is ruined forever because a moderator couldn't find anything of value in an uncited claim that Jan-Bart actively drove people away? This must be what people mean by mixed methods ;) On 4 June 2015 at 18:29,

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Juergen Fenn, 04/06/2015 16:50: Reduced traffic on Wikimedia-l is mostly due to list moderation. That's plausible. Most people on wikimedia-l are moderated by now; I and others unsubscribed due to tyrannical moderation, too. Nemo ___

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Juergen Fenn
Am 04.06.2015 um 16:55 schrieb Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfa...@gmail.com: Hi Juergen, That's an interesting hypothesis. Do you have any evidence to support it? Of course, I cannot tell which guidelines are in force from the Foundation's point of view. As I said, I can tell from my personal

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Samuel Klein
Context: reduced traffic on wikimedia-l. Is this a sign of poor community health? To what extent has community energy and activity moved to other fora? Is list activity (for certain lists) a useful measure of activity and enthusiasm (about certain parts of the projects)? On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Juergen Fenn
Am 04.06.2015 um 16:33 schrieb Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: Context: reduced traffic on wikimedia-l. Is this a sign of poor community health? Reduced traffic on Wikimedia-l is mostly due to list moderation. All critical content has been filtered for a while. I became aware of it only

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread koltzenburg
...@lists.wikimedia.org Sent:Thu, 4 Jun 2015 09:55:02 -0500 Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread) Hi Juergen, That's an interesting hypothesis. Do you have any evidence to support it? On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Juergen Fenn jf...@gmx.net wrote: Am 04.06.2015 um 16:33

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Oliver Keyes
-0500 Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread) Hi Juergen, That's an interesting hypothesis. Do you have any evidence to support it? On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Juergen Fenn jf...@gmx.net wrote: Am 04.06.2015 um 16:33 schrieb Samuel Klein meta

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Andrew Lih
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Anecdata, but: as someone who no longer posts to wikimedia-l, I stopped posting because I find it a fundamentally toxic place to be. And related to this, when was the last time anyone recommended to a newbie: subscribe

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-04 Thread Aaron Halfaker
Hi Pine, Can you provide us with a quick summary of the start of this conversation and what the these kinds of questions might be? Thanks! -Aaron On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of specialized lists, I'd like to suggest that this discussion would

[Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-02 Thread Pine W
Speaking of specialized lists, I'd like to suggest that this discussion would be well suited to Research-l, where many people who are interested in these kinds of questions read and write about them more frequently than they do on Wikimedia-l. I'm boldly adding that list to the recipients for this