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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-30 Thread RexxS

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  In T184000#6011411 , 
@JeanFred wrote:
  
  > In T184000#6007325 , 
@RexxS wrote:
  >
  >> It is unfortunate that Wikidata chose to use prose fragment case, as that 
never gets used in any application that I'm aware of.
  >
  > I don’t understand why this would be unfortunate. One can trivially convert 
prose fragment case to the case you desire (by upper-casing the first letter), 
while the reverse is not-trivial (one cannot just lower-case the first letter, 
because it might be a proper noun). Or am I missing something else?
  
  Yes, you're missing the third example I gave: "eBay", which I expanded upon 
in a subsequent post :
  
  > The use of those descriptions is for sub-headings, which naturally begin 
with a capital, with the exception of stylisations like "eBay" and scientific 
terms like "nCov-19".
  
  There is a non-trivial and unbounded set of words that always begin with a 
lower-case letter in English. So if you try to "trivially convert prose 
fragment case to the case you desire (by upper-casing the first letter)" you 
come unstuck in an undefinable number of cases. Why not store the description 
in title case as is recommended for enwiki short descriptions?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-30 Thread RexxS

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  Compared to the 14,986,105 entries with an English label but no English 
description. How does the bot-added English description "Wikimedia list 
article" help anyone create a label for Q1831702? or the description 
"scientific article (publication date: June 2006)" help anyone create a label 
for Q28242786?
  
  I remember that discussion titled "User instructions in descriptions are 
harmful" but I don't see how anybody could think that Siri (a speech-based 
virtual assistant) is an example of an application that shows
  
  set
  fundamental mathematical concept related to the notions of belonging or 
inclusion
  
  After all, Wikidata description with first letter converted to uppercase is 
used is used in enwiki mobile searches and the Wikipedia App unless we have 
created a local short description, as I explained earlier, but those don't use 
the Wikidata label.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-30 Thread JeanFred

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  In T184000#6007325 , 
@RexxS wrote:
  
  > It is unfortunate that Wikidata chose to use prose fragment case, as that 
never gets used in any application that I'm aware of.
  
  I don’t understand why this would be unfortunate. One can trivially convert 
prose fragment case to the case you desire (by upper-casing the first letter), 
while the reverse is not-trivial (one cannot just lower-case the first letter, 
because it might be a proper noun). Or am I missing something else?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-29 Thread Bugreporter

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  "Nobody uses the Wikidata description with labels" - Wikidata description 
with first letter converted to uppercase is used in Siri, see 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/08#User_instructions_in_descriptions_are_harmful
 (though it mentions an obvious issue to fix).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-29 Thread Bugreporter

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https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=hasdescription%3Aen+-haslabel%3Aen&search=hasdescription%3Aen+-haslabel%3Aen&title=Special%3ASearch&go=%E5%89%8D%E5%BE%80&ns0=1&ns120=1
 - 7,397,340 items with English description but no English label.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-29 Thread RexxS

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  In T184000#6007957 , 
@Bugreporter wrote:

  > Wikidata description is to be used with labels, so users in Wikidata will 
see:
  > set
  > fundamental mathematical concept related to the notions of belonging or 
inclusion
  > Georgia
  > state of the United States of America
  > In addition, not all items have an English label, so adding description 
will let users know what they are.

  Nobody uses the Wikidata description with labels, and you're confusing "users 
of Wikidata" with people reading an page on Wikidata. That's not how Wikidata 
is used, nor how it was meant to be used.

  The first example is twice as long as it needs to be to perform a useful 
purpose. The second one could use "USA state" without losing any meaning at 
all. These are being used as //short// descriptions, not essays.

  Descriptions are made in exactly the same languages as labels are. I've been 
working with Wikidata since it began, and in all that time, I've never seen an 
entry with a description in English, but no label in English. Can you point to 
a single example of that happening?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-29 Thread Pbsouthwood

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  As far as I can see no-one has answered RexxS's question. Is it likely that 
anyone here can actually do that?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-28 Thread Bugreporter

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  Wikidata description is to be used with labels, so users in Wikidata will see:
  
  set
  fundamental mathematical concept related to the notions of belonging or 
inclusion
  
  Georgia
  state of the United States of America

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-28 Thread RexxS

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  Wikidata is not an application, so I'm not sure of the value of its 
expectations., I'm unaware of any application that adds the description after 
the label in the way you describe, Perhaps you can name some examples?
  
  Otherwise the principal use of Wikidata descriptions is on the mobile 
platforms for the 6 million+ articles on the English Wikipedia, plus the 
millions of other articles in other language Wikipedias. The use of those 
descriptions is for sub-headings, which naturally begin with a capital, with 
the exception of stylisations like "eBay" and scientific terms like "nCov-19".
  
  When used to help searches on mobile, short descriptions are designed to 
distinguish items with similar titles as quickly as possible. That allows users 
to see a list of matching articles and pick the one they want without having to 
type the entire search term. For example, you should only need to type the 
first few characters of "Benzopyrene" before you see
  
  (+)-Benzo(a)pyrene-7,8-dihydrodiol-9,10-epoxide
  Cancer-causing agent derived from tobacco smoke
  
  which allows you pick the particular carcinogenic chemical derived from 
smoke, rather than any other "Benzo-" chemical.
  
  You don't need a short description to distinguish `Georgia (country)` from 
`Georgia (U.S. state)` or any of the other 30+ similar articles when searching, 
so neither the local short description nor the Wikidata description is needed 
in that case.
  
  The Wikidata short description for "set" (Q36161) is currently "fundamental 
mathematical concept related to the notions of belonging or inclusion". That is 
unnecessarily wordy and long for  a search using a mobile phone screen, so it's 
fortunate that the article is titled "Set (mathematics)" and that is easily 
enough to distinguish the article from any of the other 50+ articles listed on 
the disambiguation page. On the Wikipedia App, you see:
  
  Set (mathematics)
  Fundamental mathematical concept related to the notions of belonging or 
inclusion
  
  Can anybody give an example of a user who would find that lengthy sub-title 
useful? Particularly when you look at the opening sentence of the lead.
  
  An insistence that the Wikidata description has to be a stand-alone 
description of the entity is another reason why Wikidata descriptions are often 
unsuitable to do the job of short descriptions on Wikipedias.

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2020-03-28 Thread Bugreporter

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  In Wikidata it is excepted that the description can be added after label (or 
usually title) in parentheses, e.g. machine translation (sub-field of 
computational linguistics).
  
  Wikidata description is also designed to disambiguate items with the same or 
similar labels, so that no two items have same label and same description (and 
labels should not include disambiguation information). This is not the case of 
Wikipedia as no two article have same title and disambiguation is handled by 
article name. for example Georgia (country), in this case the "country" served 
the disambiguation purpose, similar to Wikidata description. Note Wikidata 
description should also be understandable independently, so "mathematics" is 
not a good description for "Set (mathematics)".

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-28 Thread RexxS

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  The advice given to editors adding short descriptions on enwiki is to use the 
same case as would be used in article titles, e.g. "American politician", 
"Largest city in England", "eBay Founder". Those are the correct case to use on 
any sub-heading such the search on mobile and the sub-heading on the Wikipedia 
App. It is unfortunate that Wikidata chose to use prose fragment case, as that 
never gets used in any application that I'm aware of.
  
  Editors will of course make mistakes, on either project, so differences in 
capitalisation won't be an argument in favour of using either project as the 
central repository.
  
  Because enwiki editors have found an extra use for the short description, as 
an annotation for links (in //See also// sections, for example), there will be 
valid examples of short descriptions that contain wikimarkup, usually a link. 
It's fairly straightforward to strip wikimarkup from any text, so that 
shouldn't be a barrier to importing short descriptions into Wikidata, where the 
markup would serve no purpose.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-28 Thread Bugreporter

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  Description are designated short enough to be uncopyrightable. Any long 
description (that is copyright eligible) should be rewritten.
  
  Previously I imported (as one-off task) ~11 short descriptions to 
Wikidata, and I found the short descriptions have such problems: 1. 
inconsistent use of capitalization of first character; 2. descriptions in title 
case (such as "Largest City in United States", where "city" should be in lower 
case); 3. wiki markup in description. in addition, a few short descriptions 
generated by templates does not make sense.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-27 Thread RexxS

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  Well it didn't seem to cause a problem for all of the statements imported 
from the various Wikipedias.
  
  It also doesn't seem to cause a problem for anybody using the enwiki 'short 
description helper', which silently and invisibly adds a Wikidata description 
whenever the enwiki short description is added. I'm not seeing any difference 
in licensing issues between that and the proposed updating bot.
  
  Wikidata remains unsuitable as a repository for article descriptions because 
of (1) its tardy response to vandalism of the description field; (2) the 
inability of a mechanism to validate the description field; (3) the lack of a 
mature and nuanced BLP policy that would prevent subtle but serious breaches of 
enwiki policies on living persons.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-27 Thread Mike_Peel

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  In T184000#6004316 , 
@TheDJ wrote:
  
  > I think we are forgetting that both systems have divergent copyright 
licenses, with WikiData the more liberal one. As such a bot automatically copy 
pasting would likely violate copyright licensing.
  
  That does cause a problem. @RexxS any thoughts? From my perspective, just 
maintaining them on Wikidata still seems to be the simplest option...

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2020-03-27 Thread TheDJ

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  I think we are forgetting that both systems have divergent copyright 
licenses, with WikiData the more liberal one. As such a bot automatically copy 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-26 Thread RexxS

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  The thing is, Mike, that the descriptions on Wikidata are monolingual. There 
is a separate description for every language, so it's not a matter of a central 
repository that can be used across all projects. The Wikidata description field 
is potentially useful for the corresponding language Wikipedia and the handful 
of multilingual Wikis, so it really doesn't find as many uses as statements do. 
Also unlike statements, it is not capable of being linked to a reliable source. 
so there's no inherent mechanism to promote reliability.
  
  I agree with Danny: we'd be far better off bot-importing the short 
description from the language Wikipedia into Wikidata's description. Or even 
better, dynamically importing the "local description' field, generated by the 
language Wikipedia as a read-only replacement for the Wikidata description.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-26 Thread Mike_Peel

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  In T184000#6003788 , 
@DannyS712 wrote:
  
  > In T184000#6003787 , 
@Mike_Peel wrote:
  >
  >> In T184000#6003783 , 
@DannyS712 wrote:
  >>
  >>> What about a bot importing the local descriptions from enwiki to 
wikidata? That way enwiki still has control over the content, but wikidata 
still has accurate and updated descriptions (that are then provided to commons, 
etc)
  >>
  >> I can write a bot that will do that. It would still suck, as it's 
duplicating descriptions rather than having a single place that the 
descriptions are updated at, and I expect that it would be opposed for that 
reason. But if you would support it, then I can write it up and propose it.
  >
  > It would suck, but its better than two different and diverging sources. We 
would need a way to tell the bot to skip certain items though...
  
  It still means that we maintain two separate databases containing what should 
be the same information. Telling a bot to skip certain items is a key problem, 
but not the only one, we still have to figure out how to automatically resolve 
arguments that arise between an editor on enwp and an editor on wikidata, or 
have some sort of mediation page.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-26 Thread DannyS712

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  In T184000#6003787 , 
@Mike_Peel wrote:
  
  > In T184000#6003783 , 
@DannyS712 wrote:
  >
  >> What about a bot importing the local descriptions from enwiki to wikidata? 
That way enwiki still has control over the content, but wikidata still has 
accurate and updated descriptions (that are then provided to commons, etc)
  >
  > I can write a bot that will do that. It would still suck, as it's 
duplicating descriptions rather than having a single place that the 
descriptions are updated at, and I expect that it would be opposed for that 
reason. But if you would support it, then I can write it up and propose it.
  
  It would suck, but its better than two different and diverging sources. We 
would need a way to tell the bot to skip certain items though...

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-26 Thread Mike_Peel

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  In T184000#6003783 , 
@DannyS712 wrote:
  
  > What about a bot importing the local descriptions from enwiki to wikidata? 
That way enwiki still has control over the content, but wikidata still has 
accurate and updated descriptions (that are then provided to commons, etc)
  
  I can write a bot that will do that. It would still suck, as it's duplicating 
descriptions rather than having a single place that the descriptions are 
updated at, and I expect that it would be opposed for that reason. But if you 
would support it, then I can write it up and propose it.

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2020-03-26 Thread DannyS712

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  In T184000#6003774 , 
@Mike_Peel wrote:
  
  > In T184000#5993141 , 
@RexxS wrote:
  >
  >> Just a "heads-up" that a search on enwiki articles for `hastemplate:"short 
description"` yields 2,083,124 results.
  >> May we assume that we will be moving on to Stage 2 in the near future?
  >
  > I really hope this never happens, and that the locally-defined descriptions 
are merged back to Wikidata. There are 2.8+ million infoboxes on Commons that 
are using the English descriptions from Wikidata, and there is currently no way 
that they can access the enwp descriptions.
  
  What about a bot importing the local descriptions from enwiki to wikidata? 
That way enwiki still has control over the content, but wikidata still has 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2020-03-26 Thread Mike_Peel

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  In T184000#5993141 , 
@RexxS wrote:
  
  > Just a "heads-up" that a search on enwiki articles for `hastemplate:"short 
description"` yields 2,083,124 results.
  > May we assume that we will be moving on to Stage 2 in the near future?
  
  I really hope this never happens, and that the locally-defined descriptions 
are merged back to Wikidata. There are 2.8+ million infoboxes on Commons that 
are using the English descriptions from Wikidata, and there is currently no way 
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2018-06-12 Thread gerritbot

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Change 423245 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add local and central description to page info

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2018-06-12 Thread gerritbot

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Change 423244 merged by jenkins-bot:
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-05-15 Thread Pbsouthwood

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a) What side effect?
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2018-05-15 Thread Tgr

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Every magic word with a side effect works in a last-one-wins manner; it would be pretty confusing to change that just for this one, IMO. Anyway, probably better to discuss in a new task than an already-closed one.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: Pbsouthwood, Deskana, Catrope, RexxS, Nikerabbit, Dbrant, LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, TBolliger, QZanden, Taquo, LawExplorer, catalandres, JJMC89, B20180, Karthik_sripal, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Josve05a, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Jdforrester-WMF, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-05-14 Thread Pbsouthwood

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The magic word SHORRTDESC stores the last instance found on the page. This is problematic and it would be preferable to store the first instance. Please fix

Short descriptions are automatically produced by several templates, Some produce a generic short description suitable for a large number of pages, such as disambiguation pages. Others assemble a short description from component parameters of an infobox, which are sufficient in most cases, but seldom ideal. In cases where a local customised short description is preferred, this is added to the toop of the article for readons discussed on Wikipedia, which come down to that the top of the article is whre people will look for it as it is an annotation to the title. Currently the last instance of the magic word defines the stored short description. This should be changed so that the first instance is storedTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, PbsouthwoodCc: Pbsouthwood, Deskana, Catrope, RexxS, Nikerabbit, Dbrant, LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, TBolliger, QZanden, Taquo, LawExplorer, catalandres, JJMC89, B20180, Karthik_sripal, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Josve05a, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Jdforrester-WMF, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-04-05 Thread TheDJ

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Since people don't want to wait for proper development, nor are capable of writing their own scripts (why do we even bother with gadgets etc any longer? ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-Page_descriptions.jsTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, TheDJCc: Deskana, Catrope, RexxS, Nikerabbit, Dbrant, LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, TBolliger, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Taquo, LawExplorer, catalandres, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Karthik_sripal, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Josve05a, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-04-03 Thread Deskana

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In T184000#4088625, @Mike_Peel wrote:

In T184000#3990055, @Mike_Peel wrote:
Will it be possible to access/display the descriptions in the text of other articles (e.g., list articles, or ideally even on Commons/other projects), or will this be write-only from the perspective of editing?


Asking this again in light of the recent activity.


The local description can be retrieved from the API using prop=description, so anything that can query the API can use the description.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, DeskanaCc: Deskana, Catrope, RexxS, Nikerabbit, Dbrant, LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, TBolliger, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, Taquo, LawExplorer, catalandres, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Karthik_sripal, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Josve05a, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-31 Thread gerritbot

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Change 423245 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gergő Tisza; owner: Gergő Tisza):
[mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add local and central description to page info

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-31 Thread gerritbot

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Change 423244 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gergő Tisza; owner: Gergő Tisza):
[mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Refactor business logic in description API into helper class

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-29 Thread RexxS

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I've now enabled the magic word on some 4600 articles on English Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Short_description

That should give some scope for testing where you want the output of {{SHORTDESC:}} to go to.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, RexxSCc: RexxS, Nikerabbit, Dbrant, LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, TBolliger, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread Tgr

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In T184000#4088575, @DannyH wrote:
VisualEditor should be included in this; the short description should use the override everywhere that the description is used on English WP.


From a quick grep, the affected MediaWiki extensions seem to be CirrusSearch, ContentTranslation, MobileFrontend, RelatedArticles and VisualEditor.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread Mike_Peel

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In T184000#3990055, @Mike_Peel wrote:
Will it be possible to access/display the descriptions in the text of other articles (e.g., list articles, or ideally even on Commons/other projects), or will this be write-only from the perspective of editing?


Asking this again in light of the recent activity.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, Mike_PeelCc: LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread Tgr

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In T184000#4088258, @Jdlrobson wrote:
@Tgr do you plan to do one for mobile web or do you need me to organise that?


I'd leave that to Reading Web if that's OK with you.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread DannyH

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Thanks, Jon. So this is the most important follow-up:


use the new API in MobileFrontend, MCS and mobile apps (and maybe VisualEditor?)


VisualEditor should be included in this; the short description should use the override everywhere that the description is used on English WP.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, DannyHCc: LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread TheDJ

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action="">
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action="">
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread Jdlrobson

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@DannyH see follow ups - I think we need to update all clients now. @Tgr do you plan to do one for mobile web or do you need me to organise that?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, JdlrobsonCc: LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread DannyH

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I'm testing it out on enwiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_Train (Wikidata desc: Television program / enwiki desc: Western television series aired 1957-1965)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Madison (Wikidata: Actor / enwiki: American film and television actor)

I don't see the overrides showing up in the iOS app, but it's only been a couple minutes and it's probably cached. Is there an estimate for how long it'll take to see the override description?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, DannyHCc: LGoto, Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread Tgr

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Deployed on enwiki. Not used anywhere yet (I imagine {{short description}}, used on ~5000 pages, will be soon updated to use it); API help is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiHelp/query+description

Follow-ups needed:


add short description to page info so that editors can check the current value without having to call the API
add auto-tracking of Wikidata description to pages where the override is not used
use the new API in MobileFrontend, MCS and mobile apps (and maybe VisualEditor?)
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread Stashbot

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Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2018-03-28T13:42:06Z]  Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: Enable Wikidata description override on enwik (T184000) (duration: 01m 18s)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, StashbotCc: Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-28 Thread gerritbot

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Change 420227 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable Wikidata description override on enwiki

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-21 Thread Jdlrobson

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Note that given MobileFrontend doesn't always use the API it may need updating post this change.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, JdlrobsonCc: Jdlrobson, Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Tamgue, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-20 Thread Lydia_Pintscher

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Ok thanks!TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, Lydia_PintscherCc: Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Versusxo, Majesticalreaper22, Tamgue, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-03-19 Thread Tgr

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This is now in testwiki (also beta enwiki) and seems to be working well. Just from testing some large API queries, it seems on par with pageterms on performance (both are fairly fast even for thousands of pages). I think it could go to enwiki later this week, but I won't be around. Anyone willing to shepherd https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/420227 through SWAT? Otherwise, I can do it next Tuesday.


Display the override in the page information.


Oops, forgot to do that. Not a blocker, I'll add it later.


In T184000#4059476, @Lydia_Pintscher wrote:
@Tgr Are you going to tackle T173144 as well so the remaining descriptions are still being tracked and changes show up in the watchlist?


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Change 418843 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable Wikidata description override on testwiki

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Change 420227 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gergő Tisza; owner: Gergő Tisza):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable Wikidata description override on enwiki

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Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2018-03-14T23:45:26Z]  Synchronized wmf-config/Wikibase.php: T184000 Enable Wikidata description override on beta cluster (duration: 01m 14s)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, StashbotCc: Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2018-03-14T23:43:25Z]  Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings-labs.php: T184000 Enable Wikidata description override on beta cluster (duration: 01m 15s)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, StashbotCc: Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2018-03-14T23:41:02Z]  Synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php: T184000 Enable Wikidata description override on beta cluster (duration: 01m 15s)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, StashbotCc: Stashbot, WMDE-leszek, Elitre, gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Majesticalreaper22, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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Change 419083 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable Wikidata description override on beta cluster

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Change 419083 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gergő Tisza; owner: Gergő Tisza):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Enable Wikidata description override on beta cluster

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Change 418843 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gergő Tisza; owner: Gergő Tisza):
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Change 414633 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add parser function and API module for page descriptions

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-26 Thread Tgr

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Not sure about performance of the patch. PageProperties only does in-process caching (and even that only for lookups where the property exists); that sounds problematic but PagePropsEntityIdLookup (used by the pageterms API) does not do any caching either so maybe it's not so bad?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: gerritbot, TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Giuliamocci, Adrian1985, Cpaulf30, Lahi, Gq86, Baloch007, Darkminds3113, Lordiis, GoranSMilovanovic, Adik2382, Th3d3v1ls, Ramalepe, Liugev6, QZanden, LawExplorer, Lewizho99, JJMC89, Maathavan, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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Change 414633 had a related patch set uploaded (by Gergő Tisza; owner: Gergő Tisza):
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-23 Thread Tgr

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In T184000#3997699, @daniel wrote:
Conceptually, this mechanism could be used to provide short descriptions without wikibase being installed.


I'd rather put it in Wikibase for now, it can e reconsidered if someone actually shows interest in that. (We might want to rethink the whole thing once MCR lands, anyway.)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-23 Thread daniel

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prop=description sounds like a good way to do this! It's a little more work, but provides a more sensible interface to clients.

descsource=magicword|wikibase would work, but in general, clients should not know or care about this. At least, the default behavior in the absence of descsource should be a configuration option.

One big question is however where this code would live. It will have to know about wikibase, but only have a soft dependency on it. So it shouldn't be in core. It can live in wikibase, but I'd prefer it to be separate. Conceptually, this mechanism could be used to provide short descriptions without wikibase being installed. On the other hand, making this a separate extension may be too much overhead.

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2018-02-22 Thread Addshore

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@daniel pointed out to me that the pageterms api module was originally introduced for the apps etc to use.
For future, APIs have the ability to be marked as "internal" if they are only designed for internal use, this would allow us to make whatever changes we want to suit the needs of wikimedia products.
If this was the case already for pageterms I really wouldn't mind what changes would be made (although it would probably make more sense that the module have a better name, appterms or similar)

In T184000#3991404, @DannyH wrote:
@daniel & @Tgr -- sorry, I misspoke in my last comment. I talked to a couple more people and I understand it better now. :) We should do the second option and create a new mode of the API. I believe that means we won't have to notify Wikibase, so that should save some time.

Woo!

In T184000#3991482, @Tgr wrote:
So something like prop=description I suppose?

How would the other two implementations get exposed? A site configuration option?

So, prop=description sounds like the approach that would totally separate this from wikibase, which in my eyes is a good idea.
The choice of implementation could just be provided as another parameter to the api module, this could even be multivalue to allow fallbacks, for example:

prop=description&descsource=wikibase - Description comes from wikibase directly.
prop=description&descsource=magicword - Description comes from magicword.
prop=description&descsource=magicword|wikibase - Description comes from the magic word with a fallback to wikibase.
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2018-02-21 Thread Tgr

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Thanks @DannyH.


In T184000#3990096, @daniel wrote:
If changing client behavior is an option, my preferred approach would be to introduce a new API module that offers a short description and (to the outside) says nothing about where it comes from, and then have one implementation that uses wikidata, one that uses the magic word, and one that combines both using some kind of fallback logic. But as far as I understand, we do not have this luxury.


So something like prop=description I suppose?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread DannyH

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@daniel & @Tgr -- sorry, I misspoke in my last comment. I talked to a couple more people and I understand it better now. :) We should do the second option and create a new mode of the API. I believe that means we won't have to notify Wikibase, so that should save some time.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, DannyHCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread Tgr

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In T184000#3987715, @Tgr wrote:
The only one I can think of is when a client feeds this information back to Wikidata, e.g. by showing editable article descriptions, and I'm not aware of anything doing that (there was work on it for the official apps in T90765 and T145813 but not enabled yet).

(@bearND pointed out that the Android app does that, but not on English Wikipedia.)

In T184000#3988377, @Addshore wrote:
It is still a breaking change / change in behaviour.
...

The https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Stable_Interface_Policy says:
The Wikibase Web API accessible via https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php is considered a stable interface. Changes to the parameters, operation, or returned data structure are subject to the above notification policy.
Breaking change: a change to an API or data format that violates guarantees given or widely assumed before. Breaking changes include removal of API functions, parameters, or data fields and changes to the interpretation or format of parameters or data fields.

The policy requires an announcement two weeks in advance for breaking changes. One could argue whether it applies or not (it talks about www.wikidata.org APIs, which would not change), but that seems doable anyway; that means we should decide now which way to go and make the announcement (or not). I think how to handle legacy clients is a product decision so I'll kick this upwards. @DannyH asked for the breaking change option (or at least that's how I understood T184000#3953713) but maybe he or @Lydia_Pintscher wants to reconsider in light of the arguments brought up since.

To recap, we can either:

change the behavior of the API, to return the override when called the way clients call it currently (no extra parameters etc). That would automatically "upgrade" all clients out there to honor the override; if for some reason they rely on the description being specifically the same as the Wikidata description (e.g. because they allow editing and then write it back to Wikidata), they might break.
make the override a new "mode" of the API (that could be an opt-in behavior of the pageterm API that can be enabled by some extra parameter; or an extra field in the API output; or a new/different API module). That would mean all clients which want to honor the override need to be updated to use the API in the new way (see T184000#3954787 for a list of current clients); and then wait until end-users update their clients (for apps and other locally hosted software that can have a considerable long tail).

If we go with the first version, someone needs to decide whether we need to apply the timeline from the stable interface policy (at least two but preferably four weeks between announcement and deployment). That's a call for the Wikidata developer team I think.

In T184000#3988387, @TheDJ wrote:
@Tgr Hmm. I just realised that pageterms module also reflects the wikidata content in the language as indicated by uselang... that's another potential api breaking point.

IMO we should only override pageterms that are in the content language. Or maybe those which are queried in the content language (it's a close enough approximation and makes things simpler).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread daniel

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IMO we should only override pageterms that are in the content language. Or maybe those which are queried in the content language (it's a close enough approximation and makes things simpler).

Yes, going by the requested language seems correct. And overriding descriptions requested in other languages would certainly be the wrong thing to do.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, danielCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread DannyH

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As @daniel said, the purpose of this ticket is to change the way that this works. I think we should do the first option in @Tgr's message above -- all clients should honor the override. We've made a commitment to people on English Wikipedia that this will be done.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, DannyHCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread daniel

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@Addshore I guess the problem here is that what technically is a breaking change is also the requirement of this ticket: make existing clients receive the overwritten local description, without any change to the client. We cannot fulfill that requirement without a breaking change.

If changing client behavior is an option, my preferred approach would be to introduce a new API module that offers a short description and (to the outside) says nothing about where it comes from, and then have one implementation that uses wikidata, one that uses the magic word, and one that combines both using some kind of fallback logic. But as far as I understand, we do not have this luxury.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, danielCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread Mike_Peel

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In T184000#3988364, @Alsee wrote:
However the seesaw/swing example still proves the fundamental point. Wikidata descriptions are descriptions of Wikidata items, for Wikidata purposes. Trying to put a Czech article-description in the Wikidata-description would be flat-out wrong. And using a Wikidata description as the Czech article description is going to be wrong.

Wikidata descriptions commonly have a passable resemblance to article descriptions, and some clients may sloppily or carelessly use them for that purpose, but Wikidata descriptions are not article descriptions. They never were.


This is partly true, but partly not. I'd describe them more as 'topic descriptions' - this is the description about what this topic is about, with links to the Wikipedia articles about it. Where the descriptions are well-written, then they do both what you are referring to as 'Wikidata descriptions' or 'article descriptions' (which are, sadly, yet another example of 'us vs them' thinking in this area...).

Although I still think the solution here is to improve the descriptions on Wikidata (and @daniel was spot-on here in his comments above), leaving that aside I have a question about the implementation. Will it be possible to access/display the descriptions in the text of other articles (e.g., list articles, or ideally even in Commons categories), or will this be write-only from the perspective of editing?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, Mike_PeelCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread Alsee

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According to the API info, it looks like a pageterms API call is doing the correct thing, returning a Wikidata value. That probably shouldn't be broken. It appears the issue is the bits of code making the API calls. They are explicitly requesting Wikidata values.

It looks like the magic word description belongs under pageprops. However returning Wikidata descriptions though here would be just as wrong as returning the page description via the Wikidata API call.

It looks like the options are:

Abuse the Wikidata API call to return a value from either source;
Abuse the page properties to return a value from either source;
Have the calling code deal with both API calls;
Have a new API call somewhere that isn't explicitly tied to a source; or
Open a discussion on Meta and/or some of the other big wikis to consider the likely case that "silent" wikis have the same concerns and the same position as EnWiki. Then all calling code could be changed to use a pageprops API call.

1 and 2 are basically broken APIs. I hope we can veto broken APIs. 3 is gross, and should be scratched as well. Assuming I didn't miss anything, I think that pretty much leaves 4 or 5 as credible options. And in regard to #5, the fundamental reason for mess here is the plan to use one source for 50% of pageviews, and use a second source for the other 50%. (I checked the stats, EnWiki is in a close ballpark of 50%.)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, AlseeCc: TheDJ, Fjalapeno, Mholloway, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread Addshore

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In T184000#3988387, @TheDJ wrote:
@Tgr Hmm. I just realised that pageterms module also reflects the wikidata content in the language as indicated by uselang...  that's another potential api breaking point.


Yup, another reason to not change the "description" key.

In a world where we factor out page terms into its own thing and could move things around a nice final output could be something like:

[
'wikibase' => [
'label' => 'Foo1',
'description' => 'Foo2',
],
'article' => [
'description' => 'from the parser function',
]
]



BTW. I wondered where "terms" originated from in wikidata speak. Best I could find was: "Term is a technical concept representing some text (a single string) in a specific language. Allocated in a set contained by a Fingerprint, Terms are used to capture Labels and Descriptions of Entities."

From an older version of the wikibase development glossary: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Henning_(WMDE)/Wikibase/Glossary#Term

So yes, a term is basically a string in a specific language, although the term "term" can appear in different ways at different levels of the system.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread TheDJ

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@Tgr Hmm. I just realised that pageterms module also reflects the wikidata content in the language as indicated by uselang...  that's another potential api breaking point.

BTW. I wondered where "terms" originated from in wikidata speak. Best I could find was: "Term is a technical concept representing some text (a single string) in a specific language. Allocated in a set contained by a Fingerprint, Terms are used to capture Labels and Descriptions of Entities."

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread Addshore

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In T184000#3988364, @Alsee wrote:
Can someone post a link to the relevant API documentation page?


You might mean this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action="">


In T184000#3987715, @Tgr wrote:
Is it actually breaking anything, though?


It is still a breaking change / change in behaviour.
Things could currently be using the behaviour that we advertise, changing the behaviour would be a break.
It is rather easy to avoid this breaking change, just don't change the definition of the "description" key in the api output.

The only one I can think of is when a client feeds this information back to Wikidata, e.g. by showing editable article descriptions, and I'm not aware of anything doing that (there was work on it for the official apps in T90765 and T145813 but not enabled yet).

That's a great example of how things could break.
If a client assumes the description returned by the page terms api is the wikidata description (which is currently a correct assumption and what is advertised) and goes on to make edits with it or even compare it with descriptions then things will start to break.


The https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Stable_Interface_Policy says:
The Wikibase Web API accessible via https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php is considered a stable interface. Changes to the parameters, operation, or returned data structure are subject to the above notification policy.




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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-21 Thread Alsee

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@Tgr thanks for catching my sloppy hatmaking example. Hatmaking is an illustration for a completely different serious bug - interwiki links are badly broken. 75% of the interwiki links are missing from the English article , and 75% of languages with an article are missing interwiki links to English version.

However the seesaw/swing example still proves the fundamental point. Wikidata descriptions are descriptions of Wikidata items, for Wikidata purposes. Trying to put a Czech article-description in the Wikidata-description would be flat-out wrong. And using a Wikidata description as the Czech article description is going to be wrong.

Wikidata descriptions commonly have a passable resemblance to article descriptions, and some clients may sloppily or carelessly use them for that purpose, but Wikidata descriptions are not article descriptions. They never were.

Whoever started using Wikidata descriptions as article descriptions either made a deliberate decision that a convenient and sloppy-resemblance to "right" was better than nothing; or they were careless and didn't think through what they were doing. Either way, it's the 100th case where we could have saved a lot of headaches if the WMF had talked to the community before building the code.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-20 Thread Addshore

Addshore added a comment.

In T184000#3984789, @Tgr wrote:

The parser function hook stores the argument of the parserfunction in the ParserOutput's page properties with a wikibase-description-override key.

So, this doesn't really have anything to do with wikibase, what we are adding here is a parser function to register an article description, that we want to be accessible via an API.
I agree with what @Alsee says that the description of the wikidata item and the description of the article can be and probably should be two distinct things.

In PageTerms::execute go through the returned terms, and replace the descriptions with overrides when available. Rely on the PageProps class to do the caching.

Maybe keep the Wikidata description and add it to the API result under a different name (wikibaseDescription? originalDescription?) so that old clients will automatically use the overrides while clients aware of what's going on can decide for themselves.

So, again overriding the current wikidata description here is a breaking change.
We should not do that.
If we want to add something new, such as an article description, lets add it under a new key called "article-description" instead of redefining something that already exists and has a clear definition.

Modify the API help messages (only if overrides are enabled) to make clear what's happening. Not considered an API B/C break since clients still get a description, just from a slightly different source.

Again, changing what is under the description key is a break in compatibility in my eyes, the description key should remain the wikidata description for the item linked to the article. If we want to add other stuff, then sure.

In T184000#3986504, @daniel wrote:
@Tgr Sounds like a decent plan. In an ideal world, the "short description" functionality would be factored out of wikidata, so it could be backed by *just* the magic word or *just* wikidata or both combined or something else. But that would of course break B/C. So I suppose modifying PageTerms is an OK solution. I agree that making TermSqlIndex aware of the override wouldn't be a good choice.

We could factor out the page terms stuff and not break B/C, just leaving the wikidata stuff where it is now and adding new keys for extra stuff. 'description' and 'article-description' could live side by side. One backed by wikidata and one backed by a magic word / parser function.

Instead of making the "original" description available in addition (which one is "original" anyway?) or indicating whether the description returned was overwritten, perhaps add a parameter for suppressing the override, forcing the use of the description from wikidata: disable-description-override or force-shared-description or something.

A param could be another route, something that would allow selecting of the source of the terms. options could be 'wikibase', or 'parser-overrides' or 'wikibase-fallback' etc with varying behaviours.

In T184000#3987276, @Tgr wrote:

In T184000#3987260, @Alsee wrote:
The Wikidata label is a description of the Wikidata item.

"Label" in Wikidata terminology is the article title (e.g. Q663375 has the English label "hatmaking" and English description "manufacture and design of hats and headwear"; there's a separate item for hatmaker).

This sentence is a bit misleading. "Label" in Wikidata terminology is nothing to do with 'article title'.
As written in the wikidata glossary "Label (also name) is the main name given to identify an entity".
So it is the term used to describe the concept of the item, but let's avoid the word article there to avoid any confusion.

In T184000#3985054, @TheDJ wrote:
@Tgr I'm assuming no markup (like in wikidata). What about text length restrictions ? (I remember space in pageprops was limited??)

Markup should be removed, probably just by stripping HTML tags. page_props.pp_value is a blob (65K) but page terms are VARCHAR(255) so probably best limit it to that. (Not sure if there should be some kind of error message if it has to be truncated.)

The length of a wikidata description is actually currently 250 rather than 255 (as is in the db).
This can be found in Wikibase.default.php in Wikibase/repo/config

// Define constraints for multilingual terms (such as labels, descriptions and aliases).
'multilang-limits' => [
'length' => 250, // length constraint
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-20 Thread Alsee

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I'm not familiar with all of the API issues, but if this helps:
The magicword Shortdesc: is actually a description of the article. The Wikidata label is a description of the Wikidata item. Someone thought Wikidata labels could conveniently be re-used as if they were an article description. But they aren't article descriptions.

For example, some Wikipedia languages have an article on "Hatmaking", other languages may have an article on "Hatmakers". They are all linked to the same Wikidata item, and it's pretty much random whether the Wikidata item is "Hatmaker" or "Hatmaking". Another example, Wikidata has items for "Seesaw" and "swing". However the Czech language has a single word that covers both, and Czech Wikipedia has a single article that covers both. (The Czech article is linked to one of those two Wikidata items at random, because of a Wikidata design flaw that can't handle the correct dual-linkage.)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-20 Thread daniel

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...as to registering the description as used: this should be governed by a separate setting. It really has nothing to do with the magic word.

I think the setting should be generic, not limited to descriptions. E.g.:

$wgWBClientSettings['impliciteUsageAspects'] = [ 'D', 'L' ];

...that would track implicite description and label usage for the "connected" item. Actually, this should be restricted to the content language (unless the wiki is multi-lingual):

$wgWBClientSettings['impliciteUsageAspects'] = [ 'D.en', 'L.en' ];

Actually, there already is one implicit usage being tracked: 'S' for the sitelink itself. This is done in lientParserOutputDataUpdater::updateItemIdProperty(). Other implicite usages should also be tracked there. That method is indeed triggered by the ContentAlterParserOutput hook, via ParserOutputUpdateHookHandlers::doContentAlterParserOutput.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-20 Thread daniel

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@Tgr Sounds like a decent plan. In an ideal world, the "short description" functionality would be factored out of wikidata, so it could be backed by *just* the magic word or *just* wikidata or both combined or something else. But that would of course break B/C. So I suppose modifying PageTerms is an OK solution. I agree that making TermSqlIndex aware of the override wouldn't be a good choice.

Instead of making the "original" description available in addition (which one is "original" anyway?) or indicating whether the description returned was overwritten, perhaps add a parameter for suppressing the override, forcing the use of the description from wikidata: disable-description-override or force-shared-description or something.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, danielCc: Mholloway, Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-20 Thread TheDJ

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@Tgr I'm assuming no markup (like in wikidata). What about text length restrictions ?

Regarding reflecting the wiki base value, i think it's best to indeed have that as an additional value within terms, but probably not by default. I'do think we would need some sort of marker in the API output, to reflect the source of the description

{
"batchcomplete": true,
"query": {
"pages": [
{
"pageid": 1973585,
"ns": 0,
"title": "STS-118",
"terms": {
"label": [
"STS-118"
],
"description": [
"human spaceflight"
],
"shared description": [ "original" ]
"datarepository": "local | wikidata | shared" (for Commons we have: "imagerepository": "shared")
}
}
]
}
}

This raises an interesting point... what about label ? Where is that used ? What should it do in this mode ? Reflect the page title ? automatically strip the (disambig) postfix if there is a description ?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, TheDJCc: Tbayer, MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-19 Thread Tgr

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Implementation plan:


Register a $wgWBClientSettings['descriptionOverride'] config variable.
When enabled, define a new parser function {{SHORTDESC:...}}.
The parser function hook stores the argument of the parserfunction in the ParserOutput's page properties with a wikibase-description-override key.
In PageTerms::execute go through the returned terms, and replace the descriptions with overrides when available. Rely on the PageProps class to do the caching.
...which doesn't actually seem to do it for negative results, so that needs to be fixed.
The alternative would be to modify / subclass TermSqlIndex to look at page properties, but that seems more wrong given that this is API-specific behavior that doesn't really have much to do with the actual page terms. (OTOH maybe there are non-API usages where there override needs to work? Such as Lua / templates?)
Maybe keep the Wikidata description and add it to the API result under a different name (wikibaseDescription? originalDescription?) so that old clients will automatically use the overrides while clients aware of what's going on can decide for themselves.

Modify the API help messages (only if overrides are enabled) to make clear what's happening. Not considered an API B/C break since clients still get a description, just from a slightly different source.
Somewhere at the end of parsing use a ParserOutputUsageAccumulator to register whether the description for the current page was overriden or not (the idea being that the description is always "in use" due to the mobile apps showing it, so it should always be exposed in recent changes etc same as if it were used in a template, unless it gets overridden). Not sure what's the right place for that, ContentAlterParserOutput maybe?


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-14 Thread TheDJ

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I'll remind everyone that any sort of community RFC only has an advisory influence to development. Development is not and never has been subject to any individual wiki's consensus model, which is something a certain subset of the community seems to have convinced themselves off. They exist as two cross pollinating pillars of the movement.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: Tgr, TheDJCc: MZMcBride, Alsee, bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-14 Thread Alsee

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@DannyH, if you dispute the close result then this is not the way to handle the situation.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-08 Thread bearND

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Are there any older app versions out there which might use a different method to get the data? Does Android use MCS?

Android uses MCS by default. There are a few exceptions but those wouldn't account for a big number like that. Where the numbers are coming from is that the Android app still uses pageterms to get the descriptions in other areas of the app: Read more, search results, nearby results, reading list. And then there's also the iOS app, which does the same plus also uses it for the description on top of each page.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: bearNDCc: bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-08 Thread TheDJ

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improve communication with developers

The community has been reaching out for over a year on most of these potential improvements, back when they stopped descriptions on the mobile website 2 years ago and very actively again for at least 8 months regarding the descriptions overall. Most community liaisons (esp  CKoerner) as well as people like Jon Katz, Lydia and Danny were more than informed at various stages during that time . Almost all these improvements had been suggested long ago by community members. The problem is that there is no one who has decided to prioritise these tasks, so nothing happened for 8 months (or 2 years for that matter). I wouldn't put this on community...TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TheDJCc: bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-08 Thread Addshore

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The plan is to just disable editing if there is an override, there is no sane way to edit the contents of a parserfunction.

Again with MCR (so a little down the line) there would be no reason the description couldn't be moved to it's own content blob, and editing would then be pretty trivial.


In T184000#3921313, @Addshore wrote:
The location of the override on the wiki could be anything, it could be a subpage of the article with some fancy code? It could be a magic word on the page, in the world of MCR it could also be its own content.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread Tgr

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pageterms API usage (requests per day, with part of UA after / cut off):

0: jdbc:hive2://analytics1003.eqiad.wmnet:100> select regexp_replace(useragent, '/.*', '') ua, count(*) count from apiaction where year = '2018' and month = 1 and day = 30 and params['action'] = 'query' and array_contains(split(params['prop'], '\\|'), 'pageterms') group by regexp_replace(useragent, '/.*', '') having count >= 100 order by count desc limit 1000;
...
Mozilla	42926496
WikipediaApp	23994632
ChangePropagation	4251145
Mobile-Content-Service	3377096
service-1547440102204384;Mozilla	581186
	143366
Java	110904
Node.js (metamap.me)	63012
CXServer	62462
webview;service-1547440102204384;Mozilla	31924
WMF Mobile Content Service dev	28542
Autn-WKOOP	21176
service-803478443041409;Mozilla	18071
python-requests	17268
V-for-Wiki	15473
wptools	9602
MT6735_TD	9240
Wikipedia	4795
service-567995106676718;Mozilla	4408
PKT-301	4368
Opera	3918
Telegram Wikipedia Inline Bot (see https:	2480
QwantMobile	2450
cont...@pintica.com	1872
Ruby	1662
RESTBase	1616
AppEngine-Google; (+http:	1428
webview;service-803478443041409;Mozilla	1330
WiktionaryMobile	1134
node-fetch	899
axios	893
Mozzila	722
YTBPLAYER	657
HTCT327t_TD	645
MT6572	515
P6	489
DDG-Android-3.1.1	475
Browser	464
MT6753_TD	444
webview;service-567995106676718;Mozilla	444
NokiaX2-01	384
TBW975112_9300_V0701 Linux	374
Nokia302	361
NokiaC3-00	345
K-Touch_C666t	333
UCWEB	300
MT6582_TD	290
HTCT328t_TD	277
MQQBrowser	265
service-1604925236199324;Mozilla	260
K-Touch_T619+	256
NokiaC2-01	252
Stops	230
com.zhihu.android	220
okhttp	211
iPEGMA toolbox (https:	202
i50	202
Xiaomi_2016051_TD-LTE	199
MT6571	173
Nokia7230	172
HTC_Desire_626_dual_sim	171
Xiaomi_2016112_TD-LTE	170
service-1625460451100514;Mozilla	159
SAMSUNG-GT-S3850	152
MT6752_TD	151
S351	150
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LG-H525n Mozilla	143
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Zeasn	130
MyPhone Rio Junior	125
LYF_LS_4002_12	121
Lenovo-A388t_TD	117
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webview;service-1625460451100514;Mozilla	112
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Aqua Raze	104
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AM506	100
87 rows selected (82.211 seconds)

So (some version of) at least one of the apps seems to use it directly. Plus of course all kinds of third party tools like a Telegram bot or some Wiktionary mobile app.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread Tgr

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The plan is to just disable editing if there is an override, there is no sane way to edit the contents of a parserfunction. (English only, yes.) Are there any older app versions out there which might use a different method to get the data? Does Android use MCS?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: bearND, Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread bearND

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@Tgr The iOS app does it directly through action=""> but that should be easy enough to change there to page_props as well if necessary. The harder part would be changing the description editing workflow on the apps.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread Tgr

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It might be that all WMF app versions that have a significant userbase today do things through MCS; I'd have to check. But behavior of clients that we can't realistically update should definitely be a consideration.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: TgrCc: Mike_Peel, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, bearND, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread daniel

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Yes, if the magic word were to set a page_prop then the pageprops api module can be used.

Hm, @Tgr just told me why this is problematic in practice: lots of apps on lots of phones call pageterms. We have no reliable way to update them. sighTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: danielCc: Mike_Peel, gh87, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, bearND, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread Addshore

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In T184000#3953954, @daniel wrote:

In T184000#3953713, @DannyH wrote:
@Tgr The description in the magic word should be used everywhere. The API should pull from the magic word and not the Wikidata description.


This seems to be a bit odd, the pageterms api should keep doing what it is currently doing. The description of the API module is:

Indeed. I assumed this would be done via page_props. pageterms is clearly not appropriate for this.


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread daniel

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@DannyH Sorry that I let my frustration show.

My concrete point here is: while you are touching this code, it would be trivial to add the missing watchlist integration for descriptions. So I'm suggesting to do that, there seems to be no reason not to.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: danielCc: gh87, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, bearND, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread daniel

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In T184000#3953713, @DannyH wrote:
@Tgr The description in the magic word should be used everywhere. The API should pull from the magic word and not the Wikidata description.


This seems to be a bit odd, the pageterms api should keep doing what it is currently doing. The description of the API module is:

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread Addshore

Addshore added a comment.

In T184000#3949932, @Tgr wrote:
One thing to clarify in the task description is whether the existing API field should be overridden. Currently the description is exposed in the description field of the pageterms API module; should that change if the magic word is used, or should there be a localdescription or something? Ie. do we want all tools to automatically change behavior (including community-maintained/unmaintained ones), or do we assume by default they should use the WD description by default and we switch over the apps etc. manually?

In T184000#3953713, @DannyH wrote:
@Tgr The description in the magic word should be used everywhere. The API should pull from the magic word and not the Wikidata description.

This seems to be a bit odd, the pageterms api should keep doing what it is currently doing. The description of the API module is:

Get the Wikidata terms (typically labels, descriptions and aliases) associated with a page via a sitelink. On the entity page itself, the terms are used directly. Caveat: On a repo wiki, this module only works directly on entity pages, not on pages connected to an entity via a sitelink. This may change in the future.

Changing that would be a breaking change.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread DannyH

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@Tgr The description in the magic word should be used everywhere. The API should pull from the magic word and not the Wikidata description.

@gh87 I posted on this English WP page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikidata/2018_State_of_affairs#Short_descriptions -- our intention is to follow the plan that we talked about in late Dec/early Jan, which is this ticket.

@daniel This plan was made as part of a months-long conversation with lots of people, including Lydia. If you want to talk about it, you should email me; I don't think it's a good idea to have that conversation on a Phab ticket where work is getting done.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: DannyHCc: gh87, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, bearND, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread daniel

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@gh87 I wonder whether this discussion was sufficiently informed by the technical options and implications.

For instance, this statement: That requires meaningful integration in Wikipedia watchlists and page history. Those are features that the Wikidata team is working on, but they don't currently exist, and they don't have a timeline for it. Similarly: There is also a technical problem in that the short description is currently not visible from desktop view,and does not show up usefully on watchlists, so vandalism can go undetected by Wikipedians.

It's true that there is no timeline for integration with page history, and it's unclear whether that is even desired. But integration with the watchlist can easily be achieved, and so can display on the desktop view (the hardest part is deciding where to show this). It's frustrating to see that these things were not considered in the discussion. My impression is that the decision was made based on the assumption that proper watchlist integration was a hard problem, which it is not.

I'm not suggesting to go against a community decision. I'm suggesting to:

make alternative solutions available, if doing so does not require much extra work
revisit such decisions based on the available technical options
improve communication with developers, so "easy win" alternatives can be suggested during such discussions
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-02-07 Thread gh87

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The en.WP discussion (diff) is closed as populating "magic words" with blanks to be filled manually or by bot and no descriptions.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184000EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: gh87Cc: gh87, Tgr, JKatzWMF, TheDJ, daniel, Bmueller, Addshore, Lydia_Pintscher, Samwilson, Aklapper, DannyH, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, JJMC89, B20180, Nakon, MusikAnimal, Niharika, Fhocutt, Wikidata-bugs, bearND, aude, Ricordisamoa, -jem-, Mbch331, Krenair___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-01-25 Thread daniel

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We're still talking about when that switch will happen -- the current plan is to switch when there are non-blank descriptions on 2 million article pages. That might happen quickly, or it might take a long time, depending on how the community chooses to use the magic word.

We are encouraging data duplication now? That seems like a bad idea.

This ticket doesn't say how it is motivated. My understanding is that it's about Wikipedia editors wanting more control over the data, to prevent vandalism. To allow this, I'd propose the following:

expose the short description (and perhaps also the label) on desktop page views. This is trivial enough, the only question is where to show it.
to do that, the description (and labels) need to be recorded in the ParserOutput. This can be done by hooking into the parsing process. If the magic word is present, record the description from that. If not, pull the description from wikidata, and record that, and track that usage via wikidata usage tracking.

This way, changes to the descriptions will show up on recentchanges/watchlists, so the community can patrol them. They also become visible to desktop users, so vandalism can be detected. And it's still possible to override the description from wikidata, if desired.

I think this would provide the community with the necessary tools to have control of the content, without the need of duplicating millions of descriptions just so edits show up in watchlists.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-01-23 Thread DannyH

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@Addshore, you're suggesting I think six different tickets and projects
spinning out of this request. As a solution to the current problem, I don't
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-01-23 Thread Addshore

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Thanks @TheDJ for summarizing many of the points in the RFC above. I'm going into this blank, and just want to add my thoughts once, and try to avoid any repeat discussion that may have already come up in the RFC. I feel that many issues have been identified, but this ticket isn't really addressing the underlying issue, rather making a quick fix that in the long term will just end up biting back.
Also I recognize that the issue of these descriptions being exposed via mobile and not being visible on wikipedia desktop, or in the controll of the enwiki community in any way was raised a year ago (or something like that) and the feature was half switched off, but this didn't really solve the issues identified back then. By not resolving that RFC properly / doing move investigation into the initial request we have ended up with this ticket.

One of the issues seems to be that the mobile apps surface data to users that is not displayed on the wikipedias in desktop. This leads to vandalism being missed, users don't see the data when they just flip to an article on enwiki, and the watchlist process as said can be delayed leading to changes dropping off the watchlist or only being added to the watchlist after a 'large' period of time (generally 2.5-5 mins, but can be greater).
This could be solved by simply displaying the en description, as is done on mobile, also on the desktop experience, this could live next to or under the title (for example).

The issue raised regarding the watchlist and items only being added when they have already fallen off the end could be solved by entries being sorted differently, perhaps sorted by the time that they are added to the watchlist or dispatched to the wiki rather than the time that change actually happened. This might be worth opening a ticket about.

One of the next issues is the control of the data, particularly protection of data. We have the situation where an enwiki admin can protect a page due to vandalism, yet the description is then still editable through the mobile app. enwiki admins have no control of over when the wikidata description is editable. A simple solution would be to have the mobile apps check the protection state of the enwiki article before allowing an edit to the description (I guess this is already done for the article itself).
I have not been following the research that the wikidata team has been doing regarding client editing, but it could make sense for edits to wikidata data from for example enwiki to come through the enwiki API. Wikidata / wikibase repo api modules could all be surfaced on client wikis. This could allow for the protection issue to be addressed further, editing a description via wbsetdescription would first check the enwiki protection for the page linked to the item, before doing some sort of internal call to the wikidata api, where the wikidata checks would also take place. This could also potentially allow control of wikidata editing via abusefilter etc on the client side.

The case of wanting to override the descriptions provided by wikidata still stands.
Rather than the description being fetched from wikidata through the apps and the editing of descriptions happening there this should / could happen on the client wiki via an api.
The API would fetch the description from wikidata / the local override location. An a configurable editing api could also be created, with options such as, edit on wikidata, edit on a local override (somewhere) and different communities can allow different levels on wikidata interaction.

The location of the override on the wiki could be anything, it could be a subpage of the article with some fancy code? It could be a magic word on the page, in the world of MCR it could also be its own content.

Overrides on wikis can be reconciled where possible by the wikidata community, improving the wikidata data, in cases where the override description is deemed an improvement, wikidata can be updated, and the override could be (optionally) removed.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-01-21 Thread TheDJ

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In T184000#3915961, @Addshore wrote:
A way to override descriptions, in a similar way to i18n messages can be overridden, could make sense.
 The description seems to go above and beyond that though.


Correct. The English Wikipedia community doesn't want that Wikidata to manage this data, where they have no control over it
I'm going to mention some of the reasons but I suggest we don't discuss them too much, as this is volatile topic that will just distract everyone.


Wikidata has no effective vandalism control
Wikidata changes often doesn't show on watchlists  (delayed) or does so cryptically P# Q##
Wikidata doesn't use references for descriptions
protected articles can be vandalized via wikidata
wikidata descriptions are not visible on desktop and are thus their quality is not easily observable there
mixing wikidata and wikipedia is confusing for readers
'i don't understand/want to use wikidata', but you are forcing me to use it
Something like "Wikimedia disambiguation page" is not a useful description on Wikipedia


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-01-21 Thread Addshore

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want to retain short descriptions

A way to override descriptions, in a similar way to i18n messages can be overridden, could make sense.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-01-21 Thread TheDJ

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@Addshore It's what the subset of the community that screams the loudest wants. :)

As you might know, the English wikipedia is really close to an all out, Daily Mail-like, ban of WikiData. As most developers and a considerable set of users want to retain short descriptions, this seems like the only viable way forward.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T184000: Magic word on English WP to override display of Wikidata short description

2018-01-21 Thread Addshore

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Once this override is live, Wikipedia editors will populate the magic word on pages where they want to override the description. If/when they write enough descriptions that it's roughly comparable to the number of existing Wikidata descriptions, we will change the system again, to only pull from the Wikipedia descriptions, and not use the descriptions on Wikidata as the default/fallback.

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