Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

Hi Aron, Some of your comments remind me of arguments that I heard from WMF around the time that the WMF Board decided to let Lila have her way with Superprotect. WMF's solution to various question about who should make decisions and whether diverse needs were being adequately addressed was to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

Hoi, Ah yes, I can read. In my mind when conferences are held on a particular subject and it is not clear what the subject is, "how can there be a solution or progress. It will be whatever people think it is and results will not be results, they are what happens anyway. Not knowing what your

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation External Audit and FAQ for fiscal year ending 30 June 2019

Dear All, As a follow up and in addition to our standard practice of documenting and publishing the Audit Committee meeting minutes [1] regarding the review and approval of the Wikimedia Foundation’s Independent Auditors’ Report by the Audit Committee - a board subcommittee, we want to inform you

[Wikimedia-l] Co sprawia, że jesteś szczęśliwy w tym tygodniu? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 Jan 2019)

From Clovermoss (Link to the 2019 Wiki Loves Monuments winning photograph that was taken by User:Marian Naworksi .) This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

Gerard, you can read about the previous events (which include answers about scope), at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Diversity_Conference On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:43 AM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > I am not interested when I do no have a clue about the scope > > > Op ma 20 jan. 2020

[Wikimedia-l] February 20 deadline for new Project Grant proposals

Hi everyone, The open call for the Wikimedia Foundation Project Grants program begins today, January 21, when we begin public review of new proposals. The final deadline is February 20th for all submissions. < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project>. Importantly, this will be the only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

Best practices for a good consensus are not political games. However dismissing the concerns of long term members of the community that the strategy references in every recommendation, by extremely obvious tone policing, is playing politics and marginalization. Thanks for referencing my Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:50, Fæ wrote: > The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any > firm community consensus rather than playing > political games to get around it. > Political games, like requesting supermajority

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic > in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most > neutral way. > The strong focus on voting is in itself, not neutral. Voting at this scale

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the bottom of the introduction page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations Core:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

Hi all I agree on that point. I suggest to the community to organize themselves to give a feedback and to contribute to have better and widely supported reccomandations but this process must progress. Everything can be improved and can be better but what is important is to keep this goal of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do you think it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

Hello Anders, Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most neutral way. Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live on the same planet. A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as I can see.  And I believe whatever we think of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want. Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it. An openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are accountable to us) to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

Hi Todd, On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:06 PM Todd Allen wrote: > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect > anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be > talking to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

Hello, We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going to let the communities vote on the recommendations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus Kind regards Ziko Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react this time). Best Yaroslav On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen wrote: > Katherine, > > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who invested in this process unimaginable hours of work. Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the recommendations? It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I find it slightly complicated