Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-14 Thread Houcemeddine A. Turki
novembre 2019 14:21 À : Discussion list for the Wikidata project Cc : Mark Graham Objet : Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:07 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) mailto:nemow...@gmail.com>> wrote: Let's not spread publish

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-13 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:07 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Let's not spread publisher FUD on Wikimedia lists, please. > I was about to say the same thing... else the lists will be takenn over by FUD/BCH wars "we may also keep in mind that 'limiting the availability, sourcing, and

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-13 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Let's not spread publisher FUD on Wikimedia lists, please. Liam Wyatt, 13/11/19 02:03: is there any bot that is systematically going around and collecting new URLs that are added with the Reference URL property (P854), adding them to Internet Archive, As long as MediaWiki is not broken, and

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-12 Thread Lucas Werkmeister
I believe that’s what InternetArchiveBot is for, but apparently at the moment it only updates references when they break; at least, that’s how Ymblanter summarized the request for permissions

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-12 Thread Liam Wyatt
To guard against link-rot of news websites when they're used as Reference for statements in Wikidata, is there any bot that is systematically going around and collecting new URLs that are added with the Reference URL property (P854), adding them to Internet Archive, copying the result, and then

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As more and more conditions are piled up, bias is not reduced but induced. Thanks, GerardM On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 09:55, wrote: > I see a gradual shift from open news articles to articles behind > paywall, that I guess must be a natural adjustment of the income model > as newspapers

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-12 Thread fn
I see a gradual shift from open news articles to articles behind paywall, that I guess must be a natural adjustment of the income model as newspapers transition from paper to the Internet. Good article, suitable for sources in Wikipedia and Wikidata, will probably more and more likely be

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It depends. When you approach it from a scientific point of view, you write your paper and are personally responsible for what you write. The bias of your paper may include the effort you take to verify sources. In Wikipedia it is NOT your paper and it is NOT only your responsibility. At the

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-11 Thread Andra Waagmeester
I don't if I agree with "just citing" the newspaper article. Why not push for resolvable citations if we have the technology? There is not much value in a citation if you can't access the source to verify, don't you think? On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:38 AM Wynand van der Walt wrote: > I like what

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-11 Thread Wynand van der Walt
I like what Andy is doing, As a librarian, however, an alternative would be to only cite the newspaper without the URL as this analog citation would be valid, meaning just cite the newspaper article. Regards, Wynand van der Walt Head Librarian: Technical Services Rhodes University Library On

Re: [Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 16:44, PWN wrote: > I’m constantly encountering newspaper articles that have disappeared from > Google and > are no longer viewable or even discoverable via Google. > They are often the sole reference url for statements, yet are behind a > paywall - notably >

[Wikidata] References to newspaper articles behind paywalls like newspapers.com

2019-11-11 Thread PWN
Hi all, I’m constantly encountering newspaper articles that have disappeared from Google and are no longer viewable or even discoverable via Google. They are often the sole reference url for statements, yet are behind a paywall - notably newspapers.com. How is the community handling the