Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread ENWP Pine
I think having a two part RfC with the first part discussing the minimum conditions the community would like VE to meet before having a discussion about more widely enabling VE in the second portion of the RfC makes sense. This raises the possibility that as VE becomes more and more functional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread Asaf Bartov
(META: I have to wonder why Wikimedia-l was chosen as the venue for this conversation. Visual Editor is deployed and working in quite a few of our projects, including very active ones and difficult ones such as the right-to-left Hebrew Wikipedia; this discussion, then, is very much about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread ENWP Pine
Asaf, I agree in some ways. ENWP's email list is a backwater though, and since the discussion that got me thinking about this issue started on this list it made sense to me to keep it on this list. Also, other wikis' experiences with VE are relevant. My personal experience with VE has most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There should not be separate standards for Commons and any Wikipedia is surely what you mean... Thanks, GerardM On 4 June 2014 22:17, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Asaf, I agree in some ways. ENWP's email list is a backwater though, and since the discussion that got me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread ENWP Pine
GerardM, Yes, if Asaf or someone else wanted to have a low-frequency discussion about VE on Hebrew Wikipedia or some other wiki on this list I think that would be ok too. IMO this is a high-traffic general-purpose list, but Asaf is right that taking discussions to a more specific place is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread Risker
On 3 June 2014 03:02, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Because VE has repeatedly been mentioned in this list as something that is improving and may help us with acquisition of editors and their knowledge, I have started to draft an RfC about re-enabling VE on English Wikipedia. I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread Risker
On 3 June 2014 09:05, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2014 03:02, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Because VE has repeatedly been mentioned in this list as something that is improving and may help us with acquisition of editors and their knowledge, I have started to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread Edward Saperia
Sounds like your suggestion would be a perfect contribution to some kind of community discussion to try and decide a framework to decide if or when we might want to re-deploy visual editor, much like Pine was suggesting in the first place :-) *Edward Saperia* Chief Coordinator Wikimania London

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread Risker
On 3 June 2014 12:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2014 16:37, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, further to what I've said aboveI think that before having an RFC, we should seek community assistance to carry out a small-scale study so that there is some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread Risker
Thanks Ed. The point I am trying to make is that the community can't make a good decision on this unless they understand the VisualEditor product as it exists today. I think pretty much everyone agrees it wasn't ready for default editing on 1 July 2013, but absent recent data most people would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 3 June 2014 08:02, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: I have started to draft an RfC about re-enabling VE on English Wikipedia URL? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-03 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hey Risker, Pine, David, all, On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2014 12:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2014 16:37, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, further to what I've said aboveI think that before having an