Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-30 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Amir, I think what you are questioning is right. And it is necessary to ask such questions. In my day job it is my duty to ask and discuss such questions with my customers. But, with the time I sort of see that these pure utilitarian questions are not the only questions that we need

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-30 Thread Ting Chen
I cannot see malicious intention behind the use of the bot. If you don't feel spoken to, just ignore it. Why is this a so huge problem? Greetings Ting Am 29.12.2017 um 10:20 schrieb John Erling Blad: Users on other projects are complaining about the welcome messages at arwiki. A bot at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Austin Hair is gone

2017-12-18 Thread Ting Chen
I am very shocked and deeply saddened. He is still very young. I believe he is 10 years or more younger than me. This is indeed a very sad loss. :'( Ting Am 18.12.2017 um 14:51 schrieb Asaf Bartov: Dear Wikimedians, I regret to have to inform this list that veteran Wikimedian and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, at first I would object that the Foundation do such a thing, even as a denkexperiment. This may be seen as an easy way to react on a crisis but this opens doors for misuse of power. In a different situation, a different time, with a different WMF board and ED, this can open a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board of the Wikimedia Foundation

2017-06-27 Thread Ting Chen
Hi, the Advisory Board, as it was, and so far I can see, as it probably will be, does not have something like a structure or a channel. It is more like a bunch of individuals that mostly the board, and in some cases the WMF staff may (or mostly) may not approach on specific topics. The board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Ting Chen
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses our principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Gnangarra, I joined AffCom in 2015, at that time the issue with Wikimedia Philippines was already on the table. The AffCom and the WMF had tried two years to get a settlement without a de-recognition with them. Meanwhile it is 2017, I don't believe Josh could resolve the problem in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, we try, and some times try very very hard to be nice and to protect other people. But the world is some times not nice and some times really really bad things happen. Just for the next time (and there will be next times coming), my suggestion for the WMF and also for other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Ting Chen
exclusively represents the WMF. Let there be trust and given the way things are it does not show when you analyse things. Thanks, GerardM On 5 February 2017 at 11:05, Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de> wrote: Hello Gerard, the chapters and thematic organizations are entrusted with c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

2017-02-05 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Gerard, the chapters and thematic organizations are entrusted with certain functions and authorities. For example a chapter enjoys regional (or country wide) exclusivity in their operating region. They are perceived in the public as if they are official representatives of our movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-04 Thread Ting Chen
Well spoken Mike. Greetings Ting Am 04.02.2017 um 15:58 schrieb Mike Godwin: I don't respond to Wikimedia-l discussion very often, but I think this debate comes up often enough that it's worth it for me to explain and elaborate on my own positions. (1) I understand WP:NPOV to be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ray Saintonge has died

2016-09-14 Thread Ting Chen
I feel very sad reading this news. He was always friendly and fair. Had always made me smile seeing him. Expecting to meet him on a Mania is just natural. Knowing will never see him there again is ... very strange. I will miss him, very very much Ting Am 13.09.2016 um 18:00 schrieb Milos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] With my thanks to everyone ...

2016-07-14 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Geoff, among many other things said already I think the most profound impact you made on the whole movement was the reformation of the trademark licensing policy and the introduction of legal assistance program. Both immensely important for the community Also your contribution and legal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome Delphine Ménard as WMF's Annual Plan Grants Program Officer

2016-06-21 Thread Ting Chen
Congratulations to both WMF and Delphine, this is a very good move. Just curious: Will Delphine and family now be moving to SF or will you be working from remote mostly? Greetings Ting Am 06/21/2016 um 12:55 AM schrieb Katy Love: Hi Wikimedians, Today WMF's Community Resources team is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fresh data on the gender gap in content

2016-06-17 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Asaf, hello Florence, the inbalance is surely partly due to the cultural bias (both contemprary as well as historical) of our world. Across the cultures in before 18th century women found less notice in the historical documentation. As far as I know about Japanese history, this bias was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-12 Thread Ting Chen
affecting an initiative include the very trustee who is (likely) the best informed and best placed to explain things to the other trustees? Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de> wrote: Hello Anthony, in my opinion a board member should not foster hi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-12 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Anthony, in my opinion a board member should not foster his or her own pet projects. The WMF board members are leading a global movement. When everyone of them are fosting their own pet projects other projects may suffer. The board members should be beyond the single projects and give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-19 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Erik, hello Gerard, hello all, while Erik raised a very important topic and I will go into some of the aspects I agree with him later in this mail I want at first say that Gerard also mentioned some very important points that I strongly agree. Splitting WMF has merits but also has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?

2015-01-05 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Sucheta, for me this looks like a good restart for Wikiversity. For me beside of providing university courses one of the target of Wikiversity is also always to be actually do crowd sourced research works. Best regards Ting Am 01/05/2015 um 02:30 PM schrieb Sucheta Ghoshal: Hi all,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up

2014-11-26 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, this is not a response to any specific mails on this thread, just a few thoughts from my side. I am not very heavily involved in the FDC process, what I did was, well, as one of the board member decided to create this process and one of the advisory group member observed the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Ting Chen
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much. Greetings Ting Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder: Hi folks, I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/ I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them

2014-08-23 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Fae, as far as I know there is no systematic data collection about volunteers by the WMF, anyway, there is non that is known by the board at my time, or ever mentioned on the board. In the first year when I joined the board I mentioned in a mail that it would be desirable for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Meeting Update

2014-08-08 Thread Ting Chen
Hello, sad to learn that Bishakha will leave the board. Bishakha joined our movement as an outsider and had gained the heart of our community in a very short time. She is one of the most admirable person I know and everytime I think of her I feel honored to have the chance to work with her.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you Sue Gardner

2014-06-02 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, one of the most memorable moment in my work together with Sue was one evening in October 2011. As some of you may remember that the years 2010 to 2012 were especially difficult years in relationship between the Foundation and the chapters. The Foundation experimented a few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

[Wikimedia-l] Funding of decentralized organizational structure

2014-04-10 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, now the second mail Funding of international operating organizations is a very complicated issue. The Wikimedia movement is not the first and not the last one to face this topic. There are as many models on how this can be handled as there are international organizations.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community consultation + Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director selection process

2014-01-29 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, hello Transition Team, hello dear board, I am still willing to take the challenge. Looking into the description of the search criteria: citeKey to the success of the Executive Director will be a commitment to understand and advance Wikimedia's core values./cite - In many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, I would like to be more cautious about the difference between the good paid editing and the bad paid advocacy. There are two reasons why I don't want to separate in this way. First of there is no clear boundary between the good and bad like black and white. There is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Ting Chen
:23, schrieb Peter Gervai: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Wikipedia articles. So they pay 10.000 Dollar to Bryce DeWitt (I know, he is dead, I just don't want to name any living people) to write about field theory, or John Wheeler to write about general

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Ting Chen
:23, schrieb Peter Gervai: On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Wikipedia articles. So they pay 10.000 Dollar to Bryce DeWitt (I know, he is dead, I just don't want to name any living people) to write about field theory, or John Wheeler to write about general

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Relationship between Wikimedia and oDesk

2014-01-08 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, I won't impose my standard to other people, I just want to tell you what is the standard I setup for myself, and I will also tell you why. I won't accept payment or gift exceeding a certain amount (means 20 Euro) or search for payment for my volunteer's work that is however

Re: [Wikimedia-l] images deletedfrom WikiCommons

2013-12-29 Thread Ting Chen
Great move WMIL. This is I think an excellent example of great chapter work. Greetings Ting Am 29.12.2013 06:19, schrieb Michal Lester: Hi, As some of you know, images are been deleted in the past month from WikiCommons due to a change in the ruling of the United States Supreme Court. (The

[Wikimedia-l] My vision for WMF and the movement

2013-10-09 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, the following was one of the documents I created for my ED application. It took me quite some time to create it and thus it was clear for me at the beginning that I would publish it at some time point. I struggled a long time with myself though about when to publish it. I

[Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

2013-06-03 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, I happened to worked with a few biology interwikis on WikiData today and saw the taxnomical data on it. Given that WikiData is growing and more potential would not it be a good idea to merge WikiSpecies data into WikiData and close WikiSpecies (hope now there will no stones or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, I would also like to ask everyone who has made their thoughts on the election to take part on the election committee themselves the next time. Unfortunately when I made the call for volunteer earlier this year not very many people responded. Greetings Ting Am 4/30/2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Ting Chen
to be volunteer in the committee. 2. I indeed thought about it only when I saw the centralnotice and read the voting requirement, I may needed to raise it before. But it's still doesn't mean we need to ignore from this issue Itzik On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Ting Chen
to be volunteer in the committee. 2. I indeed thought about it only when I saw the centralnotice and read the voting requirement, I may needed to raise it before. But it's still doesn't mean we need to ignore from this issue Itzik On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

2013-04-24 Thread Ting Chen
Oh yes, this would really be great. Just think about the money the Foundation gives out meanwhile for translation, plus the many many volunteers' work invested into translation. A free and open translation software is long overdue indeed. Great idea Erik. Greetings Ting Am 4/24/2013 8:29 AM,

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Resign due to COI and Application to the ED position

2013-04-22 Thread Ting Chen
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Resign due to COI and Application to the ED position Datum: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:45:31 +0200 Von:Ting Chen tc...@wikimedia.org An: Board list boar...@lists.wikimedia.org Dear board, after intensive consideration and some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Resign due to COI and Application to the ED position

2013-04-22 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, I would like to add a few comments to my resign letter here to clarify a few things that is related to possible conflict of interest. Sue informed the board about her intention to leave the Foundation before she informed the staff and the general public with her letter. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Armenia

2013-03-28 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear Armenian friends, it is a great joy for me to see this happen. Next time when I come to Yerevan we need to record the traditional dances :-) Greetings Ting Am 3/27/2013 9:26 PM, schrieb Bence Damokos: Dear all, I am happy to announce that the the WMF Board of Trustees have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-18 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, at first thank you very much MZ for put this together. This is a quite hot topic both for the board election, which is coming soon again, and also on the board. The following is my personal opinion why WMF should not build an endowment. The rationale from me are the

[Wikimedia-l] Reminder: Call for volunteers: Election Committee

2013-01-22 Thread Ting Chen
are interested in becoming a candidate, time to start preparing! Regards -- Ting Chen Member of the Board of Trustees Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: tc...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

[Wikimedia-l] Call for volunteers: Election Committee

2013-01-16 Thread Ting Chen
in becoming a candidate, time to start preparing! Regards -- Ting Chen Member of the Board of Trustees Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: tc...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Report to the board: WikiCon in Dornbirn, Austria

2012-09-09 Thread Ting Chen
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Report to the board: WikiCon in Dornbirn, Austria Datum: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 08:13:06 +0200 Von:Ting Chen tc...@wikimedia.org An: Board list boar...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello all, from August 31st to September 2nd the german

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Report to Board: Chinese Internet Research Conference

2012-05-29 Thread Ting Chen
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Report to Board: Chinese Internet Research Conference Datum: Sun, 27 May 2012 18:07:54 +0200 Von:Ting Chen tc...@wikimedia.org An: Board list boar...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello dear all, at Mai 21st and 22nd I attended the 10