[Wikidata-l] Creating an item from another item

2013-05-21 Thread David Cuenca
Hi there! Now we have properties that require a datatype item. In terms of interface interaction I miss the option to create an item from that field, a create item button that would add the missing entry, and let adding properties to it. It is similar to the case of adding qualifiers to an item.

[Wikidata-l] Content card prototype

2013-06-02 Thread David Cuenca
Based on all feedback gathered during the RfC about a possible inter-project links interface [1], User:Tpt has created a content card prototype (image: [2]) To activate it, follow these steps: 1. Go to your common.js file. For a user named Test in English Wikipedia, it would be:

[Wikidata-l] Proposed guidelines for sourcing statements

2013-06-02 Thread David Cuenca
Hi! After almost 2 months of deliberations, we are aiming to close the RfC on References and Sources on June 15. The result of the discussions has been condensed into the proposed Guidelines for sourcing staments.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Proposed guidelines for sourcing statements

2013-06-03 Thread David Cuenca
2013 00:14, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! After almost 2 months of deliberations, we are aiming to close the RfC on References and Sources on June 15. The result of the discussions has been condensed into the proposed Guidelines for sourcing staments. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki

[Wikidata-l] Proposed tools for sources

2013-06-06 Thread David Cuenca
Hi! To celebrate that Wikidata has received a fairly-sized donation (more Wikidata, yay!), I would like to share with you some ideas about sources for statements. The first one, proposed by TomT0m, addresses the problem of linking one source to several statements. It could be a two column layout

[Wikidata-l] Blog post about sources in Wikidata, content card for Wikipedia, and Wikisource User Group

2013-06-11 Thread David Cuenca
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/11/update-wikisource-vision-may/ ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[Wikidata-l] Is an ecosystem of Wikidatas possible?

2013-06-11 Thread David Cuenca
While on the Hackathon I had the opportunity to talk with some people from sister projects about how they view Wikidata and the relationship it should have to sister projects. Probably you are already familiar with the views because they have been presented already several times. The hopes are

[Wikidata-l] Representing Wikidata at LODLAM Summit 2013

2013-06-19 Thread David Cuenca
Hi there! I am right now at the LODLAM Summit in Montreal and there was a wish to get Wikidata information, so I improvised a short talk (6th column of the 13:30-14:30 slot) http://summit2013.lodlam.net/files/2013/06/BNIm-WPCEAE5b1N.jpg-large.jpeg There were people from several national

Re: [Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

2013-06-19 Thread David Cuenca
Hi Denny, Thank you very much for this fantastic update about the intentions of supporting a semantic dictionary in Wikidata :) Just a minor correction: I think instead of word, it should be expression because some languages don't follow the same logic. On the other hand, do you think it would

[Wikidata-l] Impressions from LODLAM 2013

2013-06-20 Thread David Cuenca
I'm just back from the LODLAM summit in Montreal, Canada and here there is a short report. ==About LODLAM and why I was there== LODLAM (http://lodlam.net) is a gathering of people interested in LOD (linked open data) and LAM (Libraries, Archives, and Museums), so I thought it would be interesting

Re: [Wikidata-l] Some Wiktionary data in Wikidata

2013-06-21 Thread David Cuenca
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: For literature grade translations, that is, for a true dictionary, I believe that you need to full range of nuances attached to each word and each word sense, which is distinct from the platonic concepts

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is an ecosystem of Wikidatas possible?

2013-06-22 Thread David Cuenca
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: [...] do you think there is a need for this file to have its own F status in WikiData? Yes. The reason to have file entities is mainly to have a platform that can store semantic descriptions of a file. For text searches in

Re: [Wikidata-l] Proposal for media meta data on Wikimedia Commons

2013-06-25 Thread David Cuenca
appreciated: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Micru/Wikisource_across_projects Cheers, David Cuenca On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can be useful for Wikimedia

[Wikidata-l] Sources in Wikidata, new RfC

2013-06-26 Thread David Cuenca
Hi all, The Guidelines for sourcing statements [1] had a 72% support. There are still two issues that were raised during the discussion that need to be addressed: - Sources used in Wikipedia (templates cite doi cite book, etc): should they be stored in Wikidata to be shared across all Wikipedias?

[Wikidata-l] Alternative proposal for Wiktionary

2013-07-01 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, A colleague and me, we have prepared an alternative proposal for Wiktionary support on Wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary_%28alternative_proposal%29 It tries to address several problems that the former proposal had (see comments page of the precedent proposal).

Re: [Wikidata-l] A personal note, and a secret

2013-07-14 Thread David Cuenca
Hi Denny, Sad that the open source world could not keep you fully, but we must be very happy for the time we had you pushing Wikidata to become better and better. Hopefully Wikidata will become a central data hub and the neutral ground where Google and other companies can contribute to the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Multi-storey signatures (was: personal secret)

2013-07-14 Thread David Cuenca
Now that you are at it, I would like to mention that to paste links to the same project in all threads is borderline spam. Now that everyone has heard about Scott's project, I hope the amout of messages about it can be reduced Micru On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikidata-l] A short hello

2013-07-16 Thread David Cuenca
Hi Saskia, If you need any clarification about the Wiktionary alternative proposal just reach us. I'll be around next weeks and Francis should be done with his PhD this week (also in computational linguistics). Welcome to Wikidata and good luck with your appraisal :-) Micru On Tue, Jul 16,

[Wikidata-l] Importing data from external websites

2013-07-23 Thread David Cuenca
I would recommend to buffer the raw data in some external service like http://datahub.io/ , that way the extracted data can be used for other purposes too and some version control can be kept. For the data extraction mechanism you could take some ideas from the DBpedia extraction framework

[Wikidata-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-08 Thread David Cuenca
wiktionar...@lists.wikimedia.orgHi, If there is someone in Wikimania interested in participating in the talks about the future support of Wiktionary in Wikidata, we will having a discussion about the several proposals. http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_of_Wiktionary_in_Wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikimedia-l] Meeting about the support of Wiktionary in Wikidata

2013-08-10 Thread David Cuenca
To add up a couple of comments to what Denny said, from my experience with Wikisource, reaching out to international, loosely connected communities is already a big challenge on its own. I would like to invite Wiktionary contributors to take a look to this Individual Engagement Grant project that

Re: [Wikidata-l] URL datatype needs testing

2013-08-23 Thread David Cuenca
I cannot see it on the new property data type list: http://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewProperty Only item, geocoord, time, string, file... On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Lydia Pintscher

[Wikidata-l] DNB 11M bibliographic records as CC0

2013-08-26 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, Maybe this is interesting as an import source for bibliographic info http://blogs.ifla.org/bibliography/2013/08/06/german-national-library-offers-over-11-million-marc21-records-under-cc0-open-license/ Cheers, Micru ___ Wikidata-l mailing list

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikisource-l] DNB 11M bibliographic records as CC0

2013-08-26 Thread David Cuenca
If the problem is to automate bibliographic data importing, a solution is what you propose, to import everything. Another one is to have an import tool to automatically import the data for the item that needs it. In WP they do that, there is a tool to import book/journal info by ISBN/doi. The same

Re: [Wikidata-l] Open tabular data

2013-08-27 Thread David Cuenca
Hi Dario, Thanks for sharing this proposal. As posted in the talk page, I believe that it would be a great opportunity to partner with dedicated organizations like Datahub [1] (OKFN/CKAN). Wikidata could also play an important role in semantically describing how to interpret the information, for

[Wikidata-l] Proposed change to the inclusion synthax

2013-10-20 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, I would like to know your opinion about having the value in the #property parser function. Right now we have two options: {{#property:P36}} {{#property:capital}} The problem with this model is that editors in wikipedia cannot see the value unless they render the page (or possibly use the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Proposed change to the inclusion synthax

2013-10-20 Thread David Cuenca
...@gmail.com wrote: Il 20/10/2013 20:30, David Cuenca ha scritto: Hi, I would like to know your opinion about having the value in the #property parser function. Right now we have two options: {{#property:P36}} {{#property:capital}} The problem with this model is that editors in wikipedia

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-02 Thread David Cuenca
Excellent news! :) For the author pages it is quite straight-forward. For the bibliographic metadata the easiest would be to connect wikidata items with the Book: page generated by the (planned) Book Manager extension. The Book: page is supposed to provide the book structure and act as a metadata

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-04 Thread David Cuenca
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.dewrote: Am 04.11.2013 16:10, schrieb Amir Ladsgroup: If you're using statement instead of site link who we can trace item from article of wikisource to wikidata This will very soon be possible with queries. Actually

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.dewrote: However, MediaWiki only supports one link per target site in the sidebar. Maybe an on-page navigation box could be used instead of proper language links? With the help of JavaScript, the contents of that nav

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.dewrote: MediaWiki used to handle this inconsistently: multiple links for the same language where shown in the sidebar, but not recorded in the database. This inconsistency was fixed a few months ago - now, only one link

Re: [Wikidata-l] next sister project: Wikisource

2013-11-08 Thread David Cuenca
The sitelinks are not used directly, they are aggregated by using the work item as a central hub. Basically the algorithm is: 1.- query all edition-items that are connected to the same work-item using edition of 2.- make a list of all the sitelinks used on each one of these edition-items (1

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings published under CC0

2013-11-12 Thread David Cuenca
Hi Denny, I asked again about this property because there were some concerns when it was created. From the comments I infer that the general ethos is not against, but not thrilled either: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Freebase-Wikidata_mappings I share the feeling, I don't

[Wikidata-l] Question about progressive loading

2014-02-25 Thread David Cuenca
While reading this [1] and observing how other website load large pages without freezing my computer, I was just wondering why progressive loading of items was not an option for Wikidata. Is it too difficult to implement? Or impossible with mediawiki? Or just undesirable for some other reasons?

Re: [Wikidata-l] Question about progressive loading

2014-02-25 Thread David Cuenca
for big items). Cheers, Micru On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:55 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: While reading this [1] and observing how other website load large pages without freezing my computer, I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries - can they be stored as statements in Category/List items?

2014-03-06 Thread David Cuenca
/Category:Books_by_Jean-Paul_Sartre [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_by_J._R._R._Tolkien [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_by_David_Foster_Wallace [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_Presidents On Thu Mar 06 2014 at 1:49:54 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: The point I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries - can they be stored as statements in Category/List items?

2014-03-07 Thread David Cuenca
should it be different from what it displays today? Do you want the item pages to have the feature to directly embed query results, instead of having a one-click distance to the actual query page and its results? Or is there more to it? On Thu Mar 06 2014 at 3:10:44 PM, David Cuenca dacu

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries - can they be stored as statements in Category/List items?

2014-03-08 Thread David Cuenca
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote: I still disagree - let me explain why. I think that trying to express a query definition into a single statement is very hard. Having a specific Query namespace allows us to create a completely new UI for them, allows

Re: [Wikidata-l] rank related changes

2014-03-10 Thread David Cuenca
will truly replace Omegawiki. Thanks, GerardM [1] A defective https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defective or inadequatehttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/inadequateitem. On 10 March 2014 14:03, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-11 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that it makes sense that one of the first things to do when creating a new wikipedia article should be to create an infobox which is automagically linked to the creation of a wikidata item. There are a number

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: I'm not sugegsting that we make people enter even more information in Wikipedia; I'm suggesting that wikidata would benefit from capturing the data that is /already/ being entered into Wikipedia, not least via AfC,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: What does this have to do with AfC? Indeed, nowhere in your post do you mention AfC, once. Because there is no difference between creating an article through enwiki-AfC or creating an article on any of the other

[Wikidata-l] New RFC: Organizing statements, sitelinks, and external identifiers

2014-03-13 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, I have started a Request for Comments on how to organize statements, sitelinks, and external identifiers. Hopefully the feedback gathered can help with the UI redesign. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Organizing_statements,_sitelinks,_and_external_identifiers

[Wikidata-l] Interaction of VisualEditor with Wikidata

2014-03-17 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, I have started writing some thoughts about a possible interaction between VE and WD. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Micru/Interaction_of_VisualEditor_with_Wikidata I assumed the following requirements: - link/unlink any template field to WD from VE - edit WD data from VE There are so

Re: [Wikidata-l] [cultural-partners] Wikidata and GLAM

2014-03-19 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: P.S. I have just proposed an accession number property for Wikidata, which may also be of interest: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Unsorted#Accession_number I don't think it is

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: A similar thing can be considered for streets and stuff as well. Obviously it needs a lot of thought but from an abstract point of view, a street or an image, it is just another category of data. When it works for

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: I think wikidata has the potential to tie it all together. There is no need to split the information over 2 databases. It depends on how much granularity you want. If you want to use just well-known entities, then for sure,

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Given that we want to collaborate with openstreetmap we could host it for them I like the idea of a Wikibase-powered OSM data repository, it is a pity that the WM Incubator is only for language versions of

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@gmail.comwrote: An independent project will require a lot of MediaWiki related knowledge that is not necessarily found in an initial group of interested individuals. Or combined OSM, MediaWiki Wikidata knowledge, which may be even

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Using property P402 is not a very good idea since object ids in OSM aren't guaranteed to be stable. nodes, ways and relations each have their own 'namespace' and sometimes information is refined by moving it from a node to a way or

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread David Cuenca
Well, that is one part of the problem, which could be addressed in Wikidata with a property official name with the datatype mono- or multi-lingual string (plannedhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Multi-lingual_text_datatype_.28optional.29, but not available yet) plus the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikibase/ Wikidata for structuring biodiversity knowledge

2014-04-24 Thread David Cuenca
Hi Daniel, Interesting report, about WD tagging I would also mention Denny's qLabel: http://google-opensource.blogspot.de/2014/04/qlabel-multilingual-content-without.html Regarding cost-efficient tagging options, there are automated tagging/entity extraction methods like DBpedia Spotlight, which

Re: [Wikidata-l] Bot request: 250+ thousands person data

2014-04-27 Thread David Cuenca
it for a group of people https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fratelli_Wright On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:51 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: @Nemo, Apper: Do you think you could import that data into the wd-repo AND make use of it via an inclusion template? In the past there was some

Re: [Wikidata-l] Bot request: 250+ thousands person data

2014-04-28 Thread David Cuenca
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.comwrote: I recalled the fact quite correctly: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo:Bio takes dates of birth and death from Wikidata. I think we can talk to extend the possibility to gender, and later to other fields.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Bot request: 250+ thousands person data

2014-04-29 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: If you have something like between 1846 and 1855, you can use the before and after fields of the time value: time: +0001850-00-00T00:00:00Z, precision: 9, before: 4, after: 5 This means the

[Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-05 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, I'm having some cases where a work has been attributed to an author by a source, but the source itself says this attribution is dubious, or it is contesting a previous attributions as spurious. As I see it, the rank of the statement is not deprecated (in fact it is normal or even preferred),

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-05 Thread David Cuenca
just a question of picking one on Wikidata to keep the family aspect of the relationship (whichever it is) intact, and sooner or later one or the other will be chosen. It's a wiki after all. Jane 2014-05-05 11:24 GMT+02:00, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com: Hi, I'm having some cases

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Thomas Douillard thomas.douill...@gmail.com wrote: We could create a new qualifier like ''contradicted by'' or ''disputed by''. The sourcs are a problem though as we can source only the totality of a claim, not only a qualifier of this claim, so we would have

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-07 Thread David Cuenca
Property proposal started as: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic#statement_disputed_by I guess all additional parameters (page, chapter, etc) can go in the references section. We will be able to say things like: birthfollowed bybaptism ---time span until next event

[Wikidata-l] A project to look forward to

2014-05-14 Thread David Cuenca
http://www.slideshare.net/petermurrayrust/the-content-mine-presented-at-uksg ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[Wikidata-l] Request for comments: How to deal with open datasets?

2014-05-15 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, During the Zürich Hackathon I met several people that looked for solutions about how to integrate external open datasets into our projects (mainly Wikipedia, Wikidata). Since Wikidata is not the right tool to manage them (reasons explained in the RFC as discussed during the Wikidata session),

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Request for comments: How to deal with open datasets?

2014-05-15 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the pointer, How can I put this open data on Wikidata is a question that I have been asked many times, this page was needed. Thanks for your comment! On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Samuel Klein

Re: [Wikidata-l] Weekyl summary #110

2014-05-25 Thread David Cuenca
John, I appreciate that you prepare these summaries so diligently. If you wouldn't do it I would miss so many important things. Thank you! Cheers, Micru On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 6:31 PM, John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, Here is the latest weekly summary

Re: [Wikidata-l] Tables

2014-05-27 Thread David Cuenca
Please, leave your comments here too: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_datasets I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. Thanks, Micru On Tue, May 27, 2014

Re: [Wikidata-l] Subclass of/instance of

2014-05-27 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: I applaud your comparison of inferencing with a form of decompression. I think this is a nice intuition (in fact, some people have researched semantic compression where one tries to reduce the size of a

[Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-28 Thread David Cuenca
Since the very beginning I have kept myself busy with properties, thinking about which ones fit, which ones are missing to better describe reality, how integrate into the ones that we have. The thing is that the more I work with them, the less difference I see with normal items and if soon

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-28 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: More fundamentally, they are semantically different: an item describes a concept in the real world, while a property is a structural component used for such a description. As I perceive it, a property is a

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-28 Thread David Cuenca
items for reasons of maintenance. Best regards, Markus On 28/05/14 09:25, David Cuenca wrote: Since the very beginning I have kept myself busy with properties, thinking about which ones fit, which ones are missing to better describe reality, how integrate into the ones that we have

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-28 Thread David Cuenca
. Cheers, Markus On 28/05/14 12:14, David Cuenca wrote: Markus, The explanation about the implications of renaming/deleting makes most sense and just that justifies already the separation in two. It is equally true that when we create a property, we might have cleaned the original concept

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-28 Thread David Cuenca
Markus, I share your dissatisfaction with part of because that language construct hides many different conceptual relationships that should be cleared out, I think we'll have some community discussion work to do in that regard. One of the uses is: what is the relationship between a human and his

Re: [Wikidata-l] Using external vocabularies (like RDA) in WikiData ?

2014-05-28 Thread David Cuenca
Hello Jean-Baptiste and welcome! regarding the bibliographic aspects of your question, I have to mention that we have a page where we collect and discuss these properties https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Books_task_force As you can see, we already use the FRBR model and we were considering

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-28 Thread David Cuenca
Markus, On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: This is an easy question once you have been clear about what human behaviour is. According to enwiki, it is a range of behaviours *exhibited by* humans. Settled :) Let's leave it at defined as a

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-30 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: One other issue to bear in mind: it's *simple* to have properties as a separate thing. I have been following this discussion with some interest but... well, I don't think I'm particularly stupid, but most of it is

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of properties?

2014-05-30 Thread David Cuenca
And to summarize the answer of the original question to future readers. The point of properties is: a) to help humans to better understand Wikidata b) to help programmers (also humans :P) build the software running it c) to make a distinction between concepts found in the world and the concepts

[Wikidata-l] Item metadata

2014-06-03 Thread David Cuenca
Continuing with the discussion of last week about the nature of properties I follow with my personal crusade to foster a better understanding of Wikidata (which sometimes means asking difficult questions :)). This time I ask about items, or concepts for that matter. To start with I cherry-pick a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Item metadata

2014-06-04 Thread David Cuenca
In order to clarify my previous email I have prepared this functional taxonomy of the elements that in my opinion form an item: Meta + Labels -- Multilingual main label (no sources, no qualifiers) -- Multilingual alternative labels (no sources, no qualifiers) -- Multilingual historic/alternative

Re: [Wikidata-l] Item metadata

2014-06-04 Thread David Cuenca
can cope with at this time. It makes sense to first be able to include lexical items because what you are getting into is firmly in that area. Thanks, GerardM On 3 June 2014 20:30, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Continuing with the discussion of last week about the nature

Re: [Wikidata-l] Item metadata

2014-06-05 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: Note that 'historic name' is not among these. Historic name is just an official name (or one of the other name types) with an 'end date' qualifier. These names are, I believe, worth putting in statements so we can

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of labels?

2014-06-06 Thread David Cuenca
, Jun 5, 2014 at 4:28 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: When I drafted the functional structure that is appearing on items [1], Gerard pointed out that it is drifting into the lexical area. That made me think that while useful to have lexical data as an independent item as we discussed

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of labels?

2014-06-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: SKOS is a good fit for Wikidata data items. For modeling Wiktionary, LEMON fits a lot better http://lemon-model.net/. Could you please elaborate on how to share the label between q items and the future lexical

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of labels?

2014-06-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: The software shouldn't know about special properties. A bot could know about them, and automatically add aliases. Labels and aliases are acting as special properties, just that we cannot decide which property

Re: [Wikidata-l] What is the point of labels?

2014-06-06 Thread David Cuenca
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: It's really too early to make all these decisions. We're still at least a year away from any significant progress towards Wiktionary unless anything changes. Until then we will have learned a lot more and a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-10 Thread David Cuenca
I think we should drop part of and start using a better mereological system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mereology#Various_systems http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mereology/image1.png Cheers, Micru On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: Even where

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-10 Thread David Cuenca
. It will just alienate them. Part of is something that is understood. There may be academic reasons that make sense to the people who care about them. The question I think we should take serious is if that is really where we want to go. Thanks, GerardM On 10 June 2014 20:21, David

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata query feature: status and plans

2014-06-11 Thread David Cuenca
, this can be indicated with a qualifier. In this way it is is a settlement and the rest can be deduced. Having specific types of settlements for countries is imho not necessary in this way. Thanks, GerardM On 10 June 2014 22:14, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gerard, I think

[Wikidata-l] RFC about part of

2014-06-14 Thread David Cuenca
This RFC was pending after several discussions. How to clarify the property part of? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Refining_%22part_of%22 Cheers, Micru ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] first draft for new user interface design

2014-06-16 Thread David Cuenca
Considering how hard is to please everyone I think it is a good start. The color scheme is much better than the omg-this-is-so-depressing grey that we have right now. And the picture plus the boxes look like they have the right size. I'm not so sure about the statements size, but if they can be

Re: [Wikidata-l] first draft for new user interface design

2014-06-17 Thread David Cuenca
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: I really don't want us to add this additional complexity at this point. We're trying really hard to make editing friendlier and easier to understand. I think this would go in the opposite direction. Not

[Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, Will the monolngual text datatype support old languages? There are settlements that had an official name in a now dead language. Besides of no language, will there be an option to mark such names as custom and use the qualifier language (p407) instead? Thanks, Micru

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread David Cuenca
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: This is correct. However, there will be no custom option: the set of languages supported by wikidata is a well-defined list, controlled by the configuration of the site. It's basically the list of languages

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread David Cuenca
PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hey :) On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: What about constructed or invented languages? A list will work for most cases but there always will be edge cases and adding them to the list will be too

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata just got 10 times easier to use

2014-07-01 Thread David Cuenca
I noticed that sometimes it is a bit sluggish when showing the suggestions, maybe it is my network, no idea. And it would be nice if it could suggest the three basic properties (instance of, sublcass of, part of) when the item is empty and suggest further properties based on that initial value,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata just got 10 times easier to use

2014-07-01 Thread David Cuenca
Markus, could your algorithm work together with human direction? Like, if we entered which properties are common for a class, and then a user creates an instance of that class, would the algorithm be able to sort those properties based on how often they appear on the database? Thanks, Micru On

Re: [Wikidata-l] New initiative to promote friendliness

2014-07-25 Thread David Cuenca
, David Cuenca wrote: Worried about the harshness that lately has been developing, I have started a new initiative to counter that by promoting more dialogue, civility, and friendliness https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Shelter When you are with friends you don't need to put any rule

Re: [Wikidata-l] New initiative to promote friendliness

2014-07-29 Thread David Cuenca
, 2014 at 9:46 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly! That's the spirit, it is much better to cement openess and tolerance while they are there :) And just by setting up that page we'll have a place to chill out :) Thanks Micru On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Markus Krötzsch

[Wikidata-l] Great editor for Wikipedia infoboxes/templates connected to Wikidata

2014-08-09 Thread David Cuenca
User:Vlsergey from ruwiki presented yesterday at the Wikidata Meetup a new wonderful infobox editor for Wikipedia infoboxes: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Edit_directly_from_infocard_.2F_infobox And also an improved authority template which you can see in action at Obama

Re: [Wikidata-l] {{Universal infocard}} in ruwiki, and cross-wiki coordination

2014-08-12 Thread David Cuenca
Actually you don't even need to specify which infobox because that can be automated using P1423 (infobox's main topic) and P1424 (topic's main infobox). For instance if an item has instance of:person, then you can check which infobox is connected to the item Q5 and use that infobox. These

Re: [Wikidata-l] integration of VisualEditor and Wikidata

2014-08-12 Thread David Cuenca
@Bene*: The WE-Framework already has an interface for dealing with statement ranks, have you tried the latest version? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:WE-Framework As for mapping Wikipedia templates to wikidata properties I think James F.

Re: [Wikidata-l] integration of VisualEditor and Wikidata

2014-08-13 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: I think it would be cool to use http://mappings.dbpedia.org/ - it already has mappings for hundreds of templates in different language versions to the dbpedia vocabulary. If we added a mapping for wikidata -

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata: CSV, Shapefile, etc.

2014-08-13 Thread David Cuenca
Yuri and others, I asked not long ago in Commons and there is no opposition as long as it is for supporting visualizations. It would require modifying what is allowed in commons, though. There are interesting comments on the talk page

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