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of life either? My big point at the end
of all that was that if several such bodies were given the chance to
grow and develop, surely one of them would succeed. If the answer is
in fact that *all* of them failed, that will be depressing.
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did start at one point, but it needs to be a group effort.
snip
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Surreptitiousness
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Carcharoth wrote:
What about the alternatives to the ACPD that were set up at the time?
Do any of them show any signs of life
- I looked around a bit for stuff on
Humanitas International but couldn't find that much)?
Founded by Joan Baez, apparently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Baez
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Is it possible to experiment to see which works best?
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books (we have a few of those).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Che_Guevara/Archive_index
How successful these approaches are, does need some looking at.
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trying to do the same?
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
snip
I created a journal article in the end. Not part of this experiment,
but my point below (which may have got lost), is valid, I think:
To try and bring this post back on-topic, I suppose my point is that
stub
Have you written that essay with this sort of advice in it yet? :-)
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:47 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:
The important part of salvage work is not keeping the articles, but
keeping the new contributors. This is done not just by refraining
from
What's the context here for Wikipedia?
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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/technology/internet/31google.html
Two Chinese writers’ groups claim that Google has scanned Chinese
works into an electronic database
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Carcharoth
carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
What's the context here for Wikipedia?
IMHO, the google books settlement, and all its twists and turns, has
big implications for us
-Noor is in fact still
alive in some alternate afterlife reality, I'm sure they really
couldn't care less about where it is now.
The alternate afterlife reality is contained *within* the Koh-I-Noor.
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the previous owner of the Koh-I-Noor is in fact still
alive in some alternate afterlife reality, I'm sure they really
couldn't care less about where it is now.
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
The alternate afterlife reality is contained *within* the Koh-I-Noor.
That's absurd
nagios?
ganglia?
4-CPU apache?
scap?
swap?
memcached node?
eyes glazing over
Is it fixed now? Oh, good. :-)
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
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From: Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org
Date: 2009/11/16
. Deletion
is a blunt tool sometimes used when editorial consideration and actual
editing can get better results instead.
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
or do you claim that we shouldn't
delete sub-stubs duplicating pre-existing articles?
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
If the title
the Wikipedia is still bang-on for 3.5 million articles.
As long as history doesn't come to an end, and new people keep getting
born and (annoyingly) becoming notable enough for a Wikipedia article,
there will always be a need for new articles.
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
stevertigo wrote:
Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
nagios?
ganglia?
4-CPU apache?
scap?
swap?
memcached node?
eyes glazing over
Is it fixed now? Oh, good. :-)
Off the top of my head...
Nagios
he did most of
his work at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodaikanal_Solar_Observatory
This article could do with expanding:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madras_Observatory
And this one could do with tidying up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colaba_Observatory
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appreciated, and I do
find it interesting, even if my original post in this thread and some
of the responses to it said or implied I didn't. I've just been
reading the Wikipedia articles on naglios and ganglia, and they do
help quite a bit in understanding things.
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, and who thinks that
they could be safely ignored, might do.
I nominate your post on Tottel's Miscellany... :-)
Is it really possible to have 57 different flavours of IAR? Actually,
I don't want to know the answer to that one!
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, grandson/daughter one
made me cringe. Even more than the Wikipedia Forever one. It seemed
to distract from the utility people have for Wikipedia right here and
now.
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. I was wrong.
Are you just looking to create somewhere where you'll finally be right?
Er, are you confusing Jake with someone else?
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to say en:wp... but that
would be too hidden from people working on other projects, so maybe on
Meta? And then people could leave comments there.
There is already a foundation mailing list. That, and others, are listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists
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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is that you misunderstood what he was saying, and then
harshly
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
A good way to overthrow a regime is to predict its downfall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy
Which regime and which prophecy are you referring to? Or was that just
a random thought?
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Newsnight.
I haven't had a call about Newsnight as yet - anyone got this one?
I missed all the news programs last night. Is there anything on the
iPlayer or elsewhere?
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sources are notable...
...since there's consensus that the [New York] Times is a notable source...
Doctorow (the author of the article) should have said *reliable*
sources, not notable sources.
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/11/wikipedia_on_the_wane.html
Some interesting comments have been posted to that blog.
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Carcharoth wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/11/wikipedia_on_the_wane.html
Some interesting comments have
to do. Maybe promote more of
the links to various projects such as disambiguation, wikilinking,
vandalism patrol, simple article clean-up, and so on. But don't throw
people in at the deep end and wonder why they are floundering.
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stopping at various central locations in Wikipedia.
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)]] as a featured article.
Mistagging for the project by a bot (maybe using geo-cord tags),
presumably because the film was (I'm guessing here) set in the
Antarctic, or the Antarctic is involved somehow.
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On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Carcharoth
carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote:
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com
wrote:
Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say
think.
There *are* photo request places on en-Wikipedia, last time I looked.
Let me look again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_pictures
That is a mixed system of topic pages of requests, and categories of
articles where photos have been requested.
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redirects I've created, but the
normal tools seem to ignore redirects. Anyone know how to list the
redirects you've created?
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On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM, altally altal...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote:
I've wanted to find out how many redirects I've created, but the
normal tools seem to ignore redirects. Anyone know how to list the
redirects
edit count is that? :-)
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There is a whole process now for requesting a main page featured
article slot. Mainly because we have more featured articles being
produced than there are available slots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/requests
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what sort
of activities you get involved in?
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featured article? Are there differences?
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On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the best namespace or place to make a proposal that en:wp have
a random *featured* article button?
As anyone who uses the random article link knows it often turns up
, such as featured portals, and featured topics. But the
current design is hard to get changed to include that sort of thing.
You either have to change the grid of four main areas, or introduce
rotation.
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Probably (without looking at the discussion) the same objections as
for photographer credits or an more information link next to
pictures. Or, even, the objections people raise to having featured
articles marked with a star.
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt
history? Doing something like this for
one of the larger and most-viewed articles on Wikipedia would be a
major undertaking.
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Amazing.
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On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Carcharoth
carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
What's the context here for Wikipedia?
IMHO, the google books settlement, and all its twists and turns, has
big implications for us
accounts, would be good, if someone can think of
some offhand.
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On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Pete Forsyth pfors...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Carcharoth, David, Fred:
Thanks for the feedback!
I had heard about the Heavy Metal umlaut article, but did not realize
because the name was taken) and Wikisource and
Meta, but nothing else. Just point me to a list of the meta WMF
wikis, if that would be easiest (i.e. the non-content orientated WMF
wikis).
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
Strategy and outreach wikis
done).
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Angus McLellan angusmclel...@gmail.com wrote:
It's strange the things you never really see until your bogosity alarm
goes off.
I only registered that we give an image credit for the featured
picture on the main page because of the author name
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
wrote:
For restorers, I would say that the image page
is where they should be named, but the image caption could maybe say:
restored by Wikipedia
in Wikipedia).
In other words, there is a tension between WP:BITE and the combination
of WP:SPA and WP:DISRUPT.
Controversial articles are the worst place for new editors to start.
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http://usability.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPagesfrom=to=namespace=6
Any particularly good ones there?
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if Charles means templates to wikisource, templates to other online
stuff, or templates producing a formatted reference to a book).
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It seems a settlement has been reached between Google Books and those
taking action against it. Anyone here know what this means in terms of
what we do and how we use Google Books?
http://books.google.com/googlebooks/agreement/
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On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
wrote:
It seems a settlement has been reached between Google Books and those
taking action against it. Anyone here know what this means in terms
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2010/01/public_data_free_at_last.html
Looks interesting. Are there tie-ups with Wikipedia or Wikimedia applications?
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I *think* Mike Peel reads this list. I was about to do something else,
so maybe someone else could point this out to them? They probably know
already, but it wouldn't hurt to ask (I'm just not going to do it
right now).
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com
for a while, it tends to be
easier to establish notability and find sources (they are also less
litigious). Let not mix up the term BLP with the broader term
biography.
/pedantry
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that is lacking a
lot is Google News - a lots of old newspapers still seem to need to be
searched on separate databases. What is the best database out there
for searching in old newspapers?
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote:
Can anybody explain what PWD is?
Pure Wiki Deletion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pure_wiki_deletion_system
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it doesn't.
Depends on the workflow and the nature of the work.
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they work for, or a conference biography, or some form of press
release) is found and used as a reference.
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Carcharoth
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And no-one has yet created a redirect?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Corell
PS. I forgot. Bob Corell gets a lot of hits as well, and should be a
redirect also.
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
But this
feeds into my point about whether such articles should be brought to a
minimum standard, instead of roughly referenced along with a lot of
others ones being worked
Oh, I will, just not right now. Wrong computer.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:09 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote:
Sometimes I don't understand people. Carcharoth goes to the trouble of
finding his birth date, learning he received the Brazilian Order of Merit,
and lists out some copy
biased can actually be rejected.
But about the timescale? What should be done with *any* backlog when
it builds up beyond the resources of the volunteer workforce to deal
with or to maintain existing articles?
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snip
I would say the MilHist B-class criteria would be a good minimum
standard).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment/B-Class
* B1. It is suitably referenced, and all
on both sides of the Channel, as was pointed out by someone
looking over my shoulder from frWP).
Fascinating. Didn't they have the same name and birth and death year?
You aren't going to make us guess which person this was, are you? I'm
guessing 16th century and Huguenot.
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The Cunctator wrote:
Sometimes I don't understand people. Carcharoth goes to the trouble of
finding his birth date, learning he received the Brazilian Order of Merit,
and lists out some copy errors
they (even as the subject) have no
permission to copy.
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But yeah, lots of stubby BLPs are bios...
That should have read copyvios.
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Appears to be the kml export tool by para?
Seem to be more options at this template:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:GeoGroupTemplate
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Hi all,
just toolspamming my latest...
I read
things easier for reusers, it would be good to know who they are
and what this kind of policy application protects them from, because
all it does is cause problems for us.
Possibly the reusers who stick images on T-shirts and mugs and sell them?
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they *really* know about an image and its
origins and provenance, rather than just guessing and being an
armchair copyright lawyer. If you can find out something definite
about an image, and source it, then that is good. Though what to do
with circa dates, I'm not sure.
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nuances so easily. And how on Earth do you
find out details of an artist called David Barker?
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content and free license or in the
public domain aspects do often conflict, but both aspects need to be
borne in mind when debating such cases.
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=Military_sciencediff=339309229oldid=337736730
[I'm not at the right computer at the moment, so hopefully someone
will fix that]
So is it as big a problem as it seems? What percentage of vandalism
doesn't get caught for days or weeks?
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The latest example is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Military_sciencediff=339309229oldid=337736730
[I'm not at the right
inappropriately...
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the vandalism
was not detected. Strange.
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if they don't like them? How do you implement major changes like this
without breaking parts of what currently exist?
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music) cases. You really
can't make much progress with those unless someone actually goes and
writes a book about it, or you know the other language (and I know no
Japanese at all).
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most people not considering the merge option and only opting for keep
or delete.
Admittedly, some articles aren't really suitable for merging.
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of level of debate I'd like to see at AfD. I wonder what a
closing admin would make of it... :-)
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of the other discussions there might interest you as well.
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PS. But (having had to find out something about swings) at least we have these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_%28seat%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_boarding
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The [[dwm]] deletion discussion has caught
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Oh yes, and what Carcharoth said about FLOSS history needing the
secondary sources: if they don't write
developed (and stalled) in
such different ways, and had a very different pattern of editing
volume and frequency? Is it purely down to the Chile earthquake
getting less news coverage?
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article at best, the separate articles approach has several
advantages, even if some content gets duplicated across several
articles.
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and discarded and reinvented over the years in an encyclopedia
anyone can edit - it is sometimes difficult for consistency to emerge.
I agree that something driven by reader choice would be good, but
still with editorial guidance.
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On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM, David Goodman dgoodma
aims are there - doing something for the love
of it and because you think the end product is something worthwhile.
That may feed into feelings of self-worth, but that is not the whole
story. There should still be room for simply altruism that is not
self-serving.
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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11
I would love to put some names to some of these clusters, but that
would be unwise! But as I was reading through this, some names did pop
into my head. :-)
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This is very interesting. Here is the abstract
.
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Killing our Culture?
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things while you are planning).
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On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Michael Ritchey
ritche...@familysearch.org wrote:
Is this an appropriate forum for opening a discussion on project best
practices? The articles and discussions I've found on Wikipedia so far are
really weak and general
/Wikipedia:Statistics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_statistics
Trouble is, that doesn't really do more than scratch the surface.
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will invariably tell you how good
a Wikipedia article is in terms of how comprehensive it is. And
further reading sections can point the way for future expansions of
the article, or for the reader to go and find out more about the
topic.
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are being filled in and hence how big the gaps are.
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